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		<title>By: margo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-806</link>
		<dc:creator>margo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans should atleast be able to grow their own marijuana.  We&#039;re sending a fortune everyday to Mexican gangsters.</description>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41447 

HELL—A report released Monday by the Afterlife Civil Liberties Union indicates that nine out of 10 souls currently serving in Hell were condemned on drug-related sins.

&quot;Hell was created to keep dangerous sinners off the gold-paved streets of Heaven,&quot; ACLU spokesman Barry Horowitz said. &quot;But lately, it&#039;s become a clearing-house for the non-evil souls that Heaven doesn&#039;t know how to deal with.&quot;

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<p>HELL—A report released Monday by the Afterlife Civil Liberties Union indicates that nine out of 10 souls currently serving in Hell were condemned on drug-related sins.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hell was created to keep dangerous sinners off the gold-paved streets of Heaven,&#8221; ACLU spokesman Barry Horowitz said. &#8220;But lately, it&#8217;s become a clearing-house for the non-evil souls that Heaven doesn&#8217;t know how to deal with.&#8221;</p>
<p>etc.</p>
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		<title>By: batmastersen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>half the population is against the war on drugs . I don&#039;t know the answer but prison doesn&#039;t work. It&#039;s failed for far too long and my patience with it ran out long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>half the population is against the war on drugs . I don&#8217;t know the answer but prison doesn&#8217;t work. It&#8217;s failed for far too long and my patience with it ran out long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: batmastersen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the failed War on Drugs is mostly responsible for our costly overcrowded prison system it is not alone in producing lengthy unjust sentences. 

4 people were sentenced to prison sentences ranging from 2 years to 8 years for  importing Honduran Lobster Tails, a non-endangered species.


The reason they were sent to prison is due to the fact they had packed a few undersized Lobster Tails in clear plastic bags instead of cardboard boxes.  

They were imprisoned for violating a wildlife law in Honduras that no longer existed at the time of these business peoples alleged criminal actions! 

Even though the Honduran Government testified that the law was no longer valid the courts in America including our U.S. Supreme Court ruled the sentences valid. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/alobsterstail.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keeping US Safe From Plastic-packed Lobster Tails Complexity of laws leading to &quot;over-Criminalization&quot; of America?   &lt;/a&gt;


Diane Huang, a small business owner from New Jersey, is scheduled to enter federal prison on July 21, where she will begin serving a two-year sentence for purchasing undersized lobster tails shipped in clear plastic bags.

Under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law, it is illegal to take wildlife in violation of foreign law. The lobsters Ms. Huang purchased violated obscure laws of Honduras because they were shipped in clear plastic bags, rather than opaque cardboard boxes, and a small percentage of the lobsters did not measure to 5.5 inches in length.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Case &#039;an abominable injustice&#039;
Sunday, June 22, 2008




There are times when a prosecution and a prison sentence are so fishy that they cry out for clemency. 

Sometime between now and Sept. 4, Honduran businessman David Henson McNab will be released after nearly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iamnotguilty.org/newsupdates.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eight full years in a U.S. federal prison,&lt;/a&gt; all because, prosecutors say, he was too selfish about shellfish. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the failed War on Drugs is mostly responsible for our costly overcrowded prison system it is not alone in producing lengthy unjust sentences. </p>
<p>4 people were sentenced to prison sentences ranging from 2 years to 8 years for  importing Honduran Lobster Tails, a non-endangered species.</p>
<p>The reason they were sent to prison is due to the fact they had packed a few undersized Lobster Tails in clear plastic bags instead of cardboard boxes.  </p>
<p>They were imprisoned for violating a wildlife law in Honduras that no longer existed at the time of these business peoples alleged criminal actions! </p>
<p>Even though the Honduran Government testified that the law was no longer valid the courts in America including our U.S. Supreme Court ruled the sentences valid. </p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/alobsterstail.htm" rel="nofollow">Keeping US Safe From Plastic-packed Lobster Tails Complexity of laws leading to &#8220;over-Criminalization&#8221; of America?   </a></p>
<p>Diane Huang, a small business owner from New Jersey, is scheduled to enter federal prison on July 21, where she will begin serving a two-year sentence for purchasing undersized lobster tails shipped in clear plastic bags.</p>
<p>Under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law, it is illegal to take wildlife in violation of foreign law. The lobsters Ms. Huang purchased violated obscure laws of Honduras because they were shipped in clear plastic bags, rather than opaque cardboard boxes, and a small percentage of the lobsters did not measure to 5.5 inches in length.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Case &#8216;an abominable injustice&#8217;<br />
Sunday, June 22, 2008</p>
<p>There are times when a prosecution and a prison sentence are so fishy that they cry out for clemency. </p>
<p>Sometime between now and Sept. 4, Honduran businessman David Henson McNab will be released after nearly <a href="http://www.iamnotguilty.org/newsupdates.htm" rel="nofollow">eight full years in a U.S. federal prison,</a> all because, prosecutors say, he was too selfish about shellfish. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mooniefins</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a PO, I agree that the current way of doing things is not working and probably making things worse.  There are some programs in place that have proven to be more cost effective than jail.  One of those being used in VA is drug court.  Offenders must enter treatment, screened regularly, and must maintain employment, which means they are still paying taxes.  Kinda paying for their own treatment.  More offenders are sentenced to probation which requires sub. abuse evaluations, screening, and treatment.  Much more cost effective than jail.  However, with more people being referred to these services there is a need for providers, which means funding.  Typically R&#039;s shy away from these programs because they are seen as &quot;easy on crime.&quot;  My own state rep. cannot stand his local drug court, even though it is the second oldest in VA and one of the more effective ones.  Being supportive of it is not being tough on crime, in his eyes.  He is looking at it as a crime and punishment thing instead of a fiscal responsibility thing.

