The Washington Times:
Dealers from across the country lobbied desperately on Capitol Hill on Wednesday on the eve of bankrupt Chrysler’s expected announcement that it will close 800 of its 3,200 dealerships. GM is expected to close 2,600, or 40 percent, of its 6,300 dealerships
As part of their plans to get taxpayer-funded bailouts from the Obama Administration, GM and Chrysler both had to promise to sharply reduce the number of dealerships across the country which sell their products. But this is mostly smoke and mirrors. Too many dealerships is not even one of the more serious ailments which afflict the two car makers.
GM spokeswoman Susan Garontakos claims that her company can’t maintain its current dealer network because of poor sales:
“If they are not ordering cars, we can’t thrive on that. Most dealers are unable today to borrow money to maintain their inventory.”
But stop and think about that one for a minute. How exactly is having fewer dealerships going to enable the remaining ones to order more cars from the manufacturer?
Garontakos counters by pointing out that dealer networks represent a cost to the manufacturers in administrative expenses, incentives and rewards programs, and technology infrastructure. But dealers pay a share of these costs, and one of the best-kept secrets in Detroit is that dealer-related expenses for manufacturers are a drop in the bucket.
Most of the administrative costs of dealerships to the car makers are tied up in district, regional and corporate dealer representatives. GM and Chrysler maintain that having fewer dealers will allow them to cut down on the number of these representatives. But most factory reps communicate with dealerships by telephone, fax and the internet. Many local dealerships have not had a manufacturer rep set foot in their facilities in years.
There are also delivery costs, but these are associated with sales. The costs of dealerships, while not insignificant, are a relatively minor part of the problem. Dealers are not the problem. Fixed costs are the problem.
One of the factors that has persuaded those consumers who buy domestic to do so is the number of dealers a given car maker has across the country. The more dealerships a car maker has, the more secure some consumers feel in buying that product. They like to know that wherever they travel, there will be a dealership there in case their car develops a problem. Even small towns have had Ford, GM and Chrysler dealerships for years, but if many of these are closed, there goes one more reason to buy a domestic car or truck. Another important factor in the decision to buy domestic is brand loyalty. Closing rural dealers may destroy what remains of long-time customer loyalty to GM and Chrysler products.
Consider the effect of dealer closings on Main Street America. The National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) estimates that 150,000 employees could lose their jobs under current plans.
Dealers impact their local communities in numerous ways. They pay commercial property taxes on their real estate, and dealerships are important customers themselves for such local businesses as office-supply outlets and auto parts stores. The dealers also help raise money for charity and purchase advertising on local media outlets, billboards, school publications and even the signs on the fences at the Little League baseball field.
“Unlike some of the faceless corporations that are out there, dealers are a living part of the community,” said Vince Sheehy, whose family has been selling cars in the Washington area since the 1940s.
Sheehy says the market will reduce the number of dealerships without the auto makers having to lift a finger, and he points to a number of them that are already going bankrupt. This is how market forces weed out the worst performers in the dealer network and the weaker outlets which are credit risks.
The manufacturers, however, have convinced the Obama administration’s know-nothing auto task force that deep cuts in dealer infrastructure are necessary to make the industry more viable. They were willing to say anything to get their federal bailouts. Not being very knowledgeable about the auto business, the government overseers have bought into the myth.
Car dealers from around the county gathered on Capitol Hill Wednesday to fight the dealership closings. They say that the plan to eliminate thousands of dealerships is a bad idea that will cost jobs, hurt sales, and change some communities forever.
John McEleney, who owns a Toyota and a Chevy dealership in Iowa, and chairs the dealers association, opposes the government forcing closings. The Obama administration’s auto panel claims that fewer, stronger dealerships and less competition will somehow help the brands become stronger. While that may work for Honda and Toyota, which already sell more cars with fewer dealers, it’s not necessarily the case for GM and Chrysler:
“It doesn’t help. I think there’s a thought that closing dealerships somehow saves the manufacturers money. It’s just not true.”
Jack Fitzgerald, who has been selling cars for 43 years and operates 11 dealerships which employ over 1,000 people in Maryland, doesn’t believe that closing thousands of dealerships is the way to save Chrysler and GM:
“Has anybody on the task force been in the car business? They are modeling after Toyota, but the problem is GM doesn’t sell Toyotas.”
