For Dems, Sarah Palin is their next Rush Limbaugh


We learned from Greg Sargent’s blog The Plum Line that Democrat strategists have plans to increasingly elevate Gov. Sarah Palin as a leader in much the same way they have done with Rush Limbaugh in recent weeks.

Sargeant reveals that James Carville, who mapped out the Limbaugh strategy, told him that Dems will be increasingly elevating Palin, because she’s “an identifiable person who has a hook,” unlike GOP Congressional leaders such as Rep. Eric Cantor and Sen. Mitch McConnell.

This strategy could turn out to be self-defeating for several reasons:

1. Immediately after the recent White House attacks on Rush, his ratings went up significantly, even doubling in some markets and among certain demographic groups. “Elevating” Gov. Palin in the same manner will only serve to help establish her as the front runner for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, saving her the work of having to beat out other Republican contenders such as Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal and Mark Sanford. If the Obama administration and Congressional Democrats cannot solve the country’s problems, voters will be more inclined to give the GOP another chance to fix things, so this strategy by the Dems may help create the “monster” that could defeat them.

2. If the aim of the strategy is to drive down Palin’s numbers among independents, it could backfire on the Democrats. A Pew Research poll conducted last fall found that 41 percent of independents said that they thought the press had been too tough on the governor. Now that President Obama’s approval numbers are slipping, especially among independents, that key group could perceive the Democrat’s attacks on Palin the same way they saw the media attacks. If they think the Democrats are unfairly dissing Palin, there’s just no win there for the Dems.

3. In much the same manner, attacking a woman has a high degree of risk associated with it. If she is perceived as being attacked because of her gender, there is no way this strategy can help the Dems. It will likely result in Palin being perceived as a sympathetic figure, especially among women.

4. The Democrats are still behaving as if they were the minority party. They are now in control of all three branches of government. The American people are expecting results out of them, not constant attacks on the opposition. It may well be perceived by voters as the Dems making excuses for a failure to solve the nation’s problems by continuing to blame the opposition instead of actually fixing things.

It’s risky business all right, and the donkey party could very well come to regret going down this particular road. Time will tell. If the strategy fails, Mr. Carville may find a much smaller market for his services.

- JP


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These idiots NEVER learn.....Rush's numbers are through the ROOF....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 5:42PM EST (link)

because of their attention this of course will be good news for Sarah as her numbers should increase greatly…..NO ONE appreciates someone being picked on constantly it tends to make people feel sorry for that person and ANGRY at the perpetrators…silly tools!

Rush himself had alot to do with that

scarlos (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:38PM EST (link)

I think the biggest reason that backfired is that they picked a very bad target. The man is articulate, genuine, and smart, and has spent 2 decades on the radio, so he’s a natural when it comes to arguing policies.

If Palin is ready and able to fight back, it will blow up in the Democrat’s face. But getting this sort of media attention (again) will do her no good if she doesn’t have anything meaningful to say.

Socialism is Oligarchy in disguise

The people had a lot do do with it

bobojake (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:06PM EST (link)

We are getting sick of the the purple kool aid kid and his distortions(back home we call them lies). Every day obama steps deeper in the muck with his sidekick b b b bbob. He had no business firing the CEO of GM.
In my opine that was obamas spoiled brat way of trying to get back at Rush and Hannity as GM advertises with Rush and Hannity Shows. As obama goes down the USA will rise again. God Bless America and the Real Americans.

I'd like to know where the Republican Oposition is to that!!!

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:34PM EST (link)

He had no business firing the CEO of GM.

Where the hell are these chicken SHXXS! It was time to take the gloves off two years ago…it’s a little late to put water on the fire after the house has become nothing more than a smoldering heap of ash!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

All she needs to do is soldier on...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:30PM EST (link)

and let Carville, Greenberg,and the forehead play their childish games…..keep telling the Golden child to stick his money where it belongs…Keep sticking it to the Alaska Establishment…Keep telling the country club crowd where to get off… Let the People do the rest!!!!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

shhh...we need to keep quiet and let them think their bafoonery is working! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:20PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

They're afraid of her Qualities, as in this video...

vidsweet Thursday, April 2nd at 12:40PM EST (link)

Seriously, the Dems in power are drunk with power. But Americans hate bullies and this will only rally them. An unmuzzled, fiery Palin is unstoppable. If she can use her wit and smarts to slam the Dems as she did Ashley Judd, and if the media covers it (which they will because they’ll want to report on the Dems’ attack, and also Palin’s response), then it’s checkmate. Americans love the underdog. GAME ON, democrats!

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Railin' On Palin

Sharp_Right_Turn Monday, March 30th at 6:08PM EST (link)

The Left can savage Palin until the cows come home. If things continue to go south under the Obama administration, even many of her detractors will give her another look…especially when double digit employment, double digit interest rates, skyrocketing inflation and continous foreign affairs embarrassments start mounting.

Bear in mind that the Left vilified Reagan for nearly 2 decades and really put the screws to him during 1980 campaign. Despite all of their efforts, 4 years of Jimmy Carter was too much for most Americans to bear.

If Obama keeps doing what he’s doing, Americans wouldn’t think twice of voting for Michael Palin, let alone Sarah.

 

Democrats always

10ksnooker (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:09PM EST (link)

turn out trying to be too smart for their own good.

 

I occasionally check out the enemy.

AngstFree Monday, March 30th at 6:10PM EST (link)

I didn’t have it in my favorites (and still don’t, hehe) so I goggled Huffington Post. If you check out their main menu you’ll see that Sarah Palin has a prominent position. I think it’s been there for awhile and I never understood why, well, until now. They really are frightened of this lady.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=h0&oq=hu&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIC_enUS231US231&q=huffington+post

Yeah, I've tried the "know thine enemy" approach...

TNJim (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:14AM EST (link)

… by checking out HuffPo, Kos, Salon. I just can’t do it for very long at a time. Too excruciating. And nauseous, especially Kos.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 
 

NOTHING out of these guys

Deskpilot (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:16PM EST (link)

would surprise me, NOTHING!
Remember Alinsky:

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

Any attention to Gov. Palin will do more to again distract the ignorant electorate to the true damages to our great Republic in Washington D.C.

The willing lemmings in the MSM will surely comply with the marching orders and will launch a MASSIVE campaign of confusion and distraction.

