The wheels continue to come off of the Global Warming hoax


Here are some interesting excerpts from the Senate report.

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” – Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” – Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” – UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” – Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC “are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” – Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” – U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” – Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” – Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” – Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” – Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” – Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” – Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” – Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #

In addition, the report will feature new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a heavy dose of inconvenient climate developments. (See Below: Study: Half of warming due to Sun! –Sea Levels Fail to Rise? – Warming Fears in ‘Dustbin of History’)

The Senate Minority Report is an update of 2007’s blockbuster U.S. Senate Minority Report of over 400 dissenting scientists. See here: This new report will contain the names, quotes and analyses of literally hundreds of additional international scientists who publicly dissented from man-made climate fears in just 2008 alone.

So much for “consensus


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Too Bad. It's -17F and dropping right now and

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:48AM EST (link)

I could use a little AGW around here.

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At least it is only "freezing" in Texas

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:55AM EST (link)

27 this morning. I know for you guys up north that is a spring day. At least we don’t have ice & snow. Things could be worse, just feel lucky that Russia does not supply your gas – not yet anyways….I am sure Obama is working on it.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Last few days it's been pushing 80...record temps in LA

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 12:13PM EST (link)

sucks for you… :)

Mid 50s for the next week on the CO Front Range.

NightTwister (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 12:21PM EST (link)

Time to break out the short sleeves & shorts.

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Well ...

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 11:23AM EST (link)

I, for one, am so thankful for global warming right now. Without it, just imagine how cold it would be. Really, when you think about how it must be averting the next ice age, why concern ourselves with it? If anything, we need more global warming because it’s darned cold out there, even for those locations that are used to the cold.

Honestly, skepticism pays at times. Everybody was so willing to jump on the warming bandwagon that it’s really pathetic. What’s even more pathetic is that no matter how much evidence to the contrary is provided, they continue to parrot old… interpret wrong… data and call the rest of us stupid for not believing. They can’t believe in God but they can believe in man-made global warming and grouse about overpopulation.

Well, here’s a challenge for them… a play on the casting the first stone chapter of the New Testament. Let those who believe the world is overpopulated self terminate and solve the problem. If they’re not willing to do that to further their cause, then they just need to get out of my face about what they think I do wrong.

My house is “greener” than Al Gore’s, Obama’s, Capitol Hill, and just about every other advocate’s house you can think of… and it’s not because I believe in global warming but because I don’t want to pay the utility bills.

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Recommended - for what it's worth

scottbomb (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 11:41AM EST (link)

It doesn’t seem to make a diff. since the reco’d diarys haven’t changed in what.. a month??

Anyhow, great compilation, Kyle. This should be on the front page.

What I find most amazing and sad is that reports like this never seem to make it into the “mainstream”. Most people will never know anything but what Algore and his minions preach.

One thing though – if those underlined words are supposed to be links, they’re not working.

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LOL no the underlined names...

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 11:47AM EST (link)

were the words that came up on the spell check.
What you see is what happens when you post before turning off the spell check.

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Note the skepticism of the geologists.

Steve Maley (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 12:40PM EST (link)

That’s the primary science that has the proper perspective on the dimension of time.

It’s foolish to conclude anything about anything of a global magnitude when your time frame of interest is 50, 100 or even 1000 years.

You’d better be able to model and explain the last significant, spontaneous warming event, which was about 14,000 years ago. How about an explanation of the cycles of that & previous ice ages? Has AGW warming modeling properly accounted for such cycles, or have they assumed ceteris paribus in that regard?

Yeah, I thought so.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

 

I love that Takeda Kinihiko quote

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 1:31PM EST (link)

“Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” – Dr. Takeda Kunihiko

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 

Regardless of facts, Democrats are poised to fight "global warming"

scottbomb (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 4:19PM EST (link)

Henry Waxman (D-CA) is gearing up to make man-made global warming a priority for the next Congress. I wonder if he’ll propose the legislation now or wait until July?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95NNE8O0&show_article=1

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Waxman's nose could be the cause of "global warming"

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 4:43PM EST (link)

His state is bankrupt and he is worried about global warming?
I got news for you Henry, you better worry about your job before
jumping on the global warming bandwagon.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

Evolutionists have always theorized that we are

MelZ (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 5:14PM EST (link)

in the middle of a “between ice ages”. Meaning tremendous warming before a tremendous, tremendous cooling.
Most scientists are in pretty much agreement that the population of the world has been wiped out several times due to the extreme change in global climate….
I am almost certain that all of this happened before we vile humans even inhabited the Earth. So now why all of a sudden does ANYONE think WE have anything to do with the global climate? The Earth will end one day whether it be from the sun burning out, the rotation ending, something happening to cause actual chatostrophy….this will probably happen LONG LONG LONG after we humans are gone, there will probably be several more mass population wipe out.
Does not mean we as humans act as good stewards of the Earth. But punishing people with high taxes and the such to save the Earth that no matter what will end one day?

Of course I could add that our Savior will probably be here before the Earth has a chance to end, but I was trying to write something even a liberal could understand. Probably still failed.

MelZ

cold winter has given liberal's a new spin

loewenbrau (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 5:50PM EST (link)

Agree with MeIZ. We humans cannot control climate and should respect all in nature and be good stewards of the earth. The liberals have used global warming as a control issue. One way to control is taxes. Another is lifestyle.

Was told by a professor that this cold spell is a part of global warming and therefore proof that global warming exists?????? Must mention that he did not explain how, exactly, that worked

Isn't that the most convenient belief system?

kyle8 (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 5:58AM EST (link)

If it’s hot its global climate change
if its cold its global climate change
if there are hurricanes its global climate change
it there are no hurricanes its global climate change

If you are not a scientist then you are unaware of the consensus.
If you are a sceptical scientist then you are a denier who probably works for the oil industry.

They have an answer for everything.

Tell your prof he is a tool being used by scammers.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

So if we are between ice ages

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 5:58PM EST (link)

then we need Global Warming. We need to pump more
CO2 into the atmosphere. We need to unleash our
economy and not worry about cap & trade.
China, India, Russia & most of the 3rd world
don’t buy into global warming. If America does then
it will be lights out and grab your blankets.
And don’t expect to eat 3 meals a day.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

Mankind's greatest advancements have been accomplished during periods of warming...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 8:29PM EST (link)

Disease, famine and death have filled the historical records during periods of cooling, as entire regions of the planet became barren and unhabitable.

Rational thought eludes the GlobalWarmingZealots™ because there’s really only one rational choice. Which means they’re 180° out of phase with nature.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

Thank you! The wind

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:06PM EST (link)

chill in my town is -33 right now. Another nearby Chicago suburb had a wind chill of -47 this morning.

A question. How many deaths by freezing will it take to convince the All Gore Nincompoops that we are not going to be charbroiled by atmospheric CO2?


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This is insane...

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:12PM EST (link)

this is hard for me to get a grasp on…I have my heater set to come on at 62 above………I am not being a smart axx…..62…

at -33 does your heater just stay on all the time?…..Is your house insulated to the Max?……can you feel your fingers right now?

Wind chill doesn't much affect a modern house.

Achance (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:25PM EST (link)

If the wind is blowing it might increase the air infiltration a bit, but not that much. An old house with lots of cracks and little insulation is another matter altogether.

I’ve done still air at minus 60 or so and and wind chills a lot colder than that. Wind chill really only is a measure of how it feels to a person who isn’t well clothed. I’m pretty much a cynic about wind chill other than as it relates to a person outside and not dressed for cold.

My house has a “design temperature” of minus 20. That means my furnace will run all the time at minus 20 still air. Below minus 20, my furnace will run all the time but will not be able to keep up; the house will start to get colder, air temp colder. Even far above design temp, the walls and windows will have gotten cold and the house really isn’t all that comfortable. Below design temp, the air in the house is getting cold and it isn’t a perception of cold, it IS cold.

In Vino Veritas

Breaking...Mexico dissolves...achance and $peciallist take control..

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:42PM EST (link)

this pic just in...

speciallist (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:43PM EST (link)

Just as I suspected, no chest hair. Swimmers? - nt

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That's pretty close: I got a red sombrero right above my gun rack

Achance (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:49PM EST (link)

only a few feet from where I sit as I type. Now, I don’t think I’d wear those pants, but I really like the cartridge belts.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Achance: anywhere but the lower 48? But give him and 'llist

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:43PM EST (link)

some time and it will be the Lower 49?

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Achance

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:49PM EST (link)

See if this sounds like a spring day in AK:

WESTERLY WINDS AROUND 10 MPH COMBINED WITH TEMPERATURES WELL BELOW ZERO WILL RESULT IN WIND CHILLS OF 25 TO 45 BELOW ZERO TONIGHT. TEMPERATURES AND WIND CHILLS WILL SLOWLY MODERATE FRIDAY.

THESE LOW WIND CHILLS ARE VERY DANGEROUS. IF YOU VENTURE OUTSIDE… MAKE SURE TO COVER ALL EXPOSED SKIN.

A WIND CHILL WARNING MEANS THE COMBINATION OF WIND AND VERY COLD AIR WILL CREATE DANGEROUSLY LOW WIND CHILL VALUES. THIS WILL RESULT IN FROST BITE AND LEAD TO HYPOTHERMIA OR DEATH IF PRECAUTIONS ARE NOT TAKEN.

And, I might add, Nincompoops who brandish hockey sticks need to be the first to go!


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Sounds like another day in Paradise. nt

Achance (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:53PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

I'm not going to that Paradise.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:57PM EST (link)

I wore 2 pairs of socks under my boots because no matter how boiling hot my car gets, the #$&@ clutch stays the same temperature all the way to work..


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Clutch? What is this clutch thing?

Achance (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 10:04PM EST (link)

I abandoned clutches the first time I had to take my hand off something I didn’t want to take it off of to shift a manual transmission.

In Vino Veritas

A clutch is a necessity

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 10:14PM EST (link)

for gluttons for punishment. You have the better of me there since I’m not nearly as close to the arctic circle as you. If I had my wish, I’d be in Santa Fe, NM where the weather is almost identical to Chicago’s except they don’t have the humidity.

I hate humidity. Unless I’m in Hawaii. Then it’s fine.


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I keep my house at 63

redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:33PM EST (link)

when I am home, and at 60 when I am not. That means I wear a hoodie if I am not moving.

My house is underinsulated but I have a lot of protection from the wind. (Garage, enclosed patio, overgrown shrubbery and evergreens.) My November heat was $100. I have a brand new furnace which is helping as well.

Tonight, leaving work, the wind was so cold in the parking lot that the nerves on my cheekbone were screaming “HURRY UP, damnit!”

Basically, you must not expose your skin to the wind for more than a couple of minutes.

For the first time ever, I put together a survival kit for my commute to work, because my car is 17 years old and you never can tell. I brought a jar of salted peanuts, a spare hat, gloves, and scarf, plus a blanket. That way, I could help anyone stranded.


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On cold, see this:

Achance (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 9:46PM EST (link)

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/654532.html

See my piece in the comments below.

I’ll confess to being like most everybody else in this part of the world; my house is too hot, my hot tub is too hot, my car is too hot. I like too hot because it is so damned cold most of the time!

In Vino Veritas

LOL. It's -23 right now

redneck_hippie (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 6:08AM EST (link)

and it “feels like” -23. Guess it’s a heat wave or something.


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Oh, Al Glorbal Warming will reappear by the inauguration...

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 11:13AM EST (link)

The Obamaphiles are madly running as many Google searches as they can to warm the place up ;)

Al Gore needs to take a long walk off a short pier

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 12:10PM EST (link)

The Global Warming gang will be hung out to dry in 50 years.
Most of them will be dead and glaciers will cover their graves.
What’s left of the worlds population will curse them as they
struggle to survive as growing crops outdoors is not
possible any longer.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Personally, I'd prefer to leave him stranded

The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 12:56PM EST (link)

on one of those “melting” glaciers.

 

Won't do him any good, unless he crashes through the ICE.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 3:01PM EST (link)

n/t

Criterion Chemical was in the black for FY2010!
Not bad considering the forces arrayed against small business these days.
Let’s see about actually making some serious profit this year. Shameless capitalism, by:
www.criterionchemical.com

 
 
 

News Flash!! It's Now "Climate Collapse"!!

Skanderbeg (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 5:39PM EST (link)

I had to tangle with some barking moonbat earlier today, after I had to prod a few people (friendlies actually) about it being -42F around this area this morning and note that “Where’s that ‘global warming.’”

Oh, no. Turns out that the cold snap is also part of the “problem.” It’s evolved from “global warming” to “climate change” to “climate disruption”…. and now to “climate collapse.”

Yep. Anything but the high and low temperatures land smack-dab upon the 30-year NWS mean value is proof of human-induced planet destruction.

I can’t keep up with the adjustments to the “theory” to keep matching the observations.

The more the globe refuses to warm and the climate refuses to change, the harder the barking moonbats scream about being infallible….

Great comment, Skanderbeg.

Steve Maley (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 5:46PM EST (link)

I can’t keep up with the adjustments to the “theory” to keep matching the observations.

If a stopped clock is right twice a day, just think about one that runs infinitely fast: it would be right an infinite number of times per day!

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

Bone Through Nose

Skanderbeg (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 5:53PM EST (link)

Thanks, Vlad. And indeed you’re right about a clock that runs infinitely fast.

Well, I don’t know how to even discuss any of this with such numerically-illiterate moonbats. It’s like trying to discuss modern meteorology with some stone age tribal guy with a bone through his nose from the amazon or new guinea….

Once again, Eurocentrism rears its ugly head... nt

Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, January 17th at 12:04PM EST (link)

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

 
 
 
 

Global Warming

jonathanswift (Diary) Saturday, January 17th at 12:41PM EST (link)

The models in the 1990s that seemed to be predictive certainly merited further review. However, since global temperatures since the year 2000 have fallen, it appears these models were not predictive and making policy based upon projections that did not hold is absurd.

Models always need validation before belief

kc (Diary) Monday, January 19th at 1:01PM EST (link)

Computer models are useful and if you can get one to model at least the highest order of an effect it can help with further study. The mistake is in the belief system that jumps to the conclusion that the model is true when in fact it has not ever been correct. The models continue to show thermal growth as they continue to show CO2 growth but the thermal growth is really a decrease.

The earth climate is very complex, our abiity to model complex things is still in its infancy. This is why I never take a model for the truth. Of course scientists who run models want financial support and they are getting it from the world socialist movement who understand that something does not have to be true to become a political movement. Note that both candidates in the last election were forced to admit that global warming is occurring when in fact neither has the slightest understanding of the math and physics involved. They do know how to listen to a political advisor.

KC –This is still a free country

 
 

Speaking as a conservative scientist ...

lincoln_student Tuesday, January 20th at 7:49AM EST (link)

Speaking as a conservative scientist, I would like to point out the evidence that global warming is real, human-caused, and strategically serious is strong and growing stronger. Surveys of trained climatologists show that 97% of them accept this evidence.

To dismiss this overwhelming scientific consensus as a “hoax” is delusional thinking of an extreme form.

It is a utter disaster for American conservatism that so many conservative leaders have foolishly chosen reject this evidence, and instead have embraced the disinformation that is so prevalent on this thread.

There are many thoughtful American conservatives who understand this: John McCain and Newt Gingrich to name two. Unfortunately, thoughtful conservatives are in a minority nowadays … as hysterical denialism has become the norm in American conservatism.

By fostering denialist hysteria, RedState does a huge disservice to conservatism.

I am glad you categorize yourself as a student

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 7:59AM EST (link)

because you have a lot to learn. When the “consensus” has to finally admit that there is no AGW to speak of, then there will be another created scare. Another false panic, just like the many which came before and never panned out.

Maybe you will realize this as you get older. You see, panics are good money, they are great to get your papers published and to get federal funding.

Simply telling the truth, well, that doesn’t sell as well.

Spare me your concern over the conservative movement. I doubt that all the scientists I listed above listen to Rush Limbaugh.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

I've already checked out this guy's posts, elsewhere.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 8:04AM EST (link)

Not particularly on anybody’s side, probably not a provocateur, has skin in the game when it comes to Iraq, sound on Blackadder.

So you can assume good faith.

 

You're entitled to your opinion

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 8:26AM EST (link)
  1. the diary you’re commenting on is user-created, so it’s not “Redstate” that is doing anything…however…
  2. even if it WAS an official contributor, my guess is they’d have the same opinion
  3. few around here consider John McCain to be the poster child for conservatism, so using his name does nothing for your case. And most of us have written off Newt on that particular position. His other conservative creds do nothing to convince me. You can be a good fiscal, defense, and even social conservative and be dead wrong on one issue.
  4. You’re wasting your breath. Out of the hundreds who do or have post(ed) here, you can count the number who agree with you on one hand.

Oh, and “disinformation” is a matter of opinion. Most of us find the global warmist pseudo-science to be disinformation of the worst kind.

So, to your accusations of “denier”, “hysteria,” and “delusion”, I say to you: kiss off.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

I keep reading this as "you're entitled to your bs"

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:16AM EST (link)

actually… I think it works better that way.

Heh. One could read it that way. :-) [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:35AM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 
 

Huge disservice to conservatism

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 8:54AM EST (link)

On the contrary, RedState is one of the few places that is the voice of reason on this insane topic. Ice is the enemy of man. The greatest human achievements have ocurred during times of warming. This is a natural sun cycle and hysterical global warming fanatics cannot control the world. If this hysteria is left to run rampant it will destroy the America economy while the rest of the world goes forward. I would not want to live in a cold world controlled by China & India.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

Clearly, you failed to read the post...

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:01AM EST (link)

A great many scientists — actual scientists, working in related fields, even — are walking away from the Global Warming myth in droves. And, considering that you are clearly no more (and most likely less) an authority on these matters than those quoted above, your patronizing tone just makes you look like an idiot.

 

Scientific consensus?

antisocial (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:06AM EST (link)

Does not make sense. Is it a Scientific fact? NO. This is a strange term manufactured by the fear-mongers. Global Warming Mafia is coming up with different excuses.

Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!

It's a good general point, you're making, Praveen...

randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:10AM EST (link)

In general, when they can’t win with useful metrics, liberals make up their own. That’s where idiotic things like “job-creation” come from. Seriously… where the hell does the Constitution say the President has to create jobs?

Scientific Consensus… as you said… same thing.

 
 

Really?...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 9:17AM EST (link)

Since your user name implies that you are a student, let’s conduct an elementary exercise in mathematics.

UN Scientists (52)
Dissenting Scientists (650)
92.5% of the scientists reject the conclusions of the UN’s IPCC report.

Even though there were very few actual “climate experts” contributing to the UN’s IPCC report, let’s use the UN ‘s number of scientists for the sake of this exercise.

UN Scientists (52)
Dissenting Climate Experts Who Signed the Manhattan Declaration (197)
79% of climate experts reject the conclusions of the UN’s IPCC report (The actual percentage of dissenting climate experts is much higher).

Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change

Climate Experts Who Signed The Manhattan Declaration

UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

The notion of “hundreds” or “thousands” of UN scientists agreeing to a scientific statement does not hold up to scrutiny. Recent research by Australian climate data analyst John McLean revealed that the IPCC’s peer-review process for the Summary for Policymakers leaves much to be desired. (Note: The 52 scientists who participated in the 2007 IPCC Summary for Policymakers had to adhere to the wishes of the UN political leaders and delegates in a process described as more closely resembling a political party’s convention platform battle, not a scientific process.)

One former UN IPCC scientist bluntly told EPW how the UN IPCC Summary for Policymakers “distorted” the scientists work. “I have found examples of a Summary saying precisely the opposite of what the scientists said,” explained South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

In light of the overwhelming evidence and growing consensus that directly refutes the UN’s conclusion on climate change, you really should consider revising your position.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

"Surveys of trained climatologists show that 97% of them accept this evidence."

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:45AM EST (link)

ROFL. You couldn’t get 97% of any group of anybodies to agree that breathing in and out is a good idea.

“thoughtful conservatives are in a minority nowadays ”

Yes we are and I regret to inform you that your membership application can not be processed at this time.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

Moe is absolutely right ...

lincoln_student Tuesday, January 20th at 10:30AM EST (link)

Moe says: Not particularly on anybody’s side, probably not a provocateur, has skin in the game when it comes to Iraq, sound on Blackadder.

What Moe says is absolutely right. I’m not particularly on anybody’s side, because Mother Nature is not particularly on anybody’s side.

But I’m no student … professionally I’m a quantum systems engineer. And right-versus-left politics aside, the basic science of human-caused global warming is sound … and Mother Nature punishes without mercy all who embrace political fantasies instead of sobering global realities.

As for the claims on this thread, not a single peer-reviewed article has been referenced. That’s a huge warning signal.

Historically, those communities who regard scientific peer review as a “conspiracy” have been … well … delusional. Martin Gardner’s classic Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science is worth reading in this regard.

Bottom Line: Today’s global warming denialists are continuing a long American tradition of ideology-driven nut-jobbery … and they are gravely harming the cause of American conservatism in the process.

Hi. Stop using "denialist." Site moderator talking.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:35AM EST (link)

It cheapens the memory of the Holocaust.

Moe

PS: Learn how to use Reply To This.

And no, you don't get to argue with me on this. NT

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:36AM EST (link)

We crossed paths, apparently [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:37AM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

Signing off, Moe

lincoln_student Tuesday, January 20th at 10:46AM EST (link)

I don’t participate in forums that attempt to control the terms of public debate … it’s contrary to the principles articulated in the Federalist Papers.

So I might as well terminate my RedState account voluntarily.

The pompous die young.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:50AM EST (link)

Rats.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

chuckle

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:55AM EST (link)

I bet he never read them. Plus, you do not appeal to the Federalist Papers as your authority, unless you are the kind of person who thinks the Mishna supersedes the Torah.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

Just as well: people who can't tell the difference between private and public property...

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:02AM EST (link)

…don’t do well here anyway.

 

Gee, first we won't honor your academic creds, then we won't agree with your

janis (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:09AM EST (link)

warnings and admonitions, and finally we demand that you quit calling us names.

Hidebound bunch of neocons, aren’t we? Yes, we are.

 

{ROTLMAO} "... contrary to the principles articulated in the Federalist Papers."

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:30AM EST (link)

Stop it! Stop it! I … can’t … breathe …!

 

Before you go, please help me

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:41AM EST (link)

I need to get to the grocery store because I am snowbound today in Durham, NC. Is there any way you can throw some temporary global warming my way? Or is all this because of global warming?

Anyway, grab some cold Bud and marshamallows, please. Thanks so much. And don’t worry, I remember a time when I felt almost as self-important as you do now. Right before braces, I believe.

 
 
 

Calling names is not recommended

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:36AM EST (link)

Make your point. But cease the insults, or I predict your tenure here will be brief. Using the term “denier” is particularly odorous, due to the implication that those of us who disagree with you are akin to Holocaust deniers.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

I'm a scientist too - a wildlife ecologist

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:40AM EST (link)

And the evidence to support the AGW Hoax is cooked up, and the high-talking theories are unsound, unstudied, and utterly unsupported.

It is left-wing political theater, that is all.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Dude, having a well worn, leather bound edition

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:53AM EST (link)

of all the “Girls Gone Wild “videos does not make you a “wildlife ecologist”

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Research, my man, research

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:57AM EST (link)

A scientist unwilling to diligently check and re-check facts is no kind of true scientist in my opinion.

So, you know, I take one for the team there.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

How in the world do people like you account for all the

janis (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:44AM EST (link)

other epochs in pre-human history where the climate fluctuated to extremes? Multiple ice ages, mulitple warming periods, no fossil fuel burning humans in sight anywhere. So what’s the answer?
Dinosaur flatulence?

janis, I agree with you on your implication that cow

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 10:48AM EST (link)

farts are contributing to GW and that is why I am eating them as fast as I can.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Cows or farts, Tbone?

janis (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:06AM EST (link)

Not clear on which one you were referring to. :-)

roflmao..

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:27AM EST (link)

Cows of course, farts are like liberals,

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:27AM EST (link)

you can’t kill ‘em and eat ‘em only smell ‘em. :-)

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I'm glad you cleared that up, because if it was

janis (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 12:11PM EST (link)

farts, I was going to refuse your SuperBowl Party invitation. Now we’re on and I’ll bring the barbecue sauce. It features large amounts of Tennessee whiskey.

 
 
 
 
 

Bottom line...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Tuesday, January 20th at 11:20AM EST (link)

Among scientists, the Anthropogenic Global Warming “consensus” never existed.

The links I provided up-thread will take you many more places than I expect you’re willing to go. A quick perusal of the list of dissenting climate experts clearly indicates the international component and readily lays waste to your premise that it’s “a long American tradition of ideology-driven nut-jobbery.”

Clearly, I know you really didn’t mean to, but that certainly is an accurate description of a typical global warming acolyte.

And now, as the facts begin to overwhelm the hype, the purveyors of the Man-Made Global Warming Hoax are losing the battle of public opinion as well.

Lucky for us, the “movement” started about a decade too late.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan