The fallout from David Lecherman’s raunchy and sexist attack on 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her daughters has yet to settle, but already a silver lining has appeared around the mushroom cloud lingering over such attacks, which have become common from the left.
Until Gov. Palin stood her ground and declared that Creepy Dave apologize to young girls everywhere, liberal feminists had remained silent in the wake of attacks on conservative women, their children and their values. Now an increasing number of them have been pushed to the point where they can remain silent no more. Those women who truly believe in the principles of feminism have been forced to choose between their feminist ideals and the sort of political tactics taught by Saul Alinsky and other radical leftists.
Jill Stanek calls our attention to a Salon op-ed by Amanda Fortini:
“If there was any question that a stubborn strain of old-school sexism persists in Obama’s America, one has only to look at certain leaders of what the right wing loves to call the “liberal media” but which is sounding and acting, recently, more like the frat-house media. There, like a virus hiding in the body before, perhaps, staging a comeback, misogyny has found a place to lurk almost undetected, at least by the usually sharp eyes of progressive feminists.”
Perhaps it was the timing of the one-two punch that has served to open the eyes of some liberal feminists:
“A week before these remarks aired, there was an uglier outbreak of the contagion in the pages of Playboy — never a bastion of egalitarian forward thinking, but still — where writer Guy Cimbalo published a list of 10 conservative women he’d like to “hate f___,” a term that various observers interpreted as rough sex, sex tinged by rage, or rape.”
Whatever it is that’s rousing some “progressive” women from the narcolepsy attacks which seemed to strike them whenever conservative women were attacked by liberal beta males, we men of the alpha variety can only say that it is about time.
Meanwhile, the editors of the Augusta Chronicle find it significant that both the conservative Concerned Women for America and the liberal National Organization for Women have condemned Creepy Dave Lecherman for his crude, sexist joke made at the expense of Gov. Sarah Palin’s daughter.
But young women, say the editors, are just collateral damage in the attacks that the late night talk show host and his media cohorts routinely level against traditional values and those who advocate them:
“In short, it’s open season on conservatives — and their children are fair game. Ever since Gov. Palin arrived on the national scene, the liberal media have been desperate to tear her down. Someone so engaging, popular and conservative can’t be allowed to gain political power. The media seemed to want to nip that in the bud.”
And if they have to use young women to lash out at rising conservative stars, then they can laugh it off as “It was just a joke.” That sounds disturbing similar to another liberal refrain, one from the Clinton years that went something like, “It was just about sex.”
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Don't forget that Hillary Clinton was Creepy Dave's fav target for years
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 6:59AM EST (link)n/t
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
NOW and other women's groups
bags64 Monday, June 15th at 7:02AM EST (link)lost all credibility with me for their lack of presence during the Clinton years.
They are a shell of an organization that means nothing these days to the overwhelmingly vast majority of women.
on the other hand, it shows how bad Letterman's comments were
bk (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 7:26AM EST (link)when NOW feels they can’t just pretend like they didn’t happen
Too little too late.
NeoKong (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 7:30AM EST (link)I agree.
They have no credibility on this and are only trying to appear relevant .
They couldn’t care less about Sarah Palin as this is like the 1,000th time she has been attacked in this way. All they have done is issue a very weak statement so they don’t look like the complete DNC advocacy groups that they are.
If the tables were reversed and it was a conservative on the hot seat like Rush Limbaugh these people would be on every T.V. network every day for a week screaming bloody murder.
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Dave is using this to build his ratings
Greg (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 7:34AM EST (link)It only draw in more left wingers, but it ratings and thats all CBS cares about…
There's a Price for Doing That Though
IJB Monday, June 15th at 8:55AM EST (link)I would assume you’re probably correct in your assumption.
But there will be a penalty for doing that – Letterman now will lose access to any right-of-center guests (granted, he has almost none of those to begin with anyway), and he’ll also start to lose any principled Hollywood feminists as guests too (granted, there aren’t many of those either).
Also, it can be assumed that right-of-center viewers will now abandon Letterman permanently for Conan O’Brien. (Granted, I don’t think there were too many of those left watching Letterman these days either – I know I haven’t watched his show in over a decade…)
And it may cost Letterman advertisers which, when push comes to shove, are more important than viewers.
