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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Tobacco Ban&#8217; Discussion Demonstrates Administration&#8217;s Lack of Seriousness on Military Affairs</title>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Dad quit 3 packs of Camels a day when he was 58, God rest him.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Dad quit 3 packs of Camels a day when he was 58, God rest him.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6300</link>
		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was very helpful.

Also, I agree the government should not be in the business of taxing the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was very helpful.</p>
<p>Also, I agree the government should not be in the business of taxing the troops.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That just got to the point where I was asking myself, &quot;How stupid are you?&quot;  Damn, it was hard though, still is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That just got to the point where I was asking myself, &#8220;How stupid are you?&#8221;  Damn, it was hard though, still is!</p>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nilram</title>
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		<dc:creator>nilram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
And why should my tax dollars be used to fund government employee’s time spent on the sale and distribution of such a poison. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They don&#039;t. Cigarettes are usually purchased at the PX or off post.  According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAFES&quot;&gt;wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;AAFES funds 98% of its operating budget, including civilian employee salaries, inventory investments, utilities and capital investments for equipment, vehicles and facilities, from the sale of merchandise, food and services to customers.&quot; AAFES is the Army and Air Force Exchange Service. In other words only 2% of AAFES operating budget comes from &quot;your tax dollars&quot;. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Intentionally enabling our own troops to poison themselves, reduces their fitness, their strength, their stamina,
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I tell you what. Go to a nearby army post and challenge a smoker to a five mile foot race. When you can win, THEN you can complain about fitness, strength, and stamina.



 and their wealth;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you&#039;re concerned about a soldiers wealth, then you should advocate reducing cigarette taxes or the idiotic DoD directive that requires the PX to charge outrageous prices for cigarettes.

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and when in battle, the smoke and the smell gives away their position to the enemy.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Soldiers don&#039;t smoke in battle. And if smoking on the FOB gives away your position then the enemy is horribly incompentant.</description>
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And why should my tax dollars be used to fund government employee’s time spent on the sale and distribution of such a poison.
</p></blockquote>
<p>They don&#8217;t. Cigarettes are usually purchased at the PX or off post.  According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAFES">wikipedia</a>, &#8220;AAFES funds 98% of its operating budget, including civilian employee salaries, inventory investments, utilities and capital investments for equipment, vehicles and facilities, from the sale of merchandise, food and services to customers.&#8221; AAFES is the Army and Air Force Exchange Service. In other words only 2% of AAFES operating budget comes from &#8220;your tax dollars&#8221;. </p>
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Intentionally enabling our own troops to poison themselves, reduces their fitness, their strength, their stamina,
</p></blockquote>
<p>I tell you what. Go to a nearby army post and challenge a smoker to a five mile foot race. When you can win, THEN you can complain about fitness, strength, and stamina.</p>
<p> and their wealth;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re concerned about a soldiers wealth, then you should advocate reducing cigarette taxes or the idiotic DoD directive that requires the PX to charge outrageous prices for cigarettes.</p>
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and when in battle, the smoke and the smell gives away their position to the enemy.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Soldiers don&#8217;t smoke in battle. And if smoking on the FOB gives away your position then the enemy is horribly incompentant.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6296</link>
		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That there is subsidization of said materials in the Military. After all, just going by the evidence provided here, you have: all of the anecdotal experience of those who have served in the military (or are in close contact with same) on this thread, and some unsourced common-knowledge data about AAFES vs. the opinion of a random guy who, apparently, has had no experience with the military. That&#039;s not a case that favors you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That there is subsidization of said materials in the Military. After all, just going by the evidence provided here, you have: all of the anecdotal experience of those who have served in the military (or are in close contact with same) on this thread, and some unsourced common-knowledge data about AAFES vs. the opinion of a random guy who, apparently, has had no experience with the military. That&#8217;s not a case that favors you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the other. See which one fills up first.

You&#039;re so typical of the political fringe. You come in with opinions based on nothing, and then expect others to waste their time and energy proving you wrong.

I don&#039;t have one more minute to waste on an intellectually lazy troll. 

If the false notion that service members who use tobacco products might use up one or two pennies of your tax dollars tweaks your sensibilities,

GREAT!

