They would have been right….eventually.

Warm periods in the high latitudes cause more water vapor in the atmosphere which come back out in winter as snow and even year round at very high altitudes. As the snow builds up it reflects more and more solar energy back which causes cooling. We had several years of unusually warm and dry springs and summers, so much so that there were mountain tops with no snow cover for the first time in living memory. I’d been flying back and forth from Juneau to Anchorage since the ’70s and I had never seen the tops of the Chilkats, the mountains on the approach to Juneau, without snow cover until the early ’00s. Then we had a couple of very rainy and cool summers and cold, snowy winters and the snow cover began to build back up, so much so that the snow on the mountains on either side of the Mendenhall Glacier didn’t completely melt last summer for the first time in the 23 years that I’ve lived in this house. This year we’ve had a very mild winter and there is no snow in my yard right now, but we’ve had a lot of rain and it looks as if we’ve had very heavy snow up on the mountains, so we’ll see what the snowpack does this summer.

Global Warming causes everything, hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards, snowstorms, rain, economic failure…. Absolutely. Everything. I’m serial!

I just happen to own thousands of acres of swampland in FL. As the glaciers cover northern Georgia, the value of this land should skyrocket. As a special deal, available only to redstaters, I’m prepared to part with a few parcels of ten acres each for $999,999.
Hurry please. The best parcels are being snapped up as you read this.
Call 555-suckers before it is too late.

Climate change, impending ice age, global warming! All of this nonsense is predicated upon a belief in millions of years of earth history.

There is another view, much more consistent with the evidence, and it has historical documentation backing it up.

Approximately 3500 BC something happened in what is now the the Pacific Ocean, cracking the ocean floor. Comet impact? Not sure. The cold ocean floor started sinking into the mantle, causing a runaway process wherein the entire ocean floor was replaced. Ocean water, coming into contact with the extreme temperatures of the mantle, was instantly vaporized causing world-wide rains. The hot new ocean floor pushed the ocean water up over the continents. North and South America were ripped away from the rest of the landmass. The new ocean floor contracted as it cooled, draining the the water back from atop the continents.

After the flood the oceans were warm and the upper atmosphere was full of volcanic ash. Winter snows far outpaced the melting of the summers in the higher lattitudes, and the snowpack built up. One ice age, advancing and retreating continuously throughout the years. Gradually over hundreds of years the oceans cooled and the sky cleared, The ice age melted away and the ocean levels rose. The system re-stablized and we’ve got what we’ve got.

There is not another ice age coming. There is no “global warming” happening. Climate varies naturally, mostly due to the output of the sun.

I think you dropped a few zeroes in the date of this cataclysmic event.

The next glacial period is always pending…

Unless you happen to have first-hand knowledge regarding the onset of a warming period.

There are too many variables in the physical system to be able to adequately say that past trends or experiences serve as a guide for the future. The MWP was exceptionally warm. If our modern day scientists lived then, they’d be crying that the planet was suffering cataclysmic warming. If they lived during the LIA, the’d be saying the world was going to freeze over completely.

The problem with forecasting is that it suffers from the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

If you’re not ready for the Ice Age then doom on you.

Let’s all go out and buy a Tundra or Sequoia!

came to the house! I parted company with my parents and with fundamentalist religion over dinosaurs when I was about eight years old. At eight, I could understand that the “God said it, I believe it, and that settles it” view of life was missing some things. This is why the Left hates the Right!

I’m sorry folks but I don’t see how anybody with an IQ in double digits and any sort of education can believe that the Earth was created in six days six thousand years ago. I’m not anti-religiious; I can accept most of The Bible as allegory and metaphor, but to accept the Book of Genesis as fact requires a suspension of all credulity.

You younge Earthers are welcome to it’ I’m not going to try to burn you at the stake for it, but you aren’t really going to get a lot of acceptance from people who’ve read anything other than The Bible.

“I don’t see how anybody with an IQ in double digits and any sort of education can believe that the Earth was created in six days six thousand years ago.”

Here’s how: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html

Note how devoted they are to their dating of 68 million years. They mention the YEC take, but they can’t refute it. All they do is restate their position and use negative words like “hijack”, “seized”, and “horrified”. From my perspective, it’s hilarious and sort of pathetic.

Here’s also how:
http://www.icr.org/carbon-14/

According to old earth theory, the amount of Carbon-14 in diamonds should not be detectable. But it’s there and is measurable. More evidence that natural diamonds are not millions of years old.

There are many more examples.

Don’t assume that Young Earth Creationists are of the “God said it, I believe it, and that settles it” mindset. You see that among Christians who trust the Bible to be factually correct, but don’t have the tools or access to pursue the evidence. And that’s fine for some people.

I would characterize Young Earth Creationists as more of a “God said it, I believe it, now lets go investigate and see how it happened.”

Because this is a political site, I wanted to get his viewpoint on a political question.

On origins, I’m a rabid Darwinist to the extent that biology is part of the debate. The ultimate questions I ask of God.

Big Bang is credible IMHO as God’s answer to “Where was God on the day matter first mattered?” If God didn’t want life in the universe, it would not exist.

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Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

I read the article from Jeffdunetz. Good work on his part, but I have to say a couple things about the science.

1. Do any of us believe anything they are doing or saying as accurate anymore? Honestly, when I was a kid back in the late sixties and early seventies I remember the cry of a coming “ice age.” I do and it got my attention. Now it is global warming, not check that, climate change, no check that, we were right the first time and an ice age is coming.

What??

2. How do they know. Short of a time machine or interviewing the a ten thousand year old man, how do they really know? Pollen count found in sediment? Really? Oh, this line of dirt has pollen in it and this line just above it doesn’t so the conclusion is there was an ice age. ???

Now tree rings I get. We can track the amount of rainfall and actually count tree rings to find a relationship. The key was we were there counting the rainfall, not guessing because of pollen count or the amount of trapped CO2 in a gas bubble in the ice. We assume this science is actually functional. Of course, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that bleeding patients back in the Middle Ages was also considered sound science. Just saying….

Enough. Enough already. What if another ice age comes down the pike, is Al Gore going to start begging people to START their SUV’s?? “Come on guys, rev it up a little, it is cold out here!”

Wasn’t this a Denis Quaid movie?

At the end of the last major Ice Age, as glaciers were melting, a massive spill of cold, fresh water into the Atlantic Ocean placed a cap on the thermohaline cycle that regulates Earth climate. This shutdown resulted in a return to Ice Age conditions for 1300 years — a period known as the Younger Dryas.

Is global warming happening? You bet it is. And glaciers are disappearing all over the Arctic, plus weakening greatly in the Antarctic. Will this be enough to place a cap on the thermohaline cycle, again? I suppose we could wait and find out, or we could take proactive measures to prevent it.

Some of us may not like Al Gore, politically, but science is science. And human activity is affecting climate. How much exactly, we may never know, but we might just be able to do something about repairing any damage we’ve done.

Teamwork. I like it.

…and this what can we believe?

It is the Left that believes wither we 1) can believe or 2) can be made to believe anything…thus destroying all trust in all reports. After all, we are not experts ourselves.

So who do we believe, and why? You seem like the kind of person who can answer that, so enlighten us (me) with a very targeted diary: When liars abound how do we know who to believe about Science?
Cheers