Meanwhile, Chrysler’s dealer network is already on the verge of collapse, as hundreds of dealerships have closed their doors this year. Uncertainty about the company’s future is driving consumers away, dealer spokesmen told a U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan this week. In a packed Manhattan courtroom Monday, James Arrigo, the co-chairman of Chrysler’s National Dealer Counsel testified:
“People are walking in front of the door, saying ‘I would be interested, but I have no idea if you’re going to be here in two to three years.”
Chrysler filed for bankruptcy Thursday under a plan to sell its best assets to a new company managed by Italy’s Fiat SPA and planning an emergence from court protection in as little as 30 days under the “guidance” of the Obama administration. While it waits for the bankruptcy court to make a ruling, Chrysler has shut down production at worst of times for its dealers, just as the typically strongest summer selling season begins.
Michael Bernstein, an attorney for the firm representing Chrysler dealerships told the court:
“The dealers are nearly the only source for revenue that Chrysler has.”
He said that dealerships are the public face of Chrysler, and continued failures could make it even more difficult to regain consumer confidence as customers are left behind with nowhere to service their cars.
But President Obama is from the government, and he just wants to help. One thing is for sure. Closing dealerships in large cities may send ripples through the local economies, but when rural auto dealerships are gone, the shock wave created in their wake will mean that life in small town America will never be the same.
How are you liking this economic fascism stuff so far? You ain’t seen nothing yet. It will get worse.
- JP
Steve Maley
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My new car
Repubtallygirl Thursday, May 14th at 11:01AM EST (link)I currently own a 2002 Chevy Trailblazer, which I love, and shopping around for a new SUV. I don’t want to own a car from a company which is government run so I am looking at Toyotas. How many others feel as I do?
I feel the same way,
Greg (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:07AM EST (link)but I wont buy a new car until real energy solution is in place or I can pay cash for the new vehicle… I can’t afford to have gas costing me as much as a car payment per month. I will not buy a battery car and I want consider it.
You are in difficult situation....
antisocial (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:42PM EST (link)You don’t want to buy a battery operated car.
You don’t want to pay for high cost of GAS.
For now you can’t do anything except vote for non-global-warming folks….. until somebody decides to drill you will need to use your old car
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
After 41 years with GM
RoscoeP Thursday, May 14th at 1:03PM EST (link)My parents bought a Lexus which is their first non-GM car in all those years.
Ford
JoeG Thursday, May 14th at 3:07PM EST (link)No taxpayers are harmed by the manufacture of their vehicles.
How big of a SUV do you want?
The Escape hybrid gets pretty incredible mileage if you’re looking for the smaller end.
guess I will be buying foreign produced vehicles now
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:32PM EST (link)I am not buying Ford, they have always sucked and I have had too many of their lemons.
Its so sad because I really really loved my Saturns.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
That's too bad...
larueladue (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:58PM EST (link)I have had the exact opposite luck. Wouldn’t buy another GM vehicle even if they weren’t going bankrupt.
yes there is always a discrepency in the fates of individuals
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:20PM EST (link)Its not that i didn also have some bad GM products, but my Saturns are awesome.
As for Fords, all of the following. 2 destroyed transmissions, three faulty cruise controls, Two bad engine computers. One bad engine mount, water pumps and alternators too numerous to name.
But I will give then this, their bodies and climate controls were always superior to other cars.
Found On Road Dead
Fox Or Repair Daily.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
this saddens me
panthera (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:27PM EST (link)I only drive Mopar cars. I refuse to drive a foreign car unless I have no other choice.
When a person purchases a Toyota doesnt most of the money go out of the country?
Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
Toyota and Honda actually have more auto plants in the US, particularly the South, than the UAW-owned Big Three
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 12:41PM EST (link)NT
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Shrug
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Sunday, May 17th at 5:24AM EST (link)And I’ll only drive non-UAW cars.
Not one penny to that organization. It’s like donating to the Mafia.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Pretty much...
drothgery Friday, May 15th at 12:14PM EST (link)… except that my 2002 Grand Am barely has 30,000 miles on it, so I’m not looking for a new car any time soon.
