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		<title>By: charliehall</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2008/12/21/churchills-fighting-spirit-mia-in-britain/#comment-1813</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Churchill was the Prime Minister of a Coalition Government. He made no attempt to push any kind of domestic agenda whatsoever. His Naval and Air ministers and almost half his cabinet were from the Labour and Liberal parties. (At about the same time, Franklin Roosevelt appointed Republicans to head the War and Navy Departments.) Clement Attlee was just as outspoken as Churchill in opposing the Nazis.

Was the Global War on Terror as important? The only Democrat in Bush&#039;s cabinet is the Transportation Secretary, which has no security role since the Department of Homeland Security was created. Bush continued to aggressively push a conservative domestic policy, spending political capital that he could have used to unite the country against terrorism. The result was that he tried to fight a war with something like 40% of the country bitterly against him, and through a guns-and-butter policy most reminiscent of another failed President, Lyndon Johnson. Churchill would never have tried to marginalize Clement Attlee during wartime. And ironically, in his last days in office, Bush is frantically throwing all free market principles to the wind in an attempt to head off economic disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churchill was the Prime Minister of a Coalition Government. He made no attempt to push any kind of domestic agenda whatsoever. His Naval and Air ministers and almost half his cabinet were from the Labour and Liberal parties. (At about the same time, Franklin Roosevelt appointed Republicans to head the War and Navy Departments.) Clement Attlee was just as outspoken as Churchill in opposing the Nazis.</p>
<p>Was the Global War on Terror as important? The only Democrat in Bush&#8217;s cabinet is the Transportation Secretary, which has no security role since the Department of Homeland Security was created. Bush continued to aggressively push a conservative domestic policy, spending political capital that he could have used to unite the country against terrorism. The result was that he tried to fight a war with something like 40% of the country bitterly against him, and through a guns-and-butter policy most reminiscent of another failed President, Lyndon Johnson. Churchill would never have tried to marginalize Clement Attlee during wartime. And ironically, in his last days in office, Bush is frantically throwing all free market principles to the wind in an attempt to head off economic disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: FerGeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>FerGeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reject mysticism.  When you die, you die.  Conservatism will be taken more seriously when we reject fairy tails.  Your legacy is not eternal life, or &quot;rapture&quot;, but the values you pass on to your children.  Liberal values are about how you appear at cocktail parties and pot lucks.  We can win this war if we stop embracing looney concepts.  It is critical NOW that we get real.  The socialist are taking control, to a large part because conservatism is associated with stupid concepts like &quot;god&quot; and &quot;eternal life&quot;.  Grow up.  Our future depends on it.  Do you want the bureucrats to make all of your daily decisions?  Not me,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reject mysticism.  When you die, you die.  Conservatism will be taken more seriously when we reject fairy tails.  Your legacy is not eternal life, or &#8220;rapture&#8221;, but the values you pass on to your children.  Liberal values are about how you appear at cocktail parties and pot lucks.  We can win this war if we stop embracing looney concepts.  It is critical NOW that we get real.  The socialist are taking control, to a large part because conservatism is associated with stupid concepts like &#8220;god&#8221; and &#8220;eternal life&#8221;.  Grow up.  Our future depends on it.  Do you want the bureucrats to make all of your daily decisions?  Not me,</p>
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		<title>By: Warner Todd Huston</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2008/12/21/churchills-fighting-spirit-mia-in-britain/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Warner Todd Huston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few days ago I saw an op ed in The Telegraph from one of the Brti&#039;s generals and he was puffing himself up and saying they should &quot;be proud&quot; of the work they did in Iraq and that they were leaving with their heads held high. This is absolute garbage. The British army should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for its actions in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few days ago I saw an op ed in The Telegraph from one of the Brti&#8217;s generals and he was puffing himself up and saying they should &#8220;be proud&#8221; of the work they did in Iraq and that they were leaving with their heads held high. This is absolute garbage. The British army should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for its actions in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should come as no surprise to anyone that The UK is pulling out of armed conflict with their about-to-be masters.

England shall soon be renamed as The United Kingdom Of Islam, with most of Europe and Scandinavia to follow in short order.

You want to stop evil?  You don&#039;t invite it into your home for tea.  You fight it with overwhelming force until the last vestige of that evil is no more than a distant memory.

I pray daily that our own countrymen wake up and put a stop to the insanity being foisted on our home.  But there seems to be a disconnect here in the USA that may become worse than what is already happening overseas.

