Will Obama kill GM’s last interesting cars?


Forget that G8; You need a Prius!

Government Motors(TM), the new automaker which will replace General Motors, has already experienced regime change at the direction of new CEO-in-chief Barack Obama. In light of some recent product mix realignment at GM, one has to wonder if POTUS is not calling the shots on GM’s model line-up as well.

Changes at Cadillac, Chevrolet and Pontiac, the GM divisions which were making interesting cars, don’t bode well for people who actually enjoy driving. Those who hate personal transportation and will only settle for boring automobiles as appliances only slightly more interesting than the standard kitchen toaster oven, however, will be pleased.

At Chevrolet, the Cobalt SS sedan will be dropped for the 2010 model year. Adios to the little pocket rocket with its 260-hp turbocharged four. GM had finally transformed the mediocre Cobalt into something fun to drive, but that didn’t last long. Until Ford’s new Focus RS comes stateside, the hopped-up little Chevy Sedan arguably provides the best bang for the buck in its class. Rumor has it that the coupe version will not survive the Obamunists’ axe, either.

Another bowtie brand casualty is the Impala SS, which means goodbye to the 5.3L V8 engine in in a front-wheel drive Chevy sedan. The hottest available Impala engine will be the lackadaisical 3.9L pushrod V6. Yawn… In truth, enthusiasts won’t miss the big SS that much. While it offers adequate power, the handling is just plain numb.

What will be missed is the HHR SS, which is due to meet the executioner in July of 2010. Styled like a 1949 Chevrolet Suburban in miniature, the retro-SUV is a surprisingly competent little box. With the turbo 2.0 four-banger mated to a slick 5-speed manual with no-lift shifting and launch control, it’s a blast to drive at a bargain price. Buh-bye.

Since the entire Pontiac brand is slated for the chopping block, we really shouldn’t be surprised that the G6 EXP model will be dropped before the division is phased out. This one is a no-brainer. GM designers ruined the basically clean lines of the smallish Pontiac by tarting it up with goofy-looking hood scoops and a hideous rear wing with the GXP body package. Although the 3.6-liter 252-hp V-6 is available in other G6 models, it does offer a few more horsepower in GXP tuning. No matter, as it’s a goner.

Perhaps the unkindest cut of all is that with the demise of the Pontiac brand, the future of the excellent G8 sedan is up in the air. This car, an American-spec version of a model from Australia’s Holden GM division, really is a bargain basement 5-series Beemer. The 6.0-liter L67 V-8 cranks out 361 horsepower and allows the very competent sedan to hit 60 mph in just 5.3 seconds. Not only that, but it has brakes and handling to match the acceleration. Hopefully, GM will simply re-badge it as a Buick and allow the model to continue stateside. That would be a great excuse to resurrect the Wildcat model name from Buick’s past, and besides, this car just has too much goodness to disappear from these shores. But if Obama and his automotive team (not a member of which knows the slightest thing about the car business) are calling the shots, then things don’t look promising.

Also on the outs is the Callilac STS-V with its 469 horsepower supercharged V8. Although the smaller CTS-V offers better performance at a considerable price savings, the demise of this model leaves the large luxury sedan customer who wants gobs of power with no place to go except Germany.

For now at least, the Camaro looks safe, which makes sense as the model was just recently introduced. And if Government Motors(TM) tries to do away with the Corvette, Obama and his fellow socialists may have an armed insurrection on their hands. As America’s only sports car (if you overlook the Dodge Viper, which may not survive Chrysler’s impending takeover by FIAT), it will not be an easy kill for the Obamunists. But they haff veys of getting what they want. “Look,” they will say, “the Tesla roadster has neck-snapping performance, and it’s all-electric.” Will GM be forced into making the legendary Vette a plug-in? Time will tell.