It will also cause CBS to take a prestige hit, which may start to bother Les Moonves.
Indeed there is a price...
furious (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 10:03AM EST (link)…if CBS wants to follow the downward trajectory of CNN and MSNBC vs. Fox:
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
Hitting CBS where it really hurts.
Sharp_Right_Turn Monday, June 15th at 11:12AM EST (link)Most of CBS’s producers care a hell of a lot more about how many sponsors pull out of the show than how many viewers. Shows can survive with low ratings but they can’t survive without evil capitalist sponsor dollars. What got Don Imus canned wasn’t a boycott of the show. It was the boycott of the commercial entities that sponsored Imus’s show. No matter how many heart felt apologies Imus made, he ended up getting fired because of the sponsor pullouts. And it bears mentioning that Don Imus was the number one nationally syndicated morning radio program at the time of his firing.
I sent over a dozen emails to CBS producers and sponsors stating that I will not longer (not that I ever did) watch Letterman’s program or purchase products and/or services from its sponsors. I’ve yet to receive a reply from CBS but I definitely received replies from their advertisers. Some went as far as to vehemently deny their affiliation with the show and implored me to reconsider my actions. Some apologized and said the matter was being handled by the proper channels and they too begged me to reconsider.
Bear in mind that, unlike a liberal scorned, I don’t want Letterman fired. I couldn’t care less. I gain nothing from his being unemployed. I do think he should be held accountable and be reprimanded when he says or does something stupid or offensive.
Agreed, and after calling my local CBS....
furious (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 11:30AM EST (link)…affiliate’s GM and telling him that CBS’s late night line-up is dead to us AND that I was calling the advertisers on his late-night lineup…
…I called some of his advertisers. For the Embassy Suites and Best Western PR folks it was “Hello Hampton Inn!” and for Mars & Co. it was “Hello, Cadbury!”.
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader
Yep, people tend to follow the golden rule,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 12:29PM EST (link)at least as rendered by Peter O’Toole in Creator:
He who has the gold makes the rules.
And CBS doesn’t have the gold, the sponsors do. Even the ones who bought block as opposed to placement advertising, or whatever excuse they are using to try to keep buyers coming back these days.
I'm sure that was the original idea...but it's backfiring
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:25PM EST (link)Ratings are only a proxy for what CBS really cares about and that’s advertising revenue. If the Letterman show becomes a vehicle to lose one third of your customers in hopes of gaining some marginal business, then most advertisers are going to walk.
Anyway, at some point, this “no publicity is bad publicity” is going to wear off. Letterman will be back to being boring old Dave. Once his ratings settle back to their steady-state, he’ll be without a third of his pre-joke audience.
Sarah has the ability to "tell it like it is"
smitch61 Monday, June 15th at 10:30AM EST (link)And the electorate will listen…. Next time around the voters will have nothing to do with the Washington elite…
Furious, thanks for posting that article,,, I think quite a few Americans are realizing that by turning on those networks, they are receiving half the information out there. They are beginning to seek it out.
Palin upon further review
Sharp_Right_Turn Monday, June 15th at 4:17PM EST (link)All of my liberal friends and colleagues not only dislike Palin. They flat out loathe her to the point where they almost seem enraptured by their disdain for her. I’ve heard her called everything from a trophy bimbo, an idiot, even ugly. When I point out that Palin has more in common with them than any Clinton or Obama (such as she didn’t go to an elite school, she’s self-made, self sufficient, and successful in the private sector with a husband who is a union member) they go ballistic. I haven’t seen this much vitriol since Ronald Reagan ran for President in 1980.
Remember that Reagan was portrayed by the media as being a moronic, uncultured, classless, clueless buffoon who would make nuclear armageddon imminent. Don’t think for a second that the general voting public won’t give Palin another look, especially after unemployment reaches 15%, an overseas adversary embarrasses America in an international incident, and gas becomes $10 a gallon. All the Obama adulation and Bush hatred in the world won’t save him from his incompetence.
This Obama love-in is the big shindig before the hangover. When everything gets blown to hell, America will seriously consider a Mormon or even a governor from Alaska for that matter.
