Depending on where you sit, this move could be viewed as an act of sheer genius or of absolute political suicide.
I tend to lean toward the former, while acknowledging that this play could still go very, very wrong.
Here’s why:
With this suggestion that the Presidential campaign be put on hold, and the Friday night foreign policy debate be delayed, John McCain is saying three things:
- Resolving the nation’s current economic crisis is far more important than partisan politics
- He understands and remembers what it is the American people are currently paying him to do: Be in Washington during the Congressional session, serving in his capacity as a U.S. Senator
- (Perhaps the most important) McCain believes he has something valuable – leadership, bipartisanship, ideas, experience, etc. – to offer in the Congressional effort to resolve this crisis
The Obama campaign’s various reactions to this (recall their usual pattern of issuing progressively different responses to any given issue or situation over the course of the following 24-48 hours) will bear close watching.
Nothing Valuable to Offer
Already, the campaign has issued its initial response to McCain, with spokesman Bill Burton saying that Obama is willing to return to Washington “if it would be helpful,” but maintaining that Obama still plans to participate in Friday’s debate.
Look for Revision #1 of this statement to be released sometime today. By qualifying that statement — “Obama will go back to the Senate ‘if it would be helpful‘” — the Democratic nominee’s campaign is admitting that Obama has neither leadership nor valuable ideas to bring to the Congressional effort to deal with this crisis.
John McCain’s announcement that he is temporarily suspending his campaign and heading to Washington sends the clear signal that he believes bipartisan leadership and workable solutions are scarce inside the beltway, and that he believes in his ability to fill those voids.
Obama’s response that he will only go “if it would be helpful” sends the clear signal that he has nothing to offer at all, be it leadership or ideas.
The Masterstroke: Pushing the Foreign Policy Debate to a Later Date with a Larger Audience
Included in McCain’s proposal that the campaigns be temporarily suspended was a request that the debate scheduled for Friday, September 26 be rescheduled to a later date.
If this were to happen, it would be a masterstroke for the McCain campaign.
There is a very good reason the Obama campaign agreed to a debate schedule in which the forum on Foreign Policy was both first (over two months prior to election day) and on a Friday night. Realistic and workable foreign policy is an issue that is far beyond Obama’s experience or understanding; knowing that, it behooved the Democrat’s campaign to get this debate out of the way early and at as low-visibility a time as possible.
With the foreign policy debate out of the way early and the next two topics being far more in his taxpayer-funded-giveaway wheelhouse, Obama stood not only to make up whatever ground he lost in the first forum, but to be able to build on that as the election neared.
Rescheduling the foreign policy debate, if it were to happen, would result in two positives for McCain:
- A clean foreign-policy-oriented debate actually being held.
In the middle of the current economic crisis, a debate held Friday would not stick to foreign policy only, whatever the agreement between the candidates. Like it or not, the elephant in the room would be addressed, and McCain would get even less time than agreed upon to display his vastly superior foreign policy understanding and realism while sharing the stage with his opponent.
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Barack Obama being forced to debate foreign policy on a date far closer to the election, at a time when more people are watching, without two debates remaining in which he can attempt to erase the population’s memory of his performance against the uber-experienced McCain.
Searching for Solutions vs. Politics as Usual
As I mentioned above, by calling for a suspension of campaigning for higher office so that a national crisis can be dealt with, John McCain is signaling that he puts solutions above politics, and that he remembers what the American people are paying him to do.
If he declines this offer, Barack Obama sends the message that he puts his personal campaign for president over any efforts to actually deal with America’s problems (something he already has a track record of doing, as exemplified by his excusing the fact he hasn’t called a single meeting of his Senate subcommittee that oversees NATO efforts in Afghanistan because he “took over the subcommittee at the same time [the] campaign started”).
He also continues to shirk the responsibility he accepted when he ran for, and was elected to, the United States Senate as a representative of the people of Illinois specifically, and of America in general.
Should he accept McCain’s challenge, and not succeed in presenting a plan and getting it passed in Congress, Obama will have undermined his own claims that he is a leader, a unique agent of change, and a politician with the ability to work with Congress to implement the policies America needs to avert crises like the current one.
Further, accepting McCain’s challenge and leaving the campaign trail – and bringing his running mate, Senator Joe Biden, along – would leave just one member of either ticket remaining on the campaign trail: Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee.
How’s that for a symbolic reinforcement of which ticket is solely comprised of Washington insiders, and which is not?
A Lose-Lose for Obama?
This appears to be a lose-lose scenario for Obama, especially if his campaign continues the course they are on: refusing to send the nominee, and sitting Senator, back to Washington because it wouldn’t be “helpful,” while mocking Republican nominee John McCain for a supposed inability to multitask due to his unwillingness to fiddle on a stage with Barack Obama while the financial world burns.
This situation will bear continued watching. It appears, on the surface, to have been a good move for John McCain. However, it still has the potential to go very, very wrong for the Republican in this race and, by default, very right for the Democrat.
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I don't think it could go wrong
PanMetron (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:25PM EST (link)At worst, the Senate resolves things quickly and the debate goes on, but even then McCain has interrupted Obama’s rhythm, gotten inside his head -and- shown hands-on legislative leadership.
If things aren’t resolved by Friday then McCain is taking the high ground and doing real work. Losing 3-4 days of political ads are not going to sink him – I firmly believe that the hardest-hitting ads against Obama are yet to come and it would be too early to release them now anyway.
Also, keep in mind that Obama loses debates (Hillary cleaned his clock regularly even with the media offering him pillows), so anything that ups their importance and compresses their schedule will only highlight Obama’s weakness without a teleprompter.
As I commented on the other thread: best move since he picked Palin.
The only downside
KeyWestConservative (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:33PM EST (link)I can see for McCain is if his trip to Washington is fruitless. Personally, I don’t hold much confidence in the people who caused this problem to find an acceptable solution.
The upside is enormous, however. With all the talk of doom and gloom and an impending depression, if what comes out of Washington does not lead to that then it would be viewed as a success. Both parties will attempt to take credit, of course, but this leaves the MSM in a very precarious position. How do you defend Obama’s decision NOT to be part of the solution when his fellow democrats are on all the talk shows claiming victory. Obama’s absence at the time when his country needed his ‘leadership’ the most will be quite noticeable.
Also, it can be argued that Obama’s unwillingness to go to Washington to do what he gets paid to do rests in his desire to actually see his colleagues in Washington FAIL in their attempts to fix the present problem.
Bottom line: The potential upside for McCain is much greater than for Obama; unless Washington fails.
Obama covered on cnbc said he and Mac were crafting joint statement
Alberta (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:33PM EST (link)further (It was a news conference Im sure others saw) Obama said he wanted to speak on the financial things plus have the debate because to paraphrase Presidents can do two things at once.
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My e-mail to the McCain campaign
c17wife (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:34PM EST (link)I just sent them my two cents worth.
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Please go to the debate if Obama won’t call it off. Go to Washington on Thursday and Friday morning. Then head to Oxford and hand Obama his ass.
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Anxiety
Grazni Wednesday, September 24th at 4:38PM EST (link)I hope that Emmanuel is right, but I have some real anxiety. For the same reason that presidential candidates should steer clear of a natural disaster so the rescue work can be done, presidential candidates should steer clear of true crises in Congress for fear of slowing down the bureaucratic machine. (Unless there is true gridlock, and it’s not clear to me that there is true gridlock at this point.)
Tend to think it's a bad idea...
txaggies911 Wednesday, September 24th at 4:41PM EST (link)SUSA did a poll on this:
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportUC.aspx?g=54d651a7-a62b-4420-bb32-9dd6b2df8c02
They seemed to come to the conclusion that Americans are not in favor of this move. Take it for what it is — a quick poll taken immediately after the announcement — but the initial reactions are not good for what McCain is trying to do.
I would tend to think that it’s absolutely KEY that we hear debate on how the candidates plan to handle this…so in that light, I’d like to keep the debates but refocus on domestic issues instead of foreign policy at least for the first one.
Uh...Grazni?
Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:43PM EST (link)How do you rationalize that if the two nominees are current members of Congress?
eh?
JE
Please not political suicide
ColoradoNana Wednesday, September 24th at 4:45PM EST (link)**I hope that Sen. McCain knows what he’s doing!! I sounded to me like Obama just said that Sen. McCain can’t do more than one thing at a time. I took great offense to that remark. I just hope that this isn’t the beginning of the end for our candidate. The Obama spokesperson on Fox news just said that this was a “stunt” by McCain because he isn’t ready or capable to debate. He was praising Obama for staying on the campaign trail and saying what a great leader he is!! I have never been more scared of losing the election as I am right now!!
I am so afraid of Obama as a president, Ireland my be my next home before Jan 20th if he gets in.
Awfully Risky
DavidSage (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:55PM EST (link)It could work to McCain’s benefit, looking like the responsible statesman.
When the country is a crisis, it’s “Country First”, which ties in with his overall campaign theme. Obama would then look like just another politician by demanding the campaign continue.
However, you never want to look like you’re “ducking” the debate, especially when you’re coming from a position of weakness. If that’s how Obama spins it, that the “old man can’t take the heat”, etc., it could be bad. Then again, it may set expectations even higher for Obama in the debate.
What I’m worried about is if McCain goes to Washington and tries to strong arm Republicans in Congress to pass this bailout. Even if you can make the case that economically the bailout is necessary, it’s going to be politically unpopular, especially if it’s a Republican pushing it. Voters don’t like the idea of taxpayers footing the bill for Wall Street’s incompetence.
Let’s be honest here, this is political strategery, which is fine, but McCain being in D.C. will have very little to do with this bailout.
I just don’t want McCain looking like he’s afraid to debate Obama, which is how I’m afraid the very partisan media will portray it.
Rationalizing
Grazni Wednesday, September 24th at 4:56PM EST (link)I rationalize it this way: right now the Senate Committee is doing the work on the bill. I can only see a joint session of congress presided over by the President as slowing down the process.
I agree that McCain has a role to play as a Congressman. He can participate in the discussion when the bill hits the Senate Floor and vote when a vote comes. But calling for a joint session of congress and bringing the presidential campaign into congress could slow down the response to a real live economic meltdown.
Honestly I’m more concerned with the future of the bailout plan here than I am with how this helps or hurts McCain’s campaign.
get a grip
Pentagon16 (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:57PM EST (link)has McCain actually stated he would pull his ads off of the TV screens when the airtime has already been purchased?!!
you mean an Obama spokesman says this will help Obama?!! Wow that is totally shocking!!
at the most this takes him off the campaign trail through next week- letting Palin continue to packed rallies. it is not like the election hinges on four more McCain events!
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In Schmidt I Trust; McCain Conferred With Hillary
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 4:59PM EST (link)While I’m not %100 sold on McCain. I do beleive in Steve. Schmidt.
The media will try to make McCain look like a cynic or a coward, as if he is running from the polls. The ruth is that McCain made this decision yesterday after consulting with members of the Hill including Hillary Clinton. Yes, that Hillary Clinton.
Again, the conservative blogosphere has to unite here. Don’t be skeptical. It’s what the MSM wants
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/24/mccainsaidesgivethetick_to.html
Just when I think I couldn't possibly
c17wife (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:01PM EST (link)hate Barack Obama or the MSM more, they go and surprise me again.
I am literally holding my breath here. Teetering on asking for Prozac, Xanac, or something at my doc’s appt on Friday.
McCain needs to go to WA. Lou Dobbs, just this AM (for me anyway) chastized BOTH of them for not going to WA.
That being said, McCain needs to be at that debate if Barack won’t postpone. The notion that he isn’t prepared or is just too afraid to debate Obama (as the MSM is screeching at the top of their lungs) on FP is just laughable.
All y’all praying people, now would be a good time for such things. Barack must not win this!!!
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Heck, three, really.
Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:02PM EST (link)Although I don’t think that we really need Biden for this one.
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Not a Lou Dobbs fan, but
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:08PM EST (link)he has his audience and his sway. If he gets behid McCain, it will hel pwith union voters in OH, PA, and MI
Not a Lou Dobbs fan, but
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:09PM EST (link)he has his audience and his sway. If he gets behid McCain, it will hel pwith union voters in OH, PA, and MI
Free Market Republican?
BuddyHolly Wednesday, September 24th at 5:09PM EST (link)Yep, this is really going to get me excited about the GOP ticket. Let’s borrow and spend a teradollar bailing out companies that invested foolishly and issued CDOs that they can’t backup.
It’s sooo importatant to the free market and limited government principles that the Republican Party stands for.
oh yeah!!
David Hinz (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:10PM EST (link)it is so easy to forget that Biden is in Congress — and that he is campaigning for… uhh, what is it he is campaigning for?
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Suspension...
jcincy Wednesday, September 24th at 5:10PM EST (link)Suspending the campaign…
- Allows McCain to conserve resources
- Gives him the headlines
- Puts Obama into reactive mode
. Start counting the number of various reactions from the Obama camp.
. Biden will pronounce a contrary position to the official campaign position before this all said and done.
- A debate this far out is almost meaningless
Another bold move by John McCain. And why not? He’s been fighting an uphill battle for more than a year. He’s been part of party that at the pinnacle of it’s power betrayed it’s principles. His president has been under assault for almost 5 of the last 7 years. The odds of winning the White House under these conditions are immense… unless you make bold moves.
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Downside, schmownside
Steve Maley (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:11PM EST (link)We need a president who would rather lose an election than lose a war.
McCain shows by his actions that those aren’t “just words”, to coin a phrase.
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You never know
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:12PM EST (link)There might be a need for a plagiarist in the final version of the bill.
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Take McCain at his word..its not politics
Samsara (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:12PM EST (link)McCain is not going to Washington as part of some political master plan. He is going to Washington because the Republicans in Congress have openly rebelled against the bailout package, and there is a massive power vacuum where President Bush once stood.
McCain gave these rebels cover when he came out with his own list of “I wont vote for it unless” conditions. Now someone has to round up enough Republican votes to save the Republic and the Republican Party.
Take it step by step. If McCain doesn’t fill the void and enforce some discipline then:
(This is part of the problem, House Republicans feel cut out of the loop by their own administration, and sending Dick Cheney isn’t gona cut it)
(Too pessimistic? Do you think Paulson, Cheney, and Bush are pushing this plan the fun of it?)
If all this is to be avoided, McCain has to get Republicans in the House and Senate to buy into his populist, no golden parachute, more oversight and regulation bailout proposal. This is a tall order, but a snarling John McCain coming hot from the campaign trail will certainly turn more heads on Capital Hill than anyone in the Administration.
Love or hate the bailout, I think McCain’s intentions are clear. He is doing this to trying to save the country from great suffering, and the only way he can do that is by gaining the confidence of fellow Republicans.
I Vote For Political Suicide
olderthangandalf Wednesday, September 24th at 5:14PM EST (link)It looks, feels, smells like a stunt, not a serious effort to calm things down in DC.
Put differently, it looks for all the world like an effort to get political benefit from the economic crisis, rather than an effort to maximize the chance that it can be solved.
Add to that Obama’s contacting McCain so the two could present a common front on this, which would have tended to depoliticize it. To then go public with this plan without first responding to Obama – looks bad. Looks like an effort to steal a march politically when the future of the world is at stake.
I think McCain is losing it. I really do. Given how screwed we are right now, I don’t want a lone gunman maverick riding into the sunset all by himself; I want a calm and sensible team player who helps us put things back together. That maybe could be McCain, given his experience and inherent gravitas, but it seems like he or someone in his campaign has decided that what we really want in a President is unpredictability and stuntsmanship.
Now, if McCain can kill the deal that’s circulating, and come up with something radically different that’s good for the taxpayer – I’ll eat my words. If he just gives his belated blessing to the revised Paulson plan that’s circulating on the Hill and throughout the internet – he’s toast. If, worst of all worlds, he gums up the works and the world financial markets melt down per the predictions of Bernanke and Paulson (and I’m a registered skeptic on that happening), he, his children, our party, anyone whose name starts with Mc – all screwed beyond redemption for a generation.
Absolutely
cmw (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:14PM EST (link)My first thoughts exactly. Either Obama “follows” McCain to Washington and does no better than McCain politically in this time of crisis (and arguably does worse voting “present”), or he stays in seclusion, doing Debate Camp. And then McCain shows up for the debate, both with greater experience on foreign policy as well as expectations lowered due to his leadership on the financial issue. And he can throw in a few jabs to the effect of “pulling him away from what he nation is focused on right now” to argue back and forth about an area where Americans’ widely recognize McCain has the edge.
I like it, and I think it’s going to work out in his favor 3-4 days down the road. I sure hope so.
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Mitt is going to fly to DC also...it will be just like Old times!
speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:15PM EST (link)Hope McCain is a Chess Player
Shaggy_Dog (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:20PM EST (link)He had to know that there was absolutely no way Obama would accept his suggestion to postpone the debate- it would have made Obama look like his poodle.
So assume McCain had to know that Obama would insist on having the debate as scheduled and has already prepared his next move. What is McCain’s plan to respond to Obama’s insistence on keeping the debate as planned?
I don’t think he can just blow it off, maybe he can jet out there directly from DC Friday night, show up right before, jet back to DC right after if need be.
McCain just threw an interception
renegade Wednesday, September 24th at 5:22PM EST (link)Albeit the intent is genuinly honorable, the execution is flawed.
When in battle, never lay down your arms in hoping your enemy will do the same. He will kill you. McCain could have had the best of both worlds, go to DC, work on the bailout, keep the ads humming backing up his message of country first, while sending out Palin the pit bull hammering Obama that while the messiah talks the talk McCain walks the walk.
McCain just threw an interception with the clock winding down late in the 4th quarter.
a few things here
mike_volpe (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:23PM EST (link)whether you like McCain or not, and I do, you know full well that he did this totally outside of any political calculation. You all know full well that in times of crisis McCain doesn’t make political calculations.
Second, in all my years of following politics, I can’t remember a more political dumb, I wish I could think of a better word, move than what Obama just did. To admit that he has no role to play in crafting such important legislation is the deathknell in his campaign. I believe the campaign is for all intents and purposes over. Barack Obama has just committed political suicide.
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YouAreKillingIndependentGeorge Wednesday, September 24th at 5:26PM EST (link)I think that he should send Palin in his place. If Hillary cleaned his clock in the debates, I’m sure that Sarah will also kick his a$$.
Just curious
RJD (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:27PM EST (link)but, if McCain doesn’t show up for the debate, and Obama is then “interviewed,” if the event would even go forward, that would mean McCain would have to be afforded airtime later on because of some fair-use or balance (can’t think of the term).
This could turn into another Saddleback – something Obama would not want.
Funny thing about leaders
wiseprince (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:28PM EST (link)They don’t follow the polls.
I take you back to the primaries when McCain did something very similar. He pushed very hard for more troops while the vast majority of the country wanted to bring the troops home. McCain, according to the media, was dead in the water and just committed political suicide. Now the debate is how well did the surge worked and it has become a net positive. This fits into the “country first” theme of the campaign and as Bill Clinton really said on the view Don’t bet against America. Obama is betting, in my opinion, against the ability of the congress to get things done. McCain is betting that something will get done and by making a big deal about his going back to get something done he will be able to take a lot of the credit for anything positive that comes out of this.
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Southpaw75 (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:30PM EST (link)Once this is all said and done, his initial reaction of “we would just be in the way and be of no help” is going to make a great campaign ad.
Oh please McCain looks like someone who gives a crap and Obama looks like...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:30PM EST (link)a politician….just like McCain took away the CHANGE mantra with REFORM he will take away the above it all from Obama with STATESMENSHIP….Obama is a joke….well…uh uh uh…I called him…and uh uh uh….I thought we were going to uh uh uh make a joint statement….talk about an interception…uh uh you renegade would be wrong on the the team that threw it!
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Matt Genk (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:30PM EST (link)…we’ve all been at work. Who do you think were the taxpayers (cough, cough, cough) would have been polled? Think about it. Deep breath in… and exhale. Ok? Feeling better?
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” – George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, 1946
third alternative...
David Hinz (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:32PM EST (link)perhaps he did it because it is what is right for the country at this moment in time, regardless of the political consequences…
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Mike, I sure hope you're right!
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:32PM EST (link)I don’t think the media will let ANYTHING kill Obama’s campaign.
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Scared? Perhaps even concerned?
RedFox84 Wednesday, September 24th at 5:36PM EST (link)You’re scared because an Obama flak said that is was a stunt? Maybe you shouldn’t be listening to Obama’s own people if you want to be encouraged.
If you listen to Obama’s people, there’s a low probability you’ll last longer than, say, 1 hour and 18 minutes around here.
OMG, Mike, I hope you are right.
c17wife (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:36PM EST (link)I want to like this maverick action, but I just can’t take a breath right now. Just a few little gasps here and there.
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:37PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:37PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:37PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:39PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:39PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:39PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Newy Chimes In With Force
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:40PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Just think of the...
Matt Genk (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:40PM EST (link)…carbon footprint that McCain would leave flying from DC to Alabama, back to DC. Oh no! Global warm… er, climate change! Seriously, John should just stay in Washington and jam his plan (fingers crossed behind my back that it is based in conservative principles) down the throats of all congressmen; lib, republican, independent, and socialist.
Get ‘er done, John! Let Sarah go out there and chew em up!
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” – George Orwell, Politics and the English Language, 1946
Newt Chimes In
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:40PM EST (link)Today john McCain showed what it meant to put country first.
He put everything on the line to try to put together a bipartisan sizable economic package to replace the failed Paulson bailout package.
Newt:
“This is the greatest single act of responsibility ever taken by a presidential candidate and rivals President Eisenhower saying, ‘I will go to Korea.’
Every House and Senate Republican should join him in seeking the best ideas and the best solutions from across the country.
This is the day the McCain-reform Republican Party began to truly emerge as a movement which puts country first, solutions first, and big change first.”
Mccain is dealing with a crisis
wiseprince (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:42PM EST (link)We need a backup.
Gov. Sarah Palin, are you ready to take over while McCain is temporarily incapacitated? Are you ready on day one.
Please debate Barack Obama
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Hook, line and sinker
madtrapper (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:56PM EST (link)Obama took the bait.
McCain gave Obama the chance to put his money where his mouth is.
Reach across party lines for the good of America.
Put politics aside during a huge crisis.
Show the people your the leader you say you are.
Well, Obama scored an F.
The largest crisis in recent history and Obama pretty much said politics must go on as usual, who cares about the state of the union, lets debate!
He is still a member of Congress and he should be on Capital hill doing what he was elected to do!! How in hell can he lead the free world when he is nowhere to be found?
I hope this proves to everyone once and for all that he is no leader, national crisis and he tucks tail and depends on his advisors to think for him.
Obama = me and my campaign first.
McCain = country and the people first.
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QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:56PM EST (link)What color is your Astroturf?
Welcome to Redstate BuddyHolly!
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 5:58PM EST (link)How green is your Astroturf?
This could be the end...
Pleases Wednesday, September 24th at 6:00PM EST (link)I was wondering who would pull this move first. I always thought it was risky, but could work. I must admit, cancelling the debate is a dumb move for Mccain. America wants to hear from its leaders, not retreat to the Hill. I dont see how this aspect of the plan will work…
He can't send Palin
olderthangandalf Wednesday, September 24th at 6:03PM EST (link)It’s got to be Presidential candidate to Presidential candidate.
It is true that McCain could debate foreign policy with no preparation and be fine. It also is true that Obama has done poorly in all the debates so far. If the debate goes forward, with expectations for McCain lowered by his time in DC, it could set him up for big bump from the debates if he outdoes Obama.
Buddy, do you have any idea what will happen if the government doesn't do something?
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:14PM EST (link)Usually, you guys spout off your “principles” with no idea of the repercussions. It’s real easy to have big huevos when you’re not the one taking responsibilities for the outcome. None of us are happy about this.
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You have to let us know about these people, folks.
Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:21PM EST (link)Don’t just yell; tell us.
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How can anyone seriously believe
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:22PM EST (link)that John McCain is afraid to debate Obama about National Defense and the War on Terror?
That’s his strongest suit, and everyone knows it. Even BlueBrains and Obots get that.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Oh, and Jason?
Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:24PM EST (link)Stick to your own darn elections, eh?
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I Think It Would be Suicide for the McCain Campaign
MichiganLibertarian Wednesday, September 24th at 6:28PM EST (link)As soon as I heard the announcement, my first thought was that McCain was indicating he couldn’t handle more than one issue at a time. That he couldn’t prep for the debate and have to think about economics at the same time. Then I saw the Drudge note about Letterman. I think McCain will get hammered for this — the late night comics, SNL, etc. are going to have a blast with this. And you may not care what they talk about on those shows, but the 18 – 39 demographic gets their news and opinions from those shows. McCain doesn’t connect well with younger voters to start with, he can’t afford this.
P.S.
I like McCain. I like it when he stands up for what he believes even when I disagree with him. I don’t like seeing him play games and this seems like a game to me.
Liberty = Libertarians
Checkmate....
Tony253 Wednesday, September 24th at 6:35PM EST (link)This is McCain at his best…Being a leader and schooling the eager, ambitious upstart in the art of keeping your opponent off balance. Obama hesitated (again) about which side of the buyout to come down on. McCain was against the buyout early in the process.
McCain is making the Dems think he’s not ready or capable of debating “The One” by putting country first (as usual). He’s using the rope-a-dope to lower expectations and make the Dems overconfident. He might even act like he’s skipping the debate then show up, out of the blue – It would make for great stagecraft and sucker the press into playing “Wheres McCain” for an entire day (ignoring Obama which really irritates him). Make no mistake, Mac has never avoided a good fight and he’ll be there ready to rumble on Friday.
They were not voting for him anyway and why would you think they were?
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:41PM EST (link)ANYONE who watches Olbermann is not voting McCain and there are plenty of young voting conservatives I have two fine young men of my own….let them have at it.
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Clinton Global Warming Initiative?
Yil Wednesday, September 24th at 6:46PM EST (link)I would be far more impressed if McCain didn’t effectively say: I’m postponing Friday’s debate so I can go to DC to try and get something passed by Friday so we can still have our debate that evening but uh I can’t go tonight because I’ve got this Clinton Global Warming thing to attend tomorrow. He’s still going according to Mark Levin over an NRO.
Does that makes sense? He wants it passed as soon as possible, is willing to cancel a national debate on the chance it won’t pass when he says he want it done by, but won’t skip Clinton’s Global Warming thing tomorrow to get to DC tonight and start working? I’m sorry, but WTF. At least be consistent. How can I not interpret that to mean attending that meeting trumps the economic crisis that McCain is will to suspend campaigning and a national debate for. Especially since it happens tomorrow when he’s hoping to have this thing passed by Friday.
All he had to do was cancel tomorrow’s appearance to not look like a fool and a politician. I presume somebody is telling him now that the optics look bad but if his plane isn’t on the way to DC in a few hours this will look worse tomorrow when people figure out where he is.
Ready to serve on day one...
YouAreKillingIndependentGeorge Wednesday, September 24th at 6:47PM EST (link)But sending Palin will show the nation exactly how strong this TEAM is. Can you imagine Obama sending Biden in his place?
Shades of '48
BurkeanBadger (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 6:48PM EST (link)Many of you are history buffs, so I apologize if this is review for you.
In 1946, the Republican Party won control of both houses of Congress after 14 years of Democratic domination. President Truman had low approval ratings and appeared weak. He was old, he had a reputation for being angry and losing his temper (sound familiar?) The GOP, along with the media, were convinced that they would obliterate Truman in 1948.
Many Democrats were lukewarm about Truman and he faced schisms in his own party, losing many on the left to Henry Wallace and Southern “Dixiecrats” to Strom Thurmond. The GOP nominated a much younger man in Thomas Dewey who beat the mantra of bringing change to Washington. The media almost unanimously declared Truman DOA going into the fall campaign.
And then, Truman made an unexpected move. After the GOP Convention, he called Congress into special session; he challenged them to enact some of the promises they made at their convention. The GOP Congressional leaders failed to respond, preferring to wait until Dewey took office (again, it was a given). Dewey himself remained aloof. Truman then labeled Congress “Do Nothing” and ran a boisterous fall campaign against them. Truman won comfortably, shocking the media and the Republicans; an upset political junkies still wax about today.
What McCain did today seems awfully similar to Truman’s move. There are contextual differences, of course. McCain is not the incumbent and Obama is no Tom Dewey (who had no personality and inspired virtually no one). Nevertheless, I can see where this is going. If McCain plays this move well and if Obama reacts as he has so far (giving a bunch of indecisive comments before finally responding), I firmly believe that McCain will finally have a clear advantage.
Consider the imagery of today. McCain says “Let’s work together on this problem, now”. Obama says “No, let’s have a debate first”. The former is an act of a leader; the latter is an act of a candidate. The former is trying to “do”; the latter wants more “talk”. This dichotomy might not matter terribly much if Obama had a long record of legislative accomplishment under his belt. But, McCain has been fairly successful in framing him as not much but soaring speeches. Today’s events only underscore this framing.
At worst, the voters won’t respond at all. McCain loses nothing. Few swing voters will care if a largely canned debate is postponed (or even canceled); there are two more on the horizon as it is. At best, this strategy might, just might, make McCain the 44th President.
Good job, Mac. Whatever you’re paying Steve Schmidt, double it.
I Wasn't Thinking about Olbermann
MichiganLibertarian Wednesday, September 24th at 6:55PM EST (link)I was thinking about Letterman, Craig Ferguson, Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc. I am an adjunct at a big university and they all seem to get their news from these guys. They don’t seem to watch any cable news shows.
And I know that a lot of college kids like Obama, but I also know that a whole lot of them don’t know who to vote for yet. But they see this as an important election and do plan to vote. The most universal comment I hear from them about McCain was that he is old. They don’t seem to have any idea what his or Obama’s actual positions are on most topics.
Liberty = Libertarians
A two-fer
Robert1 Wednesday, September 24th at 6:57PM EST (link)Boys, I don’t see too much downside here, since McCain was sliding in the polls anyway. I think his motives are sincere; after all, we are paying him to be a US Senator. But netting it out politically, I could see McCain helping come up with some type of compromise bailout, then go down to the debate and absolutely cleaningg Barry’s clock. Obama – “just call me if you need me.” A Hall of Fame political ad from the 2008 campaign.
I Wasn't Thinking about Olbermann
MichiganLibertarian Wednesday, September 24th at 6:58PM EST (link)I was thinking about Letterman, Craig Ferguson, Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc. I am an adjunct at a big university and they all seem to get their news from these guys. They don’t seem to watch any cable news shows.
And I know that a lot of college kids like Obama, but I also know that a whole lot of them don’t know who to vote for yet. But they see this as an important election and do plan to vote. The most universal comment I hear from them about McCain was that he is old. They don’t seem to have any idea what his or Obama’s actual positions are on most topics.
Liberty = Libertarians
I've as good a guess the interventionists do
BuddyHolly Wednesday, September 24th at 7:03PM EST (link)If the government lets the issuers of SIVs and CDOs stew in their own juices, one of two things happens.
Other capitalists buy them out at fire sale prices and make those vehicles good.
Upside – no taxpayer money bailing out private businesses, people who bought those securities get payed.
Downside – Credit get’s tight for two to three years while this is digested. Stockholders of the firms lose their investment. The executives responsible for issueing paper they couldn’t backup lose a ton of money and their reputation. Maybe that last should go on the upside.
or
Nobody comes to the rescue of some of the firms and they go belly up.
Downside – Holders of their paper get 50-70% of their principal back. Stockholders lose their investment. Credit is temporarily (2-3 years) tight and interst rates rise some. Acrosss the board stocks go down (10-25%)
Upside – These investors are eternally leery of complicated investment vehicles they don’t understand. Wall Street gets more conservative about investing in bubbles. The message that bailouts are no longer going to happen gets sent loud and clear.
Don’t forget, the big 2.5 are waiting in the wings for their turn at the trough.
I think I understand, but ...
Leverkuhn (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:06PM EST (link)I think I understand why McCain is doing this, but I do have reservations. McCain is doing this for the same reason that he does almost everything else in his professional life. His own rigid concept of honor (service to country, above all else) requires that he sacrifice his own interests for the sake of the country. When Harry Reid suggested that a deal would be impossible without McCain’s support, he probably didn’t mean that McCain should drop everything and come back to Washington to help craft a compromise.
But that’s how McCain took it. In his mind, he couldn’t support a compromise plan if he didn’t participate in putting it together. And if Reid says that no compromise is possible without his support, well then in McCain’s mind that means he has to come back. He has to do that for the good of the country. Once you frame the question in those terms there is only one possible course of action for John McCain.
That said, it probably would have been enough for McCain to simply endorse whatever bailout package the Democrats in Congress and the Bush Administration put together. I doubt either the White House or the Democratic Leadership expected Senator McCain to make this move, and they probably don’t know how to react to it. Could his presence help move a bailout package through Congress? Yes, since it would put the Republican nominee’s stamp of approval on any compromise plan. In that case, McCain could benefit from being seen as a competent deal-maker.
Could it backfire? Absolutely, because the very idea of a bailout seems very unpopular with Republicans in Congress right now, and the GOP base in general. It could cause trouble between McCain and his base that the Palin pick had ameliorated up to this point. Moreover, having suspended his campaign it will be very hard for John McCain to justify re-starting it until a bailout package has been put together. If Reid and company wanted to do so (and I’m not sure they’ve even thought of this yet) they could keep John McCain in Washington and off the campaign trail for as long as they want simply by dragging their feet on the negotiations. In the meantime, Barack Obama has pointedly not suspended his campaign, which means that McCain has ceded the airwaves, the speaking circuit, and all the campaign momentum to his opponent. That’s a huge advantage unless the public decides that Obama is taking advantage of bad situation and shirking his senatorial duties. Right now, they don’t appear to be of that opinion.
“Senator Joe Biden is … a man so full of cr*p his speeches bear an awful resemblance to twenty minutes of flatulence preceded by ‘Good evening ladies and gentlemen,’ and followed by ‘God bless America.’”
- Leverkuhn
Why do you presume to know Senator McCain's mind?
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:12PM EST (link)I think this will have been a brilliant move by Senator McCain as long as he deals with it with his conservative hat on. He needs to say emergency situations demand sound, thoughtful action. Then he needs to use a bully pulpit to demand that our business killing corporate tax rate be cut to 12% to compete with the serious capitalistic nations of the world. He needs to stay away from knee jerk populism in all cases with this and give the common sense solution that will mitigate the current crisis, i.e. more capitalism. If he dwells in the world of “fairness”, the move he’s just made will be political suicide. Senator McCain, strike while the iron is hot, demand the corporate tax cuts. Explain the fact that corporations don’t really pay taxes anyway, they just pass their costs on to us through higher prices and fewer jobs. The window for making this demand is limited and needs to be done ASAP.
Tim Schieferecke
Another Brilliant Fighter Pilot Move
buckeye (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:24PM EST (link)As always, fighter pilot moves are risky but this one is brilliant. Obama has to cram for the Friday exam since he knows nothing on foreign policy. So it’s either spend three days at Debate Camp and be AWOL in DC while McCain leads or head to DC and look stupid and of no use in the place he’s actually worked all of a 142 days while he can’t get his homework done.
Obama’s painted into a corner on this one. I’m surprised he didn’t jump at the chance to push the test out a week and at least be able to show up in Washington and lead the Dems knowing he’s got more time to study later.
“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” – Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
Astroturf in Overdrive tonight...
Tennyson (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:25PM EST (link)Is it just me?
Or is there some Astroturfing working online in EPIC proportions tonight?
Redstate Editors -can you guys do some stats on all of the new trolls and their IPs for today? I think it would be instructive to see how many dozens of Obama-Brownshirts are registering right now to try to turn public and conservative opinion on McCain’s move.
I really think something is going on here judging by the parroting of talking points and spin in the comments on most sites – Politico, ABC, Hotair, NRO’s board, etc.
Let’s track these guys and explode this scam…
“The great thing about history is that there is always more of it”
Astroturf?
BuddyHolly Wednesday, September 24th at 7:27PM EST (link)Plaid. A tasteful tartan plaid.
I’m a NooB and completely unaware of this insider joke.
Will Do Moe, but...
Putter (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:28PM EST (link)we need your help. I suspect the contact form is being hammered by trolls. I would appreciate it if you would shoot me an e-mail informing me, and others with some tenure, of the e-mail addresses of the moderators. With the troll problem, we need the back channels sometimes.
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…
If I needed more reason...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:33PM EST (link)to like this, I played both McCain and Obama’s clips in my class this evening, which is full of Kos Kids. Every one of them, to a T, bought the Obama lines in full. Asking why McCain can’t multitask or do things from the road like Obama is. Of course they called McCain “scared” about the debates too. Good to see their kool-aid is still strong. Trust me, I always have an open discussion with them, but the partisan blinders are in full force, even more so than they were when I taught 4 years ago (which was my first presidential campaign as an instructor).
Overall, I’m worried about this move… but I like it. The worry is about the spin control. I think the past few weeks of “he’s mean and lying” really permeated the discussion, and cost McCain even prior to the economic crisis taking center stage. I don’t think McCain’s team handled any of the backlash versus, for instance, the sex ed ad very well. I think the media will ultimately continue their M.O. by spitting Obama’s talking points.
This move must work – I.E. a resolution must come from it, and it needs to be something McCain can/will campaign with. That will be the true demonstration of leadership, and “country first”. He needed to grab the ball with this issue, and this unprecedented move can do that, if the next moves i this chess match are played correctly.
The debate must go on, though a move to economic matters seems prudent, hold the foreign policy until later. If it comes to it, having McCain on via satellite might make sense?
Unlike my students, I was not impressed with Obama’s response, but what else could he say really? I truly hope his “call me if you need me” line comes back to haunt him.
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
So It's Be A Serf And Pay Up Or Else?
buckeye (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:38PM EST (link)I’d rather be free and broke than a serf any day. A man that believes in the integrity of economic liberty isn’t afraid rise from the ashes like a Phoenix. That’s not principle, it’s dignity.
“Honor is self-esteem made visible in action.” – Ayn Rand, West Point, 1974
Especially since things really quieted down when that astroturf new first hit!
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:43PM EST (link)n/t
Obama probably could help more with the economic situation, but he'd probably just vote "present" on everything, anyway (nt)
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:45PM EST (link)Putter - LOVE your quote!
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:46PM EST (link)One of my friends came up with a similar one:
Friends help you move – real friends help you move AGAIN!
I disagree, McCain has a responsibility to do all that he can to make sure this bill does not end up with a bunch of earmarks
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:51PM EST (link)like adding the no drilling, or paying for people’s credit cards, car loans and school loans. Or any of the other psychotic things the Dems want to tack on to this thing.
He needs to name names if that crap starts happening.
If that's where they get their news now, then it won't matter
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 7:55PM EST (link)They weren’t McCain people, nor were they undecided.
Battle Tactics
jcincy Wednesday, September 24th at 8:18PM EST (link)“When in battle, never lay down your arms in hoping your enemy will do the same.”
McCain is not laying down his arms, he’s using gorilla tactics. You don’t attack an enemy head on if you don’t have massively superior forces. You outflank him. You keep him guessing.
The old vet appears to be much more agile than his basketball playing counterpart.
Who’s the candidate that will debate ‘anytime, anywhere’ but not in townhall meetings and obviously not in the Senate at a time of ‘crisis’?
Obama as always, wants to stay clear of going on the record for anything. That way his vote won’t be “taken out of context”.
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” — John Jay
THIS is why McCain must go to Washington
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 8:21PM EST (link)to keep the Dems filthy socialistic hands off this bill:
Excellent article from Big Lizard:
Letterman clip
GiantIdiot Wednesday, September 24th at 8:28PM EST (link)Letterman’s opening is on youtube and I could not bring myself to watch it all so I skipped to see who he had on instead…Keith Olbermann. Yeah he is going to bring some objectivity to what has gone on today.
One other thought...
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 8:54PM EST (link)So McCain is back in DC Thursday and most of Friday working on the bill and Congress takes its inevitable recess for the weekend. What would happen if someone with a private, high priority jet, and maybe a helicopter to boot were to make them available so that McCain could still appear at the debate because at the insistence of Obama and the MSM, the country demanded it?
McCain is right to attend to this worthy crisis
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 9:03PM EST (link)This is potentially more important even than the election.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
What's there to lose?
BuckeyesforMcCainPalin (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 9:17PM EST (link)Really? McCain was already losing, and the trend was against him.
Might as well try something different, go down swinging.
McCain YES-Congress NO
mymantha Wednesday, September 24th at 9:19PM EST (link)I commend Seantor McCain for suspending his campaign to address the crisis this country is facing. Three senators are running for office, 3 senators who were elected and took oaths to represent the people. This is another demonstration of McCain being able to make the difficult decision to do what is right because it is the right thing to do.
However my confidence in Congress to find a satisfactory resolution to this crisis is best demonstrated in the saying “the fox is watching the hen house”. Can Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, Harry Reid truly put first the welfare of the country (not the welfare of politicians, democrats and republicans)?
I am skeptical.
Obama's Worried
LostSoul Wednesday, September 24th at 9:24PM EST (link)Obam’s worried because he has so many of the people directly responsible for causing this crisis working for him and helping his campaign. So he’s worried that if he shows up it will be pointed out in front of all the major news media and they won’t be able to cover for him anymore like they have been.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1472311&start=61&CurrentPageiurl=http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/H5tZc8oH–o/default.jpg
Obama's Worried
LostSoul Wednesday, September 24th at 9:33PM EST (link)Obam’s worried because he has so many of the people directly responsible for causing this crisis working for him and helping his campaign. So he’s worried that if he shows up it will be pointed out in front of all the major news media and they won’t be able to cover for him anymore like they have been.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=1472311&start=61&CurrentPageiurl=http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/H5tZc8oH–o/default.jpg
That line won't...
Siberian Wednesday, September 24th at 9:44PM EST (link)Obama’s campaign already announced that Bush called him.
And he’ll be in Washington tomorrow to meet with Bush.
Thus any criticism for that line is probably already defused.
True, but...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 9:58PM EST (link)A solution is key. If McCain can show he was willing to risk it for the brokered solution, rather than waiting for the phone to ring, then he still has some positive spin potentially to play with. But the luster is not the same as it could’ve been.
This is why I hate politics. The country is in need of a reasonable solution, and here I am talking about spin.
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
"Fairness Doctrine"
mike_carton Wednesday, September 24th at 9:59PM EST (link)In 1987 Ronald Reagan got rid of the “Fairness Doctrine”
True, but...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 10:00PM EST (link)A solution is key. If McCain can show he was willing to risk it for the brokered solution, rather than waiting for the phone to ring, then he still has some positive spin potentially to play with. But the luster is not the same as it could’ve been.
This is why I hate politics. The country is in need of a reasonable solution, and here I am talking about spin.
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
This is all crap
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 10:08PM EST (link)the current debate on this is between two really bad positions:
(1) do nothing (and tank the economy)
(2) implement the most expensive and economically intrusive way to allow distressed assets to be more realistically value
Is (2) better than (1)? Maybe. But after the dems the through with their “add ons” I’m not sure.
If McCain actually broadened the field he would be a hero, instead, he appears to be focusing on trees instead of the forrest.
Hint to Congress: There are other ways to save the economy and free up money for lending by removing temporarily shell-shocked asset values from the balance sheets of banks
McCain needs to go outside the box, but he is so outside of his element on this that it is a shame.
People like Steve Forbes and Newt Gingrich need to be listened to and amplified
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
55555555!!!!!!!!
MrSandman (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 10:18PM EST (link)HEAR HEAR!!
“Americans can no longer trust the economic information they are getting from this Administration.”
— Republican Senator Jim DeMint
This is a hammer
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 10:44PM EST (link)Hit him with it.
Redacted
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 10:50PM EST (link)I have found the reply to button.
That battle is already lost
mobius2702 (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 11:05PM EST (link)That battle was lost last year during the CAFE bill. The loans were authorized then. The big 2.5 are asking for the money to be appropriated.
And if this credit crisis isn’t resolved soon, there won’t be any 2.5 anymore… no one can buy a car when they can’t get a loan.
Tactics, Battle-ground States
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, September 24th at 11:09PM EST (link)This same thing is happening in many battle-ground states…
Frankly, it is great to have McCain and Palin around the State of Michigan, but…
Sterling Heights, Grand Rapids, etc… HOW ABOUT DETROIT?!?!?
John told us he was going to go to areas of the country that would ‘not otherwise be for him or Republicans in general’ and take the Fight everywhere. Why then is he wasting time in GR where the Republican advantage is assured?!?! How about bringing folks into Wayne County for a REAL BATTLEGROUND AREA in our Battleground State?!?! Want REAL Press analysis, this would help bring it. There are plenty of us Republicans in Wayne County and we are tired of NO SUPPORT from the Party or the major Candidates… Stop dissing us… keep your word to bring the Fight to where the REAL BATTLES ARE (as we all know, it is the issue of whether votes from everywhere else in the State will over-come the over-whelming Democrat turnouts, not bothering to mention potential fraud, of the Detroit area and Tri-County area, to turn the State Red in the Presidential sweepstakes).
Even while Democrats destroy the State, alot of people still will be pulling the Jackass, er… Donkey… lever in the Fall. Time the top of the ticket come into Detroit (city-limits proper) and put up a real fight for votes…
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At this point McCain is boxed in...
Siberian Wednesday, September 24th at 11:43PM EST (link)The impression I think many people got today is that he’s going back to Congress to try to help rescue the “Bush Bailout Plan”.
This type of idea is likely reinforced by Bush appearing on TV the same evening McCain announces he’s heading back to D.C.
He can’t then get there and offer up a completely different solution and oppose the presidents plan and effectively throw up roadblocks. He’d be delaying the response to what he called a crisis and he’ll be beat up for it.
It might be the right call. I certainly don’t think giving 700 billion dollars over to Wall Street is such a great idea. I’m just not sure politically that McCain has left himself any room on this issue at this point.
If he wanted to oppose the bailout he’s done a poor job of staking out that position.
If $700 Billion is at stake, you are never boxed in
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:04AM EST (link)I think the short term politics of this are irrelevant in comparison to the larger issues.
I wish Forbes or Gingrich were on McCain’s economics team
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
That's the impression I got...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:08AM EST (link)As much as I want the party to listen to Forbes and Gingrich, and agree with their assessments of the situation, it ain’t happening. I’d love to see McCain go back and throw a wrench in the process by supporting market principles, but that’s just not the John McCain I know. Going outside the box by suspending his campaign is, but he’s doing so to, I think, pick up the Bush flag and run with it on this one.
So the best we can hope for is that in the bipartisan negotiations we can keep as much of the Dodd elements out as possible. That appears to be, to me, where this game is going to be played. They need to, once negotiated, explain all this quickly and clearly, as well as what the alternatives would be, both by doing nothing, and by full implementation of Dodd’s proposal, which I (perhaps blindly) hope will not be what we get. Like I said, it’s the spin from that, that McCain minimized the centralization impact as much as possible, that he is betting that the government will finish in the black with the treasury department’s valuation and sale of MBS’s, and that his team, once elected, will pull it off in __ way that is crucial in this chess match.
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
Agree. MSM says he's losing the election. Let him make himself useful to the people, instead.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:14AM EST (link)He’s still a Senator of the Land. He has that present accountability to the people.
Let Obama do whatever pleases him.
{Bored Now. - ML}
18series Thursday, September 25th at 12:19AM EST (link)Lets worry about the impact to the country before the impact to McCain
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:21AM EST (link)If someone could actually persuade/educate McCain on this issue, the politics would take care of themselves.
McCain could ride in on the white horse fix the problem, distinguish himself from Bush, and establish his econ credentials.
Nobody is going to blame a flip-flopper who solves a $700B problem.
You;ve got to be kidding me if you think McCain is somehow “boxed in.” On an issue like this, a person is only boxed in by their own decision-making and ego.
Unfortunately, McCain is not likely to take the advice of Forbes or Ginrich, and McCain is otherwise not a big capitalism guy. This “rescue” plays into McCain’s worst instincts.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
He seems to see some sort of opportunity here.
wet_rat (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:24AM EST (link)But then again, maybe it is just the opportunity to feel magnanimous.
Bingo!
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:25AM EST (link)Outcome #1–nothing happens. McCain appears ineffective.
Outcome #2— some version of this monstrosity passes. Bad politics and bad policy (although still better than economic collapse)
Outcome #3—McCain leads with the Forbes/Gingrich plan–
ELECTION OVER–SWEAR HIM IN.
Only problem is the probabiity of between 0 and 0.0000000001
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
In this case, the polls are right
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:29AM EST (link)The proposal stinks, and McCain would do well for the country to help kill it.
The fact that it is tough medicine doesn’t mean that it is the right medicine.
Forget about the politics of this, we are talking about the largest of expansion of government in our lifetime.
The arguments on the bill are about managing the new welfare state, not a debate that conservatives or the country will benefit from.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
once again...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:30AM EST (link)I have to agree with you. I’ve read some of your other posts after your initial comments here, and you and I are on the same page in terms of what we think about the bill, and Fobes/Gingrich’s disdain for it. My first foray into campaigning was for Forbes in 2000.
But, like I said too, I felt dirty earlier thinking about spin, rather than the $700B figure, and the long-term impacts of centralization. I guess it’s my own way out of, or perhaps into the haze. I’m just grabbing for any positive I can find, and in such a positive for McCain and the rest of us (by staying on the road to victory).
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
I'm a Troll and I let my actions speak for me.
stang (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:31AM EST (link)“Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.”
The Bible
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
What exactly...
Skeptical1 Thursday, September 25th at 12:33AM EST (link)…is McCain going to do when he gets to Washington? He doesn’t hold a leadership position and his party is in the minority.
Is it really helpful for him to intervene in precarious negotiations where they’re trying to get a bipartisan bill completed before our economy completely goes down the crapper? Injecting presidential politics into the situation seems like a bad move if he truly puts “country first”.
I call em like I see em, so I say this is nothing more than a political gimmick for McCain to try to make Obama look bad while delaying the debates (especially the VP debate – more cramming for Sarah) and in the end he’ll try to take all the credit when a bill goes through.
We need to force a Harriet Meyers moment
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:35AM EST (link)We can still support McCain over Obama 100% while doing everything we can to try and change the debate on this issue.
People are simply not getting the whole story. Few in the media are explaining it (Larry Kudlow has, but even he has given in to supporting the bill given the alternative of doom).
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Fighting off earmarks on a $700B is the definition of not seeing the forest for the trees
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:40AM EST (link)McCain needs to propose a real solution, and not simply a compromise between a couple of horrible ideas.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I've been trying to explain it...
DrOldSchool (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:46AM EST (link)In my courses, but find myself just as lost as everyone else after a while, since most of them are not at all familiar with any kind of economic principles. I think seeing whatever they work out on paper ASAP will help. Otherwise this is like the Immigration mess from last summer, with the “trust us, it’ll be ok” rhetoric coming from DC. Part of me wants to believe it, the part of me focusing on spin. But part of me knows better too. I hope.
“Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”
- Ronald Reagan, 1975 Speech to CPAC
Already gone...
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:49AM EST (link)…not very good at covering tracks, you see: but I will note that Harry Reid’s probably flip-flopped again on this and now wants McCain to show up with bells on.
Or something. It’s Harry Reid, after all.
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Bi-Partisan BS
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:56AM EST (link)Yet another example of why all this “Bi-Partisan” crud is for the birds… Every time we “Conservatives” manage to be “Bi-Partisan” it means we “compromise” to more SOCIALISM…
Time for MORE PARTISANSHIP and Conservatives actually fighting for the right values. Being “Bi-Partisan” and willing to “compromise” (remember W ran on working with Dem’s, and unfortunately has far too many times) while in control of Congress got us ridiculous spending and being voted back out of power because we FAILED OUR PRINCIPLES. Here we go compromising them again…
say no to Obama Bin Biden ticket
Only reaching across the aisle I want to see McCain do is to SLAP THE S… OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE!
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
nice shot
Charles (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 12:56AM EST (link)I want to see if John stacks up to his reformer red-rick or if he fallows the party line on this.
evilchass
nice shot
Charles (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:00AM EST (link)I want to see if John stands up for his red-rick as a reformer or if he ends up following the party line.
evilchass
Oops, Dean and Sam will "nice-shot" the evilchass!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:05AM EST (link)Where’s speciallist when you need him?
Evilchass is in the Front row ...check him out!!
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:20AM EST (link)Opppps...I mean Charles..
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:21AM EST (link)n/p
A special youtube video for a special troll! sweeetttt!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:39AM EST (link)Thanks for the laugh...
jack_serious (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 1:44AM EST (link)…speciallist!
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Presidential Debate
bigz340 Thursday, September 25th at 5:56AM EST (link)What exactly is Sen. McCain delaying this debate for?Is putting this off supposed to convince the American people of his resolve?Where was he the past 8 yrs?Too much of his prior military service is placed on his ability to be a leader.Maybe 25 yrs. ago he was a committed steadfast person but time,money,power change people in ways that they can’t even see.Being a veteran it does me no pleasure to talk about a person who served his time,be it in peace or war,but to call him a hero is an exaggeration that even he should fess up to.Being a POW,and my cousin happens to fall into that category,doesn’t make you a hero,traitor or whatever.It makes you a survivor.Be grateful and blessed that you did.Many of our brothers weren’t as fortunate.Don’t tread on them by using it as a crutch for your position on why you should be the next leader of the Free World.I believe that Sen.McCains views on the American economic crisis fall severely short of a reasonable answer as well as current Pres.Bush’s foreign policy decisions.Any person with reasonable common sense should see that going into Iraq could of been avoided,given the lack of communication bet. the nations had existed for some time,that V.P.Cheney was for the most part pulling the strings on Capital Hill and had everyone agreeing with him with no credible evidence provided.What a shame it is to see our Government acting so irrationally and to see Congress go along with it because an extreme faction acted without recourse knowing that they would die in the end there is no means on this planet so far to defend that absolution.As I sit here on my computer typing away I realize that it can and will happen again to us as long as we continue to prevent the necessary communications between our nations and others.Not just the Governments of these nations but more importantly the people of them.Look at N.Korea.They threaten neighboring countries with nuclear confrontation and we bow to them w/ monies,supplies and so forth.Why,because he’s so indoctrined the people of his country to believe him or suffer his wrath they are sheep being led to the slaughter house and why,because they know no better.We as a nation excluded them,alienated them,as we do so with alot of foreign countries and in the end,we paid for it.We still are and it will never stop as long as we continue to let our elected leaders dictate who we like and who we don’t.Until we voice our discontent and if need be scream from the top of our lungs for change from the city,state and Fed. Governments for reform or we will be endessly stuck in this neverending circle of ignorance.Our government pitting us against each other.
Playing Chicken
wiseprince (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 7:23AM EST (link)Bush is playing chicken with McCain and Obama and neither one of them are ready to call his bluff. Maybe the market needs to slow down. Maybe some of the bigger companies need to fail. maybe the American consumer needs to feel some pain. Does anyone honestly think that is a winning argument 40 days outside of the election? Would that a leader would be that bold. To be fair I think McCain is that bold but doesn’t believe in the idea. If he did, he would be a good guy to have on your side
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JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 25th at 2:24PM EST (link)For whatever reason, he believes in his “rescue” plan.
I think is rescue plan is probably marginally better than doing nothing, but I would love to see other alternatives.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/1006/017.html
http://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2008/9/22/heresaplantoavoidanew_rtc
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122178603685354943-lMyQjAxMDI4MjIxMjcyODI2Wj.html
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/jsobieski/2008/sep/25/a-modest-proposal-that-could-save-the-us-go/
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!