Last week, staffers for Barbara Boxer released information indicating that expected CA GOP candidate for governor and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman had heartily endorsed Boxer in 2003:
“Whitman contributed $4,000 to Boxer in the 2004 reelection campaign — and endorsed Boxer as a part of Technology Leaders for Boxer,” confirmed Boxer aide Rose Kapolczynski today.
And, she signed an “open letter” appealing for support from the California technology executives, touting Boxer as a “dynamic and courageous leader” on the tech front.
I understand that this is California, and that it’s going to be hard to find prominent candidates who haven’t said complimentary things about Democrats. And Whitman’s expected primary opponent certainly doesn’t have a particularly high perch from which to cast stones, having himself been a supporter of Al Gore’s recount efforts in 2000. But what ought to be disturbing to California voters is that Whitman seems to have had literally no interest in politics at all, not even enough to cast a vote, until her endorsement of (and donations to) Barbara Boxer in 2004.
The Whitman campaign spokescritter chalks this endorsement of one of the Senate’s most liberal members all up to Boxer’s opposition to internet sales tax. That might be enough to perhaps explain a small donation, or for someone running for the State assembly. It is not enough to explain a max donation and a hearty endorsement from someone running for a position as prominent as the Governor of California. Furthermore, the gubernatorial nominee will be campaigning simultaneously with either Chuck Devore or Carly Fiorina to unseat Boxer herself – how will that look when Boxer starts running commercials using Whitman’s words?
It all adds up to one conclusion: Meg Whitman is simply not ready or deserving of carrying the party’s banner for such a prominent race. Maybe in time she will be, but we shouldn’t run someone whose first involvement in politics was less than five years ago, and was in favor of one of the most liberal elected Democrats in the country.
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Whitman is a Liberal in disguise
scoot1965 Monday, October 5th at 10:50AM EST (link)She also had a lot of kind words for Van Jones. We don’t need people like this representing conservatives. She’s a fake.
She's in disguise?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:26AM EST (link)She’s pretty open about it. Poizner at least has some shame about his pro-abort position.
Endorsing and donating to the dumbest, most left-wing member of the Senate is a pretty open thing, too. Whitman’s a non-starter, much like the anti-marriage, pro-tax Campbell.
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NONE of The 3 CA GOP Gubernatorial Candidates Are "Ready for Primetime"
IJB Monday, October 5th at 11:42AM EST (link)Sure, I’d like a 4th choice.
Will I get one? Nope.
Thus, based on that, I’ll take the candidate with the most business experience, in the absence of any other important distinguishing factors.
As such, that’s still Whitman.
But, the truth is – *all* 3 CA GOP Gubernatorial candidates are horrible.
(And all 3 would *still* be better than Jerry Brown. Or [shudder!] Gavin Newsom…)
Why?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 12:16PM EST (link)We’re not looking for someone to run a business. We’re looking for someone to be a politician.
And besides, think of how our Senate nominee would do, if Boxer could start running ads of how our nominee for Governor endorsed her.
Then Moonbeam would start hitting her on not even bothering to vote her whole adult life.
Whitman would kill our chances in two races, not one.
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Neail...yoiu surprise me....you sound familiar for some reason...LOL
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:38PM EST (link)Dead on too….
I meant to add...ROCK ON MAN!!! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:41PM EST (link)Don't mistake this for an endorsement of Whitman...
noufa Monday, October 5th at 6:11PM EST (link)Does this really hurt? Being politically aloof isn’t really a negative in the idiocracy of CA.
And the Boxer association probably helps her campaign. She looks like a pragmatic centrist. Personally I think she comes off as craven & many on the hard-left agree with me. But those people are voting Boxer, anyway.
Democrats will attempt to smear her for her association with the “extreme” John McCain. Though the characterization of McCain as an extremist makes my eyes roll, the sad truth is that too many mainstream California voters would buy it. This inoculates her.
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Because I Reject The Idea That There's Any Meaningful Political Difference Among The Three CA GOP Candidates
IJB Monday, October 5th at 10:03PM EST (link)All 3 of them are what Ace would call RINOs. (I certainly consider all 3 RINOs.)
So if the policy differences among them are minuscule at best (and I truly believe they are), then the only differentiating factor among them are secondary characteristics like Executive experience.
If any of the 3 is likely to raise taxes, then at least give me the one that might do something on the administrative end that’ll make some tiny bit of difference.
Whitman doesn't represent Conservatives but...
GT350 Monday, October 5th at 11:58AM EST (link)…She’s the best we’re likely to get, here in California. She has good executive experience, and she’s not a hack from the CA political machine. Besides, two Republican governors in a row (even if they are RINO’s) will at least change people’s perceptions of what is / should be.
It’s either that, or have that incompetent boob Gavin Newsom leading gay weddings up & down the coast, while declaring California a sanctuary state for illegals.
Pick your battles.
Give me a break
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 12:14PM EST (link)Surely if you want to run a pro-abort, which is the implied thrust of your whole comment, surely you can find one who wouldn’t endorse a radical socialist moron like Boxer.
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AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:47PM EST (link)Whitman doesn't represent Republicans at all
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 12:17PM EST (link)Not just conservatives oppose Boxer.