Letterman is a moron but so are we if we think this is a "political" story
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 11:43AM EST (link)Are we now stupid and desperate enough to believe that NOW thinks any better of Sarah Palin and conservatives or any less of Barack Obama, liberals and the Democrats?
Get real!
Ultimately, I don’t think this is going to amount to anything whatsoever in terms of political impact. Yes, what David Letterman said was reprehensible: as I mentioned in another thread, even my liberal Democratic friends take offense at his “joke.” But they are still liberal Democrats. After all is said and done, I don’t think the Democrats will lose one vote nor the Republicans gain one vote over this.
Again, I condemn Letterman’s comments and would boycott his sponsors: that is, I would if I watched his show enough to know who his sponsors are. But I think we are being ridiculous if we think this episode is going to change or affect the political equation.
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Zoot: Oh yes, it can.
Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 12:07PM EST (link)Look, this won’t change liberal minds … but Independent minds are another matter altogether. Where do you think the bulk of swing voters get most of their exposure to politics? Entertainment.
The issue here is that most liberal entertainers and media personalities have long felt no compunction about smearing and attacking Republicans, their families and their supporters. e.g. take a look at Megan Fox’s recent spewing of idiocy at middle America.
Mushies absorb this on a daily basis.
Liberals don’t see Conservatives as human … and unfortunately this has bled out into popular entertainment with no protest from the Right. David Letterman thinks it’s funny to joke about a 14 year old girl engaging in sexual congress with an adult man in a stadium. Playboy thinks it’s funny to run an article by a disturbed beta male fantasizing about raping ten women.
And all on account of politics.
Imagine if a talk show host were to make a joke of Ashley Biden’s video-taped snorting of cocaine? Would his house not be surrounded by sneering and jeering “reporters” even at this moment?
To me, David Letterman deserves to be hit with more than a boycott – which often fizzle out within a week. I would want the Palins to go nuclear. An advertising campaign against Letterman would be a start – I’d bet contributions to see it done would cross the million mark within two weeks.
I have yet to see the evidence that issues like this change the minds of any "independent" voters
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:58PM EST (link)It gets us “red meat” conservatives riled up — which, in case I am misunderstood, is not a bad thing — but I don’t see it changing the votes or even the political leanings of anyone.
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What have you seen evidence for?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:16PM EST (link)And what evidence satisfies you? What CNN says?
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ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:44PM EST (link)Can you name one person whose political leanings or affiliations were changed because of this?
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Just answer this one question, Zoot:
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:51PM EST (link)Which do you admire most, a person who sits quietly and takes abuse or a person who stands up, looks their abuser in the eye and calmly and efficiently and CONSISTENTLY fights back?
Polite squishes will not woo anyone to our side. Having principles and fighting for them will. WIll this episode change any votes? I have no idea and don’t really care. What I do care about is that we are perceived to be people who care deeply about what we believe in and will defend those beliefs with vigor and passion, especially when attacked.
janis, you're not reading what I am actually writing!!!!!!
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:02PM EST (link)For the umpteenth time, I am not saying we should not fight back. But the reason we should fight back in this instance is because Letterman’s “joke” was offensive regardless of one’s political leanings. Yes, it is a fight but what political principle are we fighting for?
Wouldn’t Letterman’s “joke” be just as offensive if it were made against Michelle Obama and her daughters or Hillary Clinton and Chelsea?
Yes, make certain that Letterman and the general public know that they cannot make such “jokes” against conservatives with impunity. I’m for that and believe I said so previously. But the idea that somehow conservatives are going to make political gains out of this is, to me at least, silly.
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I don't believe that I have said that we are going to
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:14PM EST (link)make political gains over this. For me, it’s not about the politics of the thing, but the rightness of standing up and fighting against the kneejerk perception of the left that they can say whatever they want about us with impunity and we have to just take it.
If we are not willing to let them frame the argument anymore, then I see no reason why we should let them frame who we are and how we should behave when they choose to insult us. The fact that NOW finally and begrudgingly said something doesn’t impress me in the slightest, but I suppose it’s better late than never at all. As far as I’m concerned, they should be everlastingly ashamed of themselves for not defending Governor Palin last fall or Carrie Prejean this past spring.
