If the road to Hades is indeed paved with good intentions, then many of the homes of Fairway Oaks must certainly be the houses from hell. In one of those jobs that Americana won’t take, the Times of London reports that the Habitat for Humanity houses that former President Jimmy Carter and some of his Hollywood homeboys nailed together in Florida just eight years ago are falling apart. Needless to say, the people who reside in those houses are not amused:
Fairway Oaks was built on northern Florida wasteland by 10,000 volunteers, including Carter, in a record 17-day “blitz” organised by the charity Habitat for Humanity.
Eight years later it is better known for cockroaches, mildew and mysterious skin rashes.
A forthcoming legal battle over Fairway Oaks threatens the reputation of a charity envied for the calibre of its celebrity supporters, who range from Johnny Depp and Brad Pitt to Colin Firth, Christian Bale and Helena Bonham Carter.
The case could challenge the bedrock philosophy behind Habitat for Humanity, claiming that using volunteers, rather than professional builders, is causing as many problems as it solves.
The Fairway Oaks homeowners, all 85 of them, have hired attorney April Charney to represent them against Habitat for Humanity. According to Charney, the charity never told Fairway Oaks residents that their homes had been built on a trash dump. Under the floorboards of one house, a man found a layer of trash 5 feet deep. Other problems reported with the humanity which inhabits the homes include walls that are cracked and door frames which rotted away, allowing rats and ants to enter the houses. Worse, residents have reported many cases of mildew and strange skin rashes.
One mother whose children were having skin problems said:
“The intentions are good, but when the politicians and big-shot stars have left we’re stuck with the consequences. This house looks pretty but inside it either stinks or sweats.”
One man who lives in Fairway Oaks chalks his neighbors’ problems up to poor maintenance of their homes:
“It’s simple stuff: if there is mildew, don’t get a lawyer, get a bottle of bleach.”
His house must not be one of those built on the trash dump.
One wonder if it ever occurred to the charity or any of the high-profile celebrities
who bankrolled this ventured ever bothered to get a geology report or look up the property records before they started raising rafters and hammering nails with the publicity photographers snapping away on their cameras. Sometime good intentions and a wad of money to throw at a problem aren’t enough to provide a lasting solution.
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Trash dumps create some things underground........ one is Methane.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 9:07PM EST (link)Lets’ hope these folks get this settled and fixed before something really bad happens – like more than a square block of the subdivision goes up.
Ever see a big dump site ? There’s vents sticking up out of the ground all over with filters, monitors and other devices detecting and handling the methane and other gasses needing to come up to the surface, or there’d be some real unpleasant booms and resulting problems in the area.
This is not a good thing at all and that one comment is spot-on……and it applies for just about everything our friends on the left do…….. “The intentions are good, but when the politicians and big-shot stars have left we’re stuck with the consequences.”
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Methane
zuiko (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 11:50PM EST (link)Is produced as a result of the organic matter decomposing… once it is decomposed there is no more methane produced. So once the site has been inactive for a little while (as I would expect the case to be here) it should not be an issue.
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Thanks Zuiko.......
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 12:00AM EST (link)I know that, but sometimes pockets form, there’s other gasses, volatile materials come together, no way to vent, etc.
I’m not playing devil’s advocate, but believe it or not, when I saw this thread, the methane and other gas problem was the first thing I thought about. It happened down here to a small subdivision under construction and thank God nobody was hurt, let alone killed.
I really hope these residents get it all taken care of soon and if there was real negligence (absolutely has to be at some level), those guilty are thrown to the wolves.
Wait a minute Josh.
Brian Simpson (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 9:55PM EST (link)True, Habitat for Humanity uses volunteers to build the houses. Keep in mind that there are also lots (and I really mean lots) of skilled laborers on each project. They oversee all of the labor that goes on to make sure that the houses are being built properly.
Now, if the site location sucks. Blame that on the local chapter. They didn’t do their research.
And a further point. Habitat is not a leftist program. Sure, President Carter is the face of the organization, but this is certainly no example of liberalism.
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Actually, I would blame it on the permitting process
Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 10:02PM EST (link)Unless Florida is much different than most of the US, some sort of soil testing needs to be done prior to building premits being issued, and certainly before zoning and development permits for a subdivision.
That seems to be where the problem lies. Oh, and the noble poor not being willing or able to maintain their free homes.
Where I live there is a county planning commission
Justin_Case (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 11:30PM EST (link)and a city planning commission. Neither would have given permits to build on a landfill.
I'd try bleach and roach traps
roscopico (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 11:34PM EST (link)I’m sorry, but hiring a lawyer to sue the same people who GAVE YOU A HOUSE?
