In Texas we like to say: (imagine hearing this with a strong West Texas twang) You can’t kill the snake until you get it out of the hole. Or at least that is what my Dad use to say. Perry was poking the snake in the hole. And why you ask?
Romney: [O]ver the last several years, 40 percent, almost half the jobs created in Texas were created for illegal aliens, illegal immigrants.
Perry: That is an absolute falsehood on its face, Mitt.
Romney: It’s actually…
Perry: That is — that is absolutely incorrect, sir.
Romney: Well, take a look at the study.
Perry: There’s a third — there’s been a third party take a look at that study, and it is absolutely incorrect.
So, who is correct? Where did Romney get his information for his TV spot?
Study pins much of Texas job growth on immigrants, but at least one expert sees flaws
Gov. Rick Perry has made Texas job growth a big part of his pitch to voters. Now an immigration research group says immigrants, legal and illegal, have been the main beneficiaries of the state’s employment gains since 2007.
More than half of Texas job growth between 2007 and 2011 went to immigrants, according to a study released Thursday by the Center for Immigration Studies, or CIS, a Washington, D.C., research group that supports lower immigration levels.
“Even though natives made up most of the growth in potential workers, most of the job growth went to immigrants,” said the report, written by Steven Camarota and Ashley Monique Webster.
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But what about the report’s substance?
The CIS report, which is based on Current Population Survey data from the U.S. Census Bureau, uses two distinct methodologies to measure how much of the state’s job growth went to immigrants between mid-2007 and mid-2011.
The first methodology compares the net employment increase with the number of newly arrived immigrants holding a job. By that yardstick, newly arrived immigrants accounted for 29 percent of the growth in Texas’ working age population (ages 16 to 65) between mid-2007 and mid-2011. But they accounted for about 81 percent of the overall increase in employment.
The second methodology compares the net increase in employment with the net increase in immigrant employment. According to that measure, the increase in the number of working-age immigrants accounted for 31 percent of the increase in the state’s overall working-age population between mid-2007 to mid-2011. But they accounted for about 54 percent of employment growth.
Pia Orrenius, an economist and immigration expert at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, called the first methodology “misleading.”
“You’re comparing gross inflows to net job creation,” she said. “You have to compare net to net.”
Orrenius said the second methodology was more reliable. As for finding that immigrants accounted for about half the employment increase, that’s “typical for the nation” she said.
The Texas Model: Who Really Gets Texas Jobs
A recent study claiming “immigrants (legal and illegal) have been the primary beneficiaries of [Texas’ job] growth since 2007” was inaccurate because it relied on flawed methodology.
The main contention in the study by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) was, “Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).” It goes on to assert, backing up its numbers with data from government sources, that, “…between the second quarter of 2007, right before the recession began, and the second quarter of 2011, total employment in Texas increased by 279,000. Of this, 225,000 jobs went to immigrants (legal and illegal) who arrived in the United States in 2007 or later.”
CIS also claimed that half of the newly-arrived immigrants were illegally in America. While a case can be made that these numbers are off using Department of Homeland Security data showing that the amount of illegal immigrants getting new jobs in Texas (60,000) was less than half number claimed in the CIS report (153,880), the greater issue was the flawed methodology that led to the report’s most widely-reported claim.
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Looking at the total number of jobs created in our dynamic and complex economy shows the fault of this claim.
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Using CIS’ methodology for counting the impact of immigration on jobs it might be said that immigrants were responsible for 169 percent of net business creation in Texas in 2007 and 2008.
Lastly, the CIS study notes that Texas’ current unemployment rate isn’t much better than the national average. However, it is important to point out that Texas has received an inflow of 781,542 domestic job seekers and their families in the past 10 years, with that number accelerating more recently. This has acted to inflate the unemployment rate in Texas. On the other end of the ledger, Americans moving to Texas in search of a better life have acted to reduce the unemployment rate of states such as New York and Massachusetts where 1,570,310 and 328,695 people, respectively, have moved out. This latter point has been largely ignored in the national debate about the impact on jobs that policies on taxes, regulations and the legal climate have.
So, while Romney was touting 4.7% unemployment in Massachusetts, what he neglected to say was that people were leaving Massachusetts in droves for greener pastures.
How can you trust a man who puts up smear websites with false & mis-leading information. Romney cannot be trusted.
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Nice screen grab of West Texas
retire05 Wednesday, October 19th at 3:07PM EST (link)with its rolling tumbleweeds and two lane highway.
Guess the Romney team has never been to Houston or driven down I-35.
Dishonest to the core.
retire05
One other problem:
retire05 Wednesday, October 19th at 3:12PM EST (link)the MA unemployment rate under Romney was never 4.7%.