The political principle is simply self-defense
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:15PM EST (link)To see Letterman mock a conservative leader in disgusting fashion on national television and not to respond would leave the public with the idea that what Letterman did was both accurate and acceptable. Not that we should punch back against every small, ordinary slight, but this insult was neither small nor ordinary.
There may or may not be a political gain, but we should make sure there isn’t a political loss.
Exactly, icbm. That's what I'm saying. n/t
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:22PM EST (link).
The political principle is simply self-defense
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:15PM EST (link)To see Letterman mock a conservative leader in disgusting fashion on national television and not to respond would leave the public with the idea that what Letterman did was both accurate and acceptable. Not that we should punch back against every small, ordinary slight, but this insult was neither small nor ordinary.
There may or may not be a political gain, but we should make sure there isn’t a political loss.
Body blows can take their toll
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 12:40PM EST (link)Conservatives have to stop taking these types of body blows and start delivering some of our own.
Will this, by itself, change the political balance? No.
Did any individual repeating of the “failed policies of the Bush administration” meme change the political balance? Likely not. Did the endless repetition? Undoubtedly. When prior to the election I would press someone that said they were voting Democratic or for Obama, the answer would normally be along the lines of “It’s gotta be better.”
Conservatives have to fight for the subconcious of the American voter punch by punch.
(Oh, and I was very surprised to see NOW come out against Letterman. NOW places leftist power way before defending women. I suppose it’s just a sign of the egregious unacceptability of Letterman’s joke that NOW condemned it.)
Actually, as a conservative myself ...
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:06PM EST (link)I think the “failed policies of the Bush Administration” were a failure and did change the political balance. More specifically, the failure of the conservative movement to disassociate from the failed liberal policies of Bush (who I think was little more than a not totally competent pro-life liberal) is what changed the political balance.
But that is probably the topic for another thread.
But back on point, do you see anyone saying, “Wow! Even NOW condemns Letterman, I guess I’ll start voting for the Republicans now!”
Because I confess, I don’t.
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But the results of that meme
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:25PM EST (link)was for America to hand over the keys to the Democratic party that had pushed so hard to extend and protect Fannie/Freddie & the CRA.
The Dems got off scott-free w/ the simpleton line “It’s all Bush’s fault”
No, I don’t think any independents are saying “Wow! … I’ll start voting for the Republicans now!”
But there is value to not acquesing to being the constant butt of cheap-shot jokes.
Zoot, you can't be everywhere at one time - I do think that one reason we haven't been
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:57PM EST (link)winning as many Reagan Dems for the past 10 years is that many of them are attracted to conservatives that fight and stand up for themselves, so I do think it is marginally a good political act to attack the media for unjust actions.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
many childless, aging feminists now value some issues ober the sacrament of abortion now - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:54PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Zoot, we've taken the high road so many times that most of us have nosebleed.
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 12:43PM EST (link)Unless and until we are ready to push back and fight back on any and every count, we are done. Being polite and being grown-up about stuff like this never got us anywhere. We have to learn to stop it when we hear it, because if we don’t, they’ll only get worse the next time.
Recent history should have taught us that lesson.
A lie is better than the truth when
Achance (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:36PM EST (link)you’re dealing with the ignorant and superstitious mass. Tell them what they want to hear no matter how far-fetched or rediculous; they aren’t smart enough to know or care that you’re lying. The mass believes them because of who they are, not because of what they say. The people who listen to Democrat politicians and operatives, celebrities, and lefty academics listen as uncritically as a 9th Century peasant listened to the priest. There is no reasoning with either the Left nor the people who follow the Left wittingly or unwittingly. If we are to prevail, and that is a big IF, then it must be by attacking and defeating the leadeship cohort; the followers are beyond redemption.
In Vino Veritas
I understand that, Achance. But this isn't about
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:07PM EST (link)persuading their followers. It’s all about stopping them from attacking our side with such outrageous remarks as Letterman made. We are not here to be the butt of their sick jokes, nor to be lied about, nor to be used as punching bags for their twisted entertainment. Conservatives are the heartbeat of what is left of this country. If we are to be taken seriously as a political force, then we must insist upon a line in the sand.
Letterman crossed it egregiously. His advertisers need to be aware of the outrage that he caused and to think twice about blithely sponsoring people who think this sort of “humor” is acceptable. Quelling “freeedom of speech” is a two-way street.