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I'm sick of this attitude...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:46PM EST (link)this is why it’s impossible to come up with a credible arguement when we are trying to get someone to vote Republican or even vote at all when they say “it doesn’t matter…Republicans and Democrats are all the same”
I find my self in such situations stuttering and stammering trying to find a credible arguement to counter them and end up walking away clenching my fists because to say there is a difference is to be confronted with Crist, and Kirk, and Bush, and Snowe, and Collins, and on and on the list goes…
I forgot to add...now we can add Whitman and Fiorina to the list nt
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:48PM EST (link)Had it with bad choices
Vannek Monday, October 5th at 3:57PM EST (link)I’m sick to death of people telling me to suck it up and vote for some RINO or business leader because the choices won’t get any better. Two RINO governors will change people’s perceptions all right: they’ll learn that California Republicans are just Democrat-lite. If you agree with Democrat positions on abortion and the environment, yet want to appear strong on defense and pro-business, why not register as a Republican and run as one? I don’t think those are the kind of people we want to attract to the Party.
When Arnold ran after the Recall, he was touted as having executive, business experience. What did that get us? Having worked for the University of California for ten years and observed the budget and policy making processes close-up, business experience/skills count for very little in the political system. Being able to work within the political system requires a different set of skills. A Governor can’t fire an employee (legislator, civil service worker, etc.) because that person is an obstructionist or incompetent. A Governor can’t reorganize the State business, explode the boxes on the org chart, just to suit his/her theories of efficient operations. A Governor has to answer to many more stakeholders than a Board of Directors.
I had a bad feeling about Whitman when she was campaigning for Romney in the Presidenital primary. I couldn’t articulate why at the time, but now I can. Those suspicions have been confirmed in her support and praise for Van Jones and Barbara Boxer. Meg Whitman is an opportunist and is not to be trusted.
Any Republican would beat Gavin.
noufa Monday, October 5th at 6:03PM EST (link)The situation isn’t THAT bad. SF’s mayor sucks, but most Californians realize this fact:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/poll-jerry-brown-beating-republicans-for-ca-gov-newsom-trailing-gopers.php
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That's Why Newsom Won't Win the Dem Primary
IJB Monday, October 5th at 9:58PM EST (link)Not too long ago, I was sitting in a room with some pretty big time UC labor types, and at one point Newsom came up, and the labor bigwig in the room dismissed his chances.
The D’s will swallow hard, and pull the level for Jerry Brown. They may not like or respect him, but they know deep down that they’ll go down in flames with Newsom.
(What they haven’t realized yet, luckily, is that they’re very likely to go down in flames with Jerry Brown as well, IMO…)
Right on GT350
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I Just Want The Republican That Liberal Democrats Fear Most
crosley (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 1:12PM EST (link)The way I look at Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina is they’re going to give the Democrat candidates a run for their money. Are they the conservative ideal? Of course not. Is there any conservative Republican out there in California that has an even remote chance of winning these elections? No.
Some people here think it’s all about the conservative message getting out, but I disagree, elections have huge consequences.
I just look at it as Center-Right versus hard-core Left contest when it comes to California. I think conservatives take a huge hit when a Republican loses statewide by 15-20 points. It emboldens liberal politicians and paralyzes Republican leaders. It also hurts downticket offices since the race is a foregone conclusion.
If Ronald Reagan was cloned and brought back to life, he would lose statewide in a landslide in California if he ran on the same platform. It’s a different state now, and it sucks, but I don’t think the problem is the messenger, I think it’s the voters.
For what it’s worth, I’m supporting Rubio over Crist because I think Rubio actually has a very good shot at winning that Senate seat and I think it’s a risk worth taking. A real conservative can win in Florida. When it comes to a crazy state like California though, I just want a competitive election.
Your missing the point...they don't fear them...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:53PM EST (link)they’ll play at being afraid of them like they did Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2000 and 2008…and praise the great Gods of fortune that the Republican Party was stupid enough to buy it when they get to face off against the hapless fools in the general!
You tell me why they’d be afraid of Fiorina when they have Meg Whitman on record praising Boxer and going to bat full bore for her just a few years ago…
Did you even read the original post before you posted this?
Ohh...and please name for me the "Conservative" that has lost by ten to 15% in Califoirnia
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:58PM EST (link)who actually ran as a Conservative…or was allowed to run as such by the California GOP…
I keep preaching that this whole arguement is self fulfilling because we have NE and CA establishmentarians saying Conservatives can’t in NE and CA who refuse to allow a Conservative run on a Conservative message in these areas…and in fact…going out of their way to torpedo any candidate who dares make a conservative case for governance!
Simon? McClintock? (nt)
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OK...ask a stupid question...LOL...I asked for that...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 9:27PM EST (link)Were their campaigns matched dollar for dollar?
Cheryl (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:21AM EST (link)To the Dems they ran against? I honestly wasn’t paying attention.
I still think a conservative can win here if he/she is handled right and the money is there.
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To me statewide wins and losses are secondary
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:22AM EST (link)When the post-partisans stop their open war on conservatives, I’ll be willing to work with them more.
But if it’s to the pain, then so be it.
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TO THE PAIN!!!
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:28AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Neil...your knowledge of CA politics far surpasses mine...So I'm asking in all seriousness..
