Moving Terrorist Detainees to Virginia


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According to the Washington Post, the Obama Administration is pushing to transfer some of the terrorist detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba into the Commonwealth of Virginia for trial in a U.S. federal criminal court. (See Daily Virginia Roundup, The Washington Post, 08/04/09; Security Worries in the Suburbs, The Washington Post, 03/25/09) The Post has speculated that these detainees may be tried in the federal courts in Alexandria. However, regardless of exactly where in Virginia these detainees end up, I am strongly opposed to the idea of bringing any of these terrorists into the Commonwealth, and even more strongly opposed to the very concept of using criminal prosecution to fight the War Against Terrorism. I believe this Administration plan, if implemented, would: ignore the benefit of using Guantanamo Bay; impede our conduct in that war; be cost-prohibitive to our government and physically dangerous to our citizenry; be largely ineffective in punishing these terrorists; and be totally unprecedented in U.S. history. And as Attorney General of Virginia, I promise that I will do all that I can to stop the Administration from implementing this plan.

First of all, part of the benefit of having a facility such as Guantanamo Bay is to hold people such as terrorist detainees. It is the ideal location. It is isolated from civilian populations and it is impossible to escape from.

Second, moving these detainees to the Commonwealth would impede our conduct of the War Against Terrorism. The fact is this nation is currently at war with Islamic jihadist groups worldwide, including but not limited to al Qaeda, who seek to force the entire world’s population to convert to their own extreme branch of Islam. As a nation at war we are utilizing our military to physically attack our enemies, to gather intelligence, to detain captured opponents until the fighting is done, and to prevent future enemy attacks. This is what our military is trained to do. However, by transferring these Gitmo detainees to our criminal courts for prosecution, the Obama Administration will be asking the military to perform law enforcement functions in the War Against Terrorism. Thus, our military will be forced to retrain its officers to read Miranda warnings to detainees captured on the battlefield before interrogating them, to use warrants from the court system, and to learn how to gather evidence without violating any detainee’s “rights.” This is not what they are currently trained to do, and it is not what they should be asked to do.

Third, moving these detainees is both cost-prohibitive to our government and physically dangerous to our citizenry. As the Washington Post has noted, the Alexandria trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, who was convicted of conspiring in the attacks of Sept, 11, 2001, “turned the neighborhood into a virtual encampment, with heavily armed agents, rooftop snipers, bomb-sniffing dogs, blocked streets, identification checks and a fleet of television satellite trucks.” (Security Worries in the Suburbs, The Washington Post, 03/25/09) All of these measures cost a great deal of money for the City of Alexandria, and all of these measures were for the prosecution of only one terrorist. According to the Post, “(c)ity officials and some legislators are concerned that terror trials would take years, shut down roads and cost millions and could invite attacks from terrorist sympathizers. Business owners in the dense area around the courthouse — newly filled with hotels, restaurants and luxury apartments — fear disruptions amid a declining economy.” Id. The physical danger to our citizenry is also not to be dismissed. Let us not forget the U.S. trial of Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, a co-founder of al-Qaeda, who was prosecuted for his participation in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings, which killed hundreds of people in truck bomb explosions at the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. As a defendant in the civilian criminal trial in the U.S., Salim was given great access to his lawyers and he used this access to attempt an unsuccessful escape that resulted in physical injuries to two guards, one of whom was permanently maimed in the assault.

Fourth, moving these detainees into the U.S. court system would not be a very effective strategy in fighting and punishing the terrorists. It has been tried before – during the 1990’s – and been found wanting. Andy McCarthy, who was a Manhattan criminal prosecutor of terrorists in the 1990’s, has written numerous op-eds, columns, and even an entire book on the failure of using criminal prosecution to fight terrorism. Regarding the 1993 World Trade Center prosecutions he has stated “while the government managed to prosecute many people responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing, many also escaped prosecution because of the limits on civilian criminal prosecution. Some who contributed to the attack, like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, continued to operate freely because they were beyond the system’s capacity to apprehend. Abdul Rahman Yasin was released prematurely because there was not sufficient evidence to hold him — he fled to Iraq, where he was harbored for a decade (and has never been apprehended).” (Obama’s America Is September 10th America, National Review Online, 06/16/08) Overall, McCarthy has noted that “we used the criminal justice system as our principal enforcement approach … for eight years — from the bombing of the World Trade Center until the shocking destruction of that complex on 9/11. During that timeframe, while the enemy was growing stronger and attacking more audaciously, we managed to prosecute successfully less than three dozen terrorists (29 to be precise). And with a handful of exceptions, they were the lowest ranking of players.” Id.

Finally, moving these detainees into the U.S. criminal court system is historically unprecedented. The Constitution, the court system it has created, and the individual rights it protects, are specifically intended for the benefit of American citizens and/or legal residents (who receive similar rights). Detainees captured on a foreign battlefield, including all the men held in Guantanamo, are, of course, in neither category. During World War II, the U.S. held millions of German combatants within the territorial U.S., and none of them were ever afforded the benefits that come with a criminal trial. In fact, in over two hundred years of history, the U.S. has never once afforded foreign enemy combatants such benefits.

As a candidate for public office, I feel obligated to express my opposition to the possible transfer and trial of these Gitmo detainees in the Commonwealth of Virginia. And if I am elected Attorney General, I will explore any legal options we might have to resist this ill-considered, certainly expensive and possibly dangerous Administration plan.


