From the diaries by Erick.
I want to teach a course called “Foundations of Conservative Thought”. I need a syllabus and a reading list. Sad to say, and as conservative as I am, I do not have a very good idea where to start. Conservatism has always made sense and come naturally to me, and as a result I have not put together a comprehensive intellectual underpinning with references.
My challenge, and plea – let’s come up with an outline / syllabus and reading list we can agree on, read the books on the reading list, and go forth. I am going to do this formally in my local community college, church, etc – wherever they will have me. I will prepare in the winter, and bloom in the spring
Well?
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Good Idea Jack....
Attack Mode (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:20AM EST (link)Some easy ones to list would be William F Buckley, Russell Kirk, The Federalist Papers by Madison, Jay, and Hamilton.
Additionally I would include Men in Black by Mark Levin…it focuses on the Judiciary.
That is all I have off the top of my head…anyhow great idea.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
You'll need
Erick Erickson (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:35AM EST (link)Some St. Augustine.
Edmund Burke.
F.A. Hayek + Milton Freidman.
You’ve got to throw in some Russell Kirk and a bit from Goldwater’s classic.
Surely there is a good passage from Gibbons that could be added for color.
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Challenge accepted, Jack
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 11:26AM EST (link)I confess, when I saw the title, I figured it was gonna be pistols at 20 paces, or the like. It was like, “well, what did I do THIS time?”
OK, seriously, I’m all for it. Give me today to come up with a few things — and I know you can expect to hear likewise from my compatriot Aaron Gardner, and probably plenty from the Fredhead gang as well.
One thing you can do is read the comment sections of both my Fredhead 3, and ABG’s excellent Conservatism Defined from the last couple of days. Several RedStaters get into discussions of the merits of various authors – and it should not surprise you to find that not everybody is as enamoured of Kirk and EPU and ABG are.
I’ve not really thought of it from the course/syllabus angle before.
Right this moment, off the top of my head, some reading-list thoughts, starting with the basics (and I find SHOCKING the number of people who have never sat down and read the DOI, the Constitution, and some of the other great American Revolution works:
Anyway, for now….
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
I recommend adding "Liberal Fascism" to the list
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:08PM EST (link)It is the mirror to hold those works up to. I think it is critical to understand the historical underpinnings of liberal/progressive thought as well in order to explain the importance of the conservative principles.
As for the Sowell works, how about “Economic Fallacies”?
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
And pray tell, Jack
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:20PM EST (link)Are you some sort of college instructor or professor or something? What is the venue we are talking about? Campus, online, what? Continuing education?
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Two Cents
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:26PM EST (link)Kirk considered himself a historian of ideas. The Conservative Mind and its compendium the Conservative Reader are an awesome place to start because it touches of a variety of conservative thought from Burke, to John Adams, to Calhoun, Santayana, Balfour, etc…
I suspect not everything shold be too dry. I’d recommend David Horowitz’s Radical Son and Destructive Generation for color.
You may want to look into some anti-bolshevik writing from someone like Chambers or Dostoyevsky. I would just excpert the first couple chapters of Witness.
'Atlas Shrugged' by Ayn Rand for economics?
Xasteius (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 2:26PM EST (link)<>
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Dittos on Liberal Fascism
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 2:33PM EST (link)It is an important book. I thought I new everything there was about the Progressive movement, but I learned a lot of new things from Goldberg.
Also, Thomas Sowell’s two books on economics are must reads.
I also want to recommend Indur Goklany’s “The Improving State of the World”
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Double dittos on Goldberg & Sowell
1SGinTN (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 2:59PM EST (link)I consider *Conflict of Visions *by Thomas Sowell a must read
For a historical perspective on our adversaries, let me add *Three New Deals *by Wolfgang Shivelbush.
Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil
Recommended
Joe_Schmo (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 3:06PM EST (link)Even after the let down that it’s not pistols at 20 paces…
Thirded Kyle...if that is really a word
Attack Mode (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 3:14PM EST (link)But I would suggest that anyone reading Liberal Fascism take it in consumable parts…it is a very depressing book to the spirit. Make sure you have some happy reading at the same time.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Outline
Mike Friesen (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 6:54PM EST (link)I can help with the outline. If you are interested, shoot me an e-mail or answer this comment.
Best regards,
Michael
What about...
Jake W (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 6:57PM EST (link)Hayek’s classic Road to Serfdom?
Other than that, great list.
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I'll second that ...
alchemist17 (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 6:58PM EST (link)And raise you “The Road to Serfdom” and “The Wealth of Nations”.
Oh, and if we’re dealing with typical students:
The U.S. Constitution and amendments
What It Means To Be A Libertarian
Spiral (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:02PM EST (link)At the risk of getting booed. I would recommend “What It Means To Be A Libertarian,” by Charles Murray.
I realize that there is a difference between conservatism and libertarianism.
But American conservatism has a strong libertarian influence, which is what separates American conservatism from the stale conservatism of continential Europe.
The Obama Bread Lines
Adam Smith
Lords86 (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:03PM EST (link)Wealth of Nations.
Four recs
paint_it_red (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:04PM EST (link)I recommend:
“Clash of Orthodoxies” by Professor Robbie George of Princeton for the best 1 stop and insight packed book on the culture wars.
That the Declaration of Independence be taught simultaneously with John Locke’s explanation of the natural law, which I believe forms the philosophical underpinning to the conservative philosophy on property rights.
A section focusing on the federalist papers and the text from the Constitutional Convention, as penned by James Madison, which I believe would engender in students a greater appreciation for federalism (the anti-federalists), and respect for conservative judicial philosophy.
If you also contrast with liberal philosophies, I would show the striking parallels between Nazi rhetoric and the modern left. A sobering place to start would be a book called The Nazi Doctors (don’t recall the author off the top of my head). It is filled with anecdotes from the doctors, guards, and surviving victims from the concentration camps. Really, a whole another course could be taught on the history of liberal movements and their propensity toward violence.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
I would also consider some other writers/thinkers
Brian Simpson (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:07PM EST (link)like Frederic Bastiat, Thomas Paine, Alexis de Tocqueville, and P.J. O’Rourke.
And no course on politics would be complete without The Art of War by Sun Tzu
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Important principles may and must be inflexible. ~ Abraham Lincoln
Nah, no boos here
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:13PM EST (link)Goldwater is still loved here. I don’t know the book or the author, but I’ll grant that libertarianism is not so terribly far from conservatism, with many common elements. Studying your allies and frequent comrades-in-arms is a healthy and productive exercise when one wants to understand the fullness of conservatism.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Leadership Institute - Read to Lead
Josh Schroeder Thursday, November 20th at 7:19PM EST (link)Morton’s 25 Recommended Books
This link goes to Morton Blackwell’s 25 Recommended Books on the Leadership Institute website.
Josh Schroeder
http://joshschroeder.blogspot.com/
DeToqueville
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:19PM EST (link)Particularly his stuff on the inherent battle between freedom and equality and how the American an French revolutions each represented the triumph of one.
Yes
DL80 Thursday, November 20th at 7:23PM EST (link)Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France is a good choice.