We&#039;ve elected to office and elevated people who somehow think that all they need to do is talk things over and play nice with evil and just because they are who they are, their &#039;hope&#039; for peace will &#039;change&#039; everything and everyone towards one big group hug, causing no more worries for the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should come as no surprise to anyone that The UK is pulling out of armed conflict with their about-to-be masters.</p>
<p>England shall soon be renamed as The United Kingdom Of Islam, with most of Europe and Scandinavia to follow in short order.</p>
<p>You want to stop evil?  You don&#8217;t invite it into your home for tea.  You fight it with overwhelming force until the last vestige of that evil is no more than a distant memory.</p>
<p>I pray daily that our own countrymen wake up and put a stop to the insanity being foisted on our home.  But there seems to be a disconnect here in the USA that may become worse than what is already happening overseas.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve elected to office and elevated people who somehow think that all they need to do is talk things over and play nice with evil and just because they are who they are, their &#8216;hope&#8217; for peace will &#8216;change&#8217; everything and everyone towards one big group hug, causing no more worries for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: digitaldean</title>
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		<dc:creator>digitaldean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Canadian parliament is getting queasy about their work in Afghanistan. They even declared that 2011 as the date they will be out no matter what the situation. Harper has to walk a fine line with the coalition issues now since Parliament has been prorogued.
Australia&#039;s retreat was expected after Howard was knocked out of power.
Britain was stalwart, but not for as long as would&#039;ve been needed.

Don&#039;t even get me started about our other NATO allies. Those Quislings are even more embarrasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Canadian parliament is getting queasy about their work in Afghanistan. They even declared that 2011 as the date they will be out no matter what the situation. Harper has to walk a fine line with the coalition issues now since Parliament has been prorogued.<br />
Australia&#8217;s retreat was expected after Howard was knocked out of power.<br />
Britain was stalwart, but not for as long as would&#8217;ve been needed.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started about our other NATO allies. Those Quislings are even more embarrasing.</p>
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		<title>By: JustLeaveMeAlone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustLeaveMeAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brits have their own issues with Muslim extremists, many of who live within their borders. Been to London lately?  Been north of Westminster? It&#039;s downright scary, especially traveling as a woman alone! 

When Winnie gave his famous &quot;We Shall Never Surrender&quot; speech, the USA wasn&#039;t helping him. So let&#039;s let the Brits tackle their own issues, and let&#039;s tackle ours. 

For my part, I forgive their &quot;lack of loyalty&quot; and hope the feeling is mutual.. Tony Blair had problems we have not yet seen here, and God willing, we never shall. As for Afghanistan, et al, let&#039;s do what we have to do on our own. We don&#039;t need anyone&#039;s permission or help -- that&#039;s the best way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brits have their own issues with Muslim extremists, many of who live within their borders. Been to London lately?  Been north of Westminster? It&#8217;s downright scary, especially traveling as a woman alone! </p>
<p>When Winnie gave his famous &#8220;We Shall Never Surrender&#8221; speech, the USA wasn&#8217;t helping him. So let&#8217;s let the Brits tackle their own issues, and let&#8217;s tackle ours. </p>
<p>For my part, I forgive their &#8220;lack of loyalty&#8221; and hope the feeling is mutual.. Tony Blair had problems we have not yet seen here, and God willing, we never shall. As for Afghanistan, et al, let&#8217;s do what we have to do on our own. We don&#8217;t need anyone&#8217;s permission or help &#8212; that&#8217;s the best way.</p>
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		<title>By: septembergurl</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/josh_painter/2008/12/21/churchills-fighting-spirit-mia-in-britain/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>septembergurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much of what has been written and posited about the war in Iraq is so wrong and serves only the defeatists and our enemies.

It&#039;s a sad day when the Iraqi army outperforms the British army, but this has been the case in Iraq.  The British did a terrible job in Basra and I was actually relieved when they started pulling out.  It was the fault of their political and military leaders of course -- not the individual soldiers.  The ROE for the Brits limited their effectiveness.  

We have been told that Bush&#039;s big sin was insisting on going it alone, rejecting allies and so on.  The reality is that most of our &quot;allies&quot; have been worse than useless -- exceptions being Canadians and Australians, as well as some of the smaller countries&#039; forces.  Obama is being told now what he would have known two years ago had he paid attention to his subcommittee in the Senate -- NATO is not doing the job in Afghanistan.   Now we&#039;re going to put in 30,000 more of our own forces -- and that is not anywhere near the number we will need to win there.  

We were told endlessly and adnauseum that once Bush was gone, governments around the world would be vying for the opportunity to help Obama out.  Gordon Brown did not get that memo apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much of what has been written and posited about the war in Iraq is so wrong and serves only the defeatists and our enemies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad day when the Iraqi army outperforms the British army, but this has been the case in Iraq.  The British did a terrible job in Basra and I was actually relieved when they started pulling out.  It was the fault of their political and military leaders of course &#8212; not the individual soldiers.  The ROE for the Brits limited their effectiveness.  </p>
<p>We have been told that Bush&#8217;s big sin was insisting on going it alone, rejecting allies and so on.  The reality is that most of our &#8220;allies&#8221; have been worse than useless &#8212; exceptions being Canadians and Australians, as well as some of the smaller countries&#8217; forces.  Obama is being told now what he would have known two years ago had he paid attention to his subcommittee in the Senate &#8212; NATO is not doing the job in Afghanistan.   Now we&#8217;re going to put in 30,000 more of our own forces &#8212; and that is not anywhere near the number we will need to win there.  </p>
<p>We were told endlessly and adnauseum that once Bush was gone, governments around the world would be vying for the opportunity to help Obama out.  Gordon Brown did not get that memo apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcat51</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobcat51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s not the British troops; it&#039;s the failed political leadership; 10+ years of neo Marxism in UK Politics.

The country under New Labour has become a police state where every NOISY minority gets its way while the silent majority (Sheeple) sits and cowers. The spirit of the English has been depressed under a give away government who has now arrived at reality; the UK is bankrupt not only financially but politically.

Like a cancer the Islamic movement is spreading like wildfire and the Brits just sit like Deer caught in the headlights of a Kenworth truck.  The Church of England has its enablers and Political Correctness rules every decision.

If one wants to look through a window of the USA after 8 years of Obama just look at the UK. Regulated to paralysis, the indigenous race are strangers in their own country with the British culture being diluted at every turn?

Possibly, the late Ted Heath&#039;s intentions were honorable but taking the UK into the then Common Market has proved a disaster for the UK. Recently the government of the UK has decided to mothball 50% of the Royal Navy Fleet; Why not mothball 50% of the socialist government?

America is the last bastion of freedom and liberty but this luxury hangs by a thread; some how I do not think/hope the American people will allow this to happen. The founding Fathers gave us the Constitution; it must be defended in its original form at all costs from Liberal/Marxist interference, if not, we will cease to be the Land of the Free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not the British troops; it&#8217;s the failed political leadership; 10+ years of neo Marxism in UK Politics.</p>
<p>The country under New Labour has become a police state where every NOISY minority gets its way while the silent majority (Sheeple) sits and cowers. The spirit of the English has been depressed under a give away government who has now arrived at reality; the UK is bankrupt not only financially but politically.</p>
<p>Like a cancer the Islamic movement is spreading like wildfire and the Brits just sit like Deer caught in the headlights of a Kenworth truck.  The Church of England has its enablers and Political Correctness rules every decision.</p>
<p>If one wants to look through a window of the USA after 8 years of Obama just look at the UK. Regulated to paralysis, the indigenous race are strangers in their own country with the British culture being diluted at every turn?</p>
<p>Possibly, the late Ted Heath&#8217;s intentions were honorable but taking the UK into the then Common Market has proved a disaster for the UK. Recently the government of the UK has decided to mothball 50% of the Royal Navy Fleet; Why not mothball 50% of the socialist government?</p>
<p>America is the last bastion of freedom and liberty but this luxury hangs by a thread; some how I do not think/hope the American people will allow this to happen. The founding Fathers gave us the Constitution; it must be defended in its original form at all costs from Liberal/Marxist interference, if not, we will cease to be the Land of the Free.</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rarely these days do I read a positive story regarding the once Great Britain. From their embarrassment by the Iranians to their poor performance in Afghanistan to their lack of resistance to creeping sharia the British are lost. If they can&#039;t find the spirit of the thousands of great men of their history and reclaim it, they will be the first Islamic Republic in Europe. They are simply too cowardly to fight back against the forces of political correctness, neo-Marxism, and multiculturalism that is killing, literally, their culture and society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rarely these days do I read a positive story regarding the once Great Britain. From their embarrassment by the Iranians to their poor performance in Afghanistan to their lack of resistance to creeping sharia the British are lost. If they can&#8217;t find the spirit of the thousands of great men of their history and reclaim it, they will be the first Islamic Republic in Europe. They are simply too cowardly to fight back against the forces of political correctness, neo-Marxism, and multiculturalism that is killing, literally, their culture and society.</p>
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