Mitch McConnell has spent a decent amount of time in the last week speaking about “his path to a “post-partisan” era,” which involves, in his eyes, “both sides…reject[ing] their party’s extremes and govern[ing] from the middle.” Doing this will somehow, according to the Senate Minority Leader, reverse the GOP’s current course toward being “a regional party.”
Amidst all the bipartisan, permanent-minority mumbo-jumbo, MCConnell has stumbled onto one very important fact: that “common-sense conservative principles aren’t regional,” but that the GOP’s “sales job has been.”
The term “bipartisan,” which has recently been replaced by President Obama and his supporters in the media with the term “post-partisan,” has but one meaning in common usage: a compromise forged by Republicans abandoning their conservative principles on any given issue and meeting Democrats on their staked-out liberal turf.
Rather than selling out the base, and conservatism as a whole, Republicans need to ensure that they are rock-solid on conservative principles in both word and action. Being little more than “Democrat-lite” will not benefit the GOP at all — nor will it accurately represent the millions of American conservatives who look to the Republican party for principled representation.
Speaking of which, I must say I find it both interesting and ironic that many of those who have taken it upon themselves to advise the GOP to move further toward the elusive “center” — and to avoid being an opposition-only party — are Democrats who spent the last eight years moving farther and farther to the left, proposing few if any new initiatives, and obstructing the President and the Republican majority at every turn.
Taking a page out of the Democrats’ obstructionist, make-the-majority-own-their-big-government-proposals playbook is a very good move for a GOP which stands to gain nothing from compromising its principles for the purpose of “bipartisanship” (which in this case means providing the majority with cover when their policies fail). Taking advice from Democrats and those who have a vested interest in Republican failure, on the other hand, is not.
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steveegg Friday, January 30th at 8:12PM EST (link)I could’ve swore Erick said to send balls to Mitch McConnell.
The party has TOO many principles
Princeliberty Friday, January 30th at 8:18PM EST (link)McConnell is the classic example of the money driven cheap politician without principles who got the Republican party in trouble.
And now he says the party’s problem is that is has too many principles.
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ANTI-SOUTHERN BIGOTRY ON THE RIGHT
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:16PM EST (link)I speak as one that tried cases to juries in the early and late 90s in the Twin Cities, Worcester, MA and Los Angeles and won them all.
But after a few years here at RS and at R408, I developed a superiority complex due to the conservatives I encountered here and in the conservative MSM of talk radio and the blogosphere of whites that were and are bigoted against southerners that THEY AGREE WITH ON THE ISSUES.
I and ALL conservatives I know down here would NEVER suggest that any decision be made about ANYONE based on region.
Are we into truth or not?
disgusting
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Looked at a map lately?
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:01PM EST (link)game
As you prepare for lift-off into the stratosphere of indignation, you might consult a map of the last election.
No state in NE went R.
Florida went D.
The West is mostly D, with the CA Republican party being almost invisible.
Leaving the upper Midwest and the South as solid R turf.
I’m not sure if McConnell is right or wrong, nor the root causes of this shift, but I can read a map and the trend is not good.
Those are facts, and the job of McConnell and now Michael Steele is to appeal to more of the country to rebuild the R brand. What exactly that means, beats the heck out of me and I am not lobbying for any specific course of action, but deal with facts, and facts are the R brand is not selling well outside of a few regional areas of the country.
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Yeah, So If Your Point Is....
rcov092 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:10PM EST (link)we lost, I get it. Our point is we lost because of Mitch McConnell and his “defeatist” cronies. He has been in the thick of leadership for the last 8 years. He, among the others in “Leadership” have to bear the burde for the losses in 06/08. Now it is crystal clear why.
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SteveLA (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:51PM EST (link)rcov92….Is that an Imperial “We”, and did I miss the coronation?
Last time I check a political party is a collection of like minded from a political sense individuals. Ideas are what people get behind and vote for, and if you mean a lack of ideas that a majority of people who make up a party and a large part of the population in general agree with has been missing over the past 8 years, well you do have a point.
The point McConnell made is that those ideas have to attract a national following, not just a regional one, well if you want to win national elections. The “We” you speak of does want to win elections and govern for the good of this country…correct?
Got ideas?
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You can't sell a car without offering it for sale!
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:58AM EST (link)you advertise it’s availability and set about telling people what’s right about the car and why they should by it….
I think the problem here Steve…is that we shouldn’t abandon conservatism and become more like the people we’re trying to defeat without making at least a half hearted attempt at selling the conservative product and telling people why they should buy it…
To me it’s absurd that McConnell and those like him in this party have spent the last 8 years running away from conservatives only to turn arouns after they’ve lost and blamed the very thing they’ve refused to represent for their failure….
I’m no genius or anything…but hasn’t Chris Shays and his ilk spent the last 30 years running away from conservatism and acting like Democrat light while calling conservatives every dirty name in the left wing book? So how is it that conservatism is the reason he and his crowd have been swept completely away in the NE?
What you and McConnell are saying is proof that we need to moderate looks more to me like proof that moderating to pander to liberals and act like our enemies are doomed to failure!
In fairness to car salesman nationwide
AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:13AM EST (link)you can’t sell a car until there is at least someone out there ready to buy. It also helps to have a decent product. There wasn’t much opportunity to sell and there weren’t very many people ready to buy. Folks have to stop confusing “Bush burnout” (and I think that is real, whether folks think it is fair or not), with some kind of political earthquake. Things will change quicker than most of us think, you’ll start to hear some ears open up right now as this stimulus crap goes through. Start selling.
Hell is other people – Sartre
There are obvious problems with the analogy but the principle is still the same...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:39AM EST (link)No one has tried to sell conservative truth or conservative principles in the north east and the west cost in 30 years…the fact that there are currently no buyers for the truth of conservatism doesn’t make those principles less true!
The party has ignored these regions sine Reagan last won them and we’ve lost them as a result…does that mean we couldn’t win there again by stridently arguing our case and communicating the timeless principles we represent? I don’t think so and I really believe if the effort was made…and if we could stop the McConnells and the McCains oft his world from cutting us off at the knees at every turn we could win at lest one or two seats there….which would be 1 or 2 more than we have there now!
This much I do know…If we have to become the Democrats to win elections and decide to follow that path…then we’ve already lost so we might as well just quit now because I’m not in this just to see my guy in office…
I’m in it for the ideas and what I believe to be the truth…if winning is the only goal…and selling my soul as the only way to win…then I’m out!!!
Ace, we are in this for exactly the same reason - nt
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AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:50PM EST (link)"I’m in it for the ideas and what I believe to be the truth…if winning is the only goal…and selling my soul as the only way to win…then I’m out!!!" 555!
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:45PM EST (link)This IMHO is the difference between the base and those we have elected. For us it’s about ideas, for them, it’s about power and longevity.
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On sale
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:11AM EST (link)I know you’ll disagree, but on sale has not been cars but cod liver oil over the past few year.
The vast majority of the electorate in this country are in neither the hard left or the hard right base. I’d point out that the Donks have gotten better at pretending to be moderate, this side of the ditch is in a lather over how to turn even harder right of late.
Seems to me that nobody is suggesting that the R brand abandon core principles, but maybe this side needs to cut out the Fire and Brimstone act along with the Carry Nation act. While I am sure Fire and Brimstone turns some people on, it turns off far more Americans in the middle, and as Donks have figured out, elections turn on the middle not on the extreme sides of the base of ether party.
Beating people over the head with
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Isn't that a big assumption?
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:53PM EST (link)by saying “even harder right” you’re saying the party has been “hard right” up till now….I contend they’ve been anything but….on fiscal issues, social issues and any other issue you want to name
You're fogged in, Steve.
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 4:47PM EST (link)“The point McConnell made is that those ideas have to attract a national following, not just a regional one, well if you want to win national elections.”
So, it seems that McConnell is suggesting we should change our ideas. “Ideas” in this context are “principles,” and changing principles to attract voters makes no sense unless you’re a Democrat and can run supporting one set of “ideas” and then support the opposite once you’re elected. Given that “integrity” is one of our “ideas,” that wouldn’t work very well for Republicans.
Therefore, I must believe that McConnell really wants to abandon those principles that he finds inconvenient in campaigning in the Northeast. I have to agree with those folks here who have surely pointed out that we’ve lost ground there by ABANDONING our principles, not by sticking with them too closely.
McConnell’s path is not only counterproductive, it’s already been proven so by the history of the last 17 years. Disaffection with Republicans started with the failure of George H. W. Bush to keep his promise against “no new taxes.” You can fill in the mistakes of the interim years at your leisure.
We either believe in Conservatism or we don’t. We either believe it’s the right way to govern, or we don’t. Our task isn’t to find the principles that will attract more voters, it’s to find ways of articulating Conservative principles truthfully that will convince those voters it’s beneficial to become conservative in their outlook on life, and to vote Republican as a result.
Jeff said it well. Mitch McConnell didn’t.
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Principles....oh yea those
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 4:54PM EST (link)I’ll be happy with the R brand returning to two principles that attracted me to the brand.
10th Amendment and keeping the Federal government out of states rights in end of life decisions and abortion matters.
Fiscal restraint.
Pretty simple stuff, but something that half the “base” won’t like.
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What makes you say that?
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 5:08PM EST (link)about the “base” that is.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
The half
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 5:26PM EST (link)Easy, the half of the base that supports HLA and other Federal interventions in the area of abortions. Returning the matter to the states is not good enough for those that hold strong views on the matter. Look no further than the Terry Schiavo affair to confirm that observation.
States rights mean just that, let the state determine what the law on end of life and abortion should be. South Dakota did a pretty good job of sorting out the matter in a way that seems satisfy the majority of the citizens of that state, as would California.
In terms of a change in R principles , moving away from support of pushing for Federal intervention in abortion matters to a desire to let states decide what to do about abortion would in my view go a long way to attracting the middle back to the party, but somehow I can feel the slings and arrows being prepared now.
For what it’s worth, I have voted for every CA initiative that has tried to introduce reasonable restrictions on abortion like parental notifications, but I would probably not support a HLA amendment here in California.
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What I got out of your comment is
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 6:35PM EST (link)that you’re upset about what you think other people believe regarding conflicting principles. I’d guess that most would be on your side of that issue.
These discussions get bogged down when they start to argue at the extremes. I may be wrong, but the specifics of a Human Life Amendment (that’s what HLA means, right?) are nowhere near the center of my conservative principles. That is, I think the Tenth Amendment is far more important than any state legislation that might come out of it.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
I'm not sure the Republican "brand"
ehosterman (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:18PM EST (link)isn’t selling, since we haven’t seen the real republican brand in the last 8 years. Let’s face it, if the Republican party wants to be the Democratic party lite, people will just vote for the real thing. The fact that Obama ran on tax cuts for the middle class (as did Clinton) justs shows that real republican ideals can sell. Of course then you have to actually follow through on your ideals.
We need to make a distinction here...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:14AM EST (link)I don’t think the “Republican” brand is selling at all. I mean…what exactly IS the “Republican” Brand?
I know what you are saying and you are right…but it would be more accurate to say “I’m not sure the “conservative” “brand” isn’t selling, since we haven’t seen the real “conservative” brand in the last 8 years.