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 10:11AM EST (link)I don’t remember what either of them ran for but didn’t McClintock lose in the primary?….was he the party’s nominee?
and I’m not familiar with Simon…
and my biggest question…which is serious…though could be rhetorical depending on the answer…Did the state party back them 100%…because I seem to recal a lot of establishment attacks on McClintock though I don’t know if it was before or after he did or didn’t get the nomination
McClintock since lost a run for Lt Gov
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 1:41PM EST (link)Simon lost to Davis’s re-elect campaign.
As far as I know the state party didn’t undermine them Reagan-style.
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I'm curious how they'd show in the present climate were they to make their runs again...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 3:59PM EST (link)How About The Last Two Elections
crosley (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 4:39PM EST (link)In the last Senate election, Barbara Boxer won by 20 points in 2002 against Republican Bill Jones.
In the Governor’s race, Gray Davis beat Republican Dan Lungren by 19 points.
I’m sure the next thing your going to say is ,”These Republicans weren’t conservative enough.” I really don’t buy the “if they were TRUE conservatives, these Republican would have won” line. Who are these voters that go into a booth and say, “I really wish the Republican were more pro-life, oh well, I guess I’ll vote for Barbara Boxer instead.”
Now that I gave you two examples, why don’t you now give me a recent example of a Republican that ran as a conservative in California that didn’t lose statewide by double digits.
am I the only one that remembers...or even cares the noone ever heared of Whitman untill...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 3:36PM EST (link)McCain pulled her name out of the clear blue sky in the Saddleback Debate in 2007/8?
I remember thinking….”Meg who?”…when McCain named her as someone he admires.
I mean…COME ON ALREADY!!!
Hello??? She was running a Fortune 500 company?
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:25PM EST (link)Hello??? She was running a Fortune 500 company? You have heard of that thing called the Fortune 500? You know, as in NASDAQ symbol EBAY? You do know what NASDAQ is, yes?
Yeah, but Ross Perot ran a few too
Erick Brockway (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 9:29PM EST (link)Think we may have been stung by that one?
Think running a Fortune 500 company is all there is?
Does George Soros qualify for your vote?
I didn’t think so.
You need to realize we’re going to look at all sides of every candidate, even your favorite one.
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I'm talking about Politics gwynsmom...and no I don't spend a lot of time following who runs what furtune 500 company nt
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 10:14AM EST (link)I'm talking about Politics gwynsmom...and no I don't spend a lot of time following who runs what furtune 500 company nt
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 10:15AM EST (link)Yeah, and I never heard of Osama bin Laden until 9/2001, either
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:26PM EST (link)I bet you have no idea what it takes to run a Fortune 10,000 company. Nice that you seem to think you know what would make a good Governor for this state. You don’t even live here, do you?
face/palm nt
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 10:16AM EST (link)What I see in CA is a couple of really bad candidates who the party has jumped on because they're moderates...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 4:20PM EST (link)not because they have any real redeeming value as candidates beyond that…and again…the McCain, Fiorina, Whitman connections to the 2008 presidential elections shouldn’t be ignored
Hey, guess what. There is only ONE strong candidate.
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:28PM EST (link)And, it’s awfully counter-productive for you to be pooh-poohing her. If she were running YOUR state, you can bet it would be a tight ship.
The fact that she is not a career politician is a HUGE PLUS. Or do you think the career politicians which overrun Washington are what we should be looking for? WRONG.
heh...if she were that strong...why is her campaign in such a shambles?
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 9:00AM EST (link)and why was she on Boxer’s bandwagon just a few years ago?
ENOUGH WITH THE WHITMAN-BASHING, YOU NON-CALIFORNIANS ARMCHAIR PUNDITS!
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:14PM EST (link)ENOUGH WITH THE WHITMAN-BASHING, YOU NON-CALIFORNIANS ARMCHAIR PUNDITS!
DO YOU WANT JERRY BROWN’S JUDICIAL APPOINTEES FLOODING THE COURT SYSTEM HERE?
DO YOU EVEN LIVE IN THIS STATE? WORK IN THIS STATE? PAY TAXES IN THIS STATE?
IF THE ANSWER TO THE ABOVE QUESTIONS ARE NO, AS THEY WILL BE FOR MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE (NOT TO MENTION THE AUTHORS OF THE WHITMAN-BASHING SCREEDS), PLEASE DO US CALIFORNIANS A FAVOR AND STFU.
I PERSONALLY KNOW MEG WHITMAN, AND BELIEVE ME YOU WILL NOT FIND A BETTER CANDIDATE. YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHICH YOU OPINE.
YOU ARE JUST MAKING IT THAT MUCH EASIER FOR CALIFORNIA TO FALL TO JERRY BROWN. IF YOU HATE CALIFORNIA, YOU WILL BASH WHITMAN. PERIOD. YOU MUST BE JEALOUS OR SOMETHING.
WHITMAN IS THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE, THE MOST QUALIFIED, AND I COULD GIVE A HOOT IF SHE NEVER VOTED BEFORE IN HER LIFE; SHE IS STEPPING UP NOW. I VOTED FOR DEUKMEJIAN. WANT TO HOLD THAT AGAINST ME?
IN 2004 MEG WHITMAN WAS STILL CEO OF EBAY. AS SUCH, PART OF HER JOB WAS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THOSE CANDIDATES WHO WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO PASS REGULATIONS WHICH COULD EITHER HARM OR HURT THE BOTTOM LINE.
