Comments on: Health Care Bill Fact of the Day: ‘You Can Keep Your Health Plan,’ But Once You Change it, the Government is Your Only Option http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/ Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:28:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6746 redneck_hippie Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:37:32 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6746 that the unions would be exempted from having to change their coverage. What I heard is the unions had no skin in the game, so they necessarily were merely breaking kneecaps as a security service to The One. Anyone find anything about this in the bill? that the unions would be exempted from having to change their coverage. What I heard is the unions had no skin in the game, so they necessarily were merely breaking kneecaps as a security service to The One. Anyone find anything about this in the bill?

]]> By: Next93 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6745 Next93 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:23:06 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6745 I'm sure the union morons figure that the <strike>Democrats</strike> government will bail out any unionized companies that go under. I’m sure the union morons figure that the Democrats government will bail out any unionized companies that go under.

]]> By: Next93 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6744 Next93 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:20:55 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6744 My take is that they're terrified that people will find out what's in it, that's why it "had" to be passed before the recess. Have you read Madame Pelosi and Toady Hoyer's piece in USA Today (also known as McNews)? They honest-to-God have the unmitigated gall to complain that people being assertive at the townhalls are "derailing the democratic process"! Sorry, folks - you lost the right to accuse anyone of that when you tried to rush this crap sandwich through congress before the people got a chance to see what's in it. My take is that they’re terrified that people will find out what’s in it, that’s why it “had” to be passed before the recess.

Have you read Madame Pelosi and Toady Hoyer’s piece in USA Today (also known as McNews)? They honest-to-God have the unmitigated gall to complain that people being assertive at the townhalls are “derailing the democratic process”!

Sorry, folks – you lost the right to accuse anyone of that when you tried to rush this crap sandwich through congress before the people got a chance to see what’s in it.

]]> By: kyle8 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6741 kyle8 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:00:17 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6741 And it's really worse than that, since the cost that is levied on businesses who dump their plans (pay or pay) is a paltry sum, then, it can be assumed that most business will dump their plans and push you onto Obamacare. BUT WAIT! It gets better, since unionized businesses who have work contracts cannot just dump their coverages, they will be at an even bigger cost disadvantage to other labor. So the idiot unions are once again cutting their own throats. And it’s really worse than that, since the cost that is levied on businesses who dump their plans (pay or pay) is a paltry sum, then, it can be assumed that most business will dump their plans and push you onto Obamacare.

BUT WAIT! It gets better, since unionized businesses who have work contracts cannot just dump their coverages, they will be at an even bigger cost disadvantage to other labor.

So the idiot unions are once again cutting their own throats.

]]> By: Ausonius http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6739 Ausonius Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:18:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6739 A salient quote from the Detroit Free Press website: "Dingell told the crowd -- many of whom wouldn't believe it -- that the bill won't pay for abortions. "The government wants to control my body, my health care decisions and the doctors I see," said Christine Wofford, 56, of Canton, who distributed literature from the Liberty Council, a Lynchburg, Va., religious civil rights law firm." Also: "Earlier in the day, several hundred people gathered outside the Troy office of U.S. Rep. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Hills, to protest abortion, socialism and Obama's health care proposal. They criticized Peters' unwillingness to hold a town hall. "He believes that speaking with constituents one-on-one is the most useful way to meet with constituents," said Cullen Schwarz, Peters' spokesman. "The last one was supposed to last only 90 minutes and he stayed for three hours and 45 minutes so he could talk to everyone who showed up." John Rhen, 68, of Troy wasn't buying it. "They're going to take over everything. It's socialism," he said. "I don't want some bureaucrat making health decisions for me and my family." About 20 people who support the health care reform plan mingled with the protesters trying to get their point across as well." See: http://www.freep.com/article/20090807/NEWS06/908070387/Tempers-flare-over-health-care A salient quote from the Detroit Free Press website:

“Dingell told the crowd — many of whom wouldn’t believe it — that the bill won’t pay for abortions.

“The government wants to control my body, my health care decisions and the doctors I see,” said Christine Wofford, 56, of Canton, who distributed literature from the Liberty Council, a Lynchburg, Va., religious civil rights law firm.”

Also:

“Earlier in the day, several hundred people gathered outside the Troy office of U.S. Rep. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Hills, to protest abortion, socialism and Obama’s health care proposal. They criticized Peters’ unwillingness to hold a town hall.

“He believes that speaking with constituents one-on-one is the most useful way to meet with constituents,” said Cullen Schwarz, Peters’ spokesman. “The last one was supposed to last only 90 minutes and he stayed for three hours and 45 minutes so he could talk to everyone who showed up.”

John Rhen, 68, of Troy wasn’t buying it.