I’m increasingly of the mind that we need to separate the two terms from one another because to be a Republican doesn’t necessarily make one a “conservative” and I think it’s high time “conservatives” draw the distinction with a party that has shunned them and refuses to represent them…Of course we should ally with the “Republican Party” whenever possible…but we can no longer afford to let “Republicans” take “conservatives” for granted and “conservatives” should show the “Republican Party” the same loyalty the “Republican Party” has shown “conservatives”!
given the recent unanimous House vote, let's wait
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:23AM EST (link)till after the senate vote!
timing my brother
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Yeah...I know...but I think McConnell's comments tell you where it's heading right? nt
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:41AM EST (link)I have heard two statements from Mitch
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:50AM EST (link)that convince me his finger is waiting on the wind
let’s blow right!
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yeah...get on the phone and singe his nose hair!
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:45PM EST (link)Amen
I have heard two statements from Mitch
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agreed - thinking - superiority complex enhanced! - nt
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I would add this re map perusing - that dems won non-contiguous states
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:26PM EST (link)is no moe significant
the point is that region is insignificant except insofar as won may discern the reasons for Southrn wisdom
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Oddly, those are the
jonathanswift (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:58AM EST (link)parts of the country with economies.
McConnell must resign - he is a bigot - nt
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McConnel Must Go As Minority Leader...
rcov092 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:44PM EST (link)lest it turn into a job in perpetuity. Start a movement #mitchgone.
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I want to withdraw the second half of that statement
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:21PM EST (link)and maybe the first, but the fact is that region is not per se dangerous. That is procedure. Substance is what matters, and whether it is a MAJORITY that happens to be contiguous or a minority that is dispersed, what matters is TRUTH.
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Mitch McConnell is a self deluded. If people want to be Democrats
Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:17PM EST (link)they will. This is because most people are honest enough with themselves to identfy what they are. Only craven, dishonest, hipocritical politicians can be a Democrat and call themselves a Republican. See “John McCain”.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Regional? Jesus had a very isolated "regional" idea as did Lincoln, as did
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:20PM EST (link)Washington, as did
WTF!!!!!
If something is true, what does it matter where the truth is acknowledged!
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It's Happy hour....cheers!
speciallist (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:23PM EST (link)np
avoidance does not become you - nt
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Smile!....at least till Monday?....
speciallist (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:33PM EST (link)I’m gonna TP Mitch’s house tonight….don’t tell…
I don't denounce those that wait but I exalt those that can't wait. As MLK said, "How long?", Not long?
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:38PM EST (link)Yes, fellow whites and esp fellow southerners, we are tough, but this is blatent and raw and what matters is truth, and that it resonates in particular adjoining states doesn’t diminish same.
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'llist, this issue is a perfect example of the limitations of Redstate and why Gamecock is about to, and MUST graduate - more
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Would you ever be a politician?
speciallist (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:45PM EST (link)I am not kidding….
great question and also a cause for confession
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:16PM EST (link)The short answer, as pertains to the future is NO, and I …more later
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'liist, I lost my only race, but I won three races as a campaign manager
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:46PM EST (link)I can’t suffer fools and if I had won the local race would have loathed midnight phone calls about potholes.
I recognize that we need people that are willing to deal with this minutia, but also see that campaign finance laws makes whores the only ones that seek same!
more later
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Hey man...pick me up on the way!
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:46AM EST (link)I’m not anywhere near KY or DC…but I’m there with ya in spirit!
Don't TP it - just toss some of those red balls we are mailing to him at his house
Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:58AM EST (link)n/t ; )
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I heard McConnell on Hannity....he's weak
speciallist (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:22PM EST (link)I was hoping he would be more Manly….
He fails to get me fired up…..Please….Not one Repub vote on the Porkulus!!!
What is he smokin'?
barry915barry (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:22PM EST (link)Boy that must sure be some powerful stuff he is on. I can think of some 50 plus million reasons why he is delusional. President Reagan must be turning in his grave.
amen Barry, but the real test is for US! Will we have the courage to call bigotry by its name and DEMOTE McConnell? I suspect not, and that causes me to disrespect
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:33PM EST (link)masses here much like I disrespected racial bigots down here 35 years ago!!!!!
stupid ass ignorant bigots live
and that’s why God keeps me alive
to confront them
not the gross obvious ones
but rather the acceptable types that will soon be heard out of shame and guilt
bring it punks
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Fifty States is a region. nt
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:23PM EST (link)amen, as if adjacency were a disqualification of virtue - nt
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Region is as irrelevant as skin pigmentation
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:24PM EST (link)Truth is what matters and where it happens to resonate is irrelevant except insofar as one seeks to understand WHY it resonated in aparticular place…
hence
my SUPERIORITY COMPLEX in Dixie
I mean it
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Where to Move
DonPMitchell (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:24PM EST (link)The political space is more than one dimensional. It’s not a matter of moving to the left, which I am sure is not what McConnell has in mind. But the party must reassert itself as the part of fiscal conservatism. I think the constructive criticism of the recent stimulus bill was step in the right direction — it needed far more effort on infrastructure, for example.
McCain made a huge misstep when he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. Many of the conservatives I know in business were very disturbed by this choice and what it implied about McCain’s personal judgement.
I still believe what Goldwater said may years ago, about the danger of allowing the religious right to gain too much power in the GOP, and I believe the recent election defeats are because the party has narrowed its appeal too much to a regional minority of religious social conservatives.
Goldwater: In your heart, you know he’s right
So?
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:46PM EST (link)And most of the conservatives ~I~ know in business thought that Palin was a great choice and one that made Johnnie Mac look less like a weenie.
What’s your point?
Please be specific — what exactly did the choice of Palin say about McCain’s judgment, in your view? Kindly don’t be passive aggressive — say right out loud what it is you believe was wrong with the choice.
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DPM just has an attitude about SoCons. Ignore him. Everybody else does. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:48PM EST (link)Would that be...
Josh Painter (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:54PM EST (link)The same Sarah Palin who promoted entrepreneurial wsmall business at ever campaign even? The same Sarah palin who argued for lower corporate taxes to keep businesses here in the U.S.A. instead of giving them a reason to move their operations overseas? The same Sarah Palin who argued for domestic drilling to create thousands of new jobs? that Sarah Palin?
About those conservatives you know in business. What kinds of businesses are they in, Hollywood movie making? MSNBC? The New York Times?
And you seem to want to ignore the conservative Barry Goldwater in favor of the aging Barry Gold who became more moderate with each passing day in his later years. Barry Goldwater the conservative said, “Those who elevate the state and downgrade the citizen must see ultimately a world in which earthly power can be substituted for Divine Will, and this Nation was founded upon the rejection of that notion and upon the acceptance of God as the author of freedom..”
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The same Sarah Palin that excited an apathetic base?
scottbomb (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:29PM EST (link)nt
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thank you brother - you echo RUSH today who identified Palin as THE CONSERVATIVE
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:40AM EST (link)he knows whereof he speaks
and so do you
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Excellent one, Josh!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:31AM EST (link)Your comment is equivalent to a ONE-FULL SERIOUS DIARY.
I love that Same Palin!
Sarah Palin was the first Pres/VP nominee from Alaska
civil truth (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:44PM EST (link)…and Alaska is hardly the South or Midwest. So choosing her was hardly an act of perpetuating regionalism, but rather bringing in a different voter profile.
And since this post was about McConnell’s warning about becoming a “regional” party and not about McCain’s failings, I call threadjack.
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I still believe what Goldwater said may years ago...
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:46PM EST (link)that would be when he was old, infirm, going on senile and married to a younger, very liberal wife who obviously influenced his late in life opinions.
What’s your excuse.
In your quest to build a party devoid of social conservative concerns and thus devoid of social conservatives, you’ll return to the solid electoral performances that Goldwater racked up in ’64.
And just to wrap up on a high note, no, he wasn’t right. Ronald Reagan was.
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Ha ha ha!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:27AM EST (link)5!!!
Somewhat right & very wrong
Whitehorse (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:34AM EST (link)Definitely right for the Republicans to oppose the pork-earmark payback bill – wong to want more infrastructure. The way to actually stimulate an economy to expand is to incentivize business to expand, creating more jobs & opportunity. Not government spending.
Very wrong on Palin. As posted by others, the boost she gave McCain was incredible. The problem with the Republicans in power is not that they are too far right on social issues – social conservative values win for Republicans, Democrats, & on their own much more than lose. The problem was going left on economics & government growth.
Yeah...that's what we need...lets tell those radical right wing Christian bigots that represent 2/3s of the party they aren't welcome in the tent any more...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:59AM EST (link)brilliant
McCain did not lose because of Palin, McCain lost because of McCain
Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:08AM EST (link)All the conservatives I know – in person and online love Sarah – she is the only reason it was close.
Think about this – what if McCain would have picked Lieberman or Liberal Manboy Lindsey Graham for his VP – do you think he would have even got close to 40% – it would have been more like 30% – it would have been a SLAM dunk for Obama if Palin were not in the game.
The reason why McCain lost – he killed his own momentum – he did the absolute most stupid move in politics, life, and anywhere else in life that I have ever seen – FIVE WORDS – “I am suspending my campaign” – now this could have kept his momentum going – this could have sealed his deal for victory – but no McCain trying to be all whatever he was trying to be – went to D.C. and VOTED FOR the stupid last pork bill. Had he stood strong and said NO WAY, had he worked with House Republicans and brokered a deal that caused the House GOP to do what they did the other day (even against their own party – Bush) because it was the right thing to do – McCain could have won – but McCain did what he thought was right and “honorable” and he blew any chance he had – Obama truly won that day.
Joe the Plumber tried to help him, Sarah Palin tried to help him, even Hannity and others tried to help him but he was so out of touch with everyday people that he did not get it that the people did not like this and did not want this – the liberals did what they are trying to do now – get GOP to vote “bipartisan” with them so that if it succeeds they (liberals) can take all the credit and say the GOP really had nothing to do with it – “we wrote it” – and if it fails (as it did and as it will) then they actually blame the GOP for their failures.
GOD Bless the HOUSE GOP for standing strong and basically telling Pelosi to shut up and own it. House GOP ROCKS (at least they did on this one – hope this continues). It is like the Br’er Rabbit story – stupid liberal democrats – I am glad you cannot trick the GOP so easily as they have for a long time (remember – oh no we fear McCain, please don’t pick McCain).
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin
Liberalism is in danger of being bi-coastal - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:25PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Imposter.
Bobcat51 Friday, January 30th at 8:33PM EST (link)The Republicans must clean house of these types of limp wristed go nowhere meet in the middle representatives!
Obama and his henchmen are beating us to pulp by sticking with the Demo rule book. It’s about time we took the kid gloves off and got back into the fight. The country is in deep doo doos and moving left at warp speed!
Mr. Steele’s first job is to buy a stiff broom and sweep these RINO’s out of the party and replace with real conservatives with back bone and principles.
No wonder we are all at sea and rudder less with these navigators plotting our course!.
The left wing intent is to destroy the existing society and replace it with a society of its own design.
Get a grip, people
Brad Smith (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:52PM EST (link)If McConnell is a RINO, then we aren’t a regional party – we’re a party that can fit in a closet.
Brad Smith
Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law
Capital University Law School
Capital University website
Center for Competitive Politics website
You should come back to Mason
Old_Dominion (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:00PM EST (link)You would have been a great addition to this year’s CRLJ symposium: http://www.law.gmu.edu/gmucrlj/symposium.php
So then is the idea
Old_Dominion (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 8:57PM EST (link)to not be competitive in the Northeast, the West Coast, or the Mid-Atlantic states? I mean would you rather recruit and run centrist and center-left GOPers in these areas and have a chance to win, or stand firm on principles and run a Jim DeMint-type candidate in New York and always go down to an honorable defeat? Democrats got wise to the game and ran guys like Mark Warner, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, and others who don’t give the left the warm and fuzzies, but do give liberal committee chairmen sizable majorities and put their party a whisker away from 60 Senate seats.
The Idea is to win!
barry915barry (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:21PM EST (link)WITHOUT compromising our principles. As has been noted in previous posts, the dems had 7 freshman that ran against Tarp, and then 5 voted for it. The left simply recruits candidates that look like they fit the demographics, but they are simply liars. But what the party has NOT done, is give up their base. The Dems have moved left, and so have we. We need to move to the Right. This is how we won under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. It is how we will win under Palin, Jindahl, or some other rising star.
So then is the idea
flicka47 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:32PM EST (link)to not be competitive…
No the idea is to clearly state what conservative is to as many people than can be reached.Most people are not political animals,and barely listen to specifics.The Dems did it by telling a whole lot of people what they wanted to hear. We have to reach all of those,as well as our own to tell them what being conservative means
Federalism,limited central gov’t,Federal gov;t doing only what states can’t or shouldn’t(like CA coming up with their own CAFE standards)
Less Federal taxatiion,more local control of $$ spent
You know the list,but the Muddle does not understand.
We have to make them understand,the same way the Dems sold them a bill of goods.
Thank You
dld1717 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:42PM EST (link)I always have to question where posters live cause if you reside in blue state you tend to accept any Republican over a Democrat
You are welcome
flicka47 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:54PM EST (link)I’m in bankrupt Kalifornia! ( but always red!)
I think a lot of you guys are reading WAY to far into the electoral map.
scottbomb (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:37PM EST (link)Just because a state that was red for W turned blue for Obama doesn’t mean we have to abandon our principles and become Dem lites to draw those voters! In fact, a lot of those states were VERY close. The truth of the matter, in my opinion, is that Obama’s voters were exicted about voting for him (which probably drew more 1st time voters and people who rarely vote) and ours were not excited about voting for McCain (which probably led to some people staying home).
Dittoheads – remember all those callers who said they’d never vote for McCain? Rush was sympathetic but he tried to convince them that we can’t afford Obama. I don’t think he changed very many minds on this one. It’s kinda like ’04: the Dem base just couldn’t get excited about John Kerry, so they didn’t turn out in sufficient numbers to elect him.
Sure, there are some states like CA and NY that I doubt will ever turn red during my lifetime but most states are really not that “solid” in either color.
www.HowObamaGotElected.com
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
They had a rock star and we had a candidate unable to explain Fannie/Freddie
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:42PM EST (link)Game Over in 2008.
The Dems won’t be able to run as “I’m not George W. Bush” in 2010. Try to keep that in mind, Mitch, when you feel the urge to make the same political mistakes.
I disagree in Part
dld1717 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:32AM EST (link)Look at all people who lost their house seats the past 2 cycles; basically all Republicans in suburbs and split districts. Same for al Senators.
Why are blue states becoming more receptive to electing Republicans is something we should be looking into? Red states still elect Democrats although so what gives?
The answer is *Communications* ... we suck at it.
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:23AM EST (link)The GOP faced a more aggressive Democratic Party (Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emanuel are very very smart men), a very hostile media and an entertainment industry united to bring about our destruction.
Against that we had George W. Bush’s communication skills. And John “The Bipartisan” McCain with his Bipartisan colleagues in the Senate and House.
The problem as I see it is that the party has become so focused on winning states they already have
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:00PM EST (link)It’s why I get so mad with all the talk from the guys who ran for RNC chair bragging about their micro targeting programs…we don’t need to only market conservatism in red states..we need to be targeting rural areas in blue states as well…selling the conservative brand…what get’s me is the fact that there are NO Republicans in the NE. You can’t tell me Republicans can’t win at least a few seats in western and upstate NY, Western PA, Western Mass, Rural NH and VT without having to turn the whole party into a socialist carbon copy of the Democrats!
The problem we have as a party is not a result of to much conservatism…I’m convinced it’s a result of not doing what we say we’ll do, not standing for what we say we stand for, and doing exactly what McConnell says we need to do.
Your analysys has been proven correct according to polls
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:57AM EST (link)Dem turnout by and large didn’t change significantly between 2004 and 2008….turnout for the Repubs however was down.
Run another McCain in the General…and we lose again…McConnell needs a clue!
We elect Republicans to enact policy ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:17AM EST (link)… and if we elect finger-in-the-wind “moderates” and (anti-)Republicans like Lincoln Chafee simply to win majorities, we would have achieved nothing.
Note that we had 55 Senators and a 30 seat House Majority and we couldn’t even make already passed tax cuts permanent or fill judicial vacancies because our “center-left” contingent were more focused on “bipartisanship” and bashing their own party on national television than what they were sent to Congress to do.
The fact is that we have to have 60 GOP votes in the Senate to actually CONTROL it - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:22AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Small quibble Mike
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:06PM EST (link)with the kind of Senators we have and the squish cabal we have there…we’d actually need 70 Republican Senators to control the Senate
No Mike, we *should* not need 60 votes ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:09PM EST (link)A united caucus of 52 Republican Senators, backed by a strong communications arm can pretty much rule the roost in the Upper House.
Here's the problem Old Dominion...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:09AM EST (link)He HAVE run nothing but moderate and centrist Republicans in these regions…or we haven’t ran anyone at all in most instances…and lost….you can’t get more Boderate/Centrist, (Read more Liberal) than Chris Shays has been and he lost big…
so what’s your point?
If the arguement is that we need to stop ceding a huge part of this country to the enemy without a fight then I’m with you…we need to contest every election in every district from LA to NY…..but if you’re arguing that we need to move the entire party leftward as McConnell, McCain, and the rest of the Washington crowd are arguing…then you’re dead wrong…
I gave money to this guy from a suggestion
AthenaDelphi (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:10PM EST (link)of RedState.com.
Great!
Now I feel really screwed.
Is McConnell just using tone and words to
rope-a-dope everyone since he went through
a bruising re-election campaign?
I would have thought that he’d be out
for blood against Reid now that he won.
I would be! Maybe he’s just tired and too old
to have the fire in his belly to fight the fights,
hold the line, take the hits.
Yet, he’s just got 6 more years!
For pity’s sake: Have some testicular fortitude!
A regional approach?
I’m speechless.
Once again we’re being eaten from the inside.
No solidarity. No idealism. No philosophy to
rally around. Just warm bodies with an -R after their names.
I’m depressed.
I gave money to this guy
flicka47 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:47PM EST (link)Are you sure that the bodies are warm? the problem as you suggest is that there is no fire there,just a room temp body,taking up space,basking in his own power, and getting a check.
What the h3*$ does he STAND for???1 If the “leaders” can not articulate what consevatives and/or Reps stand for ,then we are going to have go around them and/or dump them.
It is up to us to be clear what conservative is ,and makes sure that everyone we know understands that.
McConnell you ignorant slut...
Praying (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:23PM EST (link)People in this country need a real choice. The choice for at least 4 years (maybe
has been between brand name liberal and store brand liberal light. There was very little in the way of name brand conservative. Those that tried to be name brand conservative let social issues (abortion, guns, etc.) get in the way of true, fiscal conservancy, and so people voted for the devil they knew instead of the devil they didn’t. If you give people two very well defined (and we already know how well defined the liberal brand is, God help us) they will choose one or the other. If you try to present a candidate in the middle, the majority of the people who are in the middle will go left, and those on the right will stay home. Happened in 2008. Someone has been giving McConnell the Obama Kool-aid, and he needs to go on the wagon or get out of the party. NOW! What a worthless body the senate is!
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
ditto - 555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:27PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
LOLOL
speciallist (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:28PM EST (link)lol
Couldn't have said it better myself.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:31PM EST (link)thanks 'Becker, this means a lot - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:33PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
funny, for more than 4 years I have called for disbanding the Senate
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:34PM EST (link)Too many senators care more about the senate than America.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
AMEN!!
flicka47 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:56PM EST (link)nt
you r my friend, flicka - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:29PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Repeal the 17th Amendment
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:50AM EST (link)And make those Senators elected by the states instead of the people. That would cure a LOT of what ails us in one shot.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Um....maybe you haven't noticed...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:14PM EST (link)those are winning issues for us…and please tell me how the Republican Party has focused on those issues…and spare me the rhetoric…give specific examples…
The problem is they haven’t been conservative on any issues…Fiscal or social….and if some in the squish leadership had their way…we’d have given up on Iraq and the surge in 2006…The idea that Socons are the cause of the fall of Republicans over the last 4 years is a joke and nothing more than elitist libertarian propaganda!
McConnell is correct in one sense.
bk (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:26PM EST (link)If the GOP just agrees with the Democrats on every major issue that would put an end to partisanship in Washington.
pulling a Kowalski
bk (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:29PM EST (link)Leftie peaceniks: End war by disarming and surrendering.
McConnell and his ilk: End partisanship by disarming and surrendering.
I don’t see much difference really. Maybe to parallel Code Pink we could have Code Yellow on the GOP side.
Code Yellow Is An Insult To Cowards...
rcov092 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:37PM EST (link)how about code Chartreuse.
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
Join the RedState Strike Force
Yeah...and Republicans in Washington as well! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:16PM EST (link)McConnell is delusional and wrong
kowalski (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:36PM EST (link)It’s hard to be both delusional and wrong, but as a person who has done it, I can attest that it is possible. And it’s perfectly possible to be delusional and wrong about something that you might have a personal reason to believe is true, except when you understand reality.
On virtually every issue, liberals and conservatives will continue to differ so long as each of them is allowed to walk the Earth:
On taxes
On federalism
On the economy and the role of markets
On civil rights
On religion
On foreign relations
On natural resources
On industry
On war
On abortion
On representative government
On philosophy
On history
On medical policy
On tax policy
On the family
On the role of the public sector
On the role of the private sector
On aesthetics
On religion
On creatures malevolent and benign
Get the idea, Senator?
The simple and blatantly obvious fact that McConnell is either trying to whitewash or cower from is that all of these areas of discussion and opinion and ultimately, policy — and many more, my dear friends — are absolutely going to remain points of contention between not just Conservatives and Liberals, but Liberals and other Liberals and Conservatives and Republicans, and Leftists and Rastafarians, and Republicans and Maoists, and virtually every other group of people you can think of.
We might imagine it could all be homogenized away into some gigantic, pragmatic McConnell Melting Pot where all of these differences would just sink into the bubbly murk, but it’s not going to happen. For as long as we all live, I’m afraid, and for a long time thereafter, we’ll be having these discussions and arguments and real fights about what our priorities are.
That is Democracy in a free society. There is no other way. Even Joe Biden would agree with that.
So frankly, Mitch McConnell should either put up or just shut up, because as a leader he’s useless with statements of the kind he’s making right now, and as someone who is supposed to be a leader of men and women in our society, he’s a joke.
What is going to define history, now and in the future, are the arguments that are made, the positions that are advanced, the reasons and rationale for advancing them, the efforts that were made and the sweat and toil that was expended to move them forward, and what the results and the countereffects, the pushback, and the unintended consequences were. And a whole lot more.
That’s history. That’s what makes the world work. It is larger than us, but it exists because we have these differences of opinion and always will. It’s pitiful for someone like Mitch McConnell to imagine that he can stand here in the first decade of the 21st Century and believe there’s a shortcut. There never has been, and there never will be: in fact, the arguments will only get more complex from here on out.
Goodbye Mitch McConnell. You’re not someone I listen to, or even someone I understand in terms of the way I know the way the world works. It’s time you left office.
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What Kowalski left unsaid, and what 'ski said was AWESOME
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 9:41PM EST (link)That more people from a particular REGION get it, is no cause for discrimination either way. What matters first and last, is WHAT is believed. That Southerners are RIGHT in such disproportionate numbers should because for others to copy what led to such great education in what is true.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
The problem is not the Product.
CarlSchurz (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:00PM EST (link)It is the salesman. Reagan coiuld sell the people anything.
Liberalism has better salesman. Look at Obama. The man is glib, zero empathy and no meat on his ideas. He could sell a pound of beef to a cow.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
actually conservatism is harder to sell - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:08PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Agreed, a Conservative's job is to debunk wishful thinking
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:17PM EST (link)Conservatives: no Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. To create wealth, you must work for it.
Liberals: Yes, Virginia (California, New York, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington, Maine, etc.) there is a Santa Claus. Don’t worry. Be happy.
should've attributed the line about Santa to Thomas Sowell (nt)
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:19PM EST (link)amen Other GC. It helped that the failures of libs was fresh in their minds - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:31PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Reagan was a great salesman.
Josh Painter (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:23PM EST (link)He sold conservatism very successfully. He didn’t just criticize the Dems and their liberal ways, but always showed how their ideas did not work and offered solutions which did work. Went he went negative on them, he injected enough humor into his critique to take the edge off and not sound whiney. And he always ended his argument on a high note by talking about a better future for the country through the adoption of conservative principles.
Some of the issues he dealt with have changed, but the principles remain the same.
- JP
“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)
5555555555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:32PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Reagan was more than just a salesman.
ehosterman (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:32PM EST (link)He was also an educator. He expalined his ideals and defended them in terms anyone could understand. Newt also had those qualities to a lesser extent. Since Newt, you don’t see too many Republicans taking the time to educate. Without education, you have ignorance (Democrats), but I repeat myself.
Actually, conservatism started unravelling after the 1994 GOP win in the House...
conservativemusician Friday, January 30th at 11:26PM EST (link)Many on our side assumed that since the GOP won, everyone “got it” and we stopped articulating what true conservatism means. Rush has spoken to this many times in that the education process never ends. If Bush ends up having a positive legacy for his defense of this country after 9/11, he will have an equally bad one for not being more ideologically conservative and hammering home the conservative message. All we got from his “new tone” was minority status in both houses and the loss of the White House.
Your right. They started thinking they knew what they were doing, and that was thier first mistake.
gekster (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:56PM EST (link)>nt<
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
another problem was in 1994 was low expectations (but also Newt himself as a weak man)
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:02AM EST (link)But, I was a dem in 1994, albeit a conservative dem and I always thought the Contract with America was PUNY. It did not jibe with the idea of a 40 yr revolution.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Don't worry. If you were a Dem in 94, I won't tell anyone.
gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:26AM EST (link)nt
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Its part of my whistlebowing credibility! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:36AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
why would it be harder to sell?
AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:55PM EST (link)This is still a center right country. It isn’t as if a vast majority of people have either radically changed their worldview, or have gotten less apathetic. It is bad enough that the press and the Dems are selling some huge paradigm shift, but you all should know better. I’m having some real mea culpa moments here, I was one of the people who figured Obama would tack center…ummmm UGGGGGH. I guarantee you a bunch of us won’t make that same mistake again. I’m not a fan of Gov. Palin, but she did provide a valuable lesson. Gotta get younger, and have the ability to connect. In terms of the map, where have the demographics changed so much that it is reasonable to say the state has gone from long term red to blue. Colorado maybe, can you think of anywhere else?
Hell is other people – Sartre
human nature is why - liberalism promises a security illusion
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:59PM EST (link)Conservatism relies upon an understanding of history
OR
as in 1980-1992
a fresh memory of the failures of liberalism
The memory was more apparent before the Affluent Society 1776-1929
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
getting it
flicka47 (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:04PM EST (link)Then what we have to do is figure out why more of those people are getting it.
Then we all have to take our show on the road and make sure that everyone we know understands what it is we are talking about. We need to find candidates that understand this,and we need to do it ourselves.
He's Wrong for Another Reason - Sectional/Regonal Parties CAN Work
IJB Friday, January 30th at 10:47PM EST (link)The fact is, both the Republicans and Democrats were “sectional parties” from about, oh, 1856 until, say, 1932 – the Republicans couldn’t break any ground in the South, and the Dems were often hammered in New England, the Midwest, and the far West.
So?! So, what’s wrong with being a “sectional” party?! Nothing!
(For other examples, the Tories in the U.K. and the Conservatives in Canada are virtually sectional/regional parties as well.)
The truth is, to win in New England and California/Washington, this party would have to make far too many compromises to make it worth our while. A true ’50 state’ strategy would destroy this party, and drive true conservatives out of it forever.
Do any of you want our Party to become another ‘patronage’ party like the Democrats?! (I know that’s what Mitch McConnell wants.) Well I DON’T!
If the price for being a ‘principle’ party is that we’re *never* competitive in about 5-10 state (though letting those states go bankrupt may actually change a few tunes in places like CA & NY), and have to instead be a 40-45 state ‘sectional/regional’ party, so be it! I’m more than ready to sign on for that.
McConnell can go **** himself as far as I am concerned.
great points! - the USA is "regional", yet also the Shining City on a Hill-nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:33PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse
AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:44PM EST (link)here, but why would you assume fiscal conservatism won’t appeal in New England and California. Tax rebellions will come. In terms of social conservatism, live by the 10th Amendment.
