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	<title>Comments on: Barack Obama&#8217;s Unserious Secretary of Energy</title>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6137</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that have anything to do with enhancements to Johnny Winter, or with toning down one&#039;s sex drive?

I think the nuttiest thing that Chu suggested was that roofs should be &lt;i&gt;painted&lt;/i&gt; white after the fact.  The suggestion has always been to install white roofs as part of new or replacement construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that have anything to do with enhancements to Johnny Winter, or with toning down one&#8217;s sex drive?</p>
<p>I think the nuttiest thing that Chu suggested was that roofs should be <i>painted</i> white after the fact.  The suggestion has always been to install white roofs as part of new or replacement construction.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6136</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He explained it very well.  I live in one of those lower latitude/high altitude places.  It is appropriate for solar-electric and solar-convective heating, even wind turbine electric, but direct solar-roof heating isn&#039;t practical. (^:^)

The white roof idea may arguably be effective in saving air-conditioning costs in places like Phoenix.  As you say, that&#039;s an ENERGY issue, not a global warming issue.  And I thought that it was now called &quot;climate change,&quot; anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He explained it very well.  I live in one of those lower latitude/high altitude places.  It is appropriate for solar-electric and solar-convective heating, even wind turbine electric, but direct solar-roof heating isn&#8217;t practical. (^:^)</p>
<p>The white roof idea may arguably be effective in saving air-conditioning costs in places like Phoenix.  As you say, that&#8217;s an ENERGY issue, not a global warming issue.  And I thought that it was now called &#8220;climate change,&#8221; anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6135</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but the above comment is very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but the above comment is very funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Common_Cents</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6134</link>
		<dc:creator>Common_Cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>instead of global warming.

You&#039;d think SEC of ENERGY would have his hands full addressing ENERGY issues, like efficiency, conservation, production, indpendence etc....  not talking about global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of global warming.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think SEC of ENERGY would have his hands full addressing ENERGY issues, like efficiency, conservation, production, indpendence etc&#8230;.  not talking about global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: ocleverone</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6132</link>
		<dc:creator>ocleverone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice find.  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6119</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a cold climate the roof should really just be a weather sheild and provide for very good ventilation.  Cold climate architecture emphasizes a very well insulated envelope that limits all transfer of energy through that envelope.  Your big hassle in really cold climates is getting moisture out.  With 70F inside and -30F outside, water vapor can migrate right through a 6 mil plastic vapor barrier and migrates and freeze all around light fixtures and other penetrations in the envelope.  A roof has to be ventilated well enough to get as much as is possible of that water vapor barrier out to the atmosphere rather than have it freeze on the interior roof surfaces.  If you get much of that,the next time it warms up, it starts raining from your light fixtures.

In high latitude cold climates there is so little solar radiation available in winter that there is essentially no gain available and no net gain through a full day cycle.  In lower latitudes but at high altitude, there can be good solar gain when it is cold, but I think it is best to just make a very secure envelope that doesn&#039;t allow excessive energy transfer to or from the outside environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a cold climate the roof should really just be a weather sheild and provide for very good ventilation.  Cold climate architecture emphasizes a very well insulated envelope that limits all transfer of energy through that envelope.  Your big hassle in really cold climates is getting moisture out.  With 70F inside and -30F outside, water vapor can migrate right through a 6 mil plastic vapor barrier and migrates and freeze all around light fixtures and other penetrations in the envelope.  A roof has to be ventilated well enough to get as much as is possible of that water vapor barrier out to the atmosphere rather than have it freeze on the interior roof surfaces.  If you get much of that,the next time it warms up, it starts raining from your light fixtures.</p>
<p>In high latitude cold climates there is so little solar radiation available in winter that there is essentially no gain available and no net gain through a full day cycle.  In lower latitudes but at high altitude, there can be good solar gain when it is cold, but I think it is best to just make a very secure envelope that doesn&#8217;t allow excessive energy transfer to or from the outside environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Common_Cents</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6116</link>
		<dc:creator>Common_Cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chu is supposed to be sec of ENERGY, not sec of global warming!

Heating dominant climates should have dark roofs.  Only in cooling dominant hot climates should have light colored roofs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chu is supposed to be sec of ENERGY, not sec of global warming!</p>
<p>Heating dominant climates should have dark roofs.  Only in cooling dominant hot climates should have light colored roofs.</p>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6109</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goal is to cut my electric bill down to a manageable level.</description>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6103</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chu is an academic idiot, Nobel Prize notwithstanding.