Selling off Government Motors should be a top item in the 2012 GOP platform, as far as I’m concerned. I know it’s kind of weird, but I like GM cars. I want to be able to buy another one without feeling sick.
But if things don’t change by the time I need a new car, I’ll be looking at the biggest American non-government manufacturers — Ford (ick), Honda, and Toyota.
There Are Too Many American Car Dealers - Period.
IJB Thursday, May 14th at 11:07AM EST (link)This may not be the main problem with U.S. auto manufacturers, but it is a real and persistent problem that needs to be dealt with.
It’s a necessary step among many that need to be taken.
Just because other steps need to be taken doesn’t mean this one doesn’t. It does.
Yeah
exitsfunnel Thursday, May 14th at 12:38PM EST (link)I was more or less down with this diary for about the first paragraph and a half when I thought it was just making the argument that labor costs were a bigger issue than the costs related to the dealerships, but the author lost me when he segued into a full-blown defense of the dealerships. The domestic networks are an anachronism from the days when the domestics were the only game in town. Carving them down to size is surely not a sufficient condition for viability but it is absolutely a necessary one.
-exits
Show me the part of the Constitution
Josh Painter (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:48PM EST (link)where it says government should take care of such a problem, IJB.
The marketplace was already taking care of the surplus of dealers by weeding them out. And it was doing it at a pace which does not send the kind of shock waves through local communities that the government “taking care of the problem” will do.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Bankruptcy
exitsfunnel Thursday, May 14th at 1:06PM EST (link)There is no scenario where either GM or Chrysler would have emerged from Chapter 11 without having made massive cuts to their dealer networks. This would be equally true under a more conventional scenario with private DIP financing. I have no idea whether or not maintaining the bloated networks would be beneficial or not to local communities, but in any event, that’s not a consideration of Chapter 11 restructuring.
Of course, Chrysler doesn’t actually belong in Chapter 11, they should have been liquidated eight months ago. But that’s a separate topic.
-exits
I agree. I am so tired of hearing libs decry that
Praying (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 6:08PM EST (link)Capitalism and the free markets don’t work – when if fact capitalism and free markets have had MASSIVE amounts of government intrusion for YEARS. And the more the government gets involved, the more messed up they make it. Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt and they think we should trust them to take over ALL of our health care? But that’s a whole separate issue…
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
5!
youthgrunt (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:03PM EST (link)That seems to be a lost question these days. Why should it be part of the job of government to save any particular industry.
I must admit the dealership thing is confusing to me. I guess I don’t see how it will save the company any real money except that it saves them from having to buy back the inventory when all these dealerships go out of business. But the markets can take care of the dealerships as well as the car manufacturers.
exitsfunnel suggests that chapter 7 is the correct destination for Chrysler and I largely agree. I am guessing that they will end up there anyway. The kicker is that it is not a bad thing! It will give some entrepreneur the ability to come in and buy some discounted assets and do something with it (without the overhead of the union labor contracts).
It's the weeding out part that bother's me most
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 1:35PM EST (link)The market was weeding out the underperformers, but now they are forcing profitable dealerships out of the picture. Since your original post, the Times has put up a new article detailing some of the dealers who have been cut. Now, I’ll grant that I haven’t dealt with any of the ones listed, but I do know enough to know that at least some of these guys are profitable. Fitzgeralrds is one of the bigger operations in the metropolitan DC area and always have ads on TV. Darcars also has a couple of franchises and is always running ads.
If there are too many, the free market will handle the problem
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Sunday, May 17th at 5:21AM EST (link)The government doesn’t need to deal with it.
What’s next? Washington deciding there are too many gas stations? too many McDonalds and/or Wal-Marts?
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Unions and the plan
Princeliberty Thursday, May 14th at 11:09AM EST (link)I just have the feeling that the Unions are the ones behind a plan to cut costs by hammering local dealers and leaving the union package basicly untouched.
This plan will automaticly cost the company marketshare.
All those little dealers in small towns – all that marketshare will be lost.
So as expected – Govenment control means the company will be run in a horrible fashion more concerned with politicals than making a good product and
good managment.
When does the new lines of Obama and Gore.
