SS “Trust Fund” Threat Should be End of Obama


In response to Eric’s post yesterday I made the following comment, which was really more diary length than comment length. At issue was Obama’s threat to not send out SS checks vis-à-vis the Constitutional mandate not to default on the public debt.

I would argue that if the SS “trust fund” was a “trust fund” in any true sense of the word, then SS payments would have a standing even higher than the Constitutional mandate of “no default.”

The meaning of a trust fund is that you are holding somebody else’s money in trust. It is not your money. Therefore any default on the payments could invoke the due process clauses of the Constitution by depriving people of their property without due process of law. In fact a lawyer with more time on their hands than me might seek social security recipients as Plaintiffs in a Declaratory Judgment action, seeking a declaration of SS’s priority – based on Obama’s threat not to pay.

As a lawyer, I hold the retainers I receive from clients in trust. I must set up a special trust account at the bank specifically for this purpose. If this account is ever overdrawn, the bank must report it to the Supreme Court of Ohio by law. The shortest path to disbarment (and the most common) is for a lawyer to use money from this trust account for anything besides its intended purpose. I cant pay my bills or my employees or my rent or leg surgery for little Timmy who will surely die if he doesn’t get the surgery out of this fund. Its just that simple. I must go down in flames before I can take my clients money. And there are weeks that I don’t get paid even though I’ve got tens of thousands of dollars in my trust fund. I guess this answers the age old question of who is lower in the pond scum category between lawyers and politicians.

The audacity of Obama indicating that payments from funds held in trust for seniors and the disabled would be the first to go should be seized on like a junkyard dog by every candidate and media outlet of good repute and should not be released until Obama’s pants are ripped off and the true import of his threat stands naked before the American people.

Think about it. He is suggesting his multimillion dollar monthly vacations, his bloated staff, Pelosi’s billion dollar studies of frogs in San Fran Bay, Michelle’s revamping of every food pyramid chart in a public school ….. etc etc etc would all supersede seniors recieveing their own money back. If our people cannot muster the courage to explain this to the American people, then it seems there is no lie or distortion this man can’t get away with.

Now, I don’t claim to know the actual legal status of the SS “trust fund” versus a trust account as I have described or a trust fund in the common sense of the word. Obviously we know that the money we put in goes to pay the current beneficiaries and is not held for us. There is also some indication that the SC has ruled against construing the trust fund as a trust fund, but the issue was not exactly on point. The issue here is priority of payment versus guarantee of a certain return.

But  no matter if my post holds any legal validity or not, if they want to use Orwellian terms to describe the SS “trust fund”, then they should be held to those terms. They have no problem telling us how safe the money is when Republicans offer an alternative that allows people to keep their own retirement funds, and BO’s ridiculous threat shouldn’t die at least the next 2 election cycles if for no other reason than dispelling the notion that there is a “lock box” or a “trust fund” or anything else that protects your retirement income from going to fund abortions in Africa.

 



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The recipeints aren't the beneficiaries of the "trust fund"

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Saturday, July 16th at 5:12AM EST (link)

As you mention in your last paragraph, the rights to the funds in a retirement account would be owned by the taxpayer.

A retiree’s Social Security “claims” aren’t binding, as they can be wiped away with new law (e.g. raising the retirement age).

In technical legal terms, SS can’t incur “bankruptcy” events, because the federal govt retains the rights to dictate the claims. But, if it walks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it might as well be a duck.

Now, I don’t know if failing to pay SS claims would break current law, law that can be changed/overriden by future acts of Bongress. (unintentional typo left as is)

agreed gjetson

jerry39 (Diary) Saturday, July 16th at 12:24PM EST (link)

I am not suggesting an absolute right to ss checks because it carries the auspices of a trust fund. I am suggesting that in the event of insolvency, were the treasury to have to pick and choose what payments are to made, that ss payments should be at the top or near the top of the list both morally and legally. T

Agreed.

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Sunday, July 17th at 12:41AM EST (link)

And perhaps Obama’s threat is just what is needed to put taxpayer-owned private retirement accounts back on the table.

<Snark> But SS is so safe </Snark>

Except when the Federal Government refuses to pay when it runs short of funding. And anyone who is paying attention knows we are on the train to a shortage of funding to pay the current scheme.

 
 
 

Free market creates surpluses; government creates shortages

steve010 (Diary) Saturday, July 16th at 8:27AM EST (link)

31 years ago, if we had privatized SS with the then current level of taxation and allowed everyone to have their own trust fund; right now every single working baby boomer would be a millionaire or close to it. Instead because the govt has had control of those funds, the President is telling us we have to borrow money to pay the checks.

Milton Friedman said that, “If you put the govt in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years you would have a shortage of sand.”

steve010, Sounds like a good political ad

jerry39 (Diary) Tuesday, July 19th at 5:36PM EST (link)

If a an average blue collar worker retiring today at 60 years old, after a 40 year career had invested their social security tax in an very low risk investment fund, he would now have $??????? in the bank, enough for monthly payments 5? times the amount of his social security social payment until he reached the age of 100.

But such privatization could never work, because —

“Join with me, and we won’t make promises just to break them. We’ll keep our promises go the seniors who gave us everything that we have today. Instead of a system where everyone is in it together, the Bush plan would turn Social Security into a grab bag where everyone is out for himself. You might call it social insecurity. And that’s wrong for our values. It’s also wrong for our economy. Under our plan, Social Security will remain financially sound for more than 50 years.”

Al Gore
ASource: Speech in Kissimmee, Florida Nov 1, 2000

“I think that it is an important option on the table, but the key, in addition to making sure that we don’t privatize, because Social Security is that floor beneath none of us can sink. ”

Barack Obama
Source: 2007 YouTube Democratic Primary debate, Charleston SC Jul 23, 2007

“And we should reject things that will weaken the system, including privatization, which essentially is going to put people’s retirement at the whim of the stock market.”
Barack Obama
2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College Sep 6, 2007

“If the guiding philosophy behind the traditional system of social insurance could be described as “We’re all in it together,” the philosophy behind Bush’s Ownership Society seems to be, “You’re on your own.” Relying on the magic of the marketplace is a tempting idea, elegant in its simplicity. But it won’t work.”
Barack Obama
The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.178-179 Oct 1, 2006

That’s right, because our money is so safe in social security and that extra security, that floor beneath which we cannot sink is worth the scant return. We are all in this together, we must protect our seniors, we cant risk something so important to the whims of the stock market, can we?

“I cannot guarantee that those checks[social security] go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,”
Barack Obama Interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, July 7, 2011

No, I’m sure we all feel more secure in the whims of Barack Obama.

 
 

However, there is a 1974 Congressional Budget and

renny (Diary) Saturday, July 16th at 10:15AM EST (link)

Control Impoundment Act which is a law that dictates to Congress and the pres. how budgets are to be prepared, presented, and voted on.

The Sen. has been in abrogation for 2 years, as it has not passed a budget since 2009.

o has been in abrogation since Feb. when whatever concoction he presented was voted down by huge numbers, and he has presented nothing since, so when they talk about “debt limt,” I am not entirely sure they have any financial figures to compare against.

If o does not pay out Soc. Sec., he is also in abrogation of the Budget Act, let alone very stupid, unpresidential, unAmerican, and dangerous. If a CEO acted that way to his fiduciary obligations, his board would axe him and authorities could arrest him.

Watergate proved presidents are not above the law. And someone has to show Obama that even as pres. he is not above the law.