Hell is other people – Sartre
GREAT point Steve - yes, we can't win the social issues up north now, but YES WE CAN win
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:49PM EST (link)the fiscal arguments and we must try. Look, they often do elect repubs to run their state govt’s for this very reason.
amen bro
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Things are going to be very different in 2010,
AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:08AM EST (link)especially if the Repubs hold their ground against these idiotic bailout/”stimulus” packages. They are already starting to knock Obama’s numbers down a bit. My theory as I’ve stated in other places is, most of your “center” is actually Repub, unless something happens to reallllly turn them off. I also know some of the base isn’t wild about Steele, but he is going to be a good choice, he’s a great communicator and he doesn’t scare people.
Hell is other people – Sartre
Returning to conservative roots is one aspect
antisocial (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:31AM EST (link)and very important. However I think another important aspect that gets ignored is lack of good communicators in the leadership.
It seems like forever since Ronald Reagan communicated conservative ideas effectively.
Ideology alone won’t help. Similarly communicators alone won’t help. We need a combination of both.
Mitch McConnell is the wrong guy because he lacks both.
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
Because Those People Aren't Fiscal Conservatives
IJB Saturday, January 31st at 12:11AM EST (link)It’s been tried. They don’t respond in any meaningful way to fiscal conservatism – they’ve been given enough chances.
New England has been totally corrupted by socialism (and the ‘brain drain’ to other more productive parts of the country). I pretty much feel it’s gone.
You may be right, we'll see.
AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:18AM EST (link)I just think the facts on the ground are gonna be way different in two years. The current stuff is a *DISASTER*. Also remember that Mass did elect Romney for fiscally conservative reasons. The only state I just can’t see being in play is Vermont. Presidential elections aren’t everything, and may not even be the most important thing. You all are gonna end up appreciating the Repub governors more than you could guess.
Hell is other people – Sartre
the midwest, where lib dems have failed utterly, is more fertile ground-nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:18AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
People still have the regional thing
AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:14AM EST (link)wrong. Really, there are very few red or blue states. There are red or blue countys and cities. Western New York as an example is as red as most of Kentucky. Yeah, in the Presidential it is all or nothing, for everything else the important divisions are more local. I know most will disagree, but the larger disaster isn’t Obama, it is the lack of a congress to balance it. Let’s keep that in mind.
Hell is other people – Sartre
Yanno, this just frosts me
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 10:58PM EST (link)Sometimes I seriously believe Potomac fever, especially the Senate variety, does permanent damage to brain cells.
Thing Number One: Let’s look at FACTS. The Rs ran a “reach across the aisle” kinda guy for Prez. He lost. The only time he even resembled a winner was when he picked Palin, but even she couldn’t make him into what he wasn’t.
So — you try something, you lose; and instead of doing something DIFFERENT, you try to do it again??? What the heck kind of sense does that make?
Thing Number Two: Why is it that every time there is the least bit of trouble, we have refight the friggin’ civil war?
I grew up with a bunch of Southern democrats, and trust me, those good ole’ boys were the tightest, whitest old boy network you ever saw. I lived with ‘em and worked with ‘em. Tim Kaine is their spiritual heir; never doubt that. There’s what they say and do to win, and then there is what they talk about at the dinner parties on Monument Avenue or the bar at the Commonwealth Club. So this crap about right-wing republican regionalism is just that — crap.
Thing Number Three is what makes me despair of claiming to be a republican. It’s this “let’s toss the principles so we can win” mentality that rears its ugly head from time to time. NO. I want to win as much as anyone, but I won’t sell out to do so.
If I were willing to do that, I know a party that would welcome me — the democrats.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
55555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:34PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
A favorite move in DC
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 6:42PM EST (link)is to double down on a losing hand.
That seems to be what McConnell wants us to do.
BO is doing much the same with his Cabinet appointees; it’ll just take longer to come out. And he’s certainly doing it with the Porkulation Bill.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Bipartisan/Post Partisan jabber from Senators...
stang (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:06PM EST (link)is code for PROTECTING INCUMBENT SENATORS as they loot the US Treasury! Doesn’t matter from which party!
They have become a fraternity of gas bags who see themselves allied against the Constitution and the (smelly) taxpayers of this country.
They spend their time protecting themselves FROM the Constitution instead of DEFENDING the Constitution as each and every one of them swore, with their hand on the Bible, So help them God, when they took the oath of office.
They are oath breakers and traitors to the cause and country they pretend to represent and should be treated accordingly. Even common criminals don’t take an oath to not rob banks before they actually rob them!
“There ought to be one day – just one – when there is open season on senators.”
Will Rogers
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
Elvis: I got stang - amen bro - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 30th at 11:35PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
What is McConnell suggesting? that we should switch to Democratic Party?
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:14AM EST (link)This is the most irresponsible statement in the history of America.
NO! MY FAMILY AND I WILL DIE AS CONSERVATIVE HARDLINERS!!!!!
Question, McConnell has 6 more years as a Senator -
Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:17AM EST (link)but does he have 6 more years as a leader? Is this something they have to vote on each year, every 2 years, every 6 years?
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin
They could remove him as leader tomorrow
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:25AM EST (link)The fact is that many senators don’t want to be leader
lots of work
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Odd, that someone should say that
jonathanswift (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:57AM EST (link)just as the House passage of a ridiculous, unworkable “stimulus package” causes the markets to drop 200 + points and 11 Democrats, seeing the handwriting on the wall for 2010, join a solid Republican delegation in voting against economic ruin.
Odd that someone should say this as the Obama Administration tries to push another questionable nominee through Congress, further expending rapidly diminishing good will.
Odd that someone would say that as the GOP picked an able and dynamic man as its Committee Chairmen.
Mitch McConnell may have Stockholm Syndrome
katesmith (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:32PM EST (link)He appears mentally unable to differentiate himself from the powerful pull of the Left. I have thought about this at length, and whatever the actual cause, the man needs to seek therapy of some kind. He is not doing the job he was hired to do and is a national embarrassment.