He didn&#039;t realize that part of his job is negotiating with OPEC.

He&#039;s advocated for higher energy prices.

He&#039;s already drunk the Global Warming kool-aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chu is an academic idiot, Nobel Prize notwithstanding.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t realize that part of his job is negotiating with OPEC.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s advocated for higher energy prices.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s already drunk the Global Warming kool-aid.</p>
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		<title>By: pliny</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6101</link>
		<dc:creator>pliny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve been quiet lately. But I wanted to come in on this one, because I think albedo enhancement is the best of the geoengineering ideas, and the most sensible. As you say, it benefits building occupants. The paper I cited focussed on the benefits to the cities, in UHI reduction. There&#039;s a small but significant cooling for the planet. And the costs are manageable. 

There is, of course, scope for more ambitious albedo modification schemes outside urban areas to achieve global cooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve been quiet lately. But I wanted to come in on this one, because I think albedo enhancement is the best of the geoengineering ideas, and the most sensible. As you say, it benefits building occupants. The paper I cited focussed on the benefits to the cities, in UHI reduction. There&#8217;s a small but significant cooling for the planet. And the costs are manageable. </p>
<p>There is, of course, scope for more ambitious albedo modification schemes outside urban areas to achieve global cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6100</link>
		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/13423/&quot;&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt; discusses the now infamous &quot;hockey stick&quot; which ia &quot;...a remarkable graph that has become a poster child for the environmental movement. Published by M. Mann and colleagues in 1998 and 1999, the plot showed that the climate of the Northern Hemisphere had been remarkably constant for 900 years until it suddenly began to heat up about 100 years ago-right about the time that human use of fossil fuels began to push up levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide. The overall shape of the curve resembled a hockey stick laying on its back-a straight part with a sudden bend upwards near the end.

The hockey stick was turned from a scientific plot into the most widely reproduced picture of the global warming discussion.&quot;

Hope these get you off in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/13423/">This one</a> discusses the now infamous &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; which ia &#8220;&#8230;a remarkable graph that has become a poster child for the environmental movement. Published by M. Mann and colleagues in 1998 and 1999, the plot showed that the climate of the Northern Hemisphere had been remarkably constant for 900 years until it suddenly began to heat up about 100 years ago-right about the time that human use of fossil fuels began to push up levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide. The overall shape of the curve resembled a hockey stick laying on its back-a straight part with a sudden bend upwards near the end.</p>
<p>The hockey stick was turned from a scientific plot into the most widely reproduced picture of the global warming discussion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope these get you off in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that discusses the firestorm the study ignited. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/1000yrclimatehistory-d/Sep5-CHEarticle.txt&quot;&gt;Here ya go&lt;/a&gt;. The title of the paper is in there. Maybe if you copy/paste it into a search engine you might find a pdf or something. It&#039;s too late in the evening for me to do it. I&#039;ve already had to correct too many typos in this reply! :)

(Yawn) G&#039;night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that discusses the firestorm the study ignited. <a href="http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/1000yrclimatehistory-d/Sep5-CHEarticle.txt">Here ya go</a>. The title of the paper is in there. Maybe if you copy/paste it into a search engine you might find a pdf or something. It&#8217;s too late in the evening for me to do it. I&#8217;ve already had to correct too many typos in this reply! <img src='http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Yawn) G&#8217;night.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6096</link>
		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I did find an article from the UK Telegraph that talks about it.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1426744/Middle-Ages-were-warmer-than-today-say-scientists.html&quot;&gt;Here ya go&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called &quot;temperature proxies&quot; such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.

The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.&quot;

Sorry, couldn&#039;t find the actual study. Maybe Al Gore paid them to remove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I did find an article from the UK Telegraph that talks about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1426744/Middle-Ages-were-warmer-than-today-say-scientists.html">Here ya go</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called &#8220;temperature proxies&#8221; such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.</p>
<p>The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, couldn&#8217;t find the actual study. Maybe Al Gore paid them to remove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time no read.

A distinction between &lt;i&gt;reflected&lt;/i&gt; radiation and &lt;i&gt;absorbed&lt;/i&gt; radiation is important.  The point of the white paint is to reflect more of the light, &lt;b&gt;before&lt;/b&gt; it&#039;s absorbed.

Once any of the light frequencies is absorbed, it&#039;s converted into heat energy, which may be re-radiated off the roof, for instance, or conducted/radiated through a poorly insulated attic into the living area of the building, which then requires air conditioning energy to move back to the outside air, along with the additional heat created by the air conditioner.  It&#039;s better to just reflect it in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time no read.</p>
<p>A distinction between <i>reflected</i> radiation and <i>absorbed</i> radiation is important.  The point of the white paint is to reflect more of the light, <b>before</b> it&#8217;s absorbed.</p>
<p>Once any of the light frequencies is absorbed, it&#8217;s converted into heat energy, which may be re-radiated off the roof, for instance, or conducted/radiated through a poorly insulated attic into the living area of the building, which then requires air conditioning energy to move back to the outside air, along with the additional heat created by the air conditioner.  It&#8217;s better to just reflect it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: molybdanthan</title>
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		<dc:creator>molybdanthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davo119</title>
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		<dc:creator>davo119</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole concept of &quot;Greenhouse Gas&quot; is that the reflected heat is contained as in GREENHOUSE. 

BTW I like the tinfoil hat idea. Or even better an Orgone accumulator. 
http://inventors.about.com/od/qrstartinventors/a/orgone.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole concept of &#8220;Greenhouse Gas&#8221; is that the reflected heat is contained as in GREENHOUSE. </p>
<p>BTW I like the tinfoil hat idea. Or even better an Orgone accumulator.<br />
http://inventors.about.com/od/qrstartinventors/a/orgone.htm</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when the house that is being cooled by air conditioning absorbs less heat through its roof surface.  Less energy is then used to keep the house cool.  The original suggestion, made years ago, was that it was a way to cut down on the electric bill in areas like Phoenix.  It could make some noticeable improvements in some bills, even if overall it probably has an imperceptible effect on global warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when the house that is being cooled by air conditioning absorbs less heat through its roof surface.  Less energy is then used to keep the house cool.  The original suggestion, made years ago, was that it was a way to cut down on the electric bill in areas like Phoenix.  It could make some noticeable improvements in some bills, even if overall it probably has an imperceptible effect on global warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This proposal has been around in the Southwest for years.  It&#039;s a good idea, in fact.

I&#039;d guess that over half of the cars in Arizona are white, and plenty more are another light color.  The roofs and parking lots should also be a light color, and some new ones are.  There is even a &quot;white&quot; road asphalt available, I believe, although I don&#039;t remember ever seeing it in use.

Just because it sounds nutty doesn&#039;t mean that it is.  And Chu acknowledged that it was only part of the answer to his problem.  He may not be a serious Sec. of Energy, but this isn&#039;t proof of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This proposal has been around in the Southwest for years.  It&#8217;s a good idea, in fact.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess that over half of the cars in Arizona are white, and plenty more are another light color.  The roofs and parking lots should also be a light color, and some new ones are.  There is even a &#8220;white&#8221; road asphalt available, I believe, although I don&#8217;t remember ever seeing it in use.</p>
<p>Just because it sounds nutty doesn&#8217;t mean that it is.  And Chu acknowledged that it was only part of the answer to his problem.  He may not be a serious Sec. of Energy, but this isn&#8217;t proof of it.</p>
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		<title>By: ocleverone</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/05/27/barack-obamas-unserious-secretary-of-energy/#comment-6088</link>
		<dc:creator>ocleverone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I worked hard for over half of our lives for our house.  We have paid for every black architectural shingle that is nailed to this massive carbon foot print - and we enjoy it every minute.

If the Greenies want me to paint my roof white, they can just back up their truck loaded with a bunch of money, buy my house and paint it any color they choose.

Until then, we bought it - we decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I worked hard for over half of our lives for our house.  We have paid for every black architectural shingle that is nailed to this massive carbon foot print &#8211; and we enjoy it every minute.</p>
<p>If the Greenies want me to paint my roof white, they can just back up their truck loaded with a bunch of money, buy my house and paint it any color they choose.</p>
<p>Until then, we bought it &#8211; we decide.</p>
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		<title>By: ocleverone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ocleverone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is was done around 2002 but for the life of me, I can no longer find it on the web.</description>
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