I know that I can caount on RS, ND, WND, Fox, to cut through the morass to properly identify the culprits of this scheme and shine the light of truth on all isuues, while never letting their eye off the circus under the shadow of the Washington Monument and the Rotunda.

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can still read it in English, You’re Welcome
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How many of you have bought/borrowed Rules for Radicals?

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:22PM EST (link)

If you don’t like this stuff, if you don’t like losing to these ploys, you need to learn the plays and learn how to run the defenses. Even if you have to have it on a wristband, at least having a clue how to read the play and run the defense goes a long way.

It ain’t rocket science, but it looks like magic if you don’t know what you’re seeing.

In Vino Veritas

I find this Dem need for an enemy fascinating for two reasons

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 7:40PM EST (link)

and I suspect this is also related to the Alinsky strategy
but

a) That they can’t seem to get excited by Obama’s policies
and
b) That no elected Republican in DC has posed enough of a threat to them to warrant being the enemy of the month

I halfway expect that an elected Democrat in DC or more than one will be targeted before an elected DC repub
given the increasing number that are denouncing Obama’s policies

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This need for an enemy...

Paul_In_Houston Monday, March 30th at 9:20PM EST (link)

is the same as a need for scapegoats.

It’s a need most felt by losers with an overwhelming inferiority complex.

I was somehow under the impression that they had WON.

They sure aren’t acting like it.

-

 

HMMM

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:55PM EST (link)

That no elected Republican in DC has posed enough of a threat to them to warrant being the enemy of the month

What does that tell you about our “Leaders”? {/SARC}

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Just what I was thinking as I read the rule #11 post...

USNJIMRET (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:14PM EST (link)

Every concerned Conservative should be saying something to the effect of:
“Obama claims he ‘inherited’ the deficit and financial mess. Which he promptly made even worse with massive mortgaging of our children’s future.”

Oops, meant to add more...

USNJIMRET (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:21PM EST (link)

Make the total SIZE of the deficit Obama’s and the Democrat’s. Every single penny of it.
When someone tries to talk about how Obama claims he will cut the deficit in half by XXXX, remind them that it will STILL be far bigger then what he claims he ‘inherited’.
Don’t let people define the financial mess as anything but one that the Democrats own, every single penny of it!

 
 

I agree Achance...continuing your football analogy however...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:53PM EST (link)

the Dems never stop running the same play…all we need is for one of the coaches to realize it’s the same play and the next play will have the same ball going through the same hole…if you cram the whole with a bunch of bodies that shouldn’t normally be there you can throw your opponent off balance and get the ball back…

do you see any coaches catching onto the Dem Strategy? I haven’t for 20 years!

Listen to me…I must be maturing in my Politics…I sound as jaded and synical as you now!

:>)

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Who Next ?

philottee Monday, March 30th at 6:22PM EST (link)

Will it be Winston Smith ?
Or, rather, just some common man who has no apparatus to speak out against the lies, falsehoods and smears ?

Carville is a genius !

Joe the Pumber

tjexcite (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:00PM EST (link)

“apparatus to speak out against the lies”

Tried that did not work so they moved on for the most part.

When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all

 
 

It would a nice twist....

baserunr (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:27PM EST (link)

when Governor Palin notes “It’s a shame that Barack Obama and the Democrats are still fighting the last election, instead of concentrating on fixing the country’s problems. The Democrats have been in charge for X years, and theystill don’t seem to have a handle on the problems.”

Creating the monster that may destroy them indeed….

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

 

I Look Forward to Seeing Her Handle This

EzOnTheEyez Monday, March 30th at 6:29PM EST (link)

As a libertarian-conservative who really likes Sarah Palin but who has Mitt Romney listed as my frontrunner for 2012, I hope that this is the case because I will be very interested to see how she holds up under a whithering attack from the socialist wing of American politics. Part of what I really like about Mitt is that he’s so unflappable. The other part I like about Mitt is that he’s absolutely brilliant and has a nearly impeccable track record as an executive leader.

I know that the forces aligning against Sarah Palin are truly evil and so I will certainly be praying that she receives divine wisdom to endure. I hope that this will help her learn to plant her roots even more firmly the ideology of freedom – economic, political, and religious.

In contrast to most of the McCain campaign, I’ll gladly hold Sarah’s hand when she wants to pray before a debate – figuratively or literally. I spent all of the afternoon before her Republican convention speech praying that she’d do well (and that my lost calico Condi would return.) As soon as Sarah concluded knocking Obama over in her terrific convention speech (and looking absolutely fabulous doing it in Valentino) I heard Condi outside my door. I considered it an evening of answered prayer, for certain. :-)

MEOW... for prayers answered (nt)

Deskpilot (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:32PM EST (link)

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Hmm. Briar Patch?

jimmuy8 (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 7:41PM EST (link)

Who is this Carville guy working for, anyway? First Rush, and now Palin?

When your strategy is “get Americans to focus on the winning ideals of the Republican Party” just who are you working for?

What will they do when (note: not if) Palin goes on Rush’s show?

 

Sarah might think of getting her own talk show

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:36PM EST (link)

and tell politics to go to – you know….

Hmmmm – I could make 10 Million a year blabbing
or $400,000 a year as the pres???

Or maybe she could take on Oprah.

I hope she can be strong enough to fight for the rest of us.

She really needs to start a legal defense fund to take on

all the loony lawsuits they are throwing at her.

If Rush, Hannity & Levin could throw a few million in the pot

that would be a good start.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Or she could just give up the emails

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:12PM EST (link)

and start working out of the Juneau office and not collecting per diem or even, not hauling Todd and her kids along at State expense when she travels. Little of this is some vast left wing conspiracy; it’s Gov. Palin pushing, I think breaking, the envelope on some things and you don’t have to be a lefty to object to it. The fact that the lefties have jumped on it is eminently predictable, but she hasn’t proven to be much on that unintended consequences things.

In Vino Veritas

Let's be fair Achance

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 10:13PM EST (link)

Does anyone really care that a mother wants to keep her kids with her when she travels and wants to be home with them as much as possible…all I hear is the Democrats crowing…and crickets chirping all around them.

