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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the silliness is going to exist, maybe we can make some use out of it.

I&#039;m forming a team to sneak into Al Gore&#039;s spacious mansion as that day approaches to turn the heaters up to max upon the clock striking zero.

Lord knows there&#039;s enough room in that place to hide.  I just hope the heaters have enough power to heat that cavernous place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the silliness is going to exist, maybe we can make some use out of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m forming a team to sneak into Al Gore&#8217;s spacious mansion as that day approaches to turn the heaters up to max upon the clock striking zero.</p>
<p>Lord knows there&#8217;s enough room in that place to hide.  I just hope the heaters have enough power to heat that cavernous place.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit that I was fooled for a long time into believing there was something to this hoax. 

But I should have been more wary. All the warning signs were there.

(1) Scare tactics and sensationalist articles, just like with &quot;ozone hole, population bomb, Y2K &quot;scares and others before this one.

(2) Reliance on computer models  and consensus with scant real evidence, and some of that contradictory

(3) Adapting to the ever changing situation, Real scientific theories don&#039;t adapt, they are either reinforced, or discarded.  They don&#039;t change when contradictory evidence is found, so that the conclusion can be kept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that I was fooled for a long time into believing there was something to this hoax. </p>
<p>But I should have been more wary. All the warning signs were there.</p>
<p>(1) Scare tactics and sensationalist articles, just like with &#8220;ozone hole, population bomb, Y2K &#8220;scares and others before this one.</p>
<p>(2) Reliance on computer models  and consensus with scant real evidence, and some of that contradictory</p>
<p>(3) Adapting to the ever changing situation, Real scientific theories don&#8217;t adapt, they are either reinforced, or discarded.  They don&#8217;t change when contradictory evidence is found, so that the conclusion can be kept.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... (aka the Mississippian &amp; Pennsylvanian in the U.S.) is so-named because of the abundance of coal beds of that age worldwide.

That means there was a lot of vegetation -- that&#039;s one way Mother Gaia works off an excess of atmospheric carbon dioxide: it stimulates the growth of green plants.

Another mechanism is the increased uptake of carbon dioxide in the ocean, which in turn gets precipitated as calcium carbonate, or limestone. All those high concentrations of atmospheric CO2 turned into massive carbonate rock layers back in Paleozoic time. Just ask John McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; (aka the Mississippian &amp; Pennsylvanian in the U.S.) is so-named because of the abundance of coal beds of that age worldwide.</p>
<p>That means there was a lot of vegetation &#8212; that&#8217;s one way Mother Gaia works off an excess of atmospheric carbon dioxide: it stimulates the growth of green plants.</p>
<p>Another mechanism is the increased uptake of carbon dioxide in the ocean, which in turn gets precipitated as calcium carbonate, or limestone. All those high concentrations of atmospheric CO2 turned into massive carbonate rock layers back in Paleozoic time. Just ask John McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
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		<dc:creator>icbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ya got brains, boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya got brains, boy</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pushed for Cantor or Forbes or Newt&#039;s solutions at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pushed for Cantor or Forbes or Newt&#8217;s solutions at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2009/01/19/an-inconvenient-poll/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>something had to be done with urgency then given the freexing of bank to bank loans, but I get your point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>something had to be done with urgency then given the freexing of bank to bank loans, but I get your point!</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain fell for it, he got TARPED</description>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if Obama takes no direct action to curb CO2 emissions by passing a cap and trade bill. He will indirectly work toward the same goal by reimposing drilling bans, making the permitting process for new coal plants expensive and nearly impossible to navigate and he will subsidize wasteful alternative energy programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Obama takes no direct action to curb CO2 emissions by passing a cap and trade bill. He will indirectly work toward the same goal by reimposing drilling bans, making the permitting process for new coal plants expensive and nearly impossible to navigate and he will subsidize wasteful alternative energy programs.</p>
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		<title>By: woodsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>woodsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that the Carboniferous period has the word carbon in it, so some idiot might think it was named because of excess carbon.  They way they ignore facts and draw conclusions it would not be surprising...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that the Carboniferous period has the word carbon in it, so some idiot might think it was named because of excess carbon.  They way they ignore facts and draw conclusions it would not be surprising&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2009/01/19/an-inconvenient-poll/#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif&quot;&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seems like Mother Gaia managed to handle much higher CO2 concentrations in the past.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif"/></p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html" rel="nofollow">Seems like Mother Gaia managed to handle much higher CO2 concentrations in the past.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2009/01/19/an-inconvenient-poll/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See my previous comment here:&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/01/16/nanny-state-does-its-job-too-well-cools-planet-too-much/#comment-2515&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Au contraire, Praying, AGW is your area of expertise&lt;/a&gt;

We have not heard from enough geologists. This is the only scientific discipline that understands time frames &amp; previous cooling cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my previous comment here:<a href="http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/01/16/nanny-state-does-its-job-too-well-cools-planet-too-much/#comment-2515" rel="nofollow">Au contraire, Praying, AGW is your area of expertise</a></p>
<p>We have not heard from enough geologists. This is the only scientific discipline that understands time frames &amp; previous cooling cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This news means that TV &amp; print media really have to turn up the heat, as it were, on the propaganda.

The National Geographic Channel, Discovery Channel, Science Channel, Animal Planet, PBS... We used to joke that were it not for Hitler and Vietnam, there&#039;d be no &quot;educational&quot; TV. Now the same can be said for AGW.

And the new administration has economic policy centered on carbon-reduction policy.

Us clingers out here in flyover country are just too thick to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This news means that TV &amp; print media really have to turn up the heat, as it were, on the propaganda.</p>
<p>The National Geographic Channel, Discovery Channel, Science Channel, Animal Planet, PBS&#8230; We used to joke that were it not for Hitler and Vietnam, there&#8217;d be no &#8220;educational&#8221; TV. Now the same can be said for AGW.</p>
<p>And the new administration has economic policy centered on carbon-reduction policy.</p>
<p>Us clingers out here in flyover country are just too thick to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HT to the guys at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022598.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Powerline...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000ff&quot;&gt;CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. ... Every scientist knows this, but it doesn&#039;t pay to say so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I find it interesting that finally scientists are standing up to the lie.  They&#039;re showing real professional courage doing it, now the question is, will our politicians (note: I didn&#039;t say political leaders...) stand for truth as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HT to the guys at <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022598.php" rel="nofollow">Powerline&#8230;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff">CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another. &#8230; Every scientist knows this, but it doesn&#8217;t pay to say so.</span></p></blockquote>
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<p>I find it interesting that finally scientists are standing up to the lie.  They&#8217;re showing real professional courage doing it, now the question is, will our politicians (note: I didn&#8217;t say political leaders&#8230;) stand for truth as well?</p>
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		<title>By: septembergurl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hoax created by the left in order to gain some control over the economy, it&#039;s no longer necessary since we now have a real economic crisis that invites nationialization, subsidising &amp; so on.  I suspect that Obama will quietly drop this part of his program since it&#039;s (a) something only a moron could believe and (b) no longer necessary in the era of bailouts and government takeovers.  Oh sure, there will be some bitterenders, but when Obama puts out the new party line, his braindead followers will adopt it immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoax created by the left in order to gain some control over the economy, it&#8217;s no longer necessary since we now have a real economic crisis that invites nationialization, subsidising &amp; so on.  I suspect that Obama will quietly drop this part of his program since it&#8217;s (a) something only a moron could believe and (b) no longer necessary in the era of bailouts and government takeovers.  Oh sure, there will be some bitterenders, but when Obama puts out the new party line, his braindead followers will adopt it immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after the coal companies go bankrupt and millions are left freezing in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after the coal companies go bankrupt and millions are left freezing in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a geologist, not a climate expert, but Dr. G of the article has dedicated most of his adult life studying climatic change, so in this case, he is both.  Still, from all I&#039;ve read on the subject, I&#039;m willing to be on the record for saying AWG is a hoax, a propaganda conspiracy theory by the left to further their desire to destroy our economy.  Is it just me, or are most on the left so far removed from any connection to or experience with actual capitalism that they can&#039;t possibly understand it?  I mean what does a government employee, a college professor, or a lawyer know about running a business (and apologies to any RS members out there who are in those fields and have taken the time to educate themselves).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a geologist, not a climate expert, but Dr. G of the article has dedicated most of his adult life studying climatic change, so in this case, he is both.  Still, from all I&#8217;ve read on the subject, I&#8217;m willing to be on the record for saying AWG is a hoax, a propaganda conspiracy theory by the left to further their desire to destroy our economy.  Is it just me, or are most on the left so far removed from any connection to or experience with actual capitalism that they can&#8217;t possibly understand it?  I mean what does a government employee, a college professor, or a lawyer know about running a business (and apologies to any RS members out there who are in those fields and have taken the time to educate themselves).</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and smacks otherwise apathetic Americans in the face and they go &quot;hmmm that doesn&#039;t sound right&quot;....one battle in a long war with the idiots on the left my friends there are many more to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and smacks otherwise apathetic Americans in the face and they go &#8220;hmmm that doesn&#8217;t sound right&#8221;&#8230;.one battle in a long war with the idiots on the left my friends there are many more to go!</p>
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		<title>By: zuiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess the true question is whether this low spot is colder than the last low spot (around 1997), the trend of the previous 50 low spots before that, and whether this whole mess can be linked with reasonable confidence to CO2 levels.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Remember 1998 being the hottest year on record? The only thing you can state with reasonable confidence is that the &quot;climate experts&quot; have no idea what they are talking about and just making things up to fit their pre-determined outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I guess the true question is whether this low spot is colder than the last low spot (around 1997), the trend of the previous 50 low spots before that, and whether this whole mess can be linked with reasonable confidence to CO2 levels.</p></blockquote>
<p>Remember 1998 being the hottest year on record? The only thing you can state with reasonable confidence is that the &#8220;climate experts&#8221; have no idea what they are talking about and just making things up to fit their pre-determined outcome.</p>
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