I'm not saying we should "take the high road"
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:56PM EST (link)Far from it. Letterman should be chastened for his. I’m simply saying that this issue will not change any minds or votes.
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Zoot, it may not change minds or votes, but maybe it will
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:14PM EST (link)at the very least make some people stop and think about what they are doing. If we constantly just roll over and let this kind of thing go and don’t fight it, then we have no right to complain about what else is said about us. I, for one, will not just sit back and comfort myself that decent people wouldn’t laugh at this kind of crap.
There’s way too many people out there in the sweaty masses who need to be educated about what is and what isn’t allowed by our side. From Napolitano’s DHS down into the gutters to Letterman, it’s time to just sit here meekly and say, “More, please.”
"it's time to QUIT sitting here meekly and saying,
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:26PM EST (link)Is what I meant to say.
Thanks for the clarification, janis. There for a second
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:42PM EST (link)I thought some alien, squishy moderate life form had taken over your body.
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Not a chance, eburke! When I went back and read the comment
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:47PM EST (link)as it posted, I was horrified. Hence the correction, written with a red face and a humble attitude. How I miss “Preview”!
Whew! There for a minute I thought I was going to have to hit up mbecker
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:49PM EST (link)and see if Franz was available for a ‘squishy moderate alien life form’ exorcism so we could get our janis back.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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eburke, please read this:
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:00PM EST (link)Never, EVER, wake up Franz, the Prince of Darkness, on my account. For his wrath is terrible to behold and those little teeth are as sharp as needles.
I once worked for a veterinarian and we learned pretty quickly to keep a close eye on the little, um, excuse me, Franz, “vertically challenged”, dogs. They packed a mean punch if you weren’t careful.
Duly noted Janis (I *was* going to use him only as a last resort :-) nt
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 4:03PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Again, who is saying "roll over"?
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:54PM EST (link)I simply must ask, how do you see this changing any political philosophies?
And perhaps I should emphasize political philosophies because just changing from Democrats to Republicans does make us any better if the Republicans turn out to be just as Leftist as the Democrats.
But even just talking about political parties, I must ask, how do you see this changing anyones political party affiliation?
Seriously. It seems that, at most, the essential argument some here are making is that people are now going to feel so sorry for Sarah Palin and her family that they will now vote for her.
And just to be clear, I detest Letterman’s “joke” and believe I made that quite clear in another diary on RedState. What I think is getting silly is the idea that somehow conservative will gain some sort of political capital from it; that it will somehow “open liberal women’s eyes.”
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Well, Zoot, I simply must ask you in return,
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:08PM EST (link)Do you ever do something just because it’s the right thing to do, even if it won’t get you any votes?”
Because if all we’re about here is just the votes, then how exactly does that make us any different from the Dems? If we don’t do what our principles dictate that we do, then what’s the use of having any? You, as much as any of us, have criticized our “leaders” in the GOP for not having consistent principled positions on issues and defending them. They are afraid that defending conservative positions will cost them votes. Do you also feel the same way, that it’s about nothing BUT votes?
janis, what are you talking about?
ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:28PM EST (link)There have been several posts here on RedState that addressed Letterman’s “joke” and, although I have not been very busy and probably have not read them all, let alone comment on them, I have agreed that David Letterman stepped over the line and should be publicly rebuked. I have even come out in support of a boycott against him and his sponsors: my only thing is is that I do not watch him and don’t know who his sponsors are. For that matter, I don’t CBS (or any network television) much if at all these days; but that is probably another story.
The reason I commented what I commented in this diary is because I think the basic premise of the OP is, in my opinion, silly. I personally think it is a ludicrous idea to think that
Personally, I think that line of thinking is a waste and ultimately counterproductive — perhaps like this conversation has become for both of us — and emblematic of something I see very wrong with the so-called conservative movement. We get so worked up about and think we are going to benefit politically from everything but conservatism.
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Saying that something is opening someone's eyes
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:33PM EST (link)is a far cry from claiming that it will change their vote, Zoot. Just the fact that they finally condemned Letterman’s remarks is enough to make some women and possibly some men look at what Letterman did in a different light. And to maybe listen to him with more finely tuned ears the next time.
No matter what the outcome of this episode, to not fight against it would be just plain stupid.