Y’ALL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BEING A CEO OF A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY MEANS, DO YOU? NOT EVEN THE BEGINNING OF AN IDEA.
SMALL-MINDED, PAROCHIAL, AND DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE PART OF THE REASON GAY MARRIAGE WILL EVENTUALLY PASS IN A FISCALLY BANKRUPT CALIFORNIA. BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO BUSY WHINING ABOUT AND FANCYING YOURSELF SOLE ARBITER OF CONSERVATIVE “CREDS”, WHOLLY BLIND AS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES TRUE LEADERSHIP ABILITY AND BEST CHOICES, STUCK IN YOUR NARROW PAROCHIALISM, WITH YOUR HEAD BURIED IN THE GROUND WHILE THE FREIGHT TRAIN BEARS DOWN ON YOU.
First, ditch the ALL CAPS please
Erick Brockway (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 9:19PM EST (link)Second, I live in California. I am sick of what the left has done here, as much as you.
Second, I’m even MORE sick of what RINO Republicans have done here, and maybe that ought to worry you too?
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Meg is not a RINO, and you're probably the ONLY other Californian here
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:32PM EST (link)Meg is a capitalist.
She ran eBay, a Fortune 500 company, for 10 years.
Was wildly successful at it.
All the rest is just gratuitous chit-chat. Except that in addition to being gratuitous, it’s potentially harmful and plays STRAIGHT into Democrats’ hands.
Meg Whitman is no Arnie. She’s had to make tough decisions each and every day for her entire career. Shouldered a huge amount of responsibility — to her shareholders, employees, customers, and chart a course through conflicting interests. Had to make the final call, good or bad. Had to take the risks in order to reap the rewards.
She has done way way more than act in a bunch of Hollywood movies.
Some of you would not know a person of SUBSTANCE if he or she whacked you over the head with a baseball bat.
All you know is chit-chat.
If you read the above post by Mr. Wolf
Erick Brockway (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 9:37PM EST (link)You’d hardly call it chit-chat. It was researched, obviously.
And you may want to consider not being so personally invested in any candidate that you rail angrily.
Like, calm down and come back after looking into some of the things brought up in the diary above, write a diary of your own refuting them.
I liked Whitman at first too, but now she’s looking like the best of a bad bunch of choices.
I may even swing to Poizner.
None look especially good at the moment.
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Well now
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:00PM EST (link)I’m a Californian, got the taxes taken out of my paycheck every two weeks to prove it.
By the way, the game of bash Republicans is one that is played on a non level playing field here on RS. It’s OK to bash a R that is not a “True Conservative” , what ever the heck that means, but by all means never speak ill of those that are. I try and fail at times to stick to Reagan’s 11th Commandment, but others seem not so interested in any of that and a discussion of real issues of substance like pocket book issues, how to fund our schools, how to deal with out of control spending….forgetabouit.
But back to Whitman, she’s got problems, with mostly no voting record in any election which even she admits is lousy and because she is mostly a political novice. About all she’s got going for her is maybe an ability to tap her own deep pockets and those of the moneyed types in CA. I’m not sure she will succeed, but the Donks will have plenty of money to smear whoever takes the nomination on the R side.
Right now the CA Republican party is pretty broke, I won’t dig it up but you can find news reports where this is talked about, so we end up with Open Mic night at the Political Comedy bar populated by Carlie, Meg and Posner and all the wealthy R’s who think they can waltz in a buy an office. The primary will sort it out, and then a fight with Jerry Brown in the General.
Hey but one good thing, no matter who wins, the Girlyman Governator will be gone…see I bash Republicans too, well Austrians pretending to be Republicans that is.
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IJB Monday, October 5th at 10:06PM EST (link)If pro-moderate SteveLA sees no real difference among the 3 candidates, then there really ain’t no difference!
Love that labeling
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:26PM EST (link)IJB
Yep, I’m a moderate on social issues, probably more Libertarian than moderate on those. But I’m probably to the right of Attila the Hun on crime, and only slight to the Center than Curtis “Bomb them back to the stone age” Lemay on military issues and not a real fan of taxes or spending like Drunken Sailors on Liberty by Republicans or Democrats.
When I see an endorsement for a state wide office based on purely social conservative terms and not how someone will be effective as a leader in dealing with the rest of the pocket book issues confronting this state I cringe because in my view pocket book issues and taking a no compromise conservative stance on fiscal issues might just win elections, which R’s out in CA have NOT been very effective at for state wide races.
But back to Whitman, she’s got problems, but she might be able to raise money the money from the R money bags in business to give Med Fly Jerry Brown a run for his money. The primary is her open mic at the Comedy Store, she’ll ether do well or bomb. The key will be how well she does on the stump, in debates and at raising funds for her run, that’s what I’m watching.
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I've seen Meg speak
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:49PM EST (link)and have been impressed. And I don’t impress easily.
If she restores California to fiscal balance (by reducing the size of government, which she has stated is her top priority), then we won’t be faced with the specter of having to release tens of thousands of prisoners early. They’ll stay in prison.