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Let's hope this gets hung around Deeds's neck

bk (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 11:45AM EST (link)

If he says he opposes it, then it must mean he’s opposed to closing Gitmo right? That’ll help him with lefties. If he favors VA taking them, he can kiss moderates good-bye.

 

The potential for "technical" errors causing Not Guilty Verdict's

USNJIMRET (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 11:52AM EST (link)

is, almost all by itself, sufficient reason to NOT do this.
However, I believe that the terrorism potential to the civilian communities in the areas around both holding facilities AND the court house itself is glossed over to easily by most.
Shades of the movie Old West, and terrorists ‘gangs’ seeking to “break out” their cohort, Or ‘simply’ attacking random civilian soft targets in the community.
Perhaps an over reaction to “only” one potential circumstance.
But a circumstance that needs NOT be chanced.
And, IMO, one that should not be chanced.

 

Virginia/America can handle this

mallcopsaysno Monday, September 14th at 12:07PM EST (link)

Some of these points are well-taken. Sure it’s a circus when high profile individuals go on trial. See Simpson, OJ. And sometimes the criminal justice system doesn’t work as well as it should. Again, see Simpson, OJ.

But the prison camp at GITMO is deeply flawed. It would be convenient to believe everyone there was apprehended while wiring IEDs or reloading grenade launchers, but I’ve read otherwise. Given the reality that for whatever reason we grabbed some people who clearly don’t deserve to be locked up in Cuba, we should honestly consider each individual’s case in our search for justice. This search for justice will best be undertaken in our American justice system. It won’t be perfect, but it will be better than what we got.

Lock up the guilty. Deport the innocent.

Why are you even here at RedState?

janis (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 12:16PM EST (link)

Every time you comment, you sound like a lefty talking-points memo. And you are dumb enough to quote CNN as a legitimate news source on something like Gitmo? Puhleeze…..

Shoo….

Ad hominem = weak

mallcopsaysno Monday, September 14th at 12:28PM EST (link)

Lock up the guilty. Deport the innocent.

Pursue justice and ignore the Left.

 
 

You were told to apologize, chickenhawker.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 12:31PM EST (link)

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/08/30/so-the-dnc-declares-that-cheneys-a-proponent-of-torture/#comment-21430

You really should have done as you were told, chickenhawker.

 

mallcopsaysno is Olberman's screen name on RS

Scope (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 12:31PM EST (link)

or at least that’s who it sounds like, Then again, it could be Maureen Dowd’s.

 
 

Thank you for posting here at Redstate, our soon to be Atty Gen. Cuccinelli

Scope (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 12:25PM EST (link)

Here in the Orange County area of VA, I have not seen one Deeds sign, and, I don’t even know who the D candidate for Atty Gen is. Mr. Cuccinelli, you have my vote, as well as my husbands and most of his co-workers. There are McDonnell and Cuccinelli signs everywhere. You are rock stars here in my parts. I welcome the taking back of the Commonwealth into experienced, responsible, and capable hands. You will have alot of cleaning up to do after Tim Kaine. It is most likely Kaine, the current part-time Governor, and head of the DNC that offered up the great state of Virginia to the current Liberals in Washington as a place to park the terriorists. That cannot happen.

 

Let them come. The damage is done, the only new damage will be to Obama.

archer52 Monday, September 14th at 2:05PM EST (link)

He wants it, he’s the President, let him have it, and all the negative impact that will come with it.

The left claims they can handle terrorists like regular prisoners. So far, their record has been, well, somewhat quirky. We’ve released one set to the Bahamas, others back to foreign countries after bribes and I think are set to send another group to a south seas island, again after some bribery.

So I say come on in. Try to maintain control over a set of homicidal terrorists in a commonwealth that has moved left for ten years or better. Nothing would be a better wake up call than the daily reference by the news to the fact they are sharing their great state with murderers of innocents. All because Obama wants us to be sensitive to their issues, just has he said in a speech right after 9/11.

Go ahead, then get ready to paint out all the “D”s on the desks of the representatives in the House and Senate.

Sometimes when the other side is busy shooting itself in the foot, the best thing to do is get out of the way.

Archer, you have a point.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, September 15th at 12:32AM EST (link)

As long as they don’t escape, or worse yet, have an attempted escape involving a para-military force from outside the prison.

That can’t happen at Gitmo.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

I thought there was an existing law against bringing terrorists

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, September 15th at 12:52AM EST (link)

into the United States. Did they repeal that for Obama?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Very important info

mosander Tuesday, September 15th at 6:57AM EST (link)

Ken, I met you Sunday. Still looking for your email to send you some interesting information. Anyway, I think the detainess have been in Norfolk since May of this year. During stop at Waterside Marina in the Elizabeth River, my husband and I noticed a floating barge some 4 stories high that looked like a jail with concertina wire and military guards armed with machine guns at each corner. The local marine police confirmed that persons there detainess awaiting trial but did not specify Gitmo per se but what else would they be??

 

Sic Semper Tyrannis

abbynormal Tuesday, September 15th at 10:11AM EST (link)

Excellent article, Mr. Cuccinelli. I’m just a housewife, but understand the importance of keeping terrorists and enemy combatants from being brought to, and tried on U.S. soil. You’ve stated the reasons well, and your article deserves wider dissemination.

It is vital that Virginians work toward a strong conservative electorate for our Commonwealth; an electorate committed to strengthening our State’s rights, our State’s prosperity, and the security of her people. I, and the women in my Republican Women’s group, am supporting you and Bob McDonnell in this election, and will count on you to staunchly protect and defend the citizens of Virginia once you’re elected. God willing, we will at least be able to minimize the train wreck coming out of Washington.