Moe has it right here.
I agree with him. for all the reasons there are. Historical, economic, individualist. Whatever. There is nothing, in my opinion, that communism has to show for itself, except pain and grief. And dedicated fans in the prosperous West, who don’t or won’t recognize that they can’t have what they have now if they get the regime they want.
Moe and I are roughly the same age with just as roughly similar backgrounds (Union and Democrat parents), we were born in the midst of the Vietnam war and grew up in it’s aftermath. We both were taught by teachers who cut their teeth on the “peace” and “antiwar” movements. It WAS the ’70s and ’80s after all. He got much more of it than I – he went to college and got “a liberal arts major with a degree in English lit and some grad school work in library science“. I joined the Navy. We both came out alright I like to think – he writes better. I think he had a harder time of it, though. Much more to wade through.
He makes the point that communist countries can’t even feed themselves, and therefore they are by definition illegitimate. This is true – it should be an axiom and a red flag. Many of us who are our age and older remember Carter’s wheat sales to the USSR, and we wondered then, why do they need our wheat, if they are this huge country pledged to our destruction? Why can’t the feed themselves? Why do we need to feed them so they can kill us?
But it’s more than that. Communism killed the soul of those it let survive. Everything for the state, no individuality please, thank you. That’s why they had cars like the Trabant (and were grateful for it) and not cars like the Syrena Sport.
The West, relatively (and more in some places than others), was a “work hard, play hard” kind of place. And it let you play hard, if that was your wont. Behind the iron curtain, it was “work harder” and all glory was to the state, prole, be happy you are furthering the glorious revolution! Isn’t that what you want? To be part of something larger than yourself?
That last sentence is key, I think, to the mindset of those who were caught behind the curtain and those who hold nostalgia today. We ALL want to be part of something larger than ourselves. It gives us meaning and a sense of belonging and purpose. I joined the Navy for that very reason. But I think those that fetishize communism and socialism feel the same way, that they are furthering a cause. That makes them dangerous. They’re not doing it for themselves, you see, but for humanity. And nothing, not even human bodies, are too high a price for the perfection of man.
But Moe, you, and I know that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
Crossposted (With the words Moe won’t say) at effingconservatives
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Who doesn't agree with Moe...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, June 19th at 7:57AM EST (link)most of the time
I agree with both of you. I hate that WE support those who would DESTROY US!
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communism is devastating
techsan (Diary) Saturday, June 19th at 11:03AM EST (link)In the WaPo article Moe links, it showed just how completely the regime dehumanized the society.
In the mid-90s, 1M people, or 3%-5% (!!!) of the population, starved. Why? They didn’t know how to care for themselves.
An entire society is brainwashed to the point they starve before they fight to live. They were helpless. Such is the welfare state’s effect on a soul. Pure evil.
In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.
A sizeable percentage of our population
Achance (Diary) Saturday, June 19th at 11:36AM EST (link)doesn’t know how to survive without “rations” either. Take away food stamps and welfare and most cities and much of the rural South would get very ugly, very fast.
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the rhetorical question then is...why?
techsan (Diary) Saturday, June 19th at 12:49PM EST (link)I know there is no “why” to evil…it just “is”…it’s something that exists due to our fallen nature.
I just don’t understand how/why so many people in our country can’t, or don’t, take USA-as-a-welfare-state to the logical endpoint. Will our nation end up like NorK? No. Can it end up like Greece…or Spain? Yes.
Your point about welfare is what I’m most concerned about. Nearly half of our population is trained that handouts are “free”. Commercials on TV for government programs tout them as “free”. The lure of “free” the liberals evangelize builds this notion that not-”free” means unavailable…rather than available with effort. Yes, it will get ugly quickly.
In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.