As more interesting models are dropped in favor of fuel efficient little tin cans, car buyers with a passion for driving will motor on past the GM showrooms to their friendly, local Ford dealer. There had better be some interesting cars at the sign of the blue oval, or they will go from there to Honda and Acura dealerships. With the aforementioned 305-hp Focus RS in the pipeline, the Taurus SHO with a 3.5 liter EcoBoost V6 slated to return in 2010, and the Fusion planned to get an EcoBoost four-cylinder displacing 2.0 liters in the next couple of years, Ford is looking to corner the domestic sports sedan market. It can do this. It will be saddled with no team of government overseers like GM will suffer under, and it will not be owned by a UAW-FIAT-Obamunist cabal, as with what will remain of Chrysler.

- JP


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Subjective.

Bill S (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:15AM EST (link)

Your definition of “interesting” varies from others. I could care less about horsepower. Completely, totally irrelevant.

If you want to be subjective, I’ll tell you that there’s probably been a grand total of three GM cars that have a whit of attractiveness: 1) Corvette, 2) Camaro, 3) To some degree, the latest model year Malibu. The vast majority of the remainder of the GM lineup are without a doubt the ugliest group of vehicles to ever hit the road. And it’s been like that now since the late 60′s/early 70′s.

From a pure aesthetics perspective, American roads will be far easier on the eyes if GM disappears.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

My definintion of "interesting"

Josh Painter (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:42AM EST (link)

in an automotive context means a car which rewards its driver with more thn just adequate acceleration; responsive and predictable handling; fade-free, straight-line braking in a better than reasonable distance; a chassis which is more than just competent; and a comfortable, supportive interior which doesn’t use materials that look like they came from the fleet truck parts bin.

You may not care about horsepower, but there are plenty of us who do. More precisely, we care about horsepower-to-weight ratios. Power is not just a factor for thrill-seekers. A car should have enough power so that “slam on the brakes and pray” isn’t the only option a driver has to avoid a collision.

Cars should also have appealing styling, but aesthetics is very subjective. All-around performance is a car enthusiast’s number one criterion. I’ve been a car nut for half a century. That the Plymouth Roadrunner had bland styling was one of its strong points. The looks just made it that much more of a “sleeper.”

Personally,I think the most beautiful cars today are those made by Aston Martin. Many of the A-M “kinetic” styling cues will be seen in the next couple of years on Ford models from the Modeo (next-gen Fusion) on down the line to the Focus, Festiva and even the Fiesta.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

:shrug: I have no use for horsepower

Bill S (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 10:29AM EST (link)

I seldom drive on the highway, and when I do, the only time I need to accelerate is on an entrance ramp.

You like horsepower. I like gas mileage. You and others can continue to piss on Priuses, but frankly, I’d rather spend less $ on my car and subsidize the Middle East less and have a car that gets better mileage. I happen to think a Prius or a Volt or a Honda Fit are much more interesting than a big-ass V8. And by the way, I don’t give a flying flip what their carbon footprints are. I’m all about a lower gas card bill.

The key is: keep the government out of the design and decision process.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

I don't need gobs of horsepower.

Josh Painter (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:16AM EST (link)

My ’06 Fusion has a 3.0 V6 with only 240 hp, which is more than adequate to move a 3200-pound car around. It’s the car’s handling and comfort that sold me on it. I drove the Accord and the Camry, both of which had V6 engines with more horsepower. Unfortunately, both had rental-car nub steering and mushy chassis dynamics, which was a deal-killer for me.

I would have purchased a four-cylinder Fusion if I had been able to find one with a manual trans (31 mpg) that I could afford. None were on the used car lots, so I would have been forced to buy a new one for just shy of 20 grand and take a big depreciation hit. I bought my ’06 used in 08 for just $12K. 8 grand will buy a lot of gasoline and insurance.

When that model gets the 2.0 four-cylinder EcoBoost engine, it will have more horsepower AND get better fuel economy than my car with the V6. With the EcoBoost, Ford is looking to replace its gasoline-fueled V8s with V6s in the F-150 and V6s with fours in the Fusion.

