Flush with the victorious takeover of health care by the President and his progressive lemmings have a new target, your 401K. Under the guise of "protecting your future," they want to take over your IRAs in exchange for getting a lifetime guaranteed annuity. Your retirement accounts will be put in the same pot as the Union pension plans (most of which are failing) creating a big pot with all of the solvency of Social Security and AARP wants to help.
Annuities generally guarantee income until the retiree’s death, and often that of a surviving spouse as well. They are designed to protect against the risk that retirees outlive their savings, a danger made clear by market losses suffered by older Americans over the last year, David Certner , legislative counsel for AARP, said in an interview.
“There’s a real desire on a lot of people’s parts to try to encourage something other than just rolling over a lump sum, to make sure this money will actually last a lifetime,” said Certner, legislative counsel for Washington-based AARP, the biggest U.S. advocacy group for retirees.
In February Newt Gingrich and Peter Ferrara warned that the government wants to use the money to pay off the federal deficit:
They will tell you that you are "investing" your money in U.S. Treasury bonds. But they will use your money immediately to pay for their unprecedented trillion-dollar budget deficits, leaving nothing to back up their political promises, just as they have raided the Social Security trust funds.
This "conversion" may start out as an optional choice, though you are already free to buy Treasury bonds whenever you want. But as Karl Denninger of the Market Ticker Web site reports: "’Choices’ have a funny way of turning into mandates, and this looks to me like a raw admission that Treasury knows it will not be able to sell its debt in the open market — so they will effectively tax you by forcing your ‘retirement’ money to buy them."
Moreover, benefits based on Treasury bond interest rates may be woefully inadequate compensation for your years of savings. As Denninger adds, "What’s even worse is that the government has intentionally suppressed Treasury yields during this crisis (and will keep doing so by various means, including manipulating the CPI inflation index) so as to guarantee that you lose over time compared to actual purchasing power."
This proposal follows hearings held last fall by House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., of the Ways and Means Committee focusing on "redirecting (IRA and 401k) tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute," as reported by InvestmentNews.com.
Last week, Connie Hair disclosed in Human Event s the rationale behind the effort— protecting the failing Union Pension Plans:
In February, the White House released its “Annual Report on the Middle Class” containing new regulations favored by Big Labor including a bailout of critically underfunded union pension plans through “retirement security” options.
The radical solution most favored by Big Labor is the seizure of private 401(k) plans for government disbursement — which lets them off the hook for their collapsing retirement scheme. And, of course, the Obama administration is eager to accommodate their buddies.
….the backdoor bulls-eye is on your 401(k) plan and the trillions of dollars the government would control through seizure, regulation and federal disbursement of mandatory retirement accounts.
Boehner and the group are sounding the alarm, warning bureaucrats to keep their hands off of America’s private retirement plans.
The House GOP Savings Recovery Group sent a letter to the Labor and Treasury secretaries, outing the issue :
Dear Secretaries Solis and Geithner:
As members of the Republican Savings Solutions Group, we write today to express our strong opposition to any proposal to eliminate or federalize private-sector defined contribution pension plans, such as 401(k)s, or impose burdensome new requirements upon the businesses, large and small, who choose to offer these plans to their employees.
In the Annual Report of the White House Task Force on the Middle Class, Vice President Biden discussed at length the creation of so-called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, (GRAs)” which would provide for protection from “inflation and market risk” and potentially “guarantee a specified real return above the rate of inflation” — presumably at taxpayer expense. In the Report, the Vice President recommended “further study of these issues.”
The Vice President’s comments are troubling, insofar as they come on the heels of testimony before Congress from supporters of GRAs proposing to eliminate the favorable tax treatment currently afforded to 401(k) plans, and instead use those dollars to fund government-invested GRAs into which all employees would be required to contribute a portion of their salary — again, with a government subsidy. These advocates would, essentially, dismantle the present private-sector 401(k) system, replacing it instead with a government-run investment plan, the size and scope of which remain to be seen. This despite data showing that 90 percent of households have a favorable opinion of the existing 401(k)/IRA system.
In light of these facts, we write today to express our opposition in the strongest terms to any effort to “nationalize” the private 401(k) system, or any proposal that would dismantle or disfavor the private 401(k) system in favor of a government-run retirement security regime.
Similarly, and more recently, the Departments of Labor and Treasury have jointly issued a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options.” While we appreciate the Departments’ seeking guidance and information from all parties and stakeholders in advance of regulatory activity, we strongly urge that the Departments not proceed with any regulation in this area before they have carefully and thoroughly considered all of the information received.
More specifically, we urge that the Departments take no action to mandate that plan sponsors — often, small businesses — include a “lifetime income” or “annuitization” option if they choose to offer a 401(k) plan to their employees, or that beneficiaries take some or all of their retirement savings in such an option. Data shows that 70 percent of Americans oppose the concept of a mandated annuity or government payout of their 401(k) plan. On a more fundamental level, Congress should not be in the business of choosing “winners” and “losers” among retirement security stakeholders. Instead, we urge the Departments to make it easier for employers to include retirement income solutions in their savings plans and to help workers learn more about the value of their retirement savings as a source of retirement income. Finally, to the extent new mandates and bureaucratic red tape from Washington push small employers out of the business of offering these plans to their employees, we would submit such an effort weakens, rather than strengthens retirement security.
We appreciate your consideration of our views in these important matters and stand ready to work with you and the Administration to promote secure and adequate retirement savings for all Americans.
The Progressives may find a way to try to shove it though before the election after all they have all of those union pension plans to protect.
How bad off are the union pension plans? The best single indicator of a plan’s financial health is its Funding Percentage. A fully funded plan will have a funding percentage of 100%. A plan is underfunded when the percentage is below 100%. The lower the percentage, the greater the risk that benefits will not be available when they come due.