I don’t think she should give in to them and should go on offense…you can’t tell me there aren’t others in the establishment trying to destroy her that don’t have worse on their expense accounts and she damn well should point it out…I’d give anything to take the field with her on this because it’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned…

I’d play it up that the mean ole family hating Democrats are trying to effectively take her kids away from her and split her away from her husband with such criticism…oh…and by the way…what about Chairman Moneybags, and assemblyman Special Intrestbaby and their trips with their mistresses to Hawaii! Or Judge Holierthanthou and his campaign contributions and judicial rulings that favor his political patrons!

I think there is a whole lot of nothing there and if the Dems push the line that the Palin family is benefiting from her position as governor too far there will be more of those political bodies littering the landscape we’ve heard so much about!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Hoisted from the Republican pitard, Ace,

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 10:18PM EST (link)

and she put the pitard in place. She is Ms. Took on the Corrupt Bastards, Ms. Open and Transparent, Ms. I Thank God That I Am Not As Others – and yes, I know exactly where that line comes from.

If you’re going to say you’re as pure as the driven snow and say that others are not, then you’d damn well be as pure as the driven snow. The rules are simple and everyone with a triple digit IQ knows them; she just thought they didn’t apply to her.

In Vino Veritas

So it's the establishment Republicans dragging her through the mud?

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 10:56PM EST (link)

doesn’t surprise me…but the way forward and out of the mud for her is as I described it…I’d give anything to throw their hypocrisy in their faces…the time for her to back down and stop using the rules as they’ve been used in the past is long gone…if she backs down from them now she loses by admitting she was wrong…she needs to keep her nose to the grindstone…call them on THEIRhypocrisy and use the fact that they are once again attacking her family to beat them over the head with it.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

No, you're oversimplifying, Ace.

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:02PM EST (link)

It isn’t “establishment Republicans,” though some may be cheering sometimes. There’s plenty of gadflies that like to file complaints against politicians. She laid herself open to it by saying she was Polly Perfect; she’s not. The only thing that you have to go on that says anybody is a hypocrite is her saying so. Did it ever occur to you that you don’t really know a damned thing about her except what she’s told you?

I suppose I’m one of those establishment Republicans, so whenever you feel like you have something you want to throw in my face, come on up and give it a try.

In Vino Veritas

Huge Palin fan cites a flaw but thinks its too early for 2012 handicapping

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:25PM EST (link)

I love Palin and have since early 2007 when I saw her on two long C-Span segments in which she was interviewed on most of the issues of the day before she had the spotlight on her. Before I saw these segments, I had poo-poo’ed her viability for VP based on her age and that she had so many young children.

But she won me over based on her orthodox conservative positions on the issues, mostly. She also showed that she shared traditional American judeo-christian values and so was likely to make the right decisions as new issues arose. She also present as one that had courage and character based on her political successes against elites in Alaska.

The most important things to me in a President is, in the order of importance: policy positions/values, character and courage.

Experience is an amorphous over-rated term in my opinion. many of the most experienced in DC are wrong on many issues despite same and lack courage to take on the elites.

One small problem I have seen since the election was that she let her daughter go on the talk show circuit.

This bothers me.

more later

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Here's the deal Mike;

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:36PM EST (link)

she was an “elite.” The Party Chairman pushed her for the Lt. Gov. slot. Fmr. Gov. Hickel practically adopted her. Sen. Murkowski made it very clear when he ran for Gov. that she was his favored Lt. Gov. candidate. When she lost, Gov. Murkowski gave her what was at the time the best patronage job in the State.

She turned on all those people who made her ascension possible. I don’t know that Gov. Murkowski could have ever overcome the furor about his appointement of Lisa, but her constant allegations of corruption and coziness with the Industry, amplified by the ADN since she was their favorite R, sure as Hell didn’t help him.

And what most causes me heartburn with her is that I know exactly what happened regarding her self-styled “outing” of the Party Chair, and it ain’t what she says.

Sarah Palin is about Sarah Palin. BTW, that vaunted opposition to stimulus money is now just a desire for a dialog with the Legislature about whether to take it, which, of course, they want to do. Her new AG is a board member of the NRA, wonder why? At least the odds are looking better that she won’t be seeking re-election as Governor in ’10.

In Vino Veritas

politicians

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:44PM EST (link)

I have no reason to doubt your points and I probably mis-used the word elites.

I guess my main response to those facts is that I don’t have high expectations of any politician, esp given the game since free speech was limited by CFR and that despite similar flaws in many previous presidents, I am most satisfied with the predictive power of their policy positions.

I agree with Sarah on the issues. I think I can trust her not to sell out the US like Bill Clinton and trust that our shared values is a good predictor that she would make good decisions and that she has the courage to do the right thing rather than seek the approval of beltway elites and the press.

relatively speaking

That said, I have no idea who I would support in 2012, but I certainly would be comfortable with her as President.

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I fundamentally agree with you, GC.

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:50PM EST (link)

She’d stay close to those values and certainly not do a Clinton on the US.

I’d be a lot more comfortable with her being President if she’d show a little more interest in being Governor.

In Vino Veritas

 

I wouldn't have the same confidence

AKSteveB (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 1:13AM EST (link)

I agree that she is a conservative “in the gut.” but her career has mostly been about playing to the audience that she believes can do her the most good. At this stage of the game, that means playing to the National conservative base.

Hell is other people – Sartre

The best results for America would come from playing to that base! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:27AM EST (link)

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Amen GC!!!!! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:47AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Understood, but I believe she'd abandon that

AKSteveB (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:10PM EST (link)

base in a heartbeat, if she thought it was to her advantage. So far that is the history.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 
 
 
 
 

There is much to be said for loyalty...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:45AM EST (link)

and I’m asking you for your inside point of view…were the Republicans that were destroyed guilty of what they were accused of?

I gather from what you said that the Republican Chairman wasn’t…but I would be curious to know if Murkowsky, Stevens and the rest of the crony class were guilty or not and if you think she should have turned a blind eye to it since they were in essence her sugar daddies?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Come on Art...now who's over simplifying...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:36AM EST (link)

My intent wasn’t to throw anything in your face…

As for what I know or don’t know about her you should know me well enough by now to know I’ll admit my ignorance on something and I’ll admit my comparative ignorance to yours since you obviously know more than I do living in the state and personally knowing the personalities involved…I can only speak in generalities but the generalities I am speaking to are no less true.

