The principle is the same, the application to a different level.
IOW, if it is a bad idea now, it was also a bad idea in 2003.

The Democrats DO NOT NEED REPUBLICANS TO PASS LEGISLATION.

Let ‘em own it. Let ‘em own it for the next 2 generations.

the people to read for themselves side-by-side,,,Be a great idea. These explanations sound very strainedand a loser. Why? defensive–GOP on the defensive. Better to let the peopl decide.AND use the occasion to slam theDonks “no-bill” townhalls. TEll the peoplke that there is either no bill ready or the bill isdone but being hidden.
This is what Obam is doing arguing something he has not read nor has anything else. It is what Daschle said went wrong with HilaryCare. Too much info! Just pass the skeleton, the enabling legislation then add everything in when it is too late to thwart.it.
Exactly according to plan. Also Harry Reid has promised passage in committee with an allowed 50 + 1 vote.

I want nothing to do with socialized medicine nor Obamacare but this is not correct.

“Anyone who understands this issue would find this comparison idiotic,” said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. “Hospice care is, by definition, for people who are already close to death.”

I have been a hospice nurse for 7 years. Hospice is way more than taking care of people close to death. Having advanced directives in place needs to be done long before a person is in the middle of death and dying. Imagine how the Terry Schavio case could have gone if she had her advanced directives in place and her wishes in writing.

American citizens already have the best health care insurance programs in the world and more than 90% are satisfied with the coverage available to them. People from around the Globe come to America for health care, not the other way around.

So, why the need to DISMANTLE this world envied and renowned coverage? Is it to cover the 15 to 20 million non Americans that live in the country illegally for political reason? Is it to cover the 2 to 3 million who do not have and can not afford health care coverage for political reasons? Or, is it so Government and political parties can further control your life style and have unelected bureaucrats and czars make the decisions for us based on political party preferences and voting habits?

At present there is NO statement in any proposed health reform that specifically states that NON-CITIZENS will NOT be entitled to this socialized universal health care government program. WHY?

Obama socialized universal health care and government run program, is a complete dismantling of the best health care system in the world. Other than an attempt to further control of our lives and give coverage to 15 to 20 million illegal residents it makes no sense.

Wake up people, these Senators and House Members with their respective political parties, the media and lobbyists are not looking out for our interests, but rather the interest of 15 to 20 million illegal residents. This is yet another example of UN-AMERICAN!

“Yes, Republicans voted for end-of-life services for the terminally ill; Democrats on the other hand want to treat every senior citizen as terminally ill.”

…we don’t need for the dems to say that they have deathcare panels. The policy they have in the bill will eventually turn into those and they know it. In fact, they can’t wait for that to happen.

‘The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill’.
The 2003 provision is for ‘terminally ill patients’ and Section 1233 of 2009 House bill is to ‘expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill’.’ The former is at death’s door and the latter are for all people, alive and well every five years and the terminally ill. The former is voluntary and the latter is only ‘voluntarily receive’ but mandatory by monetary incentive to the one giving the counseling. Section 1233 is just one of the panelist of the ‘death panels’ in the House bill.

‘The only difference between the 2003 provision and the infamous Section 1233 that threatens the very future and moral sanctity of the Republic is that the first applied only to terminally ill patients. Section 1233 would expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill’.
The 2003 provision is for ‘terminally ill patients’ and Section 1233 of 2009 House bill is to ‘expand funding so that people could voluntarily receive counseling before they become terminally ill’.’ The former is at death’s door and the latter are for all people, alive and well every five years and the terminally ill. The former is voluntary and the latter is only ‘voluntarily receive’ but mandatory by monetary incentive to the one giving the counseling. Section 1233 is just one of the panelist of the ‘death panels’ in the House bill.

Found this article at American Thinker-

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/death_panel_is_not_in_the_bill.html

My husband and I were having a conversation last night about the fact that we both try to keep up with as much as possible with respect to what this administration is up to, but, I said it is the things that are going on and happening behind the scenes that are even more freightening, such as the Czars that have no oversight, and function in the background. Today, I read the above linked article, which can easily be proven to be truth, and find just such a case. Was anyone else aware that the “rationing” organization was already in place, with funding to the tune of $1.1 billion dollars, with Dr. Death-Ezekiel Emmanuel having a prominent role? Was that one of the fill-in-the-blanks allowed in the Stimulus Bill? Are items such as this why most of the Stimulus money has been put on hold? Dumb question but, wasn’t the Stimulus money supposed to create gazillions of jobs, for shovel ready projects, that would keep the unemployment rate below 8%? Obviously we have been shoveled a bunch of bullcrap, yet again.

can they repeal these outrageous funding bills, Czars, and any other liberal agendas put in place? Can we stop this, should it get passed in any form?

Michael Steel said “the Democrats’ new government takeover of health care legislation would offer this counseling to every senior on Medicare.”

It doesn’t “offer” it, the bill MANDATES it.

I have personally dealt with Hospice and a dying relative. There was no end of life counseling. The doctor signed a prescriptioin for my stepfather to receive Hospice care and they came in and tried to make him comfortable and explained the medication protocol to us. They did not counsel us on helping to end his life, just how to make him comfortable and not to give him any medications they provided without their permission. The Hospice nurse came as soon as she could when I called Hospice to let them know he had passed away. We were very grateful for their help. He wanted to die at home with family and friends surrounding him and not in a cold hospital room.

[quote]Hospice care is, by definition, for people who are already close to death.[/quote]

To be more precise, hospice care is when the patient’s own doctor, and the hospice doctor, both agree that the patient most likely has less than six months to live.

There are certain things that we can do for a patient when in hospice care that we cannot do before that time.

And it is worth noting that hospice care is always less costly to everyone involved than ICU care. Plus the patient has a better quality of life. I should think that it is a Good Thing that the patient is told about this option, which any good doctor already does.

But should the law REQUIRE the doctor to do so?