Come back when you have anything of value to contribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the other. See which one fills up first.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so typical of the political fringe. You come in with opinions based on nothing, and then expect others to waste their time and energy proving you wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have one more minute to waste on an intellectually lazy troll. </p>
<p>If the false notion that service members who use tobacco products might use up one or two pennies of your tax dollars tweaks your sensibilities,</p>
<p>GREAT!</p>
<p>Come back when you have anything of value to contribute.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6294</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s your argument you say they are now prove they are not!  Not only do you throw out bogus crap you are so pathetic as to think someone else will prove your point for you.  YOU DO IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s your argument you say they are now prove they are not!  Not only do you throw out bogus crap you are so pathetic as to think someone else will prove your point for you.  YOU DO IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6293</link>
		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But forgive me if I don&#039;t change my mind on  your say so alone.  I would very much like to see supporting documentation from the Military that shows exactly how the purchase, distribution, transport, and sales are made and how no government paid employees are involved in the process.  If such documentation exists and supports your statement, then I am happy to withdraw my objection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But forgive me if I don&#8217;t change my mind on  your say so alone.  I would very much like to see supporting documentation from the Military that shows exactly how the purchase, distribution, transport, and sales are made and how no government paid employees are involved in the process.  If such documentation exists and supports your statement, then I am happy to withdraw my objection.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6292</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just lack discipline. I keep telling myself I won&#039;t respond to the baseless statements put out there by marginal trolls.

And yet, I continually find myself doing it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just lack discipline. I keep telling myself I won&#8217;t respond to the baseless statements put out there by marginal trolls.</p>
<p>And yet, I continually find myself doing it. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6291</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As evidence see the running list of diaries where he is pushing the &quot;Obama isn&#039;t a citizen&quot; meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As evidence see the running list of diaries where he is pushing the &#8220;Obama isn&#8217;t a citizen&#8221; meme.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6290</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and thousands of trips to the Post exchange and commissary, as well as 10 years as an Army Recruiter give me any credibility?

One of things that irritates the living crap out of me is civilians, who have never served a day, trying to debate military issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and thousands of trips to the Post exchange and commissary, as well as 10 years as an Army Recruiter give me any credibility?</p>
<p>One of things that irritates the living crap out of me is civilians, who have never served a day, trying to debate military issues.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6289</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/07/14/tobacco-ban-discussion-demonstrates-administrations-lack-of-seriousness-on-military-affairs/#comment-6288</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willfully I presume.</description>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show me how you know this to be true.</description>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you buy cigarettes on base/post, you pay everything but the sales tax. Sales tax is a local thing. 

And, before you start, EVERYTHING a service member buys on base/post is sales tax free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you buy cigarettes on base/post, you pay everything but the sales tax. Sales tax is a local thing. </p>
<p>And, before you start, EVERYTHING a service member buys on base/post is sales tax free.</p>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said, am not interested in preventing anyone from smoking who wants to.  What I would like to see is a way where tax payers like me don&#039;t have to be involved in supporting the sale of tobacco products.  If you can find another way to get your tobacco that doesn&#039;t involve the government acting as a middleman, then I won&#039;t object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, am not interested in preventing anyone from smoking who wants to.  What I would like to see is a way where tax payers like me don&#8217;t have to be involved in supporting the sale of tobacco products.  If you can find another way to get your tobacco that doesn&#8217;t involve the government acting as a middleman, then I won&#8217;t object.</p>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can demonstrate to me that a distribution system is in place (or will be in place) where no tax dollars and no government employees are used in the wholesale purchase, distribution, transport, or sales of tobacco products, then I won&#039;t object to that system.

Also, I am not personally causing any change in government policy. I am not in a position to do that.  I am just telling you what I think, why I think it, and what I tell my elected officials they should do if they want me to support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can demonstrate to me that a distribution system is in place (or will be in place) where no tax dollars and no government employees are used in the wholesale purchase, distribution, transport, or sales of tobacco products, then I won&#8217;t object to that system.</p>
<p>Also, I am not personally causing any change in government policy. I am not in a position to do that.  I am just telling you what I think, why I think it, and what I tell my elected officials they should do if they want me to support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you wouldn&#039;t realize that Soldiers simply don&#039;t smoke while on patrol or in the heat of battle.  Especially since many patrols are mobile patrols in vehicles and the Army does not allow Soldiers to smoke in vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you wouldn&#8217;t realize that Soldiers simply don&#8217;t smoke while on patrol or in the heat of battle.  Especially since many patrols are mobile patrols in vehicles and the Army does not allow Soldiers to smoke in vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Britcom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only can a firefighter smell smoke a mile away, he can tell you what&#039;s burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only can a firefighter smell smoke a mile away, he can tell you what&#8217;s burning.</p>
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