I still say this can be turned to her benefit from a tactical point of view, (setting her politics aside since I never said anything about her political positions). If she would go at the criminals dragging her through the mud for attacking her family and questioning her desire to keep her family by her side while pointing out the same behavior of her critics. And I still assert that it would be foolish of her to:

…just give up the emails…and start working out of the Juneau office and not collecting per diem or even, not hauling Todd and her kids along at State expense when she travels.

If she were to do so…she would be admitting she had done something wrong. Again, I defer to your superior knowledge in this area and ask you…if what she is accused of doing is against any law or policy and has it been the past practice of other government officials to do the same…or is she being singled out for harsher treatment simply because she’s played herself off as Polly Pure Bread? If she has broken no ethics laws or not violated any policy, then why should she give up and let those attacking her who use the same perks of office walk away scott free with a sneering smirk on their faces like always happens when Democrats hypocritically drag Republicans through the mud for things the muckrakers have done themselves! It’s why we always lose and I for one am sick of it…and it’s why Palin is so popular with the base…maybe we’re wrong…and her persona is not what she’s presented…but the Party would do well to follow learn from her example of fighting and realize the Base hungers for people who say what they mean and mean what they say and will go down swinging rather than sell us out for their own political gain and instead of just laying down in the face of lies and smears from Democrats!

As for my comment on establishment Republicans…I did not direct that at you…I was replying to what you said above:

Hoisted from the Republican pitard, Ace,

Having gone back and read it again I see what you were saying…and I’d have gotten it the first time if you had said her own petard…but what I read was the Republicans were hoisting her on her own petard. That was news to me if it were true and I asked the question deferring to your obvious superior knowledge on the subject.

As for the following childish rant:

I suppose I’m one of those establishment Republicans, so whenever you feel like you have something you want to throw in my face, come on up and give it a try.

I’ve made plain in the past my admiration and respect for you and do so again…and I don’t think that statement is worthy of what I know about you…maybe you had a few too many wines…I don’t know. Luckily I’m not some cook or crazy out here in the blogosphere who might well take you up on your proposition and put a well placed 125 grain boat tail from out of no where in a very nasty place. I say that not as a threat but as a caution that it’s not wise to challenge people you do not know to a violent confrontation since you have no idea what they are capable of.

We’re freinds Art…whether you want to acknowledge it or not and I expect better from you

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace, as a fellow Palin fan, were you as bothered as I was

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:45AM EST (link)

by her letting her daughter go on the talk show circuit to discuss personal matters?

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yes...it cut into her credibility that she wanted to protect her children

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:50AM EST (link)

I’m not sure how old her daughter is…if she’s turned 18 yet, or if Sarah had any say in her daughter’s appearances…but it was a bad move…no doubt.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

I agree with Achance

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:13PM EST (link)

Some of it is liberal hysteria, some is the establishment type Republicans, (never underestimate their pettiness) but a lot of it she has brought on herself.

I said in an earlier thread that if she hoped to get back into national politics she needed to run for congress, and I was sorely abused.

But my reasoning is sound. she has a rap on her as being an insulated woman from an isolated state. If she were in congress for a while, meeting foreign dignitaries, traveling abroad. She would have that sort of experience as well as executive experience.

I hope she does NOT run for president next time, I think we have better potential candidates.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

In other words...she needs to spend some time inside the beltway learning to be the imside the beltway politician we all despise?

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:52AM EST (link)

But my reasoning is sound. she has a rap on her as being an insulated woman from an isolated state. If she were in congress for a while, meeting foreign dignitaries, traveling abroad. She would have that sort of experience as well as executive experience.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I stand by what I said

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:00PM EST (link)

Not every politician has the same abilities or the same liabilities. In her case it would help. BTW she doesn’t have to become “one of those we despise” none of them do.

That is their choice. do they stick with their convictions or sell out.

Not all of them sell out.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

I don't totally disagree...the problem is this

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:21PM EST (link)

we normally don’t vote Senators into the White House except when we don’t have a choice as in 2008….and we definitely don’t vote Presidents in from the Congress…The best path to the White House runs through the respective Executive Mansions of the various states. Palin would kill her chances if she went to the Congress and I would argue she would be swallowed up by the beltway if she didn’t surrender to it.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

but most senators don't have executive experience

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:35PM EST (link)

she already does. that is why having legislative experience as well might be helpful. There are other things she could do as well, For instance Mitt Romney gains a lot of goodwill for rescuing the winter Olympics. But unusual things are not usual.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 
 

Insulated and isolated? They have C-Span in Alaska...

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:40PM EST (link)

I’m with you on this Ace. Palin is right on the issues because she shares our values, is educated on history and is informed on the issues. Reagan never served in the House or Senate.

There is no evidence that she is insulated and isolated.

Rather, there is much evidence that many in the Beltway are insulated and isolated due to their longevity there.

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

perception is reality in politics and...

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:54PM EST (link)

she did nothing to dispel that perception in her horrible interviews.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Those interviews were not the whole story, as evidenced by the fact that McCain moved ahead

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 1:24PM EST (link)

in the polls after picking her and only went back down when he voted for the bank bailout.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

Hold on Mike...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:32PM EST (link)

I’m a fan…but I haven’t swallowed the bait yet…on this Art and I can agree…I want to know everything…good and bad before I committ…I went with W in ignorance, I went with GHW Bush in ignorance, I sided with Huckabee partly in ignorance…and partly because he made me wretch less than the rest….I settled on McCain and Dole knowing they were pathetic at best…this time I want to go in with my eyes wide open…

My inclination is as yours…

Palin is right on the issues because she shares our values, is educated on history and is informed on the issues.

She doesn’t need to be “seasoned, (read spoiled) inside the beltway!

I am excited about her…and I want to believe the billing…but I’m open to what Art has to say because he in essence is our boots on the ground so to speak. I’m objecting to his methods…not so much what he has to say about her.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 

Ace it's not just family hating democracts

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 1:15AM EST (link)

It’s not acceptable to have your children with you when doing work in public. I wouldn’t leave a nursing infant or toddler overnight either but why is she always appearing with her whole family? Her daughters are old enough to watch their sister. I’ve been alone with my son since he was an infant I can appreciate needing to earn money with a child next to you but I think it’s important to respect professional culture. I’m not excusing the dems immorality but I think she could appear more professional and play up that side more.

From a purely political perspective...having her family with her is a plus

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:26PM EST (link)

and I know…if I were in her place with my family, I would want my wife and 3 boys at my side as much as possible…and I would do everything I could ethically to keep them with me when I’m away from home…and to be with them when they are home.