I think she’s far less likely to appoint the type of touchy-feely judges who take judging into their own empathetic hands. I believe she is a believer in law and order. How could you not strongly support the rule of law if you are trying to run a successful business? It’s one of the most fundamental required ingredients for capitalism itself. Rule of law and property rights.
Ohh..well...that settles it...if she can speak well...any fool can see that's all she needs to govern...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 9:26AM EST (link)That’s worked out well for the Democrats since January hasn’t it?
Geez, we've got an ignorant pin-head in our midst.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:21PM EST (link)And one with an attitude too.
Meg is a capitalist.
She ran eBay, a Fortune 500 company, for 10 years.
Was wildly successful at it.
So, if you make a bunch of money you’re automatically a “capitalist”, and by logical extension, a Republican? Sheesh.
Take a hard look at just who funds the left. Hint, it ain’t the “poor”. It’s guys like the fella that runs Progressive Insurance. And most of Wall Street.
You are also ignorant of the fundamental fact that running a company (of any size) successfully takes a different set skills from running a government, especially when said government is starkly divided between so-called Republicans and a majority of hard-left Democrats in safe seats.
I’d go into detail but it would be a waste of my time and you wouldn’t understand it anyway because I’d have to use words that are larger than two syllables.
Last time I checked, Meg was not expecting a government handout
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:45PM EST (link)And her employees were expected to work for their salaries, and contribute to the company’s bottom line.
The insurance industry is one in which getting cozy with government begets a mutually back-scratching relationship.
Technology startup is a whole different ball of wax. For a technology startup, the less government regulation/interference, the better. Meg Whitman has been very clear in her view on how government over-regulation in California is strangling business.
eBay grew to its size on its own merits, by providing a superior service, NOT via special relationships with politicians.
You're gone now, so this is just to set the record straight.
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:56AM EST (link)1. I addressed the difference in skill sets between running a company and running a government. You ignored that.
2. As far as your contention that tech/startup is a different ball of wax from running any other large company, you couldn’t be further from the truth. In point of fact companies like eBay came under very significant regulatory scrutiny because of their practice of financing their “burn rate” and the fact that the tech-crash made the last round of the banking/housing problems look like a kindergarten picnic.
3. In point of fact there are huge differences between being an effective CEO and an effective governor or president. A CEO gets to make decisions and require people to act on them, for better or worse. A governor or president doesn’t have that luxury, especially when the legislature/congress is controlled by a different party. And in CA, without regard to who is governor the Soros wing of the Democratic Party controls the legislature.
4. eBay grew to its size because it was the first on the block and they were able to define “service”. Whitman, etal did a good job with eBay (unlike Carly at HP), but you can bet your boots they spent lots of time and money on politicians.
You sound like a liberal
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:50PM EST (link)If it weren’t for your Cheney thing in your signature, I’d think you were one, based on the ad-hominem ratio in your oh-so-enlightening post.
I suggest you retract that. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:52PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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You sound like...
Bill S (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:57PM EST (link)someone whose longevity here will be quite short.
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Your starting to sound stupid
Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:02AM EST (link)Which you might want us to believe. Anyways, running a Fortune 500 company doesn’t make you qualified for public office, especially with the amount of them run by socialists. So you can take it as you want, but California needs some real shaking as getting thing done.
I need to say I’ve been through California twice(to and from the leftist paradise, the State of Hawaii) and so with that I’m happy to live in Texas.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
I 'm the leading Whitman basher around here
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 9:30PM EST (link)And I was born in Long Beach, and have lived my whole life in La Palma, Westminster, Pasadena, and Moreno Valley.
And no I’m not going to stop.
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And you didn't deign to reply to my email to you, did you?
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:33PM EST (link)Because you have nothing of substance to say.
Actually I didn't READ your comment
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:37PM EST (link)I don’t read crazy-looking, all-caps rants. My time has non-zero value.
Have you read my comprehensive piece on the Governor’s race? Or did you come here just to yell at us without reading firsT?
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Keep bashing Meg...
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 9:36PM EST (link)and say hello to your new Socialist Governor Brown. Oh, and gay marriage.
Your brilliant understanding of how the world works, and what constitutes an individual’s character, is breathtaking. /sarc
You sure you're a Californian?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:38PM EST (link)Try checking our Constitution sometime before shilling for Whitman. Initiative Amendments can’t be overturned by the Governor or the Legislature.
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But it can be Prop 187'd
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:45PM EST (link)Neil
What happened with Prop 187, might be before your time.
We the people passed “Save Our State”. Opponents to the measure went to court, new Democratic Governor, Grey Davis refused to allow the CA Attorney General to defend the will of the people. Prop 197 was ruled unconstitutional and died.
So what do you think will happen to Prop 8 under a Governor Moonbeam? While I might be ambivalent on many of the social issues that you do, I do care about the will of the people being overturned by Gods in Black Robes, even as a result of inaction of the Governor.
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You give gwynsmom too much credit I expect (nt)
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Perhaps
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:02PM EST (link)Neil
Perhaps you’re right about gwnmsmon.
But my point really goes to this nonsense of choosing nominees to “send a message” even if they have no chance of winning but are “right” on a single issue, that is nutty in my book. You nominate people to win elections, or don’t bother to get in the race.
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You're replying to the wrong person
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:37AM EST (link)I haven’t said anything about sending a message by opposing Whitman.
