In the quiet of a fall evening in November I see a movement in the woods. It is the Mugwumps and the No-Nothing parties of 1860 reunifying with a ritual burning of a liberal Democrat, in effigy, of course. They are discussing major events and the strategy to win. The problem is that no one knows whether they are the semiliberals, or the semiconservatives. They fear the public, but not their constituents. Therefore, they are torn as to whether they will go along with the Democrats or begin a whole new battleground. They don’t like the label of conservative, because they are afraid someone might find out they don’t vote as a conservative. RINOs are present, and independents, too. Since they haven’t listened to their constituents for a long time, they don’t know how. They are more afraid of the Democrats than their own party. It is going to be tough to vote for a party that has no idea who they are. The Mugwumps are the driving force. They have ideas about the healthcare legislation, and taxes, and big government. The problem is, they are going to stop it from growing at its present level, not cut it back. Their healthcare bill has some good things in it, but they have no confidence their bill can pass, because they don’t want to fight for what they believe in.
The No-Nothing party is aptly named. They have no ideas, and those they do have are conspiritorial in nature. They fringe out every once in a while, and want government to just go away. No more taxes, or bailouts, but no strategy to replace it. How can any party win under these circumstances? Someone had better come up with a plan of action, or the party will fold up in the middle of the campaign.
We, as citizens of this great nation deserve better than that. We are fighting for the very soul of America. If the Republican Party misfires in 2010, we, as a nation will go down in flames. America cannot afford having a Democrat majority. They must be defeated. The time for sectarianism and gross neglect of the issues has passed. The underachieving within the Republican party has taken its toll on this nation. It is high time Republicans got their act together and changed this nation back to the limited government, low taxes, insurance selling accross state lines, small bureaucracy, strict constitutional government party.
The Mugwumps and the No-Nothing party made the Republican Party a winning party by electing Abe Lincoln. I think it is time to elect a majority of congress, and get Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of their party out of office. The citizens of this nation are in a conservative mood, don’t blow it.
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
a brief primer on Mugwumps and Know-Nothings
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 12:07PM EST (link)The Mugwumps were Republicans who crossed party lines and voted for Grover Cleveland (D) in 1884 instead of the Republican candidate, whom they believed to be a corrupt, elitist banker. Most of them eventually switched parties to the Democrats. In other words, these are the same kind of Republicans and Independents who threw our government entirely into Democratic Socialist hands in 2006 and 2008. The original Mugwump split destroyed the New England stronghold of the Republican party.
The Know-Nothings were the predecessors of the John Birch society and other extreme anti-immigrant voters. They existed prior to the Civil War. They were pretty much founded as a Protestant anti-Catholic party, which led them to oppose Irish Catholic politicians, who were almost all Democrats. Eventually they ended up as Republicans. They’re the old-timey version of the John Birch society and the Democrat caricature of the Moral Majority.
So who are our Mugwumps and Know-Nothings these days: McCainesque Independents and the Socons who sat out the last two elections? Yeah, they are a problem, but not because we need them. They are a problem because they aren’t with us on conservative principles, which is what we as Republicans need to run on. Freedom will win elections. Individual Freedom is the original Republican charter, and the enduring value that will keep the Republican Party evergreen if only we use it.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Blaine in 1884 wasn't running on conservative principles
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 12:29PM EST (link)from this web site
http://www.cresswellslist.com/ballots2/1884race.htm
Blaine had engaged in crooked financial dealings, accepting business favors in exchange for congressional influence. In particular, Blaine’s investments in an Arkansas railroad had attracted attention. A man named Mulligan had produced some incriminating Blaine missives, some of which ended with the statement, “burn this letter.”
The chief issue of the 1884 campaign, aside from mud-slinging, was the tariff. Predictably, the Republican Blaine favored a high tariff to protect American manufacturers and laborers. The Democrat Cleveland advocated a low tariff to make American companies more competitive, and to keep consumer prices low.
apparently Teddy Roosevelt had something to do with the split too
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 1:52PM EST (link)He was the head of the Republican Party in 1884 and supported Blaine despite all the scandal around him and the revolt of the Mugwumps. His goal was to keep the possibility of his own run for the Presidency open. That he did, and then he didn’t even run as a Republican his second time out.
Oddly enough, Cleveland was a more principled conservative than Blaine, whose financial depravity put him in a class with Chris Dodd, “Dollar” Bill Jefferson, and Charlie Rangel. Cleveland’s main fault in the race was that he had fathered an illegitimate child, admitted to it, and paid for the boy’s support. Blaine sold his office for favors. And yet Roosevelt supported Blaine despite his overwhelming problems.