I again ask if what she is doing is in any way out of the ordinary for past administrations…and could her critics stand up to the same scrutiny they are applying to her…if they can not…her folks should be on her like half starved wolves on a dead carcass!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

I wondered how long

Rapunzel46 Tuesday, March 31st at 12:28AM EST (link)

it would be before you showed up to trash her on this thread.

And I don't even have to wonder how long

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:40AM EST (link)

it will take for some sycophant to show up. Tell me something you KNOW about her, as in know from your own eyes, ears, nose, fingertips rather than just things you heard in her “one speech.”

In Vino Veritas

What I know is

Rapunzel46 Tuesday, March 31st at 1:50AM EST (link)

what you “claim” and then take such perverse pleasure out of spreading on thread after thread. You may be who you claim you are or you may be one of the people working to astroturf her, I don’t know, what I do know is I seldom even bother to read what you write because it’s all the same every time.

Well cut your hair or something, Repunzel,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:03AM EST (link)

and go see who has the most recommended Diary on the board and who does so consistently. Somebody must take the time to read what I write.

Frankly, in your four months here, I hadn’t noticed you.

In Vino Veritas

RECOMMENDED DIARY!

lonebeagle Tuesday, March 31st at 2:37AM EST (link)

Hey, I think that there was once a corporal in Germany that had high ratings as well.

Phew, good thing you’re on OUR side!

You make the word “windbag” seem positively silent.

Okay, let’s hear your rant one more time!

Listen jackass,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:47AM EST (link)

you are totally clueless and degrade this blog by blathering on it.

Your Princess Palin is a public officer in my State. She thinks that things she does on State time, using State equipment, are exempt from my State’s Public Records law; she’s wrong. She knows she’s wrong, or she’s dumber than I think, but she’s counting on stringing it out long enough that nobody will notice when the Courts tell her she has to release it all. That’s when the World will know that Ms. Open and Transparent has been know to throw a few F-bombs around. She really didn’t want people to know that.

And we can examine how Ms. Open and Transparent cribbed invitations for her kids to events to which she was invited so she could bring her kids along at State expense. It really isn’t that much money, it’s just when you’ve made your political fortune by accusing everybody arround you of being corrupt, you oughta’ maybe follow the damned rules yourself.

I could go on but this is probably way past a nanocephalic’s attention span.

In Vino Veritas

Could you repeat that again (& again & again....

lonebeagle Tuesday, March 31st at 2:59AM EST (link)

I didn’t quite make out what you said–you’ve only said it about 4,328 times.

Oh, thanks for confirming that I’m not an “idiot”.

Idiot.

you are Not making friends...pinhead

speciallist (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:04AM EST (link)

see ya later

nanocephalice = pinhead - great minds! nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:06AM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 

No, nanocephalics don't quite make it to idiot usually. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:05AM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

OK...no one here is Hitler and that has no place here

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:30PM EST (link)

If you can Prove Achance has murdered Jews, Christians and Vagabonds by the millions and deserves to be compared to Hitler then produce the evidence…if you can’t…maybe you should STFU and find the nearest exit!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Where did you learn to read?

lonebeagle Tuesday, March 31st at 2:50PM EST (link)

Hey Ace (or should I call you “Cowboy”):

Is that how they talk in the Lone Star State? STFU?

You obviously don’t have a very high reading capacity and your test scores on analogies must have been dismal.

I’m finding that there are really a lot of dumb Republicans on this site.

BTW, Achance, I hope that you aren’t posting here on State of Alaska time. I’m going to have to turn you in since surfing the net on State time is strictly forbidden.

Please enlighten me oh kind and mercifull master

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 9:59PM EST (link)

Hey, I think that there was once a corporal in Germany that had high ratings as well.

Phew, good thing you’re on OUR side!

So…were you drawing a comparison between Achance and Hitler or was your intent to draw a contrast? Oh wait…are we perchance speaking of a different German Corporal?` You know…I’m such a dumb Republican I could have missed some other German corporal in world history. I’m sure you can correct my ignorance and lack of reading comprehension if you would just slither out of that tree long enough to enlighten me. (how’s that for an analogy?)

As for reading comprehension…let me recommend a book for you that might not be too far over your head if you stretch for it…it’s called how to win friends and influence people…it’s obvious you haven’t read it…or maybe it’s too beneath your superior intellect

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 

"Sycophant" Achance

lonebeagle Tuesday, March 31st at 2:34AM EST (link)

Yep, just as expected, Achance drops his “sycophant bomb”.

Funny how a mid-level government bureaucrat like Achance always comes out witht the same rant against Sarah. It’s classic “Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome.”

Tell us all the story about how teenager Sarah sent all of those dreaded illegal emails via her Blackberry and how the State of Alaska is now on the brink!!

Oh my Gosh!

Tell us all how you once saw Sarah blow her nose and what color tissue she used!

Enquiring Minds Want to Know!

lonebeagle, idiots don't get responses. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:35AM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

get the f out (no pun intended) Achane

investedinterest Tuesday, March 31st at 3:10AM EST (link)

You now have access to state email records? No way.

Tell us more.

There really are no secrets. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:14AM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

So basically you heard some chatter!>>.

investedinterest Tuesday, March 31st at 3:18AM EST (link)

poor thing, I curse all the time but I don’t get bad pr for it :(

No. nt

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:20AM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

cold wars

investedinterest Tuesday, March 31st at 3:24AM EST (link)

I know you don’t like her much but can you give us a little insight on what you think she is going to do in the upcoming years? Senate Seat? House Seat? 2 term Gov ?

A second gubernatorial term isn't a good bet

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:31AM EST (link)

for her – or anybody else. Since oil, Alaska has only had two, Hammond and Knowles, and their second terms were anything but happy. At current revenue levels, the next Gov will have to make some very difficult choices, something she’s never had to do. If she ran, she’d probably win though not by any great margin; the bloom is off the rose here.

My money is she’s moving Heaven and Earth to try to get people to help her convince Rep. Young not to run. She’d win that seat pretty handily against any D. She won’t take on Lisa Murkowski, though I think she’d like to. Lisa would be a tough opponent and Palin might lose; can’t have that.