According to the Pension Protection Act of 2006 multi-employer (plans set through unions and company sponsors) plans are evaluated via their funding levels. To ensure retiree benefits are protected, when a multi-employer plan falls below certain funding levels, stronger funding requirements become effective under provisions of the Pension Protection Act of 2006. Plans whose funding levels are below 80% are referred to as “endangered,” while those below 65% are referred to as “critical.”
The list of 108 union pension plans below is from the Moody’s September 2009 report (they only measured 125), all are below the 80% level, about half of them are below critical.
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Folks examine these numbers carefully,because one day your pension plans will be making these plans solvent—at your expense.
Cross-posted From "The Lid"
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I Still Can't Believe The Dems Are Suicidal Enough To Think of Doing This
IJB Wednesday, May 12th at 4:13PM EST (link)They will literally not win another election for 40 years if they try and go forward with this – trying to seize people’s retirements funds will lead to a revolution. Literally.
Literally indeed....
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Wednesday, May 12th at 5:20PM EST (link)Maybe most Americans aren’t plugged into politics like us that engage discussion at Redstate and other outlets but I guarantee this, they are plugged into their pocketbook and 401k balance, esp. since it all fell apart. Maybe the Marxists think another big crash will make so many people so uneasy and nervous about their future that they figure the sheeple with willingly sign onto another Statist shenanigan.
They will be wrong.
This will be April 19 all over again.
Average people may look the other way for Obamacare or Porkulus or other legislative crap but they sure won’t look the other way at outright government theft of personal wealth, no matter the balance.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
I think you may have a point there
Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, May 13th at 8:20AM EST (link)If another crash just so happens to take effect within the next year or so, they think people will scream to have their retirements guaranteed and will allow this 401k thing to go through. Instead of letting folks be educated of taking a good portion of their 401k plans when they get close to retirement and putting it into a straight life annuity which would pay a steady income until they passed on. But that would require freedom from government, which of course we all know that is a bad thing.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Agreed. A thievery of privately owned 401Ks triggers a revoltution
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Saturday, May 15th at 9:04PM EST (link)This information needs to be mailed to EVERY person who is a member of a union
Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (Diary) Wednesday, May 12th at 4:46PM EST (link)along with a letter telling them exactly HOW their pension has been spent by their union reps. It would be interesting to see what the union reps’ pension fund solvency is running at – I’d be willing to bet they are MUCH more solvent….
Then remind the union members that funding DEMOCRATS is what got them into that position in the first place -
Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…..
I say "let them come".
acat (Diary) Wednesday, May 12th at 5:40PM EST (link)Mine’s empty, thanks to the sucky economy.
Mew
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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein
The spin will be
usadying (Diary) Wednesday, May 12th at 6:13PM EST (link)that the pension funds are underfunded because of the (evil) stock market collapse. Ditto for 401(k)’s. The government is so much smarter and will guarantee you an annuity for life. Your monthly check will never decline. Don’t you already feel more secure?
Translation: we need your money to buy our Treasuries since the rest of the world is starting to back away from them. Your benefit will never keep up with the coming hyperinflation. And seniors will be in the back of the line for health care, so the payment duration will be much shorter. And when you die, we get to keep everything that’s left. Don’t worry about your children. They will be on our dole anyway.
The beast is getting more and more blatant. Wake up, America!
True, but the spin employed by 401(k) owners
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, May 14th at 10:41AM EST (link)when they take to the streets is likely to be just enough to keep the bullet stable while on its course trajectory. Revolutions ain’t pretty and the statists need to stop looking for a way to trigger one. Their odds of surviving go up if they stick with the polling booth. Ours do too, but that’s the compromise they need to make.
Govt Guaranteed pensions.. Smell like Greece?
GregInFla (Diary) Thursday, May 13th at 1:47AM EST (link)The MSM is definitely in hypnotic trance.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
The same group of players, once again,
Steph C (Diary) Thursday, May 13th at 6:36AM EST (link)like the points of a compass, manipulating everything. Con games and shell games. By the time they’re done, we’ll be convinced of their generosity by the amount of money they “allow” us to keep.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
HA!
marshmom (Diary) Thursday, May 13th at 8:40PM EST (link)I had to laugh when the quote from up above said something like they want our 401k money to pay off the deficit!! NEVER!
They’ll use it to “redistribute” to whomever they deem worthy (i.e., unions, bankers, already wealthy scum suckers like Al Gore).
They are trying very hard to get us to fight back so they can take us down. What they don’t know is that they’re going to push too hard and they aren’t going to be able to stop all of US.
This is the WORST idea to come out of the Obama White House----worse than even HCR
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, May 14th at 12:10AM EST (link)SS is bankrupt, so lets expand it by temporarily sucking the life out of private retirement accounts.
The world needs to go to defined contribution plans, and this plan goes in the opposite direction.
They should call this plan “Turning the US into Greece as quickly as possible Act”
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
It didn't come out of the Obama White House, JSobieski
klondike Friday, May 14th at 3:47AM EST (link)I read about this goal in the Charlotte Observer during the primary. I have since tried to find the article but failed. This has been a goal of the Democrats for quite a while. Remember this, always: liberals loathe self-sufficiency. What’s theirs is theirs and what’s yours is theirs.
I know that Jesse Jackson talked about this in the 1980's
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, May 14th at 9:43AM EST (link)However, this is the first White House to allow the name of the VP to be attached to the idea, endorsing the idea.
This is the absolute worst policy idea to be floated by the Obama White House—absolute stupidity
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
They better hurry
Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, May 15th at 10:11PM EST (link)People are drawing down their 401k’s to live courtesy of Obama wrecking the economy. There might not be much left for the government to commandeer.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.