In other words, rather than the Mugwumps just throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it was the power-seeking Teddy Roosevelt who pushed Blaine and crippled the Republican Party in New England. All so TR could serve as a Republican for one term, then as a Bull Moose, get his face on Mt. Rushmore, and finally give the nation his cousin/nephew FDR who was America’s first or second fascist dictator, depending on whether you count Wilson.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
now you got it right, 'beagle nt
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 2:33PM EST (link)to kowalski Cleveland is the last D President who
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 2:48PM EST (link)had as much as an ounce of conservative principles. After his presidency the Ds turned toward Eugene Debs, William Jennings Bryant, and Woodrow Wilson. Some may argue with me about Truman, but remember that he tried desperately to get government-run healthcare passed during his term.
Ahh...so NOW I understand why TR is Johnny Macs favorite Prez. (nt)
eburke (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 3:18PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Beaglescout, I usually find you spot on but I take offense
eburke (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 3:16PM EST (link)at this comment in reference to SoCons: “They are a problem because they aren’t with us on conservative principles,”
As someone who is as devoutly socially conservative as I am fiscally conservative and pro-military, (mainly because I view the 3 of them as inextricably philisophically interwined) I grow tired of the constant meme that SoCons are the problem in our problem because they’re not fiscally conservative.
I don’t know how many names, or how many examples it’s gonna take to lay bare the utter lie that is. The VAST majority of people and politicians who are soically conservative are also fiscally conservative (probably ’cause they flow from the same value system) and I can count on one hand the number of people/politicians I know that are Socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Because I have a great deal of respect for where you’re usually coming from I’m going to hope that I misunderstood or that you weren’t clear, or that I have reading comprehension problems, but as I’m understanding it, I couldn’t disagree with you more. And, frankly, I am sick to death of hearing this ridiculous canard (which usually emanates from RINOs who are neither fiscally OR socially conservative)
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
oops..."party" not "problem" nt
eburke (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 3:19PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
You are correct
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 4:50PM EST (link)I’m a socially conservative Catholic and I voted.
I was sloppy and wrote something I didn’t intend. I have no gripe with Socons on conservative principles. I do have a gripe with moderates, populists, and some of the independents (especially the antiwar gangs and conspiracy theorists) on principles.
Here is how I would correct the last para.
“So who are our Mugwumps and Know-Nothings these days: McCainesque Moderates and those self-proclaimed populist Socons who sat out the last two elections? Yeah, Moderates and populists are a problem, but one we can overcome. They aren’t with us on conservative principles, primarily the principle of Individual Freedom, which is what we as Republicans need to run on. Freedom will win elections. Individual Freedom is the original Republican charter, and the enduring value that will keep the Republican Party evergreen if only we use it.”
Thanks for spurring me to improve!
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
replace "last two elections"
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 4:52PM EST (link)replace “last two elections” with “2006 and 2008.”
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Ok, ya got me onboard now :-)
eburke (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 6:06PM EST (link)I kinda figured there was a breakdown in thought communication ’cause that just didn’t *sound* like the Beaglescout that I almost always find/found myself nodding my head in agreement and saying “yeah…what he said.”.
Thanks for the clarification. All is good with the world now
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
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Bill S (Diary) Friday, December 4th at 3:20PM EST (link)Furthermore, LJ’s assertion that socons sat out the last two elections is unsupported and patently false. Now they (we, I might add) have sat out the 2000 election…there is a fair amount of documentation to back that particular one. Many socons distrusted GWB at first, but they were solidly behind him in 2004.
I have fronted more than one story about what you are addressing here, eburke. You are right on target.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Interesting Parallel . . .
lukematthews (Diary) Saturday, December 5th at 9:56AM EST (link)to the middle nineteenth century situation. As is noted, the history is not quite right but the Democrats, and the political independents, believed the election of Buchanan in 1856 over the new Republican Party, would be a consensus reording of the political landscape. Buchanan’s inauguration was the largest to date and a party that lasted for days. This was the narrative used by the lame-brain media late last year. They believed the Obama election would radically alter the political landscape in the Democrats favor.
Such a reordering may well be happening. However, just as in 1860, it isn’t going according to the media narrative. We have entered into a massive realignment of socialist versus capitalist and that is not going well for the Democrats. It is they who are splintering. Maybe not as much among their elected officials but definitely among their base.