If you want to start
persiflage Thursday, November 20th at 7:29PM EST (link)with some basic philosophical underpinnings for conservatism, I will second John Locke.
“A republic, if you can keep it…” – B. Franklin
a few more
drbill Thursday, November 20th at 7:29PM EST (link)Wealth & Poverty, George Gilder
Spirit of Democratic Capitalism, Michael Novak
Sowell: A Conflict of Visions, Knowledge & Decisions and Migrations & Cultures
Harvest of Sorrow, Robert Conquest
My input on Conservatism: the class...
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 7:43PM EST (link)As (a usually Democrat-voting) someone who would like to take such a course — why on Earth no find a way to offer it online on RedState somehow? Many of your readings would be in the public domain, after all — here’s my input:
Burke, the Federalist Papers, and Winston Churchill would probably be good points of concentration.
Counterpoints (in a single class or throughout) wherein you highlight basic conservative thoughts behind figures not generally thought of as conservative — Gandhi, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. — would be interesting and illuminating.
A foundational discussion of conservatism through comparing and contrasting Plato versus Aristotle’s thoughts on society would be interesting, but could get real abstract and academic real fast. Same with a discussion of Rome via Gibbon.
William F Buckley will be a constant source of grace note passages (and more)…
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Need more Classics:
Sayyid412 Thursday, November 20th at 7:54PM EST (link)Everyone here is heavy on the recent stuff. Get some more classics. Off the top of my head:
Aristotle
Locke
Burke
Toqueville
Adam Smith
Sumner: “The Forgotten Man”
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.”
–John Stuart Mill
Good start
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:19PM EST (link)Any specific titles you would recommend?
Thanks so much, EPU (and others)
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:22PM EST (link)I hope to provide a template for me, and others, to truly master the philosophy of conservatism. It just seems to me to be so incredibly intuitive, and that is probably a downfall – much like the Christian faith.
An intellectual liberal / socialist / communist is an oxymoron.
Churchill is hard to excerpt.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:26PM EST (link)You could do a whole class on either one of his two most famous histories.
The Kim Kardashian of blogging.
Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
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http://twitter.com/moelane
My (combined) wish list.
Good question
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:27PM EST (link)I am just a normal guy in a liberal area that wants to do this. I have presented in my current job for 20+ years and guest taught on certain subjects many times before. I am thinking of it as a continuing ed course at the local CC, or something over an eight or so week period, for free, in a room that I rent.
The troops need to be rallied, and knowing damn good and well that one is right seems to help.
NOW you're talking
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:29PM EST (link)“As (a usually Democrat-voting) someone who would like to take such a course — why on Earth no find a way to offer it online on RedState somehow?”
I have done a couple of webinars – this is a very good thought, in my opinion. Maybe we can do this as sort of a train the trainer…
Thanks Joe
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:33PM EST (link)Maybe water balloons or boiled eggs.
Milton Friedman
JCDoc (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:36PM EST (link)I’d add “Free to Choose” by Milton Friedman and his wife to this excellent list.
If you're interested in the impact of Christianity on this...
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:37PM EST (link)I suggest Francis Schaeffer. For related writings that are a bit more contemporary, several books by Nancy Pearcey and/or Chuck Colson are excellent.
Stay far, far away from Jim Wallis.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Q&A
smijer Thursday, November 20th at 8:39PM EST (link)Personally, I’m very puzzled by conservatism in many respects. Whatever your reading list or intellectual underpinnings, I think that answering some difficult questions in light of the conservative philosophy might help to illuminate the issue:
*Taxes: I’ve never met a conservative that didn’t feel that lower taxes were better. Yet the top marginal rate has steadily decreased over the last 60 years and is currently at its lowest point since the Great Depression. The simple question is – at what point are taxes “low enough”? The bigger question is “on what basis does a conservative answer this question?”
*Family values: without presuming that the two are never (or always) mutually exclusive: which is more important? Stability and functionality of families, or maintaining a traditional family structure? If conservatism requires belief that the traditional family structure is optimal for stability and functionality, then how is “traditional” defined, what qualities of that tradition are those that maximize stability and functionality, and how is that belief supported evidentially?
*Militarism: The United States is, by orders of magnitude, the most militarily powerful nation in the world. Conservatives generally promote steadily increasing military spending, both in absolute terms and (especially) as a fraction of overall government spending. According to the principles of conservatism, when should military spending stop increasing?
*Life: How does conservatism define life, such that an undifferentiated human embryo and someone in a persistent vegetative state both meet the criteria – and how are those criteria morally relevant? That is to say, what properties of “life” apply to both of these two states and compel society to protect it from destruction over and against other important values by force of law?
Yes, these are contentious questions. I don’t argue that. But intellectually consistent answers to them would go a long way toward explaining the underlying thinking behind conservatism – I think to a geater degree than any reading list (whose answers may or may not pertain to modern conservatism) that anyone could propose.
The partisan,… cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. – Plato
Rand definitely.
Husker (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:41PM EST (link)Also, you might want to check out Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave” from Book VII of The Republic. It is a fable that illustrates seekers of truth in a land of ignorant followers.
I think most of these folks..
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:42PM EST (link)…are hard to excerpt. I don’t think that’s a disqualifier if Churchill is presented in a certain context (let’s say: the use of military power versus diplomacy).
Tocqueville has been brought up. Well, he had a lot of disparate views on America, and so excerpting and filtering him solely for views that align with modern American conservativism might be dishonest.
Along different lines, Burke does a good job of distilling the reasons why the French Revolution was a complete debacle. However, he has a lot to say about it, especially as it compares to the American revolution. Excerpts don’t do it justice, and mere excerpts shouldn’t be the basis of a class in any case. Half of what makes Burke so compelling are his lefty contemporaries: the Jacobins and lunatics like Saint-Simon. Burke’s lasting power is all about context and contrast and choice.
So, I would say the “not good for excerpting” rule should not be a main concern. Classes such as Jack Savage proposes are for a deeper contexual learning that hopefully goes beyond superficialities and excerpts. I think that if Jack doesn’t just want a “conservative pep rally” bunch of quotes as his class he’ll have to really pare down his foci to avoid this problem.
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Not to be dismissive or glib...
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:48PM EST (link)…but the New Testament would be best place to start on the role of religion in modern American conservatism. I don’t see why one bothers with middleman political exegeses. They normally date themselves pretty quickly, unlike the original.
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Well, for one thing...
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:52PM EST (link)I doubt EPU plans on teaching a Bible study.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
I would imagine not!
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 8:59PM EST (link)But the teachings of Jesus speak for themselves in all modes of discussion; political, religious, social (as do, I’ll note quickly, the teachings of Buddha).
So the middleman approach to their inclusion seems unnecessary and dilutive. It confines everlasting, all-encompassing wisdom to the confines of a limited interpreter working within a narrow slice of political zeitgeist. Why do that? Why bother? The Gospels are transcendent.
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Class Begins
Mike Friesen (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:21PM EST (link)These would be great questions to discuss in class.
Best regards,
Michael
Also, Evolution vs. Creationism is critically important...