Not to take sides between two posters both of whom I respect but....
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 4:00PM EST (link)…I think this kind of stuff *can* change votes.
I won’t go into all the details but back in the Clinton years I worked with a ‘woman studies’ major for whom Cosmo was absolutely the Bible, who thought Rush was a sexist pig, and would’ve died rather than vote for a Republican. For about a year I good-naturedly harassed her about why she, who detested women being protrayed as sex objects, continued to read a publication where 80% of the articles were about – how to make women better sex objects, she stopped reading it.
Shortly thereafter, when I was asking her how in the world NOW and Cosmo, those bastions of feminist ideology, were giving Clinton (whom she *adored*) a free pass for engaging in the type of behavior they supposedly abhorred, her reply was that she had dropped her NOW membership, and canceled her Cosmo subscription because of their hypocrisy, that she couldn’t stand to look at Clinton anymore, and had zippo respect for Hillary for not kicking his sorry arse out of the house. She also become a heck of a lot more receptive to my conservative, Republican ‘tripe’ because the utter hypocrisy of those she thought were on *her* side.
No one is going to ever mistake DL for a conservative, so whatever we can do to point out to those who think Liberals are all about equality, fair play, and respect for women that these clowns are hypocrites, the more I believe it opens their hearts and minds to our message.
Now, will it do it all by itself? No. Would it help if there were more GOPers like Palin who have the….well…testicular fortitude to call these morons out? Yeah. But I do believe it can help plow the field.
Now we just need to be ready and willing to plant the crop.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Oh, eburke! that was masterfully said.
janis (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 6:32PM EST (link)I agree with all your points, it was easy to dance to and I give it a 10.
Coming from you janis....that means a bunch. Thanks! nt
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 10:48PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Contemporary feminists PROMOTE misogyny
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:06PM EST (link)so liberal women, if they want to remain feminists, will have to choose between contemporary radical feminism, and the older form of feminism.
Contemporary feminism regards women as exactly the same as (bad) men and calls for them to be promiscuous and put work ahead of family. In contrast, older feminism, such as that advocated by Frederick Douglass, understood women as equal to men politically and in other ways, but also different in many important ways.
Until we start respecting women as women, rather than as men with allegedly minor biological differences, we will have more misogyny, not less.
I thought the older feminist
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 1:09PM EST (link)weren’t so great either. Wasn’t the right to vote movement a way to divide the family? I heard this from someone but don’t know where he got it from. I have never heard of F Douglass.
Well, I agree that older feminism wasn't so hot
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 2:58PM EST (link)in some ways, but it was miles and miles more civilized than the present form of feminism. Not to say that older feminism was all in one direction, either. There were those who sought to undermine the family and others who did not.
Frederick Douglass married Helen Pitts and became involved in her feminist work in the late 1800′s as part of the first wave of feminism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-wave_feminism
Google “Frederick Douglass” and “feminism” and you’ll find some information about his particular role.
Correction: Douglass was a feminist well before
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 3:00PM EST (link)meeting his second wife. I made it sound as if she was the inspiration for his feminist work.
Whatever happened to "sexual Harrassment"?
crux Monday, June 15th at 3:27PM EST (link)The Palin daughters are NOT political figures, and as such Letterman should be held LEGALLY accountable. They should SUE the WORLD WIDE PANTS off of Letterman, the show writers, the producers, CBS, and any other person who has a role in his show production. It’s time that the left is held accountable for their double standards. Bottom line is – it’s the bottom line that counts.
It IS a political story, Zoot...
furious (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 4:09PM EST (link)…if the takeaway for appealing, outspoken conservative women considering a run for office is that their families — excuse me, their MINOR CHILDREN — will be fair game for the chattering classes.
Tonight David Letterman. Tomorrow Jon Stewart, The day after that Larry King, Keith Olbermann…followed a week later by US and People.
This is all about moving the guardrails so that bit by bit this kind of ugliness gets mainstreamed, at which point the NYT and WaPO can straight-facedly refer to the candidate’s “controversial family” becoming a “distraction” for the candidate/party/campaign.
Also at which point Quisl..er, Squishes like David Frum, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, and Peggy Noonan can sniff She’s just not our KIND, dear, and further the rot from within.
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader