Articulating Restraint: Conservative Victory & Joe Scarborough


We are at an unfortunate place in America where both political sides spend more time yelling than listening. Liberals and conservatives seem content to debate amongst people with whom they already agree, without engaging the other side. Name-calling is frequent: un-American, racist, socialist, homophobe, communist. Are the children now running the fun house? Where is the restraint and civility? Good examples are hard to find.  

 

The best example of the type of conservative thinker we need is Joe Scarborough. He has consistently demonstrated his ability to articulate conservative views and to engage both sides in constructive dialogue. Even rarer to find, he has been intellectually consistent. Joe was conservative in 1994 when it was cool and he was elected to Congress. Joe was conservative in 2004 when it wasn’t cool to criticize the big spending GOP. Joe is conservative now in 2010 and is still talking about a cautious foreign policy, sustainable domestic spending, and calmer rhetoric. His ideas about our politicians’ lack of restraint in these three areas should be the playbook for how we articulate conservative views and sell them to the American people.

 

Domestic Spending – For years, Joe Scarborough has been talking about the need for real entitlement reform due to the exploding budget. The Congressional Budget Office projects the national debt ballooning to $22tn by 2019 and the Tax Policy Center just reported that 47% of Americans pay zero federal income taxes. To put our fiscal situation into perspective, that is ~$75k per person. If you are married and have two kids, your family owes $300k. That is equivalent to a mortgage on a nice home you don’t get to live in. Joe’s been talking about the need for real entitlement reform for years. The track record of conservatives doesn’t make it easy but it is time for us to lay out our plan. Our plans for restraint in how we spend our money must be articulated.

 

Foreign Policy – Besides George Will, Joe Scarborough has been one of the only conservatives talking about our lack of an end game in Afghanistan and tangible approaches to dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions. A senior intelligence official recently stated that there were only 100 al Qaeda members in Afghanistan. This was at the same time President Obama was sending another 30,000 troops with broad support from conservatives. Secretary Gates recently said that Iran is a year away from developing nuclear weapons and that the US lacks an effective strategy for dealing with this. While many conservatives have supported President Obama’s surge in Afghanistan, Joe’s been calling for a description of the end game. It’s time for conservatives to lay out what our end game in Afghanistan would be and how we will tangibly deal with Iran. Our plans for restraint in where and how we deploy our troops must be articulated.

 

Rhetoric – Joe Scarborough is one of the few conservatives not wading in current morass of incivility. He is one of the few conservatives who actually engage both conservatives and liberals. Nancy Pelosi calls healthcare protestors un-American and the news is full of insinuations that tea-partiers are gripped with racism. Tom Coburn said that while he is in 180 degree opposition to Pelosi, she was a nice person and that people shouldn’t dislike someone because they disagree. For this glimmer of sanity, our side laughed at him. Joe is one of the only people willing to call out our side on the unnecessary rhetoric. This ability to speak with civility may be why Joe and Erick Erickson get along so well and why Erick has been on Joe’s radio show so much. It’s time for us to set a new standard in how we speak to those with whom we disagree. Our plans for restraint in how we speak to others must be articulated.

 

If we don’t expect more from our conservative leaders, we will never get the conservative policies we want. The financial crisis, the years of war, and the divisive rhetoric should have taught us the value of a little more restraint: in our domestic spending, our foreign policy, and in our rhetoric. America is looking for leadership and conservatives need to articulate how we will act with restraint where we haven’t in the past and where this administration has no desire to. This country can rebound and it will, but it will require conservatives willing to act with restraint and expecting it from each other. Joe Scarborough is a great example of the restraint we need.

 

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Yeah, don't think so...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 8:36AM EST (link)

One “maverick” in the GOP is more then enough for this Conservative. You see Joe likes to BEAT UP on Conservatives thinking that gives him an “in” with the liberal “elites” he likes to hang with and for me that is NOT how to win over the BASE of the Conservative Movement!

I would like to know how “restraint” has worked out for the GOP while the Democrats DESTROY OUR Country?

Restraint

joejharvey (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 9:15AM EST (link)

Did it occur to you that the reason Democrats are in power is because we betrayed our core beliefs and doubled the debt? Half the people who call themselves “conservative” weren’t conservative with our money, with our troops, or in their words.

If we win in 2010, we can’t go back to being the big spenders we were. That spending deserves criticism and is why the American people lost faith in our ability to run the country. Luckily, the Democrats continued lack of restraint is giving us a great opening.

We need to articulate what we will do.

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which conservative...

mousewife Friday, April 23rd at 10:34AM EST (link)

…did Joe beat up and what did he criticize them about? He certainly criticizes big-spending Republicans who push a Wilsonian foreign-policy, but I’ve never heard him criticize a true conservative for espousing real conservative principles.