Rob_McEwen Thursday, November 20th at 9:21PM EST (link)One huge different between today’s political landscape and that of a generation or two ago is that the Left has a comprehensive and well-thought-out world view that carefully backs up their positions and convinces them that they are absolutely 100% correct and that conservatives are just backwoods uninformed bigots.
Evolution is a massive underpinning to much of this, and few on the Left have taken the time to examine the best arguments against Evolution. They assume it to be fact. They also have been presented the most goofy and laughable “strawman” arguments favoring Creationism. They mistakenly believe that Creationism is only backed up by religion and are shockingly mis-informed about the best arguments and science for Creationism (or Intelligent Design) and against Evolution.
How does this effect politics? For starters, here are some things that have tremendous underpinnings in Evolution and a world view that is devoid of a Christanity or belief in an actual conscious supreme being:
extreme environmentalism – They believe that man is not a steward of the earth, man is the scourge of the earth… we are better of not being here and “hands off” is the best policy. In their mind, Earth was doing just find until we started populating it. This would partially explain their bizarre opposition to nuclear energy. And, of course, we see now what “hands off” is doing in California’s forest management!
(IRONICALLY – I wonder how much CO2 those fires are emitting? I wonder how many animals, and endangered animals, have lost their lives and/or habitats in those fires?)
extreme animal rights – In their minds, animals and humans are both evolved animals on a spectrum. So how dare we elevate the needs or human rights of humans over animals?
value of human life – In an official state-sanctioned biography of Joseph Stalin, it stated that his philosophy was heavily influenced when he was told about Darwin’s findings. Now that “God” was dead (in Stalin’s mind), it later became much easier to murder millions of people. After all, if there is no Creator to answer to for one’s actions in the afterlife, then what does a dictator have to fear?
Likewise, PZ Myers, one of the most prolific pro-evolution anti-creationism bloggers on the Internet (and featured prominently in the recent “No Intelligence Allowed” movie) admitted on his blog that he favors infanticide in certain cases where the baby had an unexpected birth defect.
Did you get that? He favors legalizing the parents killing their already born baby, in certain situations.
If we are all just “lucky slime” formed out of random particles, who is to say what is right or wrong? And how can one judge another’s value system? And why can’t we just give power to the State and allow the State to socially “re-engineer”. What is the big deal about killing our already-born baby who won’t have much “quality of life” and will just be an economic burden on the parents and gov’t, right?
The reason that this wasn’t particularly critical in the past is that, 40 years ago, even Democrats mostly had a rather Christian world-view. Even those who accepted Evolution as fact took a “God must have used Evolution as a tool in creation” point of view, inconsistent as that may be.
Back then, there were simply too many barriers to accepting the logical conclusions of Evolution which are now becoming widely accepted.
But that isn’t the case for high school and college students today. They are well indoctrinated in deep Leftist world-views… and their brainwashing about Evolution is a key foundation to this.
FINALLY: Probably THE BEST pro-creationism anti-evolution book that is extremely short and easy to read is “The Case Against Darwin”. It is very short and powerful, and sticks to arguments for which there is a consensus amongst leading young-earth and old-earth creationists. It mainly sticks to just the pure science. Unfortunatly, it avoids a few of the best arguments which are difficult to explain quickly–for the sake of brevity–so that is understandable.
The author has some good information here
Just One Question
DONTREADONME (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:30PM EST (link)Since you like Greek Philosophy…
How would you answer these perplexing conflicts you have regarding conservatism?
From your understanding of conservatism, how would you answer these questions?
AKA: "Why stop now!?! No, really, why?"
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:37PM EST (link)The (generally) agreed upon end points of an ideological political system are usually much more useful to understanding said system than the agreed upon foundations.
It’s a good point.
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I think those are excellent questions
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:40PM EST (link)And just the kind that we need to be able to answer with a solid philosophy. This is exactly why I want us to do this.
Thanks. Really.
I will leave this up to you and EPU and other conservative scholars
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:41PM EST (link)And maybe we can all refine things as we go along…
OK - I have thought about this some more
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:47PM EST (link)I think the outline should touch on the main fundamentals of conservatism, with excerpts from the reading list to bolster and fill out these fundamentals.
Maybe we could begin by fleshing out conservatism, then contrasting it with the basic tenets of competing philosophies. The reading list would be for students who wish to more fully explore certain aspects of conservatism more fully – say, the economic fundamentals, or the role and importance of God in conservatism, etc.
I just think when we do this, confidently and articulately, we change hearts and minds.
This is an aspect of conservatism that needs to be more fully explained
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:50PM EST (link)And I believe explaining the difference between the theory of evolution and the origin of life is a great place to start.
It is just too hard for me – or anyone, really – to believe we came from nothing and are going nowhere.
Yes
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 9:59PM EST (link)I especially like 2 and 3.
Ditto on Reagan's "The Speech"
phred (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:02PM EST (link)The Rendezvous with Destiny. Timeless and moving.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
There is a letter in Horowitz's "Left Illusions"
phred (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:09PM EST (link)that I think was to a former professor or left associate of his that spelled out the perfection and elegant simplicity of capitalism. Compelling and illuminating on the positive impact of capitalism, and the vacuum that communism leaves in the soul.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
I've read a lot of Horowitz...
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:12PM EST (link)…and to me it’s not instructive. It’s humorous at times. But I tend not to trust these overzealous converts to give me the best analysis of conservatism. People who know about conservatism can enjoy Horowitz. People who don’t know about conservatism shouldn’t learn the principles from such people, though. IMO.
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Reading Modern Times
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:18PM EST (link)by Paul Johnson (conservative historian). I stumbled on the original edition in a used bookstore and I have been enthralled. Will be a definite Christmas wish to get the revised ed.
I’d be really curious whether others liked it and whether this book or sections thereof could provide useful perspective for the class.
Practically speaking, history teaches cause and effect.
A truly conservative concept, n’est pas?
Conversely, what is liberalism but the absence of consequences for actions taken?
In "Left Illusions" I found little humor but I did gain insight into
phred (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:20PM EST (link)the “religion” of communism. And the perspective of one who abandoned a leftist life from birth.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
I Think Those Are Dangerous Questions
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:23PM EST (link)When conservatives confuse policy with principles, it loses it heart and vision. It’s similar to the difference to the Constitution and its application to individual cases and individual times. You can’t get lost in the weeds of individual circumstances.
For example, individual tax policy is a matter of pragmatism not principle. I would say that a true conservative believes in lower taxes because tax revenue is the life blood of Leviathan. Conservatives also understand the civil liberties are linked to property rights, but what works on an economic level often depends on the circumstances. For example, until the great depression, the income tax was unconstitutional. All of our founding fathers were protectionists who relied heavily on tariffs. Tax policy as it applies to the present situation is a matter of policy and not principle. What works best economically may change.
The same type of analysis applies to defense. There are matters of principle and there are matters of policy and administration. We see this in Iraq. The surge was not conservative or liberal. Tactics and strategy are not conservative or liberal. Once you try to identify conservatism on a policy level you get stuck in the weeds again. I would say that a true conservative recognizes that the original intent of all nations is defense. History has shown us that governments were born for the common defense. Conservatives also believe in the Constitution and national sovereignty. We abhor international agreements and entanglements. In that sense we must be self-reliant. Our military should be strong enough to fight a two or three front without allies if necessary. There is a division between paleo-con foreign policy and what has been termed neo-con foreign policy. This relates to our duty to foreign countries and there is some dispute there.
But we can’t confuse principles with policy. I hate it when people say stuff like “He’s a good conservative because he supports Israel” or “He’s a good conservative because he supported the surge” or “He’s a good conservative because he supported NAFTA”. That type of analysis is nonsense. Those are current Republican policy positions, which differ from traditional conservative principles.
Let us not forget science and technology
DONTREADONME (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:25PM EST (link)Science and technology used to be separate from political ideology.
These days the fields of engineering, science, medicine, psychology, and technology has been claimed by liberalism. I think there is a way to bring these fields into the discussion from an ethical standpoint. The ethical implications of a conservative approach versus the liberal approach
I have to give some thought to this correlation; however, since liberalism has been injected into these fields it is equally logical to assume that conservative principles can be applied.
The questions could be put generally
smijer Thursday, November 20th at 10:26PM EST (link)They don’t necessarily have to be framed in terms of their relationship to conservatism. In fact, I think their answers would shed light when framed in terms of liberalism as well.
My answers:
Taxes – too low when the needs of the state cannot be paid for under the revenue provided by the tax base. Too high when the state is wasting more money than the lowest basic entropy of a bureaucratic system generates. “Needs of the state” include basic needs of its citizens and basic standards of opportunity for its citizens are being universally met.
I don’t think that this point is often found at in a region of the “Laffer Curve” that would see increased tax revenues as a result of decreasing tax rates – should it be found there, then obviously the formulae above would be reversed.
I think that taxes on any given group should never be more than they can afford without giving up basic needs and basic opportunities.
Family values: I believe that, “traditional” (by certain criteria) families are an excellent choice for many people, but that for some segments of the population, non-traditional arrangements are more stable and more functional. Included, certainly, are gay people. I do value function and stability over tradition.
Militarism: I believe that we have reached a point of military superiority that we should de-emphasize military spending. Given the current state of affairs, with unfinished wars in two foreign countries, that we cannot do so dramatically, but that we should make every effort to finish those wars, and return to a defensive footing as soon as possible. When that is done, we will have the strength necessary to meet any foreseeable new threat and to deal with current threats with less investment in the military than we currently make. So long as we are defensively secure, we need only provide offensive capability to cover contingencies long enough to re-adjust to a new situation.
*Life: I think that the most compelling moral imperative is to protect the right to life of intelligent and sentient beings: that is those who could be convinced to conceive of death and suffer at the prospect of it. Other compelling moral imperatives exist, but I’m not sure any are of a nature that it is appropriate for the state to address. Even if they are, where other considerations are not in play or are relatively unimportant, where the intelligence or sentience of that being are reasonably disputable, they should be taken as real and the being should be protected. This because protecting the life of the intelligent and sentient is probably the most compelling moral imperative any of us can conceive. However, where the dispute cannot be reasonably made, or can only be made tenuously, and in the presence of other compelling factors such as the need for better medical research, the right of a woman to self-determination, or respect for the stated wishes of a traumatized individual (as established by a preponderance of the evidence, duly litigated), the requirement to protect life holds less force and may be outweighed by these other factors. I can think of no morally binding reason that a non-sentient, non-intelligent being should be fully protected (as are fully sentient, intelligent human beings) by the state at the expense of any other consideration.
All of these notions trace back to an underlying ethic. You may call it “liberal” or not – I see no reason why it is exclusively liberal, though I do see that liberalism does seem to embrace that ethic in most cases. That ethic is basic fairness and welfare for sentient, intelligent beings. And, honestly, I think on some level or another it is an ethic acknowledged by mentally responsible humans universally. Perhaps the conservative positions on these three topics can also trace back to the same ethic. Perhaps there is an error in derivation along the line between the ethic and the conservative position or between the ethic and the liberal position. Perhaps, if other notions less important to our “civic religion” were set aside for the sake of argument, we could see more clearly which positions are better derived from the universal ethic. Or, maybe not.
The partisan,… cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. – Plato
Wow.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:26PM EST (link)This is the 2nd diary today I’ve bookmarked to read the thread later.
I’ve been wanting to read some WF Buckley for a while. Somehow I’ve never read any conservative theorists. I’ll be tuning in to see what people believe are the best of the best of WFB. I trust no other source better, needless to say.
Horowitz is dark humor...
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:29PM EST (link)…and I’m not even sure if David intends it as such, but it’s there. Mockery and anecdotal evidence of the other side’s silliness.
Whatever insight can be gained from reading Horowitz needs a grounding in some other (independently derived) viewpoint, though. If you’re a righty and know why you’re a righty, it’s funny. If you’re a lefty and appreciate Monty Pythonesque takes on your own side, it’s entertaining.
But it’s not a learning tool, IMO. And learning tools seem to be what Jack is after.
it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses
Teaching A Class Is About Efficiency Too
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:30PM EST (link)You could spend an entrire semester on Democracy in America. The Federalist papers are extremely dull. I wouldn’t want to teach a class on conservatism that bored or frustrated people.
The thing about lighter reading is that a student can digest it in a week or two and it can light a fire of curiosity.
Many academics teach this way. They offer the heavy penetrating texts with light illusory reading. Students digest the most that way. Give them a book they will digest four or five pages at a time and them give them a burner that will have them four or five hours a day.
some suggestions
Big Apple Infidel (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:32PM EST (link)There are a bunch of conservative reading lists posted on the web from National Review to the Federalist Society and others. Some suggestions:
James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay – The Federalist Papers
The Declaration of Independence
The Constitution and Amendments
Alexis de Tocqueville – Democracy in America
Edmund Burke – Reflections on the Revolution in France
Russell Kirk – The Conservative Mind
Friedrich A. Hayek – The Road to Serfdom
Whittaker Chambers – Witness
Ayn Rand – Atlas Shrugged
Milton Friedman – Capitalism and Freedom
William F. Buckley – God And Man At Yale
Barry Goldwater – Conscience of a Conservative
Ronald Reagan, Martin Anderson, Annelise Anderson, and Kiron Skiner – Reagan, In His Own Hand: The Writings of Ronald Reagan That Reveal His Revolutionary Vision for America
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn – The Gulag Archipelago
Walid Phares – Future Jihad
George Orwell – 1984
Aldous Huxley – Brave New World
The City Journal quarterly published by The Manhattan Institute
Daily review of articles published on HumanEvents.com
Greetings from occupied territory!
Let us address your misconceptions
DONTREADONME (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:37PM EST (link)I would be happy to address your misconceptions in your answers to the questions you posed. I have the feeling you swung by with no real desire to learn conervatism, but if you did come by for schooling I and others will be more than happy to help with your education.
Unfortunatly, you have topics of which I am very familiar, taxes, government spending, defense spending, and life. Though your life arguement could get a little tricky.
I do not want to fill up this thread, so why don’t you post your misconceptions with your follow-up in a diary or I can take your Q&A with your permission and address them one by one in one of my own diaries. What do think?
What angle are you pushing here, Jack?
Hermes (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:41PM EST (link)Are you attempting to give a basic primer on modern, mainstream American conservatism or something more like the philosophical basis of American conservatism? Or even a history of American conservatism?
Although some fantastic suggestions have been made by the many commenters above me, I think that you need to answer the question of focus first before you jump to reading lists. Additionally, I think it important to remember that American conservatism is not monolithic. Each wing of conservatism is going to have its own peculiar brand of political philosophy drawn from widely diverse sources.
If you are going for a general primer on modern American conservatism, I have nothing to add to the suggestions already given above. If you want a history of conservatism, again nothing to add. Russell Kirk is the man. If you want the philosophical underpinings of American conservatism, I might have some suggestions. Let me know where you are going with this.
National Review's
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 10:59PM EST (link)100 Best Books of the Century
So many books so little time…
Conservatism and other Myths
mollyp Thursday, November 20th at 11:42PM EST (link)Is what I think you should title your course, and the focus should be on the extent to which Conservatism can be identified as a unified philosophy and the extent to which the category itself is a figment of our imaginations.
This is an unbelievably illuminating exercise.
The list of books proposed is remarkably similar to any list that a group of moderate Democrats would have compiled, with the exception I would say of perhaps a few books – like Buckley and Kirk.
Is there really such thing as Conservatism – or Liberalism for that matter? I tend to think both are far too nebulous to deserve either the capitalization or the ‘ism’ suffix, and the reading suggestions and range of comments demonstrate that notion to me with breathtaking clarity.
True to a certain extent...
Addison (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 11:57PM EST (link)…the United States now, in both its major parties, combines a certain antipathy to revolutionary change with a certain view toward the positive progress the future promises.
I almost always vote Democratic. But I think Burke has tons to say.
That said, there have been two threads of Western European political thought for quite a while. The labels may not be so applicable to the USA, and the division may be far less drastic (though I remember the posited “Big Ditch” of yore) than is rhetorically or psychologically amenable, but the reality of the argument exists.
And it’s a useful argument for both sides. Equality or Liberty, Social Justice or Tradition, Community or Individual?
It’s all gray, gray, gray to me — hopefully it’s that way for most people here, it certainly is for most Americans — but the shades are interesting to argue about.
And pragmatically meaningful.
it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses
Mollyp with you saying preciously that Clinton will be good as SOS....
Attack Mode (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 11:58PM EST (link)I will take any opinion of yours on Conservatism with a large grain of salt.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Here is my two cents... and it is easy
DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:11AM EST (link)Listen, Liberalism is a philosophy once relegated to those that are now considered the Conservatives. Conservatives were the Liberals of old.
Liberalism now has been flipped on its side to mean (to me) the gross overapplication of Government to solve societies ills.
Conservatism is the opposite side of that spectrum, where the Government is to be used at a minimum. small c and small l is relegatee to the actual terms use, not political ideologies, or if you like call them the moderate-right, moderate-left
“You say that everything in the world is shades of gray, I say, it is very hard to make a law, enforce and apply justice if everything is shade of gray”
How bout you?
mollyp Friday, November 21st at 12:28AM EST (link)Who would you prefer that Obama chooses as SOS, among people he might realistically choose. Kerry, Richardson, or Clinton ? Those are the only other names I’ve heard tossed around.
Jack, this is so awesome.
c17wife (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:07AM EST (link)No shreiking, gnashing, and wailing. Just action.
I’m ready to get involved with this type of education when I get back to the states. I always thought I’d go back to teaching in the classroom, early childhood specifically as I love to teach kids to read. But, after this election, I find myself drawn to political action. Be it teaching, runnning for office, whatever. Consider me a Sarah Palin protege. :>)
One word of advice. All these books/resources listed are great starting points. I think it is very important to package the message in a simple manner. Conservative principles need not be verbose statements of philosophy. They really can be condensed into simple statements that are easily articulated to everyday citizens that have neither the time or desire for lots of words. I hope that makes sense.
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
Milton Friedman
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:13AM EST (link)Free to Choose–this is the more “popular” of his works. That is, it was a companion book for a TV series, so it was meant as an easier read.
Capitalism and Freedom– Much more a philosophy of economics.
The Conservative Mind and Conservative Reader are two works I recommend heartily as well.
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
absolutely
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:14AM EST (link)A must read
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
Old and New Testament's both...please :P
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:19AM EST (link)One cannot understand the New rightly without the Old. (grouses the Biblical Theologian)
Francis Schaeffer is good reading. But he is…oversimplistic in his cultural analysis at points. It comes from trying to do too much and thus painting broad brush. That said, he’s basically right.
Charles Colson is very important in terms of more modern issues. And ironically is perhaps closer to the heart of the conservative idea in his attempt to be “non-partisan.”
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
smijer-your take on military spending is
c17wife (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:30AM EST (link)so naive, I don’t even know where to begin. Since this thread really isn’t baout spending, I’ll limit my response to this.
How, exactly, do you plan to stay the foremost military power in the world if you are not willing to spend money to modernize your force?
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
Sorry Addison. It is very much black and white
c17wife (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:36AM EST (link)to me. In fact, I see very little gray area at all. Given the government the uneducated, uninformed masses just gave us, I’d suspect this ditch is going to get much wider. For those that thought Barack was going to bridge that gap, I hope you aren’t holding your breath. From what he, Nancy, and Harry are showing early on, I don’t think we are going to be seeing any Kumbayah anytime soon.
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
Students will need some history of philosophy first to understand what Locke Smith etc were responding too. nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:52AM EST (link)nt
Jack Savage, Good Books I'd...
Wubbies World (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 3:18AM EST (link)… recommend would be:
The Heritage Guide to The Constitution, editorial Board Chaired by Edwin Meese III. – It is a book in which 100 Legal Scholars provide an examination of the Constitution line by line. They stress the original intent of the Framers, including the notes at the Constitutional Convention by James Madison, The Federalist Papers, and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story’s 1833 book “Commentaries on The Constitution of The United States”.
The other book I strongly recommend is:
American Conservatism -An Encyclopedia. It is edited by Bruce Frohnen, Jeremy Beer, and Jeffrey Nelson. It contains essays from over 200 leading Conservative Scholars who cover individual schools of thought in the Conservative movement since World War II, so as to include the intellectual underpinnings of those philosophies.
If your going to teach a class in it, I would definitely consider these books. These two books get to the heart of Conservatism without assigning 30 seperate books. It is all condensed down here.
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Good lists throughout the responses
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 6:40AM EST (link)The Viking Portable Library put out a nice anthology edited by Russell Kirk called The Portable Conservative Reader that I’d recommend for a brief overview. It will hit most of the important names. I second the earlier recommendation of God and Man at Yale as Buckley generally shares with Goldwater credit for founding the modern conservative movement. For Reagan, if you can find a copy of it I like In His Own Hand, which is mostly a compilation of the note cards he used to make his 5 minutes speeches well before he became president. It is both a slightly different take on how to present material, and instructive about how he had well developed thoughts about what he our country ought to do long before he was elected, and his policies and speeches after his election followed from them. But that may be because I still mostly recall the left always deriding him as an amicable dunce or the actor reading the lines he was handed by his handlers. Now that he is dead and they all agree he was brilliant and the patron saint of our pre-August economic collapse, maybe that isn’t as important any more.
What? No Mencken?
vernonia Friday, November 21st at 7:12AM EST (link)Baltimore’s greatest sarcast deserves a spot.
Nothing feeds the conservative soul quite like mocking the state and its apologists.
Dave Ramsey in 2012!
the portable conservative reader by Russel Kirk
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 7:21AM EST (link)The conscious of a conservative by Barry Goldwater.
I would not get into Buckley for a class, as his writing is thick and not always easy to understand.
Also, a very valuable book might be “Reagan in his own hand”. Letters and speeches which Reagan wrote that lay out a very clear conservative message on a variety of issues.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
sorry Gadfly didn't see your post
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 7:23AM EST (link)I posted the same recommendations, great minds think alike.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Thanks wubbie
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:02AM EST (link)One of the things I have struggled with as this idea formed in my mind was the idea of a textbook, with the reading list assigned if a student wanted to do more reading on a particular aspect of conservatism. I will check into these books – sounds like they may fit the bill.
Wouldn’t it be exciting if this formed the genesis of a conservative study movement across the country?
This has been mentioned to me a couple of times
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:05AM EST (link)I am really looking for a book or two to serve as textbooks while we work our way through this class. I will check this out.
well if you are looking for a textbook on conservatism
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:08AM EST (link)you might have to write it yourself!
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Maybe you are a conservative mollyp
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:13AM EST (link)And just won’t admit it.
The difference between liberalism and conservatism is as clear as a bell, and I agree with c17 that it is black and white. Of course moderates can, and do, lay claim to both schools of thought, depending on what day it is or what mood strikes them.
However, that is like celebrating Christmas and Hannukah with equal enthusiasm. You can certainly do it, but the underlying principles just don’t mesh.
ok jack here are a few more
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:20AM EST (link)I have not read these, except the last one.
Upstream: The Ascendence of American Conservatism – Alfred S. Regnery
The making of the American Conservative Mind – Jeffrey Hart
Conservatism in America since 1930: A Reader – Gregory Schneider
Free to Choose – Milton Friedman
that last one is the primary book that propelled me to my own conservatism.
Interestingly, my college Roommate, at the same time also began to call himself a conservative/libertarian after reading Ayn Rand. So it really does not matter where you start, as long as you cover the major issues of the individual vs the collective.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
there is also some confusion on whom we call moderate
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:27AM EST (link)I am a fire eating arch conservative on most issues but because I dissent from pure conservatism as it is found today on a few relatively minor issues, I have been called a moderate.
Just because you don’t agree 100% with Rush Limbaugh, or think that sometimes even good movements can go too far, does not make you a moderate.
A moderate is a person like Brooks, who really has no anchor of personal belief, since they believe in nothing they will fall for anything. I actually have more respect for a radical like Kos or micheal moore, at least they believe in something.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
A (small) contribution to the list, and a request
Silvurbullitt (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 8:55AM EST (link)Jack, I’ve found in reading C.S. Lewis’ non-fiction that many of his arguments in the realm of civics and society smell very much like fundamental conservatism. I especially recommend a speech called “Why I am Not a Pacifist” currently published in “The Weight of Glory, and Other Sermons.” You may find some of Lewis’ insight adds some spice to the writings of the heavy hitters and fathers of conservatism recommended by others.
For the request: once you refine your reading list and syllabus, will you post it in another diary so I (and others, I’m sure) can further benefit from your labors?
molly....I don't think any of them would do a good job...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 9:36AM EST (link)That’s why I am a republican…because I believe Democrats are failures in terms of their policies.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
I agree with the C.S. Lewis inclusion
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 9:54AM EST (link)And we will definitely post the results (watch for EPU especially).
A little advice for you: don't overwhelm your students, start out with small bits
Cheetah772 (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 10:25AM EST (link)I am not a teacher, but few times I did teach about a certain topic, some of students were overwhelmed by so much details I’ve tried to cram down their throats.
Don’t do it my way, that was a mistake I’ve come to regret.
If you want to teach about conservatism. You’ll have to start out with its basic tenets, so that mean you don’t use dense language or textbooks that look like Mount Everest to climb over.
Keep in your mind, we’re talking about modern society, nobody wants to know about Edmund Burke, Locke, Tocqueville, etc. You should use historical figures who relate to today’s modern, hot issues. Since economy is today’s top issue, use Hamilton versus Jefferson as the starting point.
I’ve found it quite simple to use the following format to start off teaching on anything:
Use visual aids, so that will help you to move along on different points and may help your students to understand more clearly.
I think students will enjoy your teaching if they know how it applies to their lives. Otherwise, telling the history of conservatism does no one any good, because one wants to relate history to their lives. Make Conservatism an interesting subject!
On a final note, it is my strong suggestion that yoou start off with modern conservatives who are well known in media. That way, you can use it as a foundation to build upon, by tracing its lineage back to famous historical figures, and try to stick with America only. Conservatism by its nature is probably a difficult subject to teach.
I think that’s all I can type at this point. Go out and have fun teaching your students!
Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.
Well Hermes, I think "all of the above"
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:01PM EST (link)I think I would like for it to answer some questions, with the big one being “why do we believe what we believe?”. It seems to me that you have to have some philosophical underpinnings, some history (particlularly of how these underpinnings produced the great documents of the founders), then a focus on modern conservatism.
For me the focus would be on the basic principles that set us apart. For me, it is an explanation of how the world actually works – what is written on our hearts as humans.
I am not sure that I would agree that all different branches of conservatism would be all that different – I guess this would be an attempt to verbalize and explain conservatism, how it is different than other schools of thought (Marxism, Socalism, even Libertarianism), and how it applies to our daily lives and political life as a country.
Well
Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:19PM EST (link)That is still kind of broad and I would hate to swamp you with overspecialized material for something this general.
Having said that, I would recommend that you at least skim the following so that you may better answer questions about conservatism:
The Morality of Everyday Life
Socialism
(both by Thomas Fleming)
Natural Law: the Basis of an Orderly Economic System
(by Alberto Piedra)
The Servile State
(by Hillaire Belloc)
The Outline of Sanity
(by G.K. Chesterton)
Nicomachean Ethics
(by Aristotle)
“The Original Contract”
(essay by David Hume available online or in Hume anthologies)
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity
(by James Fitzjames Stephen also available online)
If you want to understand the radical leftward turn that conservatism has taken since 1989, read anything by Leo Strauss who started it all.
Oh, forgot a few
Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:31PM EST (link)I would add these, as well:
After Liberalism: Mass Democracy in the Managerial State (by Paul Gottfried)
The Managerial Revolution
Suicide of the West
The Machiavellians
(all by James Burnham)
"radical leftward turn that conservatism has taken"?
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:34PM EST (link)Hermes, it’s just my opinion, but I think it’s the Republican Party you mean, since 1989, which I wholeheartedly agree with, that has taken a radical leftward turn.
I submit that conservatism remains the North Star, unchanged, unaltered, always a beacon to those who look – just ignored by the majority of Republicans, especially the elected variant.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Or blonde stewardesses at 5 paces
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 12:41PM EST (link)Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Well, Jack
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 1:03PM EST (link)You were hoping to get a bundle of ideas to work with, a little input, some ideas on reading and study material. I’d say you got a whole feast of things to work with.
So if I might, a word of advice. Unless you are both unemployed and a Mario Andretti-style speed-reader, you can’t possibly read even 1/10th of the suggested materials in any kind of time frame that is practical for getting started.
For the moment I would focus on those things suggested that are compact and give a mix of different viewpoints. I would toss in at least ONE practical-application book. So for the moment, a little wider than deep. I’m a known Russell Kirk flack so take this with a grain of salt of course.
For a quick crash-course in modern American conservatism to get you ready to teach, I say:
Consume these, I think you have your foundation and plenty of teaching material. Many, many others are great as well, it is very tough settling on just a few.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Blonde, Brunnette, Redhead...
Joe_Schmo (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 1:07PM EST (link)Don’t be getting picky in your old age…
true, true
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 1:28PM EST (link)And since momentarily I can’t run fast enough to catch them…..beggars can’t be choosers.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Include a fusion conservative
Herodotus Friday, November 21st at 1:59PM EST (link)Who was the big fusion conservative from the 1960’s? He would be good to include.
Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.
http://www.americansolutions.com/
Yes and no
Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 2:02PM EST (link)For the most part, yes you are right, the GOP is the primary beneficiary of left-leaning “conservatives.”
On the other hand, the acceptance of statism, multiculturalism, and other bolshevik nonsense has infected “conservatism,” too. So-called conservative national names:
Bill Kristol (trotskyite)
David Brooks (Eurosocialist troll)
David Frum (Eurosocialist troll)
Max Boot (trotskite)
Alright, let’s just say darn near everyone who writes for National Review.
And most of the Bushies.
Any “conservative” who accepts the tenets of European social democracy is in complete self-denial as to their actual political beliefs. And that represents more than just a handful of prominent “conservatives.”
So I do think that conservatism as a whole has been poisoned by radical leftist ideas. Getting back to the roots is the only cure.
well OK then
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 3:18PM EST (link)I am of the opinion that we don’t call those idiots conservative.
Regardless, we are busy at RedState (and Human Events, and Heritage Foundation, and other places) restoring the name and redefining the terms back to what they meant in 1988.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Could definitely use your help Mike Friesen
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 7:49PM EST (link)I am going to do a preliminary outline next week in another diary, and would hope that you would help refine it as we go along.
I think the class will revolve around the five or six things that characterize conservatism, with that overview as the first lesson and more in-depth exploration (with excerpts from the excellent works referenced in these comments) in later lessons.
Some alternative thoughts
Rubashov Friday, November 21st at 11:59PM EST (link)I’ve thought about doing the same thing, and I guess I would use less of the recent American books and more of the classics. But that may just be a personal predilection; I use older stuff in the rest of my Poli Sci classes, too.
Unlike Addison, I like excerpting things because I don’t pretend that the excerpt is representative of the whole work. I can paint an broad picture of the book’s argument and its context in lecture much faster than the students could read it. Once I’ve done that for the students, then we dive into a small piece of it to discuss in greater detail. Moreover, I’m more concerned that the students confront important ideas than I am that they know “Burke said X” and “Locke said Y.” It works for me, at least. I also find that my students do respond to “old dead guys” as long as I show how it is relevant, but YMMV.
Burke is a tough slog for students (I’ve used it in class before), but as other commenters have said, there’s lots of good stuff there. Maybe just excerpt the “little platoons” part. Same with Tocqueville, but excerpting the “immense tutulary power” part. Or maybe the social capital part.
I don’t see Locke or Smith as conservative–I peg them as liberal (the original liberal, not the current sense of “progressive”).
I’d add parts of Machiavelli’s Discourses, particularly his discussions of virtue and civil-military issues.
Going back even farther, there’s a part of Thucydides where he talks about how the government of the middle (the men who own a reasonable amount of land, not the rich elite or the poor masses) is the best government–but that might require a long explanation of Greek politics that you don’t have time for in 8 weeks.
Cato was the original social conservative. You might find a speech of his (against the Catallines??) that talks about the decay of Roman morals. You might also pair this with a selection from Alan Bloom (where he talks about the 1960s in Closing of the American Mind).
My students are always pleasantly surprised when we look at the politics/religion connection through Bolt’s “Man for All Seasons.” You could also show the movie (since it is taken straight from the play).
This may sound odd, but I would use some Vaclav Havel (former Czech dissident and president). Maybe selections from his Summer Meditations. He offers an eloquent argument that respect for individual choice and individual diversity is compassionate, not amoral. He also connects faith and politics in a non-denominational way that can appeal to non-Christians.
To me, at least, the development of British Common Law offers a useful example of how conservatives see change and reform, so you might use Harold Berman’s work on the subject.
On the subject of law, Scalia had a book review in the magazine First Things about the origin of law that might be fun reading for students. It was short, intelligent, and provocative. I forget the exact cite, though.
On the subject of war, I use Thatcher’s Speech to the Bournemouth Party conference (I think that was the name) justifying the Falklands War.
Finally, Koestler’s Darkness at Noon is fascinating look at what happens when you reject conservatism entirely. Seductive and horrific at the same time.
I’d be curious to see what you end up using and hear how it went.
Frank Meyer - In Defense of Freedom
fogofwarre Saturday, November 22nd at 12:30AM EST (link)I’m dismayed that no one has mentioned him thus far. In Defense of Freedom is, to me, one of the most important works to have on this list. In part, it outlines Meyer’s disagreements with Kirk–who, although an incredibly important figure in the history of American conservatism, didn’t quite have a deep enough appreciation for the Lockean idea of liberty. Meyer shows that conservatism and libertarianism need each other to be truly complete. Freedom is meaningless without a belief in objective truth, but tradition and morality has no worth if it is not freely chosen.
Just give the book a try– I don’t think you’ll regret it.
a few more suggestions . . .
jazzosopher Saturday, November 22nd at 8:42AM EST (link)I would like to also offer Magna Carta, The essay “I, Pencil” by Leonard E. Read, the Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand .
Reinforcing previous listings: John Locke’s Two Treaties on Government, Our founding documents plus The Federalist, The Law by Bastiat And the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.
Don’t forget the 10 Commandments and additional writings in both the Old and New testament as much of what we “used to be” flowed to us from our Judeo-Christian traditions. Especially as it relates to the “Circle of Trust” as it relates to our national motto “In God We Trust”. I blogged a little more here: http://www.harangue.org/2008/11/circle-of-trust.html
Lastly, don’t forget about the evils of the alternative – vis-à-vis Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideology – which are not limited to the loss of personal freedom, abolishing personal property, or the loss of religious freedom. As a Q.E.D. I usually enumerate the “big ten” items that Marx listed were necessary to create a socialist state -
“ These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.”
Rick Richbourg
Jazzosopher
http://harangue.org
Sowell's Applied Economics is a nice unit study
GregInFla (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 9:48AM EST (link)As a homeschooling parent, I have always wanted to do a 6-8 week class on Sowell’s Applied Economics, spending one week per chapter/topic. My daughter will be a senior next year, and I think that will be a good time to teach it to her and her classmates at our homeschool co-op.
I had not thought of a Conservatism class, but Jack has my mind moving into high gear with this thread.
And having just about finished Liberal Fascism, I have to agree it can be the mirror for comparisons. I cannot decide whether you would weave chapters in during the Conservatism material, or hit the students with it at the end as a shock. And speaking of Liberal Fascism, had anyone else ever known about the Saul Olinsky influence on Hillary Rodham? That chapter on Hillary was creepy.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
what is great about Sowells basic economics and applied economics is...
kyle8 (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 10:09AM EST (link)they are not full of boring and hard to understand graphs and tables, they speak in plain language and offer Lot’s of real world examples.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
My $.02
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 10:31AM EST (link)I would submit that conservatism is grounded in the dignity, and consequent liberty and responsibility, of the individual. From that perspective, I think the following could be helpful:
Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle
1984, George Orwell
The Theme is Freedom, M. Stanton Evans.
An update for everyone
Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 10:48AM EST (link)These have been some of the most enlightening comments in one place I have ever read. This thread is on my Favorites list, and I refer back to it often.
Here is what I am going to do. Read. Read. And read some more. I am starting with the following:
I will be doing a second round of reading around the second week of December.
Kirk’s “Ten Conservative Principles” got read last night.
SI Conservative put it very well above when he said “I would submit that conservatism is grounded in the dignity, and consequent liberty and responsibility, of the individual.”
This is going to be an easy sell, folks. I can’t wait to start.
Next up: The outline of the class, and suggestions on how these books apply to each section.
How about this for an outline:
fogofwarre Saturday, November 22nd at 11:43AM EST (link)Not all of these sections will be of equal length, but I think it’d be useful to break things into chronological chunks:
Section 1: Before the Founding Fathers
The Magna Carta, Locke, and Burke
Section 2: The Founding
The Declaration, the Constitution (and original Bill of Rights), and the Federalist Papers
Section 3: The Growing Republic
Lincoln and Supreme Court opinions from the Four Horsemen
Section 4: Modern Conservative and Libertarian Thought
Part 1: Kirk and Buckley
Part 2: Hayek, Friedman, and Goldwater
Part 3: Meyer (Fusionism)
Section 5: The Reagan Revolution
Reagan and Bork
Conservatism or Civics?
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 12:25PM EST (link)Shouldn’t this be a class in civics? It’s really about the way that the US was intended to be, so arguably it isn’t just about conservatism but also civics in itself.
I love the idea, by the way.
The counter-example should be Marx & Engels, The Communist Manifesto.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Don't forget the anti-Federalists
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 12:40PM EST (link)They predicted many ways the Constitution would fail us and lead to the tyrannical government we have today.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
"Expelled" by Ben Stein is a good film on this
David123 (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 1:56PM EST (link)and what I found most compelling in the film was not the Darwinist/Intelligent Design controversy.
What is really chilling is:
the construction and maintenance of the Berlin Wall
and
descriptions of “Lebens unwertes Leben” – Life unworthy of Life. That is a very frightening philosophy.
David123
Which version
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 2:15PM EST (link)Jack
But which version?
As an engineer, trained in the scientific method, I could accept to some extent ID and other forms of thought that described something besides “it just happened”, but the new earth and literalistic approach is something that I have real trouble with.
Politically speaking, I would have a real problem ever voting for someone of any party or other views that publicly promoted that teaching a new earth literalistic version of creation in public schools.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Three contrasts
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 2:26PM EST (link)You ask: “Equality or Liberty, Social Justice or Tradition, Community or Individual?” as if they are all equally good. But they are not equal goods, not to a conservative.
I’d choose Liberty, Tradition, and Individualism without hesitation.
Here is the pragmatic and conservative “why.”
Liberty means freedom. If anything is opposed to Freedom, then it produces Freedom’s opposite: Slavery. If we all become slaves we are all equally abased. Where is the good in that equality? In addition, the creator bestows some with greater gifts than others. In order to level us all for an egalitarian society, the most gifted have to be penalized by the collective state. This destroys the total wealth of society. On the other hand, if we specialize and engage in a free market, thereby using the natural disparity of gifts with which we are all created, then the wealth of society overall, and of everyone in it, rises.
Tradition is not just for its own sake, but because gradual, experimental changes allow for testing and refining before they are accepted throughout society and become the new tradition. Tradition thus becomes a collection of best practices our ancestors assembled through hard work and struggle. Why throw centuries and millennia of experience away?
We were created Individuals by our Creator. We assemble into communities based partly on what we are at birth, and partly on what we choose through life. Without individual rights our ability to choose communities through life is fatally damaged. Without individual rights we all become identified and our course in life dictated by some other marker. In other words, the individualist society is a non-bigoted, non-racist society. The communal society is the opposite.
I’d also like to point out that socialism with no private ownership of property is not a perfect end state of history, but the original economic state in which cavemen dwelt. It was the first economic state, has always led to rule by strong-men, dictators, and tyrants, and it supported a life that was nasty, brutish and short. If we want to progress forward with human society, then we should always aim away from socialism to do so.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
What I want to do
Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 3:29PM EST (link)Is articulate the five or six basic premises of conservatism, blend them with the sort of timeline / outline you have given, show thier influence on our country, then contrast them with Marxism and all its foul relatives.
You can either
Nelsen (Diary) Saturday, November 22nd at 5:44PM EST (link)start back in history and progress to today like outlined above or, I would recommend starting with five or six current issues (economics, media, education, foreign policy, smaller government, social issues, etc). Once you’ve outlined each one, go into detail with the class into each one. Start with the modern issue today and work your way back in history highlighting when this issue came up, the important figures in the issue, the conservitive solutions that worked, and the liberal solutions that failed miserably.
Doing this with economics would be very effective. You can show how the nation was in terrible economic distress in the early 30′s and the late 70′s. Then contrast how FDR’s new deal resulted in prolonging the depression for another decade while Reaganomics resulted in the longest period of peace time economic growth ever. You need to make it clear how conservatism works and liberalism doesn’t.
Also, avoid turning it into a purely historical lesson. As a student I have to say that these get very boring very quickly. You have to bring up current issues and use history to explain why conservative solutions work and liberal ones do not.
Throughout the class, integrate the best and most relevant readings to expand on the issues. Also, make sure to use the Constitution and the Decleration of Independence to prove points.
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Herodotus Tuesday, November 25th at 3:47PM EST (link).
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A couple more
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 6:13PM EST (link)I recommend these two, as well:
Basic American Government by Clarence B. Carson, published by American Textbook Committee, Route 1, Box 13, Wadley, Alabama 36276 (1993). I seem to recall I bought this book through the Conservative Book Club.
Your American Yardstick: Twelve Basic American Principles by Hamilton Abert Long, published by Your Heritage Books, Inc., Lafayette Building, Indpendence Mall, Philadelphia, PA (1963). I bought this book at a second-hand book store in Sierra Vista, AZ way back in 1978. I don’t know if the publishing company still exists.
Thanks,
Dan
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