I find efficiency to be interesting, but only when the rest of the car is not boring. If a car trips all over itself on twisty two-lane blacktops, I have no use for it. And I wouldn’t be caught dead in a Fit, which would be a high-probabilty event if it collided with something larger, which means most other vehicles on the road.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

That may be true, but

Rapunzel46 Tuesday, May 12th at 12:28AM EST (link)

depending on where you live and what you do some of us do need horsepower. Personally I think the idea of electric sucks on many levels, not the least of it not being truly “green.” The thought of $40K for a car you have to plug in every so many miles isn’t appealing and if it won’t pull my boat or a trailer or have room for ladders, or coolers, etc., it’s of no use to us. I think natural gas is the way to go… let people keep their muscle cars or their wimpy cars.

 
 
 
 

My definition of interesting...

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:50AM EST (link)

A car that can be sold at a profit.

You evil capitalist! How dare you think that way!

bk (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 9:41AM EST (link)

I think the whole thing’s a setup. We get GM to produce nothing but little sardine cans, then what comes next?
1) Their CAFE rating goes through the roof.
2) No one buys any of their cars.
3) Legislation is introduced to set the CAFE standard for all manufacturers at 0.1mpg below what GM has attained for its cars nobody wants.

Between card check to force the UAW in all plants and screwing with CAFE standards, just think how FAIR things will be!!

 
 
 

He already has.

scottbomb (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:21AM EST (link)

Out of principle, unless drastic changes are made (like restoring GM to stockholder ownership) I will never again buy a Government Motors vehicle. The same for Chrysler. As long as Ford doesn’t sell out, they will remain on my short list along with my personal favorites, Honda and Toyota.

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“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

I have a civic

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 9:44AM EST (link)

and it’s the best car! It has over 300,000 miles the only problem is that it leaks oil. It has never broken down or giving me a hard time.

I only have 125 thousand on mine

Raven (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 10:22AM EST (link)

But it has no problems other than those I impose on it by smashing it into stuff…

And it has gotten me through some of the Nastiest weather I have ever seen. And, just as importantly, no one has ever been injured when it’s been smashed into things…

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 
 
 

the real tradgedy is the Saturn

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:32AM EST (link)

Saturn made really good cars with a fanatical following. But GM managed to blow it.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

The Saturn story is a sad one.

Josh Painter (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:47AM EST (link)

What was supposed to be an outside-of-the-box American line of cars has become nothing more than a badge to be affixed to various Opel, GMC, Chevy and Saab products.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

Saturn was NEVER an "outside-of-the-box American" car.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 8:55AM EST (link)

GM designers bought a rash of Toyotas and dissembled them when they designed the damn thing. Roger Smith – the man who drove a stake into the heart of GM – said at the time he was going to build a “Japanese car”. And while it was OK, it was never as good as a Toyota or a Nissan. Or a Kia for that matter.

And, I freely admit to being not objective at all about GM. I was in the auto parts business for a while and they were – and had been and still are – one of the the worst managed companies on earth.

Saturn has a better dealer policy too

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 9:33AM EST (link)

I wanted a Toyota but the dealership was awful. They were not honest and tried to manipulate me by the salesman pretending to leave (with his jacket and stuff still at his area ) and when I finally left and then they kept calling me. I ended up going with Saturn because they just give you the price and they don’t try to make it difficult for you.

 

GM designers are frantically reverse-engineering

blooch Monday, May 11th at 11:07AM EST (link)

a Trabant, but the trailer needed for the catalytic converter has proven to be a major hurdle, as the Obant cannot reach the minimum speed required on Interstate Highways. Two possible solutions are being considered: solar-powered motors on the trailer or a speed-limit reduction on the Interstate. CEObama is reportedly enchanted with both solutions.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Government Motors is bringing Sexy back!

speciallist (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:36AM EST (link)

Even Gremlins came with some pretty hot engines.

Achance (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:46AM EST (link)

Of course, the real Government Motors Gremlin won’t even be as attractive as the original because those thin chrome bumpers won’t meet today’s “safety” (make that idiot) standards.

In Vino Veritas

You can always increase the Cool factor...

speciallist (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:51AM EST (link)

of your car by sticking some Surf-racks on it…..(or some Gun-racks)

Or a windmill hood ornament.

blooch Monday, May 11th at 12:12PM EST (link)

I wonder if you’ve tripped up avgamerican with your sig line yet LOL

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

 
 

Everyone beats up on

LibRick (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 12:22PM EST (link)

those old Gremlins as examples of crappy US auto engineering. They were pretty bad but in those days Honda had the CVCC … a high mileage rattly rollerskate. Two people could pick it up and rotate it in a parking space…I actually did that once and the chassis tended to fall apart around the drivetrain.