The new SUV – the Michelle.
Princeliberty
It's Doomed To Fail...
IJB Thursday, May 14th at 11:16AM EST (link)This is why I’m not sweating this much: if these bankruptcies are engineered in such a way that they UAW and the workers don’t have to give anything up, the companies will simply collapse – people will stop buying the cars, there won’t be enough dealers to sell the cars, and the parts manufacturers will stop supplying them.
There will come a point where even the Dems won’t be able to prop U.S. Auto up with taxpayer money, because the taxpayers won’t put up with it if these companies aren’t producing or selling any cars.
I imagine the UAW and the Dems think they are being clever – of course, once again, they aren’t.
Women and minorities hit hardest
Kyle-MI (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:13AM EST (link)Just heard an interesting tidbit on the radio this morning. The plan to close dealerships may disproportionately affect minority owned dealerships because they are more likely to be smaller and not carry the full line of makes.
Sales are way down, so...
dvdmsr (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:23PM EST (link)…the solution is to cut the number of salesmen?
It just seems to me, that the costs involved with retaining many of those dealerships slated for the axe could be trimmed without eliminating them outright. Dare I say, maybe there are otherplaces where cost can be cut as well…. cough (labor).
The Dems keep saying that auto sales are down because GM, Chrysler, etc. are not making the cars the American consumer wants, but this statement is always used to support their conclusion that these companies need to make more fuel efficient cars and trucks. I’m not suggesting that we don’t all want our cars to be more fuel efficient, but I hardly believe folks are putting off a new car purchase because there aren’t enough fuel efficient choices in the marketplace.
Let’s get real. People are over extended. We’re in a recession which is not helped by the fact that for a very long time now a person has had to basically take out a 2nd mortgage to buy a new car.
Americans aren’t buying as many new cars and trucks because of poor fuel efficiency, they’re not buying them because they cost too D@mn much!
The cars Americans want are the ones that cost about ½ as much as they are now. If GM and Chrysler could do that they wouldn’t be closing dealerships they’d be expanding them.
But alas to charge less they’d have to make them for less, and we all know their biggest expense (labor, not advertising or dealerships) is off limits.
Personal Responsibility Conservative
5555555s
Praying (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 6:11PM EST (link)Really good points.
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
It might work.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:26PM EST (link)I mean, if you have fewer dealerships they can charge more for the cars and increase the profitability of the car companies right? It’s not like Americans are going to go buy cars from any of them durn fooreigners now is there.
…
Why, yes, the sky is violet.
/end snark.
The goal is for government to run the auto distribution channels
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:33PM EST (link)Thesame model as for health care.
1) Clear out the small players – here by force (in health by regulations and malpractice insurance premiums)
2) Mandate purchases of GM/Chrysler by government agencies, perhaps employees at state, federal, and local levels. Perhaps even have Congress pass a Bacon-Davis type act that forces parties receiving government funds to purchase GM/Chrysler autos. (Some portion of this may happen in health care)
3 a) (Fascist model) Take a controlling interest in the remaining dealer networks in return for channeling these mandated car sales through these dealer networks – like the way they control the auto companies. Those dealers who don’t play ball won’t get any of these government sales contracts – which means they won’t stay in business. The favored “private” dealers stay in business so long as they serve theie government masters.
3 b) (Socialist/health care model) The government goes into the dealer business themselves to distribute the government-mandated car purchases – i competititon with private dealers. They will also open their gates to private buyers at lower prices (or government warranty guarantees, etc. and otherwise create a deal the public can’t refuse, making it impossible for private competitors to stay in business against their deep-pocket government competitirs. Eventually, the government runs all the distributorships – at huge taxpayer expense.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
My money's on their going the other way;
Achance (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:37PM EST (link)card check and RTW repeal then the transplants have to sign on to the UAW pattern and share the legacy costs. All the pressure devices you describe above will assure that there will be little resistance from the transplants. Those pressure devices are the reason the whole big business establishment in the Country is completely silent about EFCA.
In Vino Veritas
EFCA?
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:50PM EST (link)Sorry, don’t recognize the acronym.
You probably know EFCA by it's nickname "Card Check"
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:01PM EST (link)But EFCA is more complete because along with card check, the bill also includes the compulsory arbitration provisions, which are the far more insidious and dangerous part of the bill
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I don't see these auto industry approaches as either-or
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:36PM EST (link)EFCA /RTW repeal is certainly the brass ring for opening the door to a socialist workers nation.
Obama has been rash and threatening to overreach in his eagerness to get it all now, but I think we’re recently seeing the real master strategists behind Obama starting to rein him in.
The powers behind Obama are long-term planners and gladly will take their chances after 2010 if they can’t get it now – since with the “moderate” Republicans opening a second front on conservatives, Democrats are well poised to increase their majorities mid-term unless the economy totally blows up before then. But I think economic collapse unlikely; the real damage will come after the next elections when the really major spending kicks in.
Your scenario of essentially forcing all the auto makers to unionize and then letting the new “market”forces take it from there make sense – except I’m not sure that having tasted the drug of government intervention and reveling in the power of thuggery, whether these guys really could back off and not keep sticking their finger in the pie in terms of wanting to control the auto industry and its networks – both in terms of sheer pleasure as well as the political power they would gain to go after other sectors, like energy.
And we already know that the adminstration and Congressional Dems want to dictate what types of cars are being manufactured.
One possible synthesis is that government preference may go not specifically towards GM/Chrysler but may go to UAW-approved companies.
It would be interesting from the perspective of a pathologist to see what kind of accomodation these two approaches – unionize everything & government motors – are able to make towards each other. Or are these approaches actually synergistic with each other?
But personally I’d rather try to save the patient if possible. Tough odds though when the attending physicians want to mastermind the patient management in a fatal direction while expecting the house staff to shut up and go along with their schemes.
Which makes Ford the key canary in the mine pending the outcome of EFCA/RTW repeal.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Eventually, the government runs all the distributorships - at huge taxpayer expense.
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:39PM EST (link)Whoa…..
I am afraid if it gets to that you will not see many dealerships left…
They will all go up in flames.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
The taxpayer payouts will be covert
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:40PM EST (link)…so people won’t see unless people know where to look. A couple of possibilities:
++We’ll have the loans that quietly get forgiven.
++We have markups on the government mandated cars so that the expense will be hidden in the department’ s budget, where it will be almost impossible to detect it
That’s just for starters. It will be hard to get the mob out with pitchforks if you can’t get the info. Besides, by that time, all the mobs will be under contract to the government, so you wouldn’t be able to raise a mob anyway.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I want to thank obama, reid, peloski, dodd, schummmmmer, geithner and all Democrats and Unions personally for Destroying the AUTO INDUSTRY
bobojake (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:48PM EST (link)I won’t buy another car from a company owned by the American Government or employees are a member of A UNION.
In 2010 we will throw out all obama thugs and it will take 40 years for the DEMOCRATS to RECOVER from destroying the economy of this great Nation if the DEMOCRAT ever do.
Ford is already gaining market share
Josh Painter (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:55PM EST (link)as a result of the frederal government unconstitutionally elbowing its way into the car business to benefit the unions.
Just watch the Obamunists punish Ford severely for not taking bailout money. It will happen. For starters, Ford has probably sold it’s last fleet vehicle to a federal gov’t agency.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Don't know whether to go long or short Ford
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:13PM EST (link)Short term they could gain by the Government Motors buffoonery but long term if the big O targeted them, they could be hurt. How the heck does Ford compete w/ Government Motors employee pricing plan? buy a GM and get lifetime pension and healthcare with a free membership to the union
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
If the product is not selling
LibRick (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:20PM EST (link)you close sales outlets to cut costs. Whether the government is involved or not, GM and Chrysler would need to do this. Seems like a simple Econ 101 opportunity cost decision for a business in dire straits.
I know you are against government intervention on this matter so your last paragraph appears to be a bit incongruous. If you think Obama should not be involved in the auto industry, then why should he push to keep rural small town dealerships open?
The point is for the government not to be involved either way
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:05PM EST (link)I don’t take the last paragraph to mean govt should work to keep rural dealerships open either. I read Josh as saying ‘let the chips fall where they may, don’t single out a region’ which is what The Big 0, urban planner extrordinaire plans to do.
Econ 101 also says you target the places where you can save the money. Josh’s argument is that you can’t really save money by forcing dealerships to close.
My lone real life experience on this:
I was in a room with a bunch of other people arguing about a budget. I was one of the financial officers who had to sign off on our projected $500,000 budget. Our outlays still exceeded our income by $50,000. Somebody wanted to spend time debating whether or not to trim $200 from a line item for some office furniture. I looked up and said ‘How the h*** do you expect to cut $50,000 from the budget before the end of the night when we spend 15-30 minutes arguing over a $200 cut? We have to cut line items, not trim them.’* Sounds to me like GM and Chrysler are arguing about whether or not to trim $200 from a furniture budget and there aren’t any grown ups in the room to point out the error of their plan.
*In the end I wound up proposing the equivalent of a tax increase and will never, ever, ever, do so again. Because of the way our economics worked, increases came in $5 increments and the proposed change should have finally put an official $30,000 into a rainy day fund. But later that year one of the groups came to us with an ‘unavoidable need for a budget increase’ of $100,000. We still made budget that year because we always projected very conservatively, but it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Never, ever, ever, ever again.
I don't agree with your argument
antisocial (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:57PM EST (link)There is a difference between 50,000 dollars and millions/billions of dollars. That difference is scale. The way to go is to go after the biggest chunk of waste/improvement opportunity first. Then the next one….. and so on until you can’t find any area where there is no waste/improvement opportunity….
This is not to argue that cutting small waste is not important. Its about methodology.
I hope somebody in this administration(since these are government owned companies now) knows about Pareto analysis. Microsoft Excel….. Microsoft Project…
I know… wishful thinking….
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
Read that paragraph again...
Josh Painter (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:57PM EST (link)and show me where I said that Obama should push to keep small town dealerships open.
I did not.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Josh, I re-read it
LibRick (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 1:29PM EST (link)and you are correct. My mistake.
I don't get the cost burden of dealerships either.
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:59PM EST (link)My distant cousin owns a chevy dealership and uncle owned a ford dealership. I don’t really know what burden dealers have on the manufacturer other than floor plan financing. Not sure that union dealership employees are the issue?
I’d think the market would sort out the # of dealers. Can’t manage your expenses and revenues and you go out of business.
FBN had a profitable Chrysler dealership owner on this morning that got the call from his regional that his dealership was being axed. Axing a profitable dealership? sheesh.
I wonder what the criteria are for selecting dealerships to be cut and even the math that supports cutting any dealerships.
I’d think the problems most dealers have is the general credit crunch financing inventory more than anything. I guess when GMAC gets hit by credit crunch and cannot finance all the special deals they have no tricks left to support sales that have high legacy costs built in.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
It's a "profit burden."
Achance (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:06PM EST (link)Too many of them competing drives the margins down on domestic cars and it’s a two way competition. They bid the sales price of the new car down and the trade/sales price of the old car up.
If I had to pick the greatest failing of the domestics beyond their labor practices, it would be their refusal or inability to protect the value of their brands on the used market. Even a very high quality, top of the line domestic, and there are some, is worthless the second you drive it off the dealer’s lot, and if you financed it, you’re upside down immediately.
In Vino Veritas
True on value.
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:15PM EST (link)I am looking to buy a Chevy Avalanche. 07-08 with teen miles will sell for half of sticker at a dealer to dealer auction. Quite a hit for a nice vehicle. Of course some of that is the vehicles shouldn’t sticker for 50k in the first place
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
A cynic might think...
Josh Painter (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:01PM EST (link)that the criteria for selecting which dealerships stay open could be more political than economic.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
Cynical, I am..
Alone_in_the_Dotte Thursday, May 14th at 4:05PM EST (link)Someone needs to compare the dealership “death list” to campaign donations. There’s something fishy going on.
A quick scan of the list shows a dealership in an affluent part of this town being closed, but a dealership full of snakes in the poor part of town closing. My bet is the latter made more donations to Democrats…or has a Union service department.
My first Kowalski
Alone_in_the_Dotte Thursday, May 14th at 4:07PM EST (link)The dealership of snakes in the poor part of town survives…
Geez, I need to get my head out before I hit the post button.
great point lonesome, but you really ought to define "Dotte" before
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:11PM EST (link)going kowalski on us
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kowalski cubed? - perfect example of the exponential increase in the politicization of
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:12PM EST (link)the economy in the age of obama
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Shouldn't someone think of ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:33PM EST (link)The impact of closing 3400 service centers? New car sales down, auto inventory getting older, older cars need more service?
I’ve talked to many dealers/salesmen who claim that they can sell a new car at a loss because the service department keeps the dealership afloat. If this is true, then closing dealerships to save the parent corporation a few bucks makes very little sense. After all, dealers tend to use mfg parts, while indies use the cheapest substitute available. Just sayin’.
Not sure of the economics
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:27PM EST (link)I know that many a dealership stays afloat because of its service department. Dealerships quit making big bucks on sales many years ago.
And dealerships (especially the “corporate” ones) tend to use cheaper and cheaper technicians (i.e., less experienced) all the time. The guys who can fix cars in their sleep are forced out for the new ECPI graduates that can barely change oil or read the fix-it manual, assuming it’s in Spanish.
Try finding a shop with really experienced techs — guys who’ve been doing it 15, 20, 25 years. They are rare, because the hours are long, the pay doesn’t keep pace with their value and experience, it’s physically challenging, the paperwork and bureaucracy are mind-numbing, and they aren’t valued by management.
However, remember how much of the service department is warranty work — which costs the parent corporation, not the dealership (although the two sides fight this out all the time). So maybe that’s what is behind a lot of this. If there is no nearby service center, you can’t get your warranty work done, and car owners will be forced to ante up at independent shops just to keep their cars running.
Think of it as universal healthcare for your car!
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
I think the solution
panthera (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:33PM EST (link)would be to move headquarters to a right-to-work state and vote the big tent union out.
I dont think closing dealerships is the solution.
Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
Fritz Henderson GM CEO on Glenn Beck today
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 5:12PM EST (link)He is a total Obamabot. It’s sad to see a CEO cower to a President. In Fritz’s defense, I’d do the same, he saw his boss get taken out by President Zero so Fritz is smart for his own career shutting up and carrying the water. It’s just sad to see a CEO of GM take orders from Obama.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
You see the real ponzi scheme at work
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:24PM EST (link)Hocus Pocus – those dealerships cuts are just stage craft. Plus all the folks that work at the dealerships are expendable – they don’t work for the UAW. These car companies first – need to quit making cars – which they are doing for 9 weeks. They need to quit paying people for NOT working. The UAW contracts should be shredded. If 500,000 a month a losing jobs I am sure some of those folks could be re-trained in 9 weeks to take over the UAW jobs…..The new workers could come in at the same payscale as other non-UAW plants. Get rid of the UAW and most of the problems could be solved. Get Obama out of the board room and these companies might have a chance. Staying with the old mentality of the unions and government control is just a recipe for disaster. The American public – AT least 70% of them will shun UAW/government built cars.
Period. The U.S. government cannot save these companies even if they bought every last car they build. If anyone is really interested in saving America and American business than you must fight the fascism that is invading America.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Where is all the sympathy for lost jobs
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:18PM EST (link)at the dealerships?
Bah. The UAW has been costing jobs at dealerships since at least the early ’60s (I remember the Ford strike back then that lasted a year and about ruined my family — my dad sold Fords).
Here in the Houston area, major dealerships have already been shuttered due to financing issues. And obviously the pain isn’t over yet.
But do you hear any crying about the salesmen, the technicians, the service writers, the porters, the title clerks, and all the other people who keep a dealership going? Those people are out of work, too.
I’ll tell you what needs to be shut down, and long ago: the UAW.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Just saw the news about the closings -
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:11PM EST (link)No surprise that most of Chrysler dealer closings are in Texas….
I wonder if the Arlington, Texas GM plant will be on the chopping block….
Obama’s economic civil war – here it is. Taste the bitter fruit.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Full list of Chrysler Dealership closings
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 12:05AM EST (link)http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/chrysler-closings.pdf
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
The Left can't see the value of
dvdmsr (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 7:17AM EST (link)what they call wasteful competition – remember the NRA?
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