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Steve...this is where we always have a problem...because you keep up the straw man arguments
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 9:41AM EST (link)and insist on saying those of us who no longer wish to enable the leftist takeover of the Republican Party just want to send messages…
it’s not about sending any messages…it’s about stopping them in their tracks…not that we’ve had much success in that…but it’s not about just throwing temper tantrums and sending messages…
and I find this whole thing about Whitman and Fiorina amusing because I’m seeing those who are so gleeful about questioning my and other’s Republican credentials and who accuse us of wanting to elect Democrats because we won’t go along with the parties hand pick candidates are having their pre-programmed and knee jerk reactions to our arguments used against them.
Mind you…I’m on their side on this because I’m not switching sides or changing principles on anything…I just hope…when this is all done…that this lesson will sink in with my less conservative Republican brethren. and hopefully we can dialogue about how we can fix this instead of attacking those of us pointing out the problems
I'll tell you what will happen under Governor Moonbeam
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:40PM EST (link)He’ll pack every level of the courts top to bottom with lunatics like himself, who will make YOUR life a living hell.
If you think things are bad now, watch them get even worse.
I know of which I speak. A Gray Davis judicial appointee ruined my life, and my son’s life.
I'm referring to the email I sent several weeks ago.
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 10:42PM EST (link)Who appointed those California Supremes who ruled that gay marriage was somehow implied in California’s constitution?
I await your reply.
What email?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:54PM EST (link)I don’t know what you’re tal king about.
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This email, Neil.
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:18PM EST (link)From: Gwyn’s Mom [mailto:gwynsmom@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:38 PM
To: ‘neil@habuki.us’
Subject: Regarding Meg Whitman
“My husband and I met him and many others on a cruise sponsored by National Geographic and The Aspen Institute. He talked about supporting job growth in California, but of course I did not do a background check of his past over dinner. As these reports have surfaced, it’s clear that he holds views that I entirely reject; any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.” –Meg Whitman
Extremely irresponsible of you to misrepresent Meg Whitman this way. I am very disappointed in you, RedState.
http://bit.ly/3Pz4wC
The fact of the matter is that Meg Whitman is the ONLY hope for pulling our state out of oblivion. I know you probably hate California, but if you don’t actually live and pay taxes, here, BUTT OUT AND STFU ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN’T EVEN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. ALSO don’t forget WE GAVE YOU RONALD REAGAN. It is in YOUR interest to see this state restored, instead of sitting on your hineys spreading lies which jeopardize our future.
The responsible thing for you to do here is to pull the video and post a correction.
Hmmm, you must be referring to my RH post...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:32PM EST (link)The one with the video of her singing Jones praises. If so I would note that the title of that post was Seeking Clarification From Meg Whitman Regarding Van Jones, which, as far as I know she didn’t provide to RedState.
It does make one wonder about her judgement when she says she “is a HUGE fan of his, he is very bright, ver articulate and very passionate”. The response in The Weekly Standard raises the question, how can you be a huge fan of someone whom you know so little about. Now if she was just playing it up for the people she was talking to, well that makes her seem to be just another run of the mill politician.
So, either she has bad judgement, or she is just playing politics as usual after being caught supporting a rather nefarious character…enthusiastically. I will note that neither of those options are particularly good.
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If you had been paying attention
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:38PM EST (link)It was clear from her statement that she only met Jones casually, and based her positive opinion of him on those brief meetings, being unaware of his radical ideology, which she PROMPTLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY rejected, in no uncertain language. More than Obama did.
Did anybody from RedState contact the Whitman campaign for a formal statement? If so, who and when?
Umm, do you often say you are a *HUGE* fan of people you meet casually...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:43PM EST (link)do you also go on to say that you “are a big fan of his and he is doing a marvelous job”. Because those are rather specific praises for having only met Jones casually.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Bill S (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:54PM EST (link)“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Wow, are you really so idiotic? Please re-read.
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:56PM EST (link)“My husband and I met him and many others on a cruise sponsored by National Geographic and The Aspen Institute. He talked about supporting job growth in California, but of course I did not do a background check of his past over dinner. As these reports have surfaced, it’s clear that he holds views that I entirely reject; any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.” –Meg Whitman
Ok you will definitely retract that...now. nt
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Check the timeline, Aaron Gardner
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:58PM EST (link)Timelines are stubborn things.
Tick...tick...tick... nt
Steve Maley (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:02AM EST (link)The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
What timeline are you referring to gwynsmom...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:03AM EST (link)and I would kindly ask again that you retract your statement that I am in some way idiotic.
Got it.
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Born in Fresno.
NightTwister (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:24PM EST (link)Lived in Mountain View, Saratoga, Cupertino, Campbell, Merced, San Jose, Fremont, Union City, Dublin, Santa Maria, Buellton, Santa Barbara, Thousand Oaks, Moorpark, Simi Valley and Lakewood. Worked in many other cities surrounding those cities.
Almost every day I wake up I thank God I no longer live in California. Mostly, I don’t miss people like you.
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I don't miss you either, NightTwister
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:35PM EST (link)Glad you’re not here anymore.
The best part, pin-head, is that you probably won't
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:39PM EST (link)be “here” much longer.
Stupid people with attitudes tend to have short half-lives.
There you go with the ad-hominems again
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:57PM EST (link)I believe you must be a liberal troll.
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA....
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:04AM EST (link)Calling mbecker a liberal…..
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..sorry, I can’t stop laughing…..
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It's not ad hominem if it's true. [nt]
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:08AM EST (link)“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
OK. You're an idiot.
gwynsmom Tuesday, October 6th at 12:11AM EST (link)That’s not an ad hominem.
Hope you had fun. nt
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Wow, Idiots calling others Idiots
Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:16AM EST (link)BTW, I need to help on schooling our next roving nutcase strait. You don’t need to call people here that tell you the truth that they are idiots. So when you do come too your senses, my email richard.mullins@att.net is ready to except. It doesn’t mean that I will not trash it though.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Hehe I'm hurt.
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:22AM EST (link)But I’m here. And you’re not.
Idiot.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Look here gwynsmom, you called me idiotic which is also an ad hominem attack...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:10AM EST (link)Quit playing the victim.
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As I noted, short half-lives. Heh. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:44AM EST (link)Moved to CA in the 3rd grade.
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:38PM EST (link)Lived in Merced, Dos Palos, Covelo, Willows and got my bachelors degree from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo.
I thank God that He made me at least as smart as a Saguaro cactus which won’t move to CA either. And amen on your final sentence.
My brother graduated from Cal Poly SLO.
NightTwister (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:45PM EST (link)He used to tell stories about surfing near the power plant. The warm water ejected into the ocean meant not having to paddle out’
One of the things I still remember fondly was all the time I spent hanging out at Avila Beach.
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A RINO by definition is a politician
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:09PM EST (link)A RINO by definition is a politician.
Meg has always been a BUSINESSWOMAN (not a politician).
An astonishingly successful one.
Part of a very small club CEOs of hugely successful software companies, in the same league as Bill Gates (Microsoft), Larry Ellison (Oracle), Steve Jobs (Apple).
(But NOT , BTW, Carly Fiorina, who was only CEO of HP for a short time.)
Under Meg’s stewardship, eBay grew from an unknown startup into a household name, an entity used by millions of users around the globe, day in, day out, year after year.
One which enabled hundreds of thousands of individuals to achieve economic self-sufficiency. One which contributed to California’s (and the nation’s) strong economy. Once which created tens of thousands of jobs, not only at eBay but at all the satellite businesses which sprang up around eBay. One which was run efficiently. One which was competitive. And one which was run ethically. (One small example, there could have been profit to be made in allowing Nazi memorabilia to be traded on eBay, but an executive decision was made — by Meg — to not do it. Just one of many examples of how even her business decisions were guided by her overall ethics.)
A BUSINESSWOMAN. Not a politician. Not a lawyer puke (a la Jerry Brown/John Edwards/you name it).
CEOs have a completely different set of priorities from politicians. Their priorities are to make their companies profitable. To make their companies grow. To compete against other companies and win.
In order to succeed at Meg’s level, you need a particular skill set, one which very few individuals possess.
Her accomplishments pretty much blow every other candidate out of the water.
I could care less about whether or not she voted in whatever stupid election there may have been in the past.
I do care that she led one of the most successful global web commerce companies of all time, and that she feels called at this moment of time, when our nation is teetering on the brink of falling into a socialistic, anarchistic mess, to step up to the plate and apply her considerable talents to help straighten out the disaster which is California.
I am not so much invested in Meg as I am in California, because this is a great state which has been absolutely trashed by wacko lefties. Some might just give up, but I for one am not giving up, neither is Meg Whitman, and for this reason she has my 1000% support.
Keep in mind she is not doing this for the money, fame, or power. Her sole motivation is because she cares about this state, and rather than stand by and watch it go down the tubes, is actually going to get her hands dirty and try to do something about it.
Elections are not stupid
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:23PM EST (link)Well gnysmon
Let’s start with elections; they are not stupid, they are an obligation, and honor and privileged afforded the citizens of this country. Meg Whitman had trouble with getting her butt out of her busy executive job to vote in just about any election when she was running eBay. If you don’t see that as a problem then I suggest your remove your nose from Whitman’s rectum, as even Whitman acknowledges her lack of voting as a failing.
Next, what did Meg Whitman do besides running eBay? Community involvement, civic involvement, lobbying for more H1B visas with her pal Darth Gates, and Psycho Larry E? (That’s a trick question at the end….I’m not a fan of the H1B visa program).
By the way, her opponent Steve Posiner is also one of the Pirates of Silicon Valley in the same era and also ran a company successfully and made Millions, so what makes Whittman’s accomplishments better than his?
Tell me about unique accomplishments in business that her opponent has not made, those should be substantial issues. Tell me about philanthropy, involvement in the community in civic groups, those are also substantial issues that go to how well she would manage the CA government.
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Do you have any idea what is involved in running a successful multi-billion-dollar company?
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:29PM EST (link)Do you?
It really seems like you have not the faintest idea.
Here’s a clue; You have do to more than just sit around and order room service.
And, ghost, you certainly don't. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:44AM EST (link)As far as Ross Perot
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:20PM EST (link)We will never know whether he would have been a good President or not, because he was a 3rd party candidate and never had a chance of being elected.