 
 
 
 

Saturn was awful

Darin_H (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:22AM EST (link)

I owned a 1994 SC2 (coupe), that thing was chock full of cheap plastic, the handling was mush, but at least the engine was “peppy.” I didn’t see any difference between that car and any other cheap domestic coupe. It was certainly not comparable to any Japanese car. I ended up letting my parents trade in my car and taking their 1988 Accord when they were buying a new car way back then. A 6 year older vehicle was much better built, even with being the base model and me having to roll the windows down :)

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

 
 
 

Ah, a Barrett-Jackson auction fan!

Josh Painter (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 9:00AM EST (link)

Time to take that ’69 Boss 429 Mustang out of the garage, dust it off, and see whit it will fetch.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

 

GM - Chrysler - dodo birds....

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 9:23AM EST (link)

The only folks that will be buying GM – Chrysler are the same ones who bought into sub-prime loans…Obama will be able to cook the books for awhile and “sales” will appear to be up….In a year it will crash hard because all along those people were not paying for the cars…..
Obama should be a juggler at the circus.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Well, I wouldn't say that

Raven (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 10:24AM EST (link)

I’m waiting for the Dodge Charger to be available for a price I’m willing to pay.
And if all this keeps up, It’ll happen…

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

Don't forget

snewb098 Monday, May 11th at 11:56AM EST (link)

the hemi-cuda and the 383 road runner!

 
 
 

SUV's

snewb098 Monday, May 11th at 9:47AM EST (link)

Weren’t SUV’s created for soccer moms so
it would be easier to strap their children into those
removeable seats without bending over and breaking their back?
And weren’t these restraining seats mandated by law?
The new GM cars will be smaller, less safe, low horsepower(which will do great at high altitudes) unable to tow anything etc.
I did like the 1969 Camaro SS 396 with 350 horsepower.
Now it’s Toyota for me.

No problem.

abbynormal Monday, May 11th at 10:02AM EST (link)

Car size and child seats won’t be a problem when you’re only allowed to have two carbon emitting children. When the taxes hit next year, families won’t be able to afford expensive sports programs for their kids, so no more soccer, swim, baseball, hockey moms hauling kids and equipment in their gas guzzling road hogs. A basketball will fit nicely in the trunk of your new Earth Friendly Obamacar. Sports fields will be converted to community gardens, and swimming pools filled in and converted to basketball courts.

Soccer only, and no score-keeping; way too competitive.

Achance (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:26AM EST (link)

All the other sports are too male oriented and bring out agression that the socialist paradise can’t tolerate. Plus, all the equipment is too exclusionary. The government will issue soccer balls to everyone and production of all other sports equipment will cease. Likewise, there will be a General Issue sneaker because the competion for status in sneakers is antisocial as well.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Actually the SUV's were the American carmakers' response to CAFE standards

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 12:59PM EST (link)

The SUV’s were built on a truck chassis instead of a car chassis so they didn’t break cafe standards for sedans the way the preferred station wagon did. But, yeah, same result. SUVs were the result of government outlawing the car American moms wanted to drive. It is true that most driving in the US is the daily commute, but you still have to work in the vacation, and the cars that maximize for the commute won’t cover that.

We love our

Rapunzel46 Tuesday, May 12th at 1:05AM EST (link)

SUV Chevy Suburban. Guess we won’t be trading it in for anything else for a good long time.

 
 
 

GM will not be allowed to fail.

abbynormal Monday, May 11th at 9:53AM EST (link)

The government will change all necessary laws to ensure GM becomes the #1 car seller in America.

For instance, AP reports the Justice Department is ramping up its antitrust efforts: In a statement, Assistant Attorney General Christine Varney said the change is “the clearest way to let everyone know that the Antitrust Division will be aggressively pursuing cases where monopolists try to use their dominance in the marketplace to stifle competition and harm consumers.”

Obama can direct new standards in emissions, safety, manufacturing, etc.. use tax dollars to retool factories, and sell at lower prices (with special govt. financing and/or rebates) than other manufacturers. I can even see him going so far as making ownership of cars that don’t meet new standards illegal, thus forcing the purchase of Government Motor cars.

 

Forcing the purchase of Government Motor cars

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 10:01AM EST (link)

What – they gonna hold a gun to my head??
Obama is opening another Pandoras box.
The rest of the world will declare an open economic war
on America – on all fronts if Obama and his thugs try
car stunts like these….
The faster Obama pushes – the faster he hastens his demise.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

I'll never buy any car run by the government..

William_L Monday, May 11th at 10:36AM EST (link)

..until it is returned to private citizens..

Make a deal with the devil, you’re going to loose. And, I will not support the UAW and their willing sellout politicians..

FAIL!
BYE!

Good news for America, bad news for democrats
Bad news for America, good news for democrats

55555

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 10:38AM EST (link)

“Make a deal with the devil, you’re going to loose.”

 
 

They may want to check out a Toyota lot

Darin_H (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:12AM EST (link)

Last month I had to say goodbye to my F-150 since the child seat didn’t fit in back, and I wasn’t about to put it in the front seat (even with turning off the airbag). So we did the ever-fun task of car shopping. I noticed how many Priuses (Priui?) were for sale at the Toyota dealers around, both new and used. There used to be a backlog of people waiting several months to buy them. The additional $8000 over a comparable Corolla just isn’t much of a draw these days I guess.

BTW, we settled on a Honda Pilot – big enough for me over the CR-V and Toyota’s Highlander and Rav4, small enough for my wife over me wanting to go bigger towards the Expedition. Rides nice, seats 8, has good HP. We’re now an all-Honda family.

I still miss my truck.

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

 

Ford is doomed by pattern bargaining in reverse.

Achance (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:34AM EST (link)

The two Government Motors companies will be able to off-load their legacy costs to the taxpayers. No labor concessions will be tolerated in the bankruptcy reorganization of GM and Chrysler, so the labor cost bar will be set and GM and Chrysler will have the advantage of having off-loaded their retiree costs.

Ford on the other hand, will be tortured by the government and the UAW if it does anything to control its labor costs or puts up any resistance to draconian CAFE and safety regulations. Ultimately, Ford will be forced into the government motors pattern or it will suffer such a price disadvantage that no matter how much people want to support Ford, they won’t pay to do it.

As to the transplants, card check will put them in the same place as Ford. In the unlikely event that card check legislation is unsuccessful, the governments regulatory powers and taxation powers will bring them furrin’ companies to heel.

It’s a brave new world. If you like real cars, buy one now, but you might have to hide it and only drive it late at night and way out in the country in a few years.

In Vino Veritas

Why not just let GM and Chrysler go splat?

David123 (Diary) Tuesday, May 12th at 12:41AM EST (link)

because that would decrease the supply of cars which should create an environment where at least Ford could survive profitably – as well as the American arms of Toyota, etc.

If GM and Chrysler are kept alive artificially, that could/would create an environment where all the car companies eventually go splat.

David123

 
 

But if GM went BK, these lines

LibRick (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 12:03PM EST (link)

would probably still be discontinued. I’ll admit that I’m a bleeding “Heart of America” guy when it comes to cars like the ‘Vette or Camaro. Sadly, Pontiac seems doomed in any scenario.

It would be horrible to see some country like China buying the “brand” at a song and marketing Chicom muscle cars.

GM had revenues of ~$260 billion in '08

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Tuesday, May 12th at 12:56AM EST (link)

but costs of ~$300 billion.

Still, they have factories that can produce cars, and physical assets (e.g. land, buildings) worth something. Just not for $300 billion/year.

There has to be some productive use of the ability to generate $260 billion. Perhaps in pieces sold to vultures, and certainly not providing the same salary manna as before.

But it can’t be zero.