“They’re going to take over everything. It’s socialism,” he said. “I don’t want some bureaucrat making health decisions for me and my family.”

About 20 people who support the health care reform plan mingled with the protesters trying to get their point across as well.”

See:

http://www.freep.com/article/20090807/NEWS06/908070387/Tempers-flare-over-health-care

]]> By: Amy J. http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6738 Amy J. Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:36:32 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6738 Yes, Sir. What I have noticed is that reading this bill is VERY hard. Often you have to scroll back 10 pages or forward 10 pages because they just refer to "section ???" if you know what I mean. They don't make these bills so that normal people can read them, that's for sure. Yes, Sir. What I have noticed is that reading this bill is VERY hard. Often you have to scroll back 10 pages or forward 10 pages because they just refer to “section ???” if you know what I mean. They don’t make these bills so that normal people can read them, that’s for sure.

]]> By: Jeff Emanuel http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6732 Jeff Emanuel Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:02:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6732 HR 3200? HR 3200?

]]> By: IlliniJon http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6731 IlliniJon Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:55:59 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6731 Jeff, when you post these, can you provide link or at least numbers of the specific sections of the bill that deal with whatever your facts are? That would be helpful ammunition. Thanks! - Jon Jeff, when you post these, can you provide link or at least numbers of the specific sections of the bill that deal with whatever your facts are? That would be helpful ammunition.

Thanks!

- Jon

]]> By: Amy J. http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6730 Amy J. Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:43:12 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6730 I have a copy of the health care bill on my computer and I've been trying to read a little bit every day. While what this article says is partially true it's not entirely true. According to the copy of the bill I have, you can only "keep" your insurance for 5 years. After the 5 year "grace" period, all plans have to meet the requirements determined by the federal government. So even if you like the insurance you have now, after that 5 year grace period, it will have to change or you won't be able to keep it. And once it changes, it may not be the health care plan you wanted to keep. (See page 17, Section 202) I have a copy of the health care bill on my computer and I’ve been trying to read a little bit every day. While what this article says is partially true it’s not entirely true. According to the copy of the bill I have, you can only “keep” your insurance for 5 years. After the 5 year “grace” period, all plans have to meet the requirements determined by the federal government. So even if you like the insurance you have now, after that 5 year grace period, it will have to change or you won’t be able to keep it. And once it changes, it may not be the health care plan you wanted to keep. (See page 17, Section 202)

]]> By: RedWhite_and_Truth http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6728 RedWhite_and_Truth Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:17:48 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6728 Sometimes I hate this era. The doublespeak word "option" in the freaking title. TAKE THE WORD OUT, Dimocrats. You know that there is no intention to give any one of us serbs any "option." Sometimes I hate this era. The doublespeak word “option” in the freaking title. TAKE THE WORD OUT, Dimocrats. You know that there is no intention to give any one of us serbs any “option.”

]]> By: Jeff Emanuel http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6727 Jeff Emanuel Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:09:53 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6727 It's about indiv plans It’s about indiv plans

]]> By: Jeff Emanuel http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6726 Jeff Emanuel Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:08:53 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6726 ...in a future Fact of the Day :-) …in a future Fact of the Day :-)

]]> By: nsander1 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6725 nsander1 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:02:50 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6725 Section 102.a of HR 3200 only forbids new "Individual Health Plans" to be sold outside of the Health Insurance Exchange, not new group plans. This is bad enough as it is. Section 102.a of HR 3200 only forbids new “Individual Health Plans” to be sold outside of the Health Insurance Exchange, not new group plans. This is bad enough as it is.

]]> By: MikeInOhio http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6724 MikeInOhio Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:39:31 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6724 Just like, if I push you out a window, and you die, I did not kill you. I can not be held responsible for the action of gravity. Just like, if I push you out a window, and you die, I did not kill you. I can not be held responsible for the action of gravity.

]]> By: Next93 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6723 Next93 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:26:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6723 As I understand it, employers have the "choice" of elmiinating thier health insurance and paying a fine that's actually lower than most employer portions of most current health care plans. Which,of course, means that employer provided health care will probably go the way of the passenger pigeon. At that point, even if YOU didn't change plans, are you made a permanent benficiary of government lagresse? As I understand it, employers have the “choice” of elmiinating thier health insurance and paying a fine that’s actually lower than most employer portions of most current health care plans. Which,of course, means that employer provided health care will probably go the way of the passenger pigeon. At that point, even if YOU didn’t change plans, are you made a permanent benficiary of government lagresse?

]]> By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/10/health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-once-obamacare-takes-effect-your-only-alternative-is-government-approved-or-government-run-health-insurance/#comment-6722 redneck_hippie Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:20:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/?p=1093#comment-6722