Any soldier or law enforcement officer that follows an order they personally believe is unconstitutional is in fact an oath breaker. No matter who tells them to do it. A government that would ask them to defer all thinking to a person instead of the law is laying the groundwork for tyranny.

Practically anybody will act in ways both unlawful or just plain stupid if ordered to do so by someone in authority. This has been proven time after time in study after study. People almost always defer to authority unless they have reached a predetermined decision contrary to the order in advance of the order.

That seems to be the purpose of Oath Keepers. Whether you agree with every point they make or not; the people in and out of law enforcement and/or the military better be asking themselves the same kinds of questions as the Oath Keepers.

Whether or not you sign their pledge you better know your answers to the questions.

It is highly unlikely Hitler could have done what he was able to do if the people of Germany had been asking and answering questions like these in advance.

With the choices he has made in appointments and statements he has made Obama has made his intentions pretty clear.

I am very heartened that others are doing the same.

If the civil officers of the federal government had been asking and acting on questions like these we would not have the mess we have today.

Instead we are stuck with a federal government that no longer bothers to even try to defend it’s unconstitutional acts.

Which branch of the federal government can be trusted to adhere to the constitution?
Not One.

Would but that every government employee would hold the constitution up as a guide.

I see the mere existence of the Oath Keepers as not so much a preparation for an imminent Constitutional crisis as it is a political statement that there are going to be limits to the authority that the government will be allowed to exercise. It’s a little like someone saying, “We oppose the government in power, but we will use the ballot box to effect change rather than violence, unless you use force on us or try to take away our means of self defense, in which case we will use force on you.”

Chris Matthews tried on Hardball yesterday to paint them as a militia group, asking under what circumstances the Oath Keepers would be called together to oppose the government: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#33404543

I think this phenomenon ties in with what Glenn Beck referred-to as “the Bubba Effect”, a situation in which GIs have been using the Internet to tell each other that if they are ever called-on to fire on US citizens, they will refuse.

If you look at the radical changes that have been perpetrated on this country in the past couple of years, fears by many that the worst is yet to come and that a point may be reached where a significant number of people think that the country has been subverted to the point of being lost are growing, not receding.

In a way, the Oath Keepers can be viewed as something of a safety valve. If the public thinks the enforcement arm of the government will think twice before acting against them, they are less likely to become paranoid about the situation.

As a commissioned officer you are appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate (yes, this is true for even second lieutenants), and you serve at the pleasure of the President.

Your oath reads:

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

If you’ve taken this oath with mental reservations about the intentions of the President, you’ve already violated your oath. So you aren’t an “oath taker” but an “oath breaker.”

For enlisted men the rules are even clearer.

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Note there isn’t an exception here for “except what some Ron Paul acolyte tells me I shouldn’t do because he thinks it is unconstitutional.”

This movement, to the extent that it is one, strikes at the heart of the relationship our military has had with the nation since 1775. Nothing good can come out of it.

Politically, giving this “movement” anything other than the boot is going to link our candidates to troofers, birthers, the black helicopter/ZOG aficionados, the Bilderburgs, the Illuminati, and heaven knows what else.

Just read what these clowns profess

and imagine a smallpox epidemic breaking out in a large city where logic dictates, and law permits, that you quarantine the city. Imagine a nuclear weapon going off and the necessity for quarantining a city to prevent radioactive materials being tracked about. How about a freakin insurrection? Jose Padilla?

We haven’t made a site decision, yet, on how to treat this phenomenon. My vote will be that we treat it the same way we treat racists and Paul-for-president types.

“Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.”

That would be the United States Armed Forces, commonly referred to as “the greatest military force in human history.” It’s not as black and white as it appears but, its still capable of sending a chill down my spine. The only thing standing between that force and our liberty is their Oath to the Constitution of these United States and their loyalty to that Oath.

Where do Obama’s Czars loyalties lie? Who would you trust, one of the Czars or a member of the Oath Keepers? Would you invite Kevin Jennings into your home to have supper with your family? How about a Soldier, policeman, firefighter who also happens to believe in the principals that made us free?

For reasons by turn practical, financial and also in a way political, I can’t leave and wouldn’t. I have a lot invested here in terms of my business and I actually love the town I live in (it’s a beautiful place, on a beautiful lake).

When I moved here from Chicago a few years ago, I hadn’t realized how badly lawful gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters had been treated in the previous decade by the various administrations and the Legislature. I did some reading once I arrived and I was frankly horrified by what has transpired here. A good capsule history is available at GOAL (in my sig. line).

On one level, I don’t want to leave this place because I love it, and on another I don’t want to leave because I think it’s important to stand and fight for a cause you believe in: the right to keep and bear arms under the 2nd Amendment. There are states in this country that are arguably as bad as Massachusetts — New Jersey and California, and also New York, and I hope people there will stay and fight as well. I think it’s important that we don’t cede these parts of the country to the gun-grabbers and the inexplicably tyrannical.

Massachusetts is the state of the Minutemen, who were some of the most crucial Armed Citizens in this country’s history. It’s tragic that so few people here today are willing to fight to defend their rights, even less to do so in an articulate and legally sophisticated and responsible fashion, but the ones who are willing are some of the best.

No, I intend to stay, and to carry on that fight with my friends from GOAL and the NRA here in Massachusetts. We have a long and historically important tradition of armed citizens here in this land, and I intend to help maintain it for future generations.

But I do love to visit the South, and if we can survive this “Mother Of All Global Warmings” winter, I definitely will visit in the Spring.

Bill “Pay or Play” Richardson

Tom “I didn’t know the limo was a perk” Daschle

“TurboTax” Geithner

Nancy “I didn’t know I had to pay taxes” Killefer

Vann “Because They’re ***holes” Jones

Luis (Louis) “Why Tell The New Yorkers” Caldera

Kevin “I hope you used a condom” Jennings

Yosi “Let’s Set Up A Propaganda Mill Via The Arts” Sergant

Anita “I love Chairman Mao and we control the media” Dunn

Lobbyists: (H/T http://www.thebarackobamawatch.com/STAFFING.html )
- Jan 26, 2009 – To date at least a dozen former lobbyists have been appointed top jobs in President Obama’s administration. A list of these people are
-Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby for Global Crossing Co.
-Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005
-Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as on behalf of the National Education Association.
-William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby for defense contractor Raytheon.
-Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union
-William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.
-David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
-Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby Goldman Sachs.
-Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby for Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.
-Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for Angliss International in 2003.
-Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied for the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.
-Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.

Joe “I Know I Have A Much Higher IQ Than You” Biden

This list could go on, and on, and on.

Oh, and I’m an Oath Keeper. My oath to support the Constitution of the United States and to obey the legal orders of my superior officers came with no expiration date.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

All in all, I’d trust the local law to do the right thing. “The right thing” being what I consider as correct. I know this because I know many of them have already had this discussion. They don’t agree with the current administration, but would have to think long and hard before disobeying their orders. As it should be. As it must be.

And then, much of my work in the past year in mailing has come from producing and mailing fundraisers for Policemen’s Benevolent Associations, to support their local activities and strengthen the ties they have in their communities. I did that work with a lot of pride, because I believe in a strong partnership between citizens and law enforcement to keep the peace and uphold the law.

Then my local Chief turns out to be a big, honkin’ criminal who isn’t only hurting the township, but he undermined everything I believe in when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. It has a way of damaging one’s faith.

A simple pledge amonst the military and police classes that they will not take arms against their countrymen to follow orders deemed unconstitutional seems welcome to me. Whose the arbiter of what is unconstitutional is difficult, but I think some obvious cases.

I doubt anything will ever come. I also doubt the second amendment will ever be needed, but they are symbolic statements not to just of beaurocratic elite, but to the world. Its also a psychological blow to those with nefarious motives. Obama’s minions have a new domestic army in mind (remember that bombshell, I’m convinced Obama forgot where he was)

America is a free country, born from the bottom up, protected from the bottom up. That’s the way we’ve always protected ourselves. Our pioneer spirit lives.

Gives some Ivy Leaguers and UN beaurocrats something to think about. Plus, it will give Morris Dees a heart attack

His interim successor seems to be a trustworthy and honest officer, and is running the department well, but that was a major shock to me and everyone who lives here.

I’ve had a hard time sleeping at night if I think too much about the trustworthiness of local law enforcement, in other words. Then I start thinking about the trustworthiness of some of our state officials, and some of our national officials, and it doesn’t take much more to develop a good case of the hives.