 
 

Not much of a car enthusiast myself

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 1:03PM EST (link)

but I still don’t like government telling us what we can buy, which is effectively what this bailout has done. No cars for me from any of the big 3 in the future no matter what name they wind up selling under. They sold out the American dream, they don’t get a dime from me if I can prevent it. They’re already getting too many that I can’t prevent.

 

Who's going to buy GM vehicles?

DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 1:05PM EST (link)

Certainly not me. I won’t support either the Obama Motor Co. or the UAW directly now or ever. I have a Chevy Tahoe now and when it’s time to replace it it will be a Ford, maybe, or a “foreign” brand.

And I only have anecdotal evidence to support this statement but Liberals don’t buy Big 3 vehicles. Conservatives do because we like trucks and SUV’s a lot more than the eco-guilt ridden Liberals, so if even a small fraction of us boycott GM and Chrysler, can they survive?

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Good point. My father worked for GM for 30 years

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 2:30PM EST (link)

and every car I have purchased has been from General Motors.

However, I’m sure my dad is rolling in his grave over Government Motors.
When Govt Motors loses loyal customers like me, who will be left? I had my eye on the G8 & Camaro for my next car (still a couple of years away for this somewhat frugal guy), but I’m not liking what I see coming out of this situation.

 
 

Pathetic Performance

1stRichard (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 1:27PM EST (link)

First I can tell some of you have little clue about driving. You certainly have no clue what it is like to have the secondaries of a Q-Jet go WOT under your right foot. Nor do you know if the car you are driving now has understeer or oversteer. As an old “Gear Head” I have been attacked by the government since the 70’s and for those that have unplugged your EGR only to find a burnt valve you know this to be true. There was the Energy Tax Act of 1978 instituted a Gas Guzzler Tax and now we have the government directly involved with the production of automobiles. More importantly this is almost a religion that is being attacked, for some and a true American symbol as important as the US flag that is about to be lost. It would be a true tragedy if this was lost and a blatant attack on individuality. I consider such actions taken by our government as treason and sedition, such social engineering is totally unacceptable.

I have two Q-jets, and the sound of those secondaries,

Achance (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 2:00PM EST (link)

as much as I love it, is something I really, really try to avoid hearing! My boat has twin GM 305s with Q-jets, and I can almost afford the gas if I stay out of those secondaries. I have to open them up to get it up on plane, but I try to always keep out of them when cruising.

In Vino Veritas

Sweet Music

1stRichard (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 6:47PM EST (link)

I think it is sweet music and the Q-Jet has much better fuel economy then a double pumper. When you get up to a 4 bolt 400 and over a half inch cam you really start to feel it, totally addicting. If you are getting that bad fuel economy you may have the wrong setup. A well tuned Q-Jet can get as close as one MPG to a closed loop EFI. Unfortunately there are only a handful of us that knows how to do this, a sort of lost art.

They're tuned pretty well, that's not the issue.

Achance (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 7:21PM EST (link)

It’s just there is no loafing or off power time with a marine engine pushing 10-12, 000 pounds of boat THROUGH the water; the engine is heavily loaded at all times. Mine will cruise at 23-25 smph at about 33-3400 rpm, which is just below where the secondaries want to start opening, so I keep it there usually. Get over that “sweet spot” cruising speed and fuel usage goes up exponentially. Mine will cruise at about 10 gph/engine, but that can easily go to 20+ gph/engine if you push it hard and it is heavily loaded or dealing with heavy wind and wave action.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

Sometimes it's go big or go home

gigi36b Monday, May 11th at 2:05PM EST (link)

When you have four kids that require 2 hockey bags and a stroller, the only option for transportation is a Suburban. Believe me, we tried a smaller SUV, but nothing could hold it all.
How is all this supposed to fit into a Gremlin?
I don’t support Ford currently, as they are Planned Parenthood supporters and I’m not buying a family hauler from them. I’m not supporting Government Motors when this Suburban gives up the ghost either.
What is left? Toyota? Will other foreign car companies step up to fill the void?

 

If you have kids and grandchildren...

Josh Painter (Diary) Tuesday, May 12th at 8:54AM EST (link)

there are times when they all come to visit. In the case of my sister and b-i-l, sometimes only the Ford Expedition has enough room.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)