Ok mousewife, because you obviously pay NO attention...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 8:29AM EST (link)

to the type of McCainish Republican Joe is, for your viewing pleasure

Joe prays for the audience that Rush has

and really I could find link after link on the PATHETIC and nauseating Joe but I will let my friends at NewsBusters answer all of your mind provoking questions/NOT

Joe, do you really think smacking those you call your own a smart move?, it isn’t

“To promote the release, the former GOP congressman turned radio and TV host appeared on left-leaning television shows such as The View and did interviews with the New York Times and Newsweek. Each time, he was quick to bash Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, and other key conservative figures.”

You do know the internet is GREAT for checking when your brain comes up with a question that is answerable in two clicks now don’t you? in future check it out before coming in to “save” Joe, it cannot be done in a “room” full of Conservatives.

he didn't bash...

mousewife Saturday, April 24th at 11:01AM EST (link)

…Rush over being conservative or not, but because his rhetoric was ridiculous.

And why shouldn’t he take other Republicans to task when they’re not acting like conservatives? Karl Rove was the mind behind the Bush Whitehouse. Do you honestly contend that Bush was a true conservative? Gingrich thought the recent bailouts were a good idea. That’s small government?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/gingrich-now-ba.html

These are the guys who have led the Republican party into the wilderness, and Joe has saying the whole time, “hey guys, you’re going the wrong way!”

Joe has consistently stood for smaller government at home and a restrained foreign policy abroad.

What exactly is your definition of conservative?

I will take Rush Limbaugh over Joe the....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 3:07PM EST (link)

Republican BASHER any day of the week! If Joe is so “perfect” let’s see him run and watch how much money he gets from the Grassroots, it won’t be much I can damn well guarantee you that. WE already have McCain to play to the Corrupt Media WE don’t reward traitors to the Party!

My definition of Conservative? Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan and btw Joe couldn’t hold a candle to any of those fine men! He is a WASTE OF SPACE!

kowalski....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 3:09PM EST (link)

“if” he were so damn popular this diary would be at the top of the recommends as it stands there is NOT ONE recommend, that proves how he is viewed by the GRASSROOTS!

 

interesting...

mousewife Saturday, April 24th at 4:52PM EST (link)

… that you define conservative by naming the very men whom Joe has on his show and helps promote regularly. He has a great deal of respect for Rubio, DeMint and Ryan and considers them the future leaders of the Republican party.

But please define conservative? And which issues does Joe not take a conservative stance on?

This is Conservative?

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 5:40PM EST (link)

TWO Trillion for light rail? really?

I am not going to get into what constitutes a Conservative or not what I have said and will continue to say is Joe is a SLIMEBALL when it comes to taking on those on his “side” of the aisle. I don’t see the leftists in the media taking on the Democrats oh no they are too busy beating up on Republicans and they have FELLOW TRAVELERS in Joe and John McCain and David Frum etc., hell why even worry about the Corrupt Media when you have your own helping them out!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

???

marshmom (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 8:37AM EST (link)

I don’t understand where you see that Joe Scarborough is the only one who “engages” liberals. Megyn Kelly had on Allen Colmes just yesterday and there’s not a day that goes by that I don’t have to roll my eyes while watching Fox because some cukoo liberal is on there spouting ridiculous ideas and censorship. They consistently have debates on Fox between a conservative and liberal. Too much for my tastes.
Also, the Coburn thing……..I’m not sure how anyone can defend his comments about Nancy Pelosi being “nice”. First of all, if she was so “nice”, why did she spend over $100,000 on BOOZE with taxpayer dollars for her and her friend’s entertainment? That’s not a very nice thing to do, in my opinion when some people are wondering how they will feed their family. And personally, I believe she’s a disingenuous hag. She has manipulated just about every Democrat (and others, I’m sure) in Congress to achieve her agenda. That, also, is not very “nice”. Not to mention she is helping destroy the country.
I don’t know much about Joe Scarborough, and you may be right about him, but to say that he is the only conservative that does things right is slightly incorrect.

Proving My Point

joejharvey (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 1:27PM EST (link)

Your comment about Tom Coburn and Nancy Pelosi proves my point. Don’t you think her friends think she is nice? Don’t you think Glenn Beck’s friends think he is nice?

He have to remember that just because we disagree with someone that doesn’t mean they are “disingenuous hags.”

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Let me explain this again.......

marshmom (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 7:21PM EST (link)

First off, I don’t think Nancy Pelosi has any friends. Second of all, I’m sure anyone who gets free booze around Nancy Pelosi thinks she’s the cat’s meow. That’s how the Washington elite behave.
Nancy Pelosi is STEALING from the American people. That is and never will be NICE, I don’t care who tries to justify it. I had to give up lots of things this year so I could pay my taxes and subsidize Ms. Pelosi’s spending sprees. Do you think Nancy Pelosi is giving up anything?
If we’re ever going to kick these people out of office and put this country on the right track, we need to stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade, already! We’re in the situation we are in right now because nobody seems to want to do that.

You keep proving my point.

joejharvey (Diary) Sunday, April 25th at 4:29PM EST (link)

You don’t think Nancy Pelosi has friends? You don’t think her neighbors like her? You don’t think she has grandchildren that love her? Lets keep calm about this.