Along with the above stated programs I also believe that states should invest in treatment facilities.  More bed space is needed for treatment.  The construction of these facilities will require money spent by the states and localities, another hurdle for fiscal conservatives.  But it will be money spent smarter than continually building jails and prisons to warehouse individuals. 

Please don&#039;t think that I am some wussy lib who thinks everyone is innocent and the man is keeping him down.  Not me.  Dealers still need to be dealt with.  Trafficking needs to be dealt with.  Prisons are for those people.  We need to lower the demand for drugs, which treatment does.  Jails do not.  The drug business in prisons and jails is lucrative, in some cases more so than on the street.

Another point, I have toyed with the idea of legalizing drugs.  After doing what I do for a few years, there is a stark difference in drug users and non drug users, whether it be marijuana or meth.  I in no way am supportive of legalizing drugs.  The financial gain of taxing these substances would be meager to the ruin of social values, family values, etc.  More problems would be caused I&#039;m afraid.

Now, lowering the drinking age is a whole other story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a PO, I agree that the current way of doing things is not working and probably making things worse.  There are some programs in place that have proven to be more cost effective than jail.  One of those being used in VA is drug court.  Offenders must enter treatment, screened regularly, and must maintain employment, which means they are still paying taxes.  Kinda paying for their own treatment.  More offenders are sentenced to probation which requires sub. abuse evaluations, screening, and treatment.  Much more cost effective than jail.  However, with more people being referred to these services there is a need for providers, which means funding.  Typically R&#8217;s shy away from these programs because they are seen as &#8220;easy on crime.&#8221;  My own state rep. cannot stand his local drug court, even though it is the second oldest in VA and one of the more effective ones.  Being supportive of it is not being tough on crime, in his eyes.  He is looking at it as a crime and punishment thing instead of a fiscal responsibility thing.</p>
<p>Along with the above stated programs I also believe that states should invest in treatment facilities.  More bed space is needed for treatment.  The construction of these facilities will require money spent by the states and localities, another hurdle for fiscal conservatives.  But it will be money spent smarter than continually building jails and prisons to warehouse individuals. </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t think that I am some wussy lib who thinks everyone is innocent and the man is keeping him down.  Not me.  Dealers still need to be dealt with.  Trafficking needs to be dealt with.  Prisons are for those people.  We need to lower the demand for drugs, which treatment does.  Jails do not.  The drug business in prisons and jails is lucrative, in some cases more so than on the street.</p>
<p>Another point, I have toyed with the idea of legalizing drugs.  After doing what I do for a few years, there is a stark difference in drug users and non drug users, whether it be marijuana or meth.  I in no way am supportive of legalizing drugs.  The financial gain of taxing these substances would be meager to the ruin of social values, family values, etc.  More problems would be caused I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Now, lowering the drinking age is a whole other story.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Webb is about as good as a democrat can be, which isn&#039;t saying much.  Not just on this issue either.  But I don&#039;t think he will get anywhere with this, I am very pessimistic, it is as though fifty years of progress toward more personal freedom is being dashed to peices in just a few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Webb is about as good as a democrat can be, which isn&#8217;t saying much.  Not just on this issue either.  But I don&#8217;t think he will get anywhere with this, I am very pessimistic, it is as though fifty years of progress toward more personal freedom is being dashed to peices in just a few months.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it also appears it is a Democrat Jim Webb of VA and right out of the bat Cuccinelli who is running for AG is saying it&#039;s wrong I did call Ken&#039;s office and suggested that perhaps they take another look at what Webb wants to accomplish and that we would like to stop militarizing our police departments etc as I have said in my post.  I also called Webbs office and told them to read this diary on Redstate to see the support that Conservatives and Libertarians have shown for it.  I suggested he find a colleague on the right to support his bill....there will of course have to be commonality on the way forward but it NEEDS to be addressed!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122801728.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it also appears it is a Democrat Jim Webb of VA and right out of the bat Cuccinelli who is running for AG is saying it&#8217;s wrong I did call Ken&#8217;s office and suggested that perhaps they take another look at what Webb wants to accomplish and that we would like to stop militarizing our police departments etc as I have said in my post.  I also called Webbs office and told them to read this diary on Redstate to see the support that Conservatives and Libertarians have shown for it.  I suggested he find a colleague on the right to support his bill&#8230;.there will of course have to be commonality on the way forward but it NEEDS to be addressed!</p>
<p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/28/AR2008122801728.html</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to vote&#8230;. very symmetrical</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 09:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California is getting a lot more of its marijuana supply grown domestically, because smuggling it in from Mexico is automatically a felony, while growing and distributing it in California doesn&#039;t even come with a mandatory jail sentence.  The nasty part is that there are growers growing it in state and national parks in California, and tourists that stumbled upon these hidden fields have been shot at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California is getting a lot more of its marijuana supply grown domestically, because smuggling it in from Mexico is automatically a felony, while growing and distributing it in California doesn&#8217;t even come with a mandatory jail sentence.  The nasty part is that there are growers growing it in state and national parks in California, and tourists that stumbled upon these hidden fields have been shot at.</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was the one making the rules, I&#039;d legalize, tax, and use the tax revenues to fund rehab clinics with the tax set as high as it needs to be to fund the necessary clinics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was the one making the rules, I&#8217;d legalize, tax, and use the tax revenues to fund rehab clinics with the tax set as high as it needs to be to fund the necessary clinics.</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It means everything&#039;s in the subject line, you don&#039;t need to click on the comment for more.

Sometimes NT means &quot;NightTwister&quot; too though.  I always see my name in lights :-)</description>
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<p>Sometimes NT means &#8220;NightTwister&#8221; too though.  I always see my name in lights <img src='http://www.redstate.com/jaded/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Prince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and we don&#039;t really think they are bad.  We are a culture that uses drugs all day long and for every problem big and small, From caffeine to beer to illicit drugs.  We like drugs and we don&#039;t really think they are bad.  Hollywood stars use drugs, and use them a lot, and we are obsessed with Hollywood stars.  So its not really the drug.

We think that addicts are bad.  There is a difference.  The person who lives on your block, is a regular drug user, holds down a job, mows his or her yard every week-most don&#039;t have a problem with and don&#039;t really care about the drug use.   

It is when we see people who lack the self-control to recognize what is acceptable at a certain time and in a certain place-that bothers us.   That is why most Americans laugh at girls showing their boobs in New Orleans but would get angry if it happened in a church.    

If we hate drugs so much and think that they are so bad, then why did we legalize the most harmful (cigs) and intoxicating drugs (alcohol).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and we don&#8217;t really think they are bad.  We are a culture that uses drugs all day long and for every problem big and small, From caffeine to beer to illicit drugs.  We like drugs and we don&#8217;t really think they are bad.  Hollywood stars use drugs, and use them a lot, and we are obsessed with Hollywood stars.  So its not really the drug.</p>
<p>We think that addicts are bad.  There is a difference.  The person who lives on your block, is a regular drug user, holds down a job, mows his or her yard every week-most don&#8217;t have a problem with and don&#8217;t really care about the drug use.   </p>
<p>It is when we see people who lack the self-control to recognize what is acceptable at a certain time and in a certain place-that bothers us.   That is why most Americans laugh at girls showing their boobs in New Orleans but would get angry if it happened in a church.    </p>
<p>If we hate drugs so much and think that they are so bad, then why did we legalize the most harmful (cigs) and intoxicating drugs (alcohol).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Prince</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not responsible for someone else&#039;s drug problem.  Nor am I responsible for punishing them for doing something wrong when they are high.  I do believe in law and order.

So, if a crack head steals to get drugs, then, the criminal justice system can make the crack head provide restitution to the victim.  How does the victim get there stuff back when a crack head goes to jail, they don&#039;t.  In fact, their tax dollars pay for that crack head to get all his teeth replaced.  I would be much happier if the victim at least got some type of restitution, at least so one would gain from the situation. 

Currently we pay 35,000 each year to incarcerate.  I want to make damn sure that every person in there really needs to be separated from society.   That was the original purpose behind jails and prisons.  They were never intended for mass production.  They were supposed to be a last resort for citizens who posed a grave and immediate threat.   Not some abstract threat like &quot;poisoning the community&quot;.  Hell, my car poisons the community.

They were also not supposed to be used for long durations.  Because, when people are isolated, it screws them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not responsible for someone else&#8217;s drug problem.  Nor am I responsible for punishing them for doing something wrong when they are high.  I do believe in law and order.</p>
<p>So, if a crack head steals to get drugs, then, the criminal justice system can make the crack head provide restitution to the victim.  How does the victim get there stuff back when a crack head goes to jail, they don&#8217;t.  In fact, their tax dollars pay for that crack head to get all his teeth replaced.  I would be much happier if the victim at least got some type of restitution, at least so one would gain from the situation. </p>
<p>Currently we pay 35,000 each year to incarcerate.  I want to make damn sure that every person in there really needs to be separated from society.   That was the original purpose behind jails and prisons.  They were never intended for mass production.  They were supposed to be a last resort for citizens who posed a grave and immediate threat.   Not some abstract threat like &#8220;poisoning the community&#8221;.  Hell, my car poisons the community.</p>
<p>They were also not supposed to be used for long durations.  Because, when people are isolated, it screws them up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Prince</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t? What is n/t short for.  I see that a lot on blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n/t? What is n/t short for.  I see that a lot on blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Prince</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How often does that happen?  O times since the drug control act.  

&quot;Effective to incarcerate&quot; is dependent upon what your goals are.  If you want to punish people, then society can always make the punishment more severe.  I would say 40 years is pretty severe.

Are you getting your monies worth when it comes to the wod?  Most would say no.  Most of the people incarcerated are low level dealers or habitual users.  

I definitely agree that society needs to differentiate between &quot;victimless&quot; and &quot;non-victimless&quot; crimes but the point is that we are not.  That is one of the reasons that it is a complete failure.

The other large reason is that we are passing laws that are unenforceable as well as unnecessary.   The vast majority of adults do not use drugs.  3% of all adults smoke weed.  That is the largest category of all drugs.  Teens don&#039;t really use a lot of drugs either.  We have a hyper-fear of widespread drug use that is not supported by the research findings.  The most significant population of users occurred in the 60&#039;s and has been declining ever since.    Why would our children use drugs, the get a synthetic meth for free which they sell to each other and refer to as addy&#039;s.

There are more teens who are have a scrip for addy&#039;s than use all illicit drugs combined.  We use drugs for every problem we have in our culture and then we tell children not to use drugs.  

I am curious what effect incarceration has that you think is effective and whether the associated cost justifies our intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How often does that happen?  O times since the drug control act.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Effective to incarcerate&#8221; is dependent upon what your goals are.  If you want to punish people, then society can always make the punishment more severe.  I would say 40 years is pretty severe.</p>
<p>Are you getting your monies worth when it comes to the wod?  Most would say no.  Most of the people incarcerated are low level dealers or habitual users.  </p>
<p>I definitely agree that society needs to differentiate between &#8220;victimless&#8221; and &#8220;non-victimless&#8221; crimes but the point is that we are not.  That is one of the reasons that it is a complete failure.</p>
<p>The other large reason is that we are passing laws that are unenforceable as well as unnecessary.   The vast majority of adults do not use drugs.  3% of all adults smoke weed.  That is the largest category of all drugs.  Teens don&#8217;t really use a lot of drugs either.  We have a hyper-fear of widespread drug use that is not supported by the research findings.  The most significant population of users occurred in the 60&#8242;s and has been declining ever since.    Why would our children use drugs, the get a synthetic meth for free which they sell to each other and refer to as addy&#8217;s.</p>
<p>There are more teens who are have a scrip for addy&#8217;s than use all illicit drugs combined.  We use drugs for every problem we have in our culture and then we tell children not to use drugs.  </p>
<p>I am curious what effect incarceration has that you think is effective and whether the associated cost justifies our intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just another stream of revenue for the government so they have to keep the drugs flowing. If Uncle Sam were serious about putting a serious dent in the importation of illegal drugs, every car and truck crossing the border would get sniffed by a dog. 

I travel to a border city fairly often and every time I come back, I drive though a Border Patrol checkpoint on I-10 in Sierra Blanca, TX. They always wave me on through along with the others in line and I&#039;ve never seen a dog there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another stream of revenue for the government so they have to keep the drugs flowing. If Uncle Sam were serious about putting a serious dent in the importation of illegal drugs, every car and truck crossing the border would get sniffed by a dog. </p>
<p>I travel to a border city fairly often and every time I come back, I drive though a Border Patrol checkpoint on I-10 in Sierra Blanca, TX. They always wave me on through along with the others in line and I&#8217;ve never seen a dog there.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyofcarlisle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/jaded/2008/12/04/this-story-is-why-the-war-on-drugs-is-an-utter-failure/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>ladyofcarlisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a beauracracy here in Kentucky called &quot;the Department of Health and Family Services&quot;. They need to continually justify their jobs and keep the funds coming in (and you can only shut down so many meth labs and pass so many smoking bans). Their forever crusade is to *fight addiction*. Of course they never once sit down with a patient who is taking a certain class of drugs the DHFS deems politically incorrect and asks--&quot;how is this medicine helping you? Is it improving your quality of life?&quot; It doesn&#039;t seem to register that dependence is not the same as addiction. Regardless, they investigate the doctors with the largest pratices and if they along with the state board and the DEA feels like a doctor is &quot;prescribing too much&quot; or not going by established norms will surely dock his license. 

Last summer, as people tried to have their medications refilled, the pharmacies informed us that there was a hold put on all controlled meds written by two doctors here in the city. People--some elderly, sick and handicapped began to go into withdrawal and all the other practices including emergency rooms were naturally reluctant to treat them, much less continue to prescibe opioids for pain or nerve medicine. Many were simply turned away and certain treated as suspects. It was a rough time. It still is. This is supposed to be the government trying to help people??

Our family doctor has been nearly bankrupted by this system...the govt and the lawyers drag the process out for as long as possible. They really like to make examples of certain doctors who do not conform. Our doctor is a long time established respected physician who has did all he could for patient needs including how to save us money. He had/has a large practice that he began in the 1960&#039;s. What apparently happened was that DEA pharmacists filed complaints and the govt. started building a case so they could put out an &quot;Emergency Restriction&quot; on his licence--(in order to protect patients and familes of course.) His goal is to uphold the Hippocratic Oath, plain and simple. He is holding on and doing all he can to fight the charges and get back his good name and his practice. Of course this costing him a great deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a beauracracy here in Kentucky called &#8220;the Department of Health and Family Services&#8221;. They need to continually justify their jobs and keep the funds coming in (and you can only shut down so many meth labs and pass so many smoking bans). Their forever crusade is to *fight addiction*. Of course they never once sit down with a patient who is taking a certain class of drugs the DHFS deems politically incorrect and asks&#8211;&#8221;how is this medicine helping you? Is it improving your quality of life?&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t seem to register that dependence is not the same as addiction. Regardless, they investigate the doctors with the largest pratices and if they along with the state board and the DEA feels like a doctor is &#8220;prescribing too much&#8221; or not going by established norms will surely dock his license. </p>
<p>Last summer, as people tried to have their medications refilled, the pharmacies informed us that there was a hold put on all controlled meds written by two doctors here in the city. People&#8211;some elderly, sick and handicapped began to go into withdrawal and all the other practices including emergency rooms were naturally reluctant to treat them, much less continue to prescibe opioids for pain or nerve medicine. Many were simply turned away and certain treated as suspects. It was a rough time. It still is. This is supposed to be the government trying to help people??</p>
<p>Our family doctor has been nearly bankrupted by this system&#8230;the govt and the lawyers drag the process out for as long as possible. They really like to make examples of certain doctors who do not conform. Our doctor is a long time established respected physician who has did all he could for patient needs including how to save us money. He had/has a large practice that he began in the 1960&#8242;s. What apparently happened was that DEA pharmacists filed complaints and the govt. started building a case so they could put out an &#8220;Emergency Restriction&#8221; on his licence&#8211;(in order to protect patients and familes of course.) His goal is to uphold the Hippocratic Oath, plain and simple. He is holding on and doing all he can to fight the charges and get back his good name and his practice. Of course this costing him a great deal.</p>
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