Whereas Meg has a fighting chance of being elected, if people would stop whining about RINOs and rally behind the strongest candidate who’s a champion of free markets (perhaps the world’s foremost champion of free markets! eBay has opened up free markets in countries where they did not even exist), NOT a wack-job socialist.
Are you going to let Jerry Brown and the California Supreme Court decide our futures?
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:22PM EST (link)And (if you have children), our children’s futures?
I ask this question of the actual Californians here on this thread, not the armchair pundits.
Not buying them on eBay....(nt)
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I like your signature line.
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:28PM EST (link)I’ll take a competent moderate over an incompetent ideological purist any day. At the end of the day, which one do you think will have accomplished more for you?
None of the above
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:38PM EST (link)For CA, none of the above really.
CA is so messed up that I’d like to see some uber rich person who really does not care about doing more than one term in office and does not want to run for any future office just start cutting the heck of the state budget using the line item veto. Let the fir fly, let both the Tax and Send Democrats in the Assembly and their Union backers have a cow, and let the Republicans in the Assembly come out from under their desks and ether back the cuts or go back to hiding under their desks.
I’d like to see a Republican running for Governor state that the only plank in their platform is “Cry Havoc, unloose the dogs of war on the state budget!”
It’s the only way CA is going to come to grips with the realities that you cannot tax everyone to death to support every service that every group demands, there has to be limits. I had hopes that the Girlyman Governator would unleash those dogs of war on the state budget, but sadly that did not happen.
By the way….NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Then it sounds like Whitman is your (wo)man
gwynsmom Tuesday, October 6th at 12:05AM EST (link)Directly from her website:
“California’s government spending addiction has left our state teetering on financial ruin, and the knee-jerk call for more taxpayer dollars in these trying economic times is a clear signal that Sacramento is hopelessly out of touch with the people. We need a new political culture in the Capitol, one that looks at taxpayers as customers instead of ATMs.
Our state’s structural deficit is in the billions of dollars and is projected to continue for the foreseeable future.
As Governor, I will:
* Cut costs by looking for efficiencies, fraud, waste and abuse in every part and every level of government
* Reduce the state workforce by 40,000, including gubernatorial appointees
* Create revenues through incentives and tax cuts that encourage business retention and job growth
* Establish a true “rainy day” reserve to pay for our floods, fires and other natural disasters
* Pay down the state’s enormous debt before starting new programs or expanding functions
* Reform the state’s public-employee pension system
http://www.megwhitman.com/platform_sub_topic.php?id=378&type=spending
And how about those ACORN investigations?
gwynsmom Monday, October 5th at 11:27PM EST (link)Do ya think Governor Brown will feel compelled to do anything about ACORN — or whatever Soros-funded entity replaces it, once it has been disbanded?
Based on how she has run eBay for the past decade, I have FULL CONFIDENCE that Meg would do the right thing, have the guts to stand up to her critics and not fold like a cheap suit (Arnie).
She’s not beholden to any special interests because she’s not a career politican puke. She’s been completely outside the corrupt world of politics until now. Doing what normal people do, i.e. making a living. And I would add, making a positive contribution to the world. (as I have previously cataloged).
I would just rather have everything in the open now
Erick Brockway (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:57PM EST (link)I’d rather not be surprised by all the negatives about whichever candidate it turns out to be when they are eventually dug up by the Democrat candidate’s campaign.
Whoever it is on the GOP side will get my full support in the general election. Until then, anything coming out now would’ve come out eventually, and it doesn’t help to try and shout down the messenger, negatives will still be there.
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Much ado about nothing
gwynsmom Tuesday, October 6th at 12:08AM EST (link)1. Supporting Boxer was consistent with her JOB at the time, which was CEO of eBay.
2. I’d rather have someone who ignored politics all their life and one day woke up and decided to get into politics because they thought they might be one of the very few people who could save the Titanic, than someone who voted in every single election since they turned 18, but didn’t have the requisite skill set to accomplish very much of squat.
3. Boxer was elected. Do you blame Meg, or blame the people who voted Boxer into office? I hold the people responsible on that one.
Businessfolk support pols on both sides all the time
Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:16AM EST (link)And I’d hardly say Whitman ignored politics just because she didn’t vote.
I blame the people for falling for the same leftists that ruin their lives year after year, never even asking their elected darlings;
“I voted for you every time, when’s it start getting better?”
Should be utopia by now in Maxine Water’s district.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:13AM EST (link)Thanks for calling us pukes, now get lost you worthless troll.
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AArghh!
Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:17AM EST (link)If I’d waited FIVE minutes I could’ve saved myself all that typing!
Oh well, right full rudder and ahead flank.
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Postscript
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 4:01AM EST (link)====”Based on how she has run eBay for the past decade, I have FULL CONFIDENCE that Meg would do the right thing, have the guts to stand up to her critics and not fold like a cheap suit (Arnie).”====
I know you’re already histoire, but I still feel compelled to point out that this is exactly how most people felt about Arnie in 2003.
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Whooooooole lotta bluster and bravado in here, coming from a citizen of the first failed U.S. state.
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, October 6th at 12:15AM EST (link)But then, I left California a while back so I guess I can’t post in this thread, or in any other thread pertaining to any of the other 48 states in which I don’t live. Sorry, folks.
(P.S. This kind of thing tends to happen to people who “personally know” politicians.)
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