In Vino Veritas

hmm..

investedinterest Tuesday, March 31st at 3:59AM EST (link)

Some folks have suggested that a house seat might diminish her leadership presence…. In the sense that going from being a Governor of a state to being a national congresswomen in the house is a step down.

Do you buy any of this stuff at all?

btw, I don’t mind your comments at all. I realize that many of our politicians aren’t perfect in this world..

Hopefully she will now take the time to review the things she was so nonchalant about in the past.. She certainly has the “it” thing that got the empty suit elected. The Liberals will always hate her but she will need to gain their respect to be a viable candidate. I hate my maid, but I still keep her because she knows how to do her job better than anyone I can find at this point.

PS: The Governor doesn’t need any more bad news cycles, I hope the media doesn’t trounce her for cursing like Blago.

Sorry for bugging you with these annoying questions.

I don't really buy it.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:15AM EST (link)

Alaska is so remote and foreign and Americans so ignorant about it that some time on the National stage would be good for her; I’d buy her airline ticket, but not tickets for her kids.

She’s not in the Blago league, but she’s not the angelic thing some would have her to be.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

How many governor's elections have there been in Alaska?

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:01PM EST (link)

It became a state in, what, 1959? 50 years ago? With 4-year terms that’s not a lot of governor’s terms with which to make predictions about.

I can’t see her going to either the House or the Senate if she has any thoughts of running for President in 2012. This most recent presidential election notwithstanding, it’s traditionally been considerably easier for governors to be elected President than Senators or especially Representatives.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

yet you responded didn't you?

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:35PM EST (link)

Come on man…every one here has used work email to send personal messages so maybe you should get off your high horse…or do you expect us to believe you’ve never done that Achance?

ionbeagle is out of line with the name calling and I’ll back you on that…but I would like to see you answer that question!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

block out

investedinterest Tuesday, March 31st at 12:58PM EST (link)

Why can’t she block out all the f words on the messages lol…..

 
 
 
 

Attention:

Josh Painter (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 6:55AM EST (link)

Anyone who disagrees with Art is a Palin “sycophant.”

That is all.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

 
 
 
 
 

Sarah

rick554 Monday, March 30th at 9:55PM EST (link)

Note to Dems : BRING IT ON!
PALIN/CHENEY 2012
heh

Rick554

Sarah!

spedteacher Monday, March 30th at 11:12PM EST (link)

I could have a yard sale and send her the proceeds, plus anything else which I can add to the fund. I am supporting her any way I can.

 
 

Why do they hate her?

David123 (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:20PM EST (link)

Did she launch her political career from a terrorist’s house? NO

Did she try to personally enrich herself by selling an Alaska senate seat? NO

Did she sexually harrass her subordinates and lie about it under oath? NO

Did she give advanced technology to potentially hostile countries in exchange for campaign contributions? NO

Did she drown someone while driving drunk? NO

Did she routinely attend a church where America [or AmeriKKKa] is cursed? NO

Did she allow millions of residents to be flooded out of their homes without doing anything to try to stop it? NO

Did she run an ad in the newspapers accusing one of America’s best generals of betrayal? NO

What is the evil deed that Sarah Palin has done that makes people hate her so much? What awful act has she performed that has inspired a rise of McCarthyism against not just her, but also her family? What could it be?

Could it posiibly be that the real reason Sarah Palin is despised is because she did NOT kill any of her children????? What kind of person despises a woman for that reason?

David123

yeah that's pretty much it.

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:25PM EST (link)

mostly because her choices remind a lot of sorry childless people of their own awful choices.

Plus, lefty’s always have to have the two minutes of hate thing.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

If a pregnant woman's RIGHT to CHOOSE is so important

David123 (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:49PM EST (link)

then there’s something really wrong with vilifying her if she CHOOSES to give birth.

David123

 
 

PRECISELY - link FROM NOVEMBER: DC Ain't Down with her Baby

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:37PM EST (link)

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/07/dc-aint-down-with-her-baby/

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

"Lebensunwertes Leben" is an unAmerican slogan

David123 (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:31AM EST (link)

I read your linked column and it bothers me that people in Washington, including so-called conservatives, would be so antiPalin. To the extent that Palin-hatred is based on “Lebensunwertes Leben” it is really ugly, and if people realize it they’ll stop.

I am very afraid that there are influential people who are not trying to answer the question “when does life begin?”. No, they have already wrongly answered another question to their own satisfaction

Q: “When does life END?”

A: “When it becomes INCONVENIENT of course”

David123

 
 

Nothing that deep

Achance (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:42PM EST (link)

First, she’s a pretty woman; lefties really don’t like them much except for making beds and making them up. Lefty women REALLY don’t like women who fix their hair, wear hose, or smile. The fact that she has more than the government approved 2.1 kids is also an issue.

Second, she went to a state school and doesn’t wear her CV tatooed on her forehead. Really, don’t you think that only people who matriculated the Ivy League should be in charge of things?

Third, she’s from a remote, isolated state that does stuff like mine and pump oil and cut trees and carry guns and kill animals; can’t have that in DC.

In Vino Veritas

That's a response I can agree with Achance...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:43PM EST (link)

see…that wasn’t so hard was it?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

Technology ended the isolation elitists used to maintain power beginning with the printing press

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:49PM EST (link)

and then radio, TV and the Internet.

I wonder if TR and Wilson tried to stop Radio!

C-Span ended any notion that congressmen are particularly smart.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

I'm not excusing

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:19AM EST (link)

the way the media talked about her, especially her daughter, but do you think she invites some of it? Even when McCain announced her she said she was a hockey mom. I’ve never seen a candidate that always had their children around them like that when presenting to the media. Her oldest daughters are old enough to watch their sister and brother in another room. Also there is a way of answering personal questions quickly and moving on to another issue, and especially if you know the person asking is not like minded. I just wonder if some of it she invited by the way she presented herself.

invited

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:31AM EST (link)

is probably a bad term. I think she could have presented herself in a more professional way and done more to limit it. It’s like when she appeared or talked she unecessarily gave out more information about her private life instead of what she woul do as VP.

Absolutely agree with that statement

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:33AM EST (link)

She did actually conduct a couple of interviews of more substance in 2007: you should look them up, if you want her spin on what her philosophy is.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

If she hadn't given out information

Josh Painter (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 7:01AM EST (link)

about her private life, the small army of investigators the Dems sent to Alaska to go through every dumpster would have given it out and framed the story acording to their own agenda. Better that she beat them to the punch.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

 

her Family and her "Choice" is what defines her...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:45PM EST (link)

if she hustled the kids and hubby into the back ground Sarah just wouldn’t be Sarah

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Certainly, the image was probably over-emphasized

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:32AM EST (link)

to the point of being cheesy in a Brady-bunch way. However, I would not say that it was particularly unusual; the Clintons did much the same thing with their daughter, Chelsea, and in many ways the Clinton couple tried to present themselves as the “modern family”. Obama also did this to some extent, with most magazine front page photos having either Michelle or his daughters, or the whole family. None of this was remarked upon by the media. So, we have a double standard here.

More to the point, I wouldn’t mind if they had remarked on the specific behavior of the Palin family WRT their appearing as a family at political venues to craft an image. Instead, they decided to focus on a completely scurrilous and inconsequential story that added no new perspective to the Palins, but gave us a whole lot of perspective on the media’s priorities.

To answer your question, she invited this criticism not by the appearance she was trying to craft, but by being in the way.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 

Any conservative is a potential target

Adjoran (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:48AM EST (link)

Obama’s slime machine also ran attack ads against SC Governor Mark Sanford when he first mentioned his inclination to refuse most of the federal “aid” in the “stimulus” package. The campaign was regional, and the NYC-DC axis doesn’t pay much attention to what happens in the South, so it didn’t get the coverage the assaults on Limbaugh and Palin merited.

I believe they’ve run attack ads against Eric Cantor in Virginia, as well.

Make no mistake, these are no “independent” groups coincidentally reaching the same conclusions, choosing the same targets in the same order, and using the same phrases. It is all coordinated from the top. Fishes rot from the head.

I believe conservatives should present a united front. What we should NOT do is respond to any of the mud slung in any way. Defending legitimizes the attack.

Instead, we should respond to this and future smear campaigns with united righteous outrage at the nasty nature of the personal attacks, and tie them to Obama.

The swing voters aren’t too swift on the specific issues in politics; they don’t understand them and are not strongly influenced by them. But we can sway them to at least give us more of a listen if we draw their attention to fact that the other side is nasty, hateful, and belligerent, and their pretenses to bipartisanship or “post-partisanship” was a lie from its inception.

 

If the left sees Rush as the leader of the GOP...

TNJim (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:08AM EST (link)

given his popularity personified by his huge radio audience then naturally they see Palin as at least a 2nd in command given the popularity she achieved during the campaign with the GOP and many moderate women. Not that Rush doesn’t have plenty of female fans; Sarah also has plenty of male fans because of where she stood on the issues. Put those 2 camps together and you’ve got something going. Carville and Co. just can’t have the GOP being popular, not even with their own base. So, they Alinsky-like start the campaign against her now with hopes of discouraging her from entering the 2012 race. Well, it backfired on them with Rush and there’s a good chance it’ll backfire with Palin as well. She just needs to continue to do the things as governor that got her to where she is now while trying to avoid things that can even be remotely perceived as an ethics question.

Yeah that’s a tall order there as the left have a habit of creating scandal out of thin air, as she already knows.

Bristol being her youngest son’s real mother, anyone?

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

Sarah and Rush are REAL

lonebeagle Tuesday, March 31st at 2:55AM EST (link)

That’s why Democrats, liberals and RINOs hate them. And with Sarah, there’s the dreaded Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome which in women manifests itself as a continuous criticism of Sarah’s age, motherhood, skin, legs, figure, hair, make-up, clothes, diet, intelligence, confidence, husband, kids, achievements, religion, faith, patriotism, airline frequent flyer miles, per diem, and everything else that Achance has spouted out over the last 6 months.

In men, Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome appears mainly in those “men” who are insecure and as Rush says, are the new “castrati”. People like GOP mid-level bureaucrats who had their legs cut out from under them by Sarah, or who were bloodied by “Miss Wasilla” as they tried to intimidate the Barracuda. Yes these men end up sounding just Al Franken in drag–they complain that the rest of us really don’t know the “real Sarah” and that if we would only listen to them, we would learn the truth of the “killer from Wasilla”.

Rush, on the other hand, just cruises above the fray in his G550. Rush speaks his mind and someone must agree with him since I don’t see any other private citizen flying around the country in a G550.

So I like Rush and Sarah.

I'd take those shorts straight to the washer, lonebeagle,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:03AM EST (link)

else those crusty patches might leave a stain. Was your leg tingling too?

In Vino Veritas

Careful, Art...

azaeroprof (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:45AM EST (link)

Speaking as a Palin fan who has come to both respect your opinions on internal Alaska politics and to acknowledge that you have more first-hand knowledge of Palin than I.

I, like many here, look forward to hearing your initial comments on any substantive Palin issues that come up. As we move towards ’10 and ’12, I hope you continue to post diaries or comments that add perspective to flesh out her record and give us a more thorough appreciation for the details of her governance.

And yes, there are a number of ‘sycophants’ out there that just refuse to admit any fault on her part, even when justified. A lot of that response, IMHO, is a reflexive response to the continuing attacks on her by the Dems and the media.

But, your relentlessness in going after those who express their support for her has really started to make you look like a crusader. I disagree with the post above that implied that you are a moby, that was a cheap shot, but I caution you not to fall into the ‘the lady doth protest too much’ trap. It took me a while to learn to appreciate your viewpoint, but your persistence in pushing the point risks turning me and others of like mind back the other way.

Please don’t take me wrong, I’m not suggesting you keep your thoughts to yourself, just cautioning you not to go too far. Maybe that’s presumptious of me, but I think I represent the mainstream pro-Palin response to your posts, so feel comfortable making such a recommendation. Hope you take it in the respectful manner in which it is intended.

Objectively, you're right, azaeroprof.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:22AM EST (link)

That said, we’re supposed to be the people that think rather than feel. The totally emotional, totally ignorant, leg tingling, shorts staining stuff is what the Democrats do.

Most everybody here is more than happy to criticize BHO for coming from “one speech.” Well, all they know about Sarah Palin is “one speech.” There aren’t three people on this board who can objectively and knowledgably evaluate what she has done here in AK or separate actual actions from BS press releases. Yet, there are folks here who are ready to pronounce her the saviour of conservatism and the US.

Got a flash for you: Alaska isn’t a conservative state. It is a libertarian state with a socialist economy. That doesn’t translate well in the Lower 48.