I’ll file this under “No Good Deed…” and try to forget I ever heard it.
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Actually, Habitat houses are not free
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 1:16AM EST (link)The potential owner must pay a down payment (small) and put quite a bit of sweat equity into the home construction. It’s not like what you see in housing projects. So it’s not “given” to them gratis.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Indeed, these are not the lazy poor
Raven (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:17AM EST (link)For the most part these are just people a little down on their luck willing to work hard to get back on their feet. There’s a pretty significant qualification requirement to get a house from HfH.
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Good intentions notwithstanding...
CJB68 Saturday, January 3rd at 11:09PM EST (link)More often than not, whenever I read or hear about these things, I wonder if President Carter and his entourage use Habitat for Humanity as another photo-op for good press. I’m dirt poor and would love to have a place of my own, but I doubt that they’d come build my house for me; I’d just as soon choose the site and volunteer my free time to help build it myself. (That, and I’m not in all the politically correct ethnic and philosophical circles needed for me to receive the gift of a celebrity or politician pretending to provide me with some sort of alms.)
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How to Apply for a Habitat for Humanity House
ajl_mo (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 11:16PM EST (link)>I’m dirt poor and would love to have a place of my own, but I doubt that they’d come build my house for me;
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How to Apply for a Habitat for Humanity House
If your family, or a family you know, is in need of decent, affordable housing, please contact the Habitat for Humanity affiliate serving your area.
Habitat affiliates are independent, locally run, nonprofit organizations. Each affiliate coordinates all aspects of Habitat home building in its local area, including partner family selection. Your local affiliate can give you information on the availability, size, costs, “sweat equity” work requirements and application process for Habitat houses in your area.
Every affiliate chooses its homeowners based on the same three criteria:
• the applicants’ level of need,
• their willingness to become partners in the program
• and their ability to repay the no-profit, no-interest loan.
Neither race nor religion is a factor in choosing the families who receive Habitat houses.
To find contact information for affiliates in your area, use our affiliate search tool or call the Habitat for Humanity help line at (800)422-4828.
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Not sure I would blame most of that on the landfill site
zuiko (Diary) Saturday, January 3rd at 11:47PM EST (link)Roaches are not exactly unheard of in low income housing. They are interested in food they can eat, not food that was composted years ago and has turned into soil. The mildew and rotting wood would probably have more to do with it being Florida and poor maintenance than anything else. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence that the site has anything at all to do with their problems. I could see uneven settling being a problem on a former dump site, but I would think the problem would be more severe than “cracked walls,” whatever that means. They don’t mention any foundation issues.
I’m not so sure this is any different than any other ambulance chaser going after a builder (which is routine), except this time the builder is a charity. Once you get a couple people signed on, it is pretty easy to get others to sign on as well. Lots of lawyers make their living doing this kind of thing.
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That is how I read the story
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 1:23AM EST (link)“ambulance chaser” (apologies to my lawyer friends here) is my assessment as well.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Another thing to consider...
zuiko (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:47AM EST (link)This guy probably normally makes his Lexus payments by suing builders, and it is starting to get hard to find solvent builders to extract cash out of at this point, so it makes sense he is moving on to greener pastures.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
The soil and trash being just under the floorboards
Raven (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:23AM EST (link)As mentioned in the story, suggests that they didn’t dig any foundations.
And cracked walls can mean a great many things, though structural problems are usually the case.
I’ve renovated too many houses to laugh off “cracked walls.” Cracked ceilings are the only problem that bothers me more.
And again, “uneven settling” after a mere 8 years also suggests no proper foundation. Possibly not even a slab. It Should take more than 8 years for settling to crack the walls.
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Could just be bad drywall joints
zuiko (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:44AM EST (link)Especially considering the drywall was probably installed, taped and mudded by unskilled labor who had never done it before. Without knowing exactly what cracked walls means it is hard to say.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
I'm not sure who's fault it is
JakePrime (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 12:01AM EST (link)As others have mentioned, a lot more goes into Habitat for Humanity housing than a bunch of guys showing up and slapping some wood together. I do have a problem with Jimmy Carter, but not with his Habitat for Humanity work. Private charity is something to be admired, even when it’s not 100% successful.
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Bill S (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 1:19AM EST (link)You’re right. Carter is quite a pompous oaf, but his work with Habitat, from what I can tell, is the real deal. The man is a Christian, no matter how warped his leftist politics are. I fully believe he’s done what he has on H4H as an outpouring of his faith. If there’s one thing I don’t fault him for, it’s that.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
I've always
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 12:19AM EST (link)I’ve always thought this “habitat” stuff was a scam, anyway.
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Bill S (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 1:21AM EST (link)My wife and I got briefly involved in the organization where we lived prior to now, and it was a great group that did good work. There is a LOT of counseling and qualification done with the families that receive the H4H homes… it’s not just a lottery. Anyone with reservations like you have should do a little research. If there’s one non-evangelical social service charity that I’d support, H4H is probably it.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
It is a good program
zuiko (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:51AM EST (link)It’s hard to believe with Carter being such a visible participant, but his support for this is just an aberration. A stopped clock being right twice a day and all that. It is actually pretty conservative if you account for the fact that these people are required to work for their homes, instead of just being given a handout.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
This may be one of "poorly designed" projects of H4H.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 2:53AM EST (link)H4H has done several good projects both inside and outside of America. Notwithstanding this, Fairway Oaks residents have all the right to file a case and make H4H people responsible for the unacceptable “environmental siting” work.
Habitat for Humanity is a wonderful concept
Michael Dugas (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 3:00AM EST (link)Many of you have hit on bits and pieces about the service and bs has even been involved personally with a project or two. But like any
endeavor it’s only as good as the people running it and my experience has been that those people cycle in and out like weekend laundry.
Yes it has great intentions and we have all bandied about our little cliches about intentions, but the concept is a wonderful idea and when the concept doesn’t work out, like in this case, that intent becomes the suave that tries to inoculate failure.
My experience with it here in southwest florida has been a mixed bag of success and failure. You are dealing with providing a family with a home with suspect labor, materials and location. The two homes I worked on the material would not show up, those of us donating our time were left standing around, or in my case purchasing material on my own so as to accomplish something and so I could return to my “paying job” asap. It’s extremely hard to schedule donated labor on a project that’s schedule is always up in the air. Then when the material did arrive it was old framing and drywall that had been donated by supply houses who couldn’t sell it anymore due to it’s age and condition. So they dumped it on H4H and got a wonderful tax deduction. These two homes were basically in the “hood” built where two other abandoned duplexes had stood…well actually fell down, and between several other duplexes occupied by dealers, users and the walking dead. I have no problem in giving a family a hand up…..but I looked at it as a hand sideways at best if not straight down. That home will never
achieve any value unless the rest of the area is bulldozed along with that “new” home.
It’s not all that different than giving people a home loan that leaves them surviving check to check with the very real risk of losing that home after one financial hiccup. In this case we put a single mother with two young kids in a home who’s location and neighbors will most likely be a yoke around their necks and a danger to their futures. As well as a home that, in the end, may be
worth less than what it cost them.
I only mention this story to point out that maybe the above story isn’t all that unusual. I am 100% sure that there are other cases where H4H changed lives and did a good job. I just also know
that a lack of incentive can greatly effect the quality of a project.
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Was this the reason for the problems?
bk (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:22AM EST (link)They built the entire subdivision in 2-1/2 weeks as I read the story. Is that how most H4H chapters operate, or do they built a house here and house there? If trying to build seven dozen houses in 17 days was primarily a huge publicity stunt, then this seemed destined to follow.
17 days is not undoable
zuiko (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 9:57AM EST (link)These are small, simple houses. If the properties aren’t sitting around not being worked on 90% of the time, as seems to be the case with builder-built houses, I could see these places being built in 17 days. 10,000 people is a lot of labor. If the materials and permits were all taken care of ahead of time and they got cooperation from the building dept so they weren’t waiting forever for inspections, it seems realistic.
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
But can't that be flipped around?
bk (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 10:01AM EST (link)If there were 10K people pretty much tripping over each other, how was there any sort of supervision, quality control, consistent standards, etc.?
Well it's not like the inspectors go away
zuiko (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 10:19AM EST (link)And the important stuff (electrical, plumbing, etc) is all done by professionals who should know what they are doing. For stuff like hanging drywall and painting, how much supervision do you really need?
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman
Little-known fact about Habitat
Mr_Ed (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 12:45PM EST (link)I’ve done some consulting work for one of H4H’s largest chapters. Many don’t realize that H4H’s stated mission is that of Christian service. Methinks many of the liberal Hollywood supporters aren’t aware of the Christian connection. Some of the chapters don’t promote their own Christian mission, and the national office minimizes it.
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Michelle Malkin's take on it
Josh Painter (Diary) Sunday, January 4th at 5:28PM EST (link)Jimmy Carter & Habitat for Humanity: Celebrity slum lords?
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