She may be a left-wing loon but that doesn’t make her, personally, a horrible person. Maybe horrible to how I want this country run, but not a horrible person.

Why not focus on her policies and not on Pelosi the person? That’s what independents want. That’s what persuades them. Not partisan bickering.

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You keep proving my point.

joejharvey (Diary) Sunday, April 25th at 4:31PM EST (link)

You don’t think Nancy Pelosi has friends? You don’t think her neighbors like her? You don’t think she has grand-children that love her?

She may be a left-wing loon but that doesn’t make her personally, a horrible person. Maybe horrible to how I want this country run, but not a horrible person.

Why not focus on her policies and not on Pelosi the person? Just the chart of our national debt is presuasive in itself. Call her a B and names is just unhelpful. That’s what independents want. That’s what persuades them. Not partisan bickering. I care more about winning than about insulting the woman.

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Ridiculous

morstar150 (Diary) Friday, April 23rd at 10:39PM EST (link)

Joe has sold out to the media elites. He’s now one of them. For you to tout his civility is ridiculous. I don’t want to be civil to those who are destroying this great nation and I see no reason to pretend they are anything but distructive.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil, in its worst, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)

Joe is a Media Elite?

joejharvey (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 10:24AM EST (link)

Joe sounds like a regular guy to me. If Joe Scarborough is a “media elite,” what does that make Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck?

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy listening to Rush and Sean but you can’t say Joe is a “media elite” without saying Rush and Sean are. I don’t think any of them are.

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Rhetoric ain't gonna cut it all by itself

ColdWarrior (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 3:33PM EST (link)

Joe, your premise seems to be that if we just have better, more articulate, restrained, nice, never-raise-their voice conservative “leaders” the unwashed masses will understand the wisdom of the conservative Republicans and we’ll win all the elections.

And that Joe S. is the best example of that kind of conservative.

I read Joe’s book, “The Last Best Hope: Restoring Conservatism and America’s Promise.” It’s all theory, and I place him into the Conservative Grievance Industry camp. All about “what” is wrong and “what” we should be saying, but — despite its title — not one word on “how” to get enough grass roots conservatives into the Party to make sure we get out the vote in the primaries for the conservative. Why nothing about the practicalities of “restoring conservatism and America’s promise?” Don’t know. All I know is that he could have written about it and chose not to.

More on the CGI here:

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/04/19/the-conservative-grievance-industy-almost-gets-it-right/

We need deeds, not just words.

If you’re not already a precinct committeeman, I’ll hope you’ll become one, so you’ll become part of “the count.”

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/04/16/whats-the-precinct-committeeman-count/

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I agree with you, CW

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 4:02PM EST (link)

but I don’t think that one needs to be bellicose or unintelligent in their framing of an issue to be effective. Indeed, I would say that such traits hinder one’s effectiveness, because it doesn’t allow one to make substantive points in such a way that others not of your own persuasion will listen. “You lie”, or “this is Obama’s Waterloo” may get street cred among your base, but other than that, has limited effectiveness, and confirms biases. You, for example, responded civilly to Joe. I’m quite certain that had you called him an idiot or a communist, he wouldn’t have been so receptive to hearing what you have to say, especially as he doesn’t see those terms as applying to himself. Scarborough’s problem is his lack of effectiveness, not his civility, IMO.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Discussion

joejharvey (Diary) Wednesday, April 28th at 8:57AM EST (link)

I did respond because CW had focused on the issues.

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I liked your article

joejharvey (Diary) Sunday, April 25th at 5:23PM EST (link)

CW and Aesthete,

I liked your article on the Conservative Grievance Industry. I think you should seriously consider spending the time to put togehter a 3-4 page pdf pamphlet. I would even be willing to help you with that and help distribute it. That way you could get all of your knowledge out there. You seem to know a lot about the mechanics of it all.

I still thank that rhetoric is something tangible that wins votes. Most folks aren’t too political. We can’t forget that commentators like Sean and Rush aren’t really convincing independents. Independents watch shows like Joe Scarborough’s. When they see him and he isn’t the “foaming at the mouth” caricature the left-wing medica portrays conservatives to be, it changes minds. Aesthete, I respectfully disagree that he isn’t effective at that. In fact, it has been widely reported that Morning Joe is the only show on in the congressional gym in the mornings.

Someone above put forth the idea that because I don’t have a lot of “recommends” to my thoughts, they weren’t legitimate. I would argue that it is time to listen to some new ideas from people who have the same goals. What has old-line GOP thinking got us? More debt and two election cycles where we lost big. Saying that we lost our way and need to change isn’t bashing conservatives, it’s just being honest.

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aesthete, thanks for your thoughtful comments

ColdWarrior (Diary) Saturday, April 24th at 4:21PM EST (link)

Civility is a good thing.

Rhetoric is, too.

But we need more ACTION and less typing. And the place to act is at the local GOP committee meetings. Where we conservatives can replace the current “Establishment” with . . . us.

The Establishment won’t let that cat out of the bag.

Thank you.
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