In Vino Veritas

You must be a night owl, too!

azaeroprof (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:56AM EST (link)

’cause I think you’re only 1 hour behind me.

I know what you mean about AK’s political climate, but I think few people really know that, certainly in the general populace.

You’re right that most of us in the lower 48 who are Palin fans don’t know that much about her, but it is a little more than “one speech”. For 90%, it can more accurately expressed as “one campaign”. For some of us, we were made aware of her through blogs as much as 9-12 months before McCain picked her. I saw those C-span and CNBC interviews long before she was chosen. I know that’s not the same as on-the-ground knowledge of her Alaska history, but it is a bit more than just one speech or even one national campaign. And I’ve read a couple of the books about her, though they each will contain their own biases I’m sure.

And you’re right, too, about us being the ones who are supposed to think. But for our message to appeal beyond the “thinking Conservatives”, I think there has to be a “feeling” component. Much of Ronald Reagan’s appeal, while grounded in intellectual Conservatism, was how he made us “feel” as Americans. That was based not just on his ability to voice the principles of the movement, but in his sincerity and optimism. Sarah Palin, while no Ronald Reagan (yet??), makes many of us Reaganites “feel” the same way. This is not based necessarily on any record of governance (I couldn’t really even tell you much of what Reagan did as CA Gov!) but on her record of rising from fairly humble roots, her commitment to family, and her respect for life in her willingness to carry Trig to term (given that 90% of Down’s babies are aborted). I know that she may have myriad personal flaws (so did Reagan for that matter, just as Patty and Ron!), but I do believe she has the ability to make a very large number of people have a more favorable view of Conservatism.

Time will tell, though, to what extent that will carry her on a national stage!

Thanks for your thoughtful dialogue!

Supposed to be 'just ASK Patty and Ron' nt

azaeroprof (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:58AM EST (link)

Emotions are a trap, sometimes. nt

Alitheia (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:53PM EST (link)

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never be forced to live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

 
 

I think the point is Achance...that you have become emotional in your approach...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:09PM EST (link)

Please enlighten us from your perspective and let us learn from your inside knowledge. I for one was taken in by W and his so calle “Compassionate Conservatism” for eight years and I’m in no hurry to be played for a sucker again. I’m eager to hear anything you have to say about her in a calm and rational dialogue but the caution is…you are beginning to come off as someone with an axe to grind and a blind hatred of anything Palin. your irrationally vitriolic attacks on her…and namecalling and threats to longstanding members of RS do not become you at all…and it makes it that much less likely anyone will take you seriously.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

You have no self-awareness, Ace.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:32PM EST (link)

Remember you started by saying that you wanted to throw stuff in some people’s faces. I’m one of those people whose face you purport to want to throw stuff at. I invited you to do so, or try. That isn’t a threat, it’s just hospitality.

The only thing I sometimes get a little twisted about is how cavalierly every Palin supporter accepts her version of her rise to power and her statements about the people she’s dealt with here. As one of the people whose reputation, at least by association, she has blithely besmirched for her personal gain, I really don’t have much use for the woman or her version of history.

Now, before Neil has to lock down another thread, I tire of this. File this away though: she either runs for federal office or leaves government in ’10. There’s a great book deal awaiting her but Alaska’s ethics laws are too tough, so she has to get out to cash in. Then she can be fundraiser and pundit extraordinaire and test the breezes for ’12 and beyond.

In Vino Veritas

I wasn't including you in that for starters.

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 9:40PM EST (link)

Remember you started by saying that you wanted to throw stuff in some people’s faces. I’m one of those people whose face you purport to want to throw stuff at.

I was talking about the Democrats engaged in the witch hunt…and again…I know you have much to add from a different perspective and from a position of knowledge so I want to hear what you have to say…in fact I’m eager for your input….as long as you are rational in your responses…I’ve read every one of your posts here and see many good points…but it’s hard to get to them through all the vitriolic hyperbole and attacks on everyone’s character…

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

Achance is trying to save you from a big mistake.

Alitheia (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:51PM EST (link)

The liberals would love nothing more than for Palin to win the Republican primary in 2012.

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never be forced to live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

 
 
 
 

The post is far more about

youthgrunt (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 8:28AM EST (link)

the Democrats rather than Palin. But when we get into the comments, we begin the little flame war over whether Palin is the future of the party. The Democrats targeting Palin has nothing to do with WHO is the future of the party. They are targeting someone who can be polarizing. Is the choice right? Goodness sakes, just look at this thread. And this is between conservative leaning Republicans!

We must get to the point that even if we disagree with a candidate that we stand together to oppose the morally bankrupt tactics that are being used against them.

PTHLETHTTPHTTTTTFFFTTT!!!

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 2:19PM EST (link)

We must get to the point that even if we disagree with a candidate that we stand together to oppose the morally bankrupt tactics that are being used against them.

Tongue Out

There’s nothing new there…I’ve done that for 20 years!

We have to unite behind the

RIGHT

Candidate…I’m through uniting behind a label…”Show Me” or get the hell out of my way. That includes Sarah! Appoint another McCain and tell me about uniting! I’ll b e the first one out the door…

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I guess I'm not clear

youthgrunt (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 3:56PM EST (link)

This issue has nothing to do with “support”. The post had to do with the tactics that are being engaged in. The response has been to attack the target of the attacks–piling on. That is the wrong response.

If you have opposed the tactics for 20 years, great. But this thread shows that not everyone is with you. That is a shame.

 
 
 

Barack Obama : Sarah Palin :: Voldemort : Harry Potter

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 9:44AM EST (link)

I don’t have my copy of Harry Potter 6 handy to quote from, but there’s an excellent bit in it where Dumbledore goes on for a bit about how tyrants create the very people that have the power to overthrow them. If the Democrats continue with this plan, all they’ll do is set themselves up to be booted from power. Here’s hoping.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Not really

Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 9:45PM EST (link)

I think the MSM is still fixated on Palin because they have to find some way to amuse themselves now that Bush isn’t there to kick around, ridiculed about his speech patterns or being from Texas. Rush, also, was really just an interlude while the libs figure out who the next enemy should be. They had to quit dissing Rush because it helped more than harmed him. Palin, however, isn’t in the same situation.

No, their real target hasn’t gotten much notice, yet, but you can be sure its focus will be destruction of the Constitution.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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