It was 6.1% when he took office and 5.4% when he left office.
Perry for the same time frame took unemployment from 7.% down to 4.8%. Romney is trying to compare apples to oranges.
retire05
Lets not forget...Romney's job numbers come when the growth rate was +4%
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 9:41PM EST (link)Perry’s numbers include the worse economy in the last 50 or 60 years. And Perry’s job growth over the last year happened while the rest of the country was in the negative numbers
Where did you get that from?
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 2:47PM EST (link)Those numbers sound like imagineering
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Old adage:
Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 9:14PM EST (link)If you want to really know someone, make them mad. That’s when the real person comes out.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
bravo ''eius and 'guy, no need to go after gardeners. Mitt needs to be slammed
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, October 20th at 12:42PM EST (link)over this, RomneyCare, global-warming apologies etc.
I have forgiven Perry on the rotten personal attack. These are animals called politicians. Why I expected decent human behavior bespeaks of my continuing naivete that women find so appealing about me…smile
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
If it makes you feel any better, I don't believe...
APA Guy (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 8:30AM EST (link)you will see this sort of thing from Rick Perry on a consistent basis. This particular temperament was necessary at this stage of the primary process. He was getting nailed on a daily basis and other candidates were being allowed to skate on the inconsistencies of their own positions and records.
In any event, he accomplished his task i.e. to shake the rattlesnake out of his hole. Now he can blow holes in Romney’s record in the debates to follow and let Romney lose his cool. Masterful strategery IMHO
If it makes you feel any better, I don't believe...
APA Guy (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 8:30AM EST (link)you will see this sort of thing from Rick Perry on a consistent basis. This particular temperament was necessary at this stage of the primary process. He was getting nailed on a daily basis and other candidates were being allowed to skate on the inconsistencies of their own positions and records.
In any event, he accomplished his task i.e. to shake the rattlesnake out of his hole. Now he can blow holes in Romney’s record in the debates to follow and let Romney lose his cool. Masterful strategery IMHO
Texas, Jobs and Mindless Quotas
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 2:43PM EST (link)Quotas are not conservative. They are an inept or intellectually lazy means of assessment. If people are not committing crimes, we shouldn’t arrest folks just to meet a quota. And when everyone has a job, we don’t need to prioritize job creation or criticize the leader for “failing to create jobs.”
At the end of Mitt Romney’s term as Governor, MA had a healthy unemployment rate of 4.7 (below 4 becomes unhealthy). There was no job problem, and no need for an artificial “fix.” When Romney took office, the state faced a massive budget problem, which Romney successfully solved.
So why does Rick Perry point out that Romney didn’t create many jobs? Because many people are confused. We are now in a jobs crisis, nationally, and people are thinking in terms of the need to create jobs.
The only way MA could have created more jobs under Romney is if the population in MA had increased. But MA is the third most densely populated state, right behind RI and NJ. Texas has 26 times the area of MA. That means, unlike MA, Texas has room for sprawl (which it has seen in excess) – meaning cheap land for people as well as businesses building stores and factories, equaling jobs.
Logistically, TX is a frontier. And because of its central placement, varied climate and sophisticated urban variety, it is a hub. Combine this with its conservative laws (pre-dating Rick Perry) and built-in natural resources, and Texas is an obvious place for people to move.
Still, as Mitt Romney pointed out, a much higher percentage of jobs were created in TX under both Richards and Bush than under Perry. This may indicate that suburban TX is finally beginning to see some saturation after the massive population increase of the last 20 years.
The bottom line is that Texas has had room for bringing in new people. MA population has seen little change in 20 years, while TX has had a 40% increase in population over that same period. While Perry would like to take credit for job growth, especially since the recession, recent growth has been demonstrably chaotic rather than ordered. Just as Babe Ruth hit more home runs than anyone else but also struck out more than anyone else, when people have taken their savings and moved to Texas in the last 3 years, they have naturally generated some jobs but also been left with a lot of unemployment.
To illustrate the chaos which Perry takes credit for, consider that a year ago MA and TX had the same unemployment rate, 8.2% (Sept. ’10). Now, MA is down to 7.6 and TX is up to 8.4. Is this the result of Perry’s careful planning and micromanagement? If so, he has failed. If not, he should stop pretending to assume credit for the jobs situation in Texas.
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Nice try, but no sale.
gekster (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 3:01PM EST (link)While the population in Ma has stayed relatively the same, the population in Texas has increased 20.6% from 2000 to 2010.
And Romneys budget problem was solved by raising fees and taxes.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Like I said
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 4:03PM EST (link)MA is the third most densely populated state. Texas is a large and spacious centralized hub.
That means when MA has an unemployment rate between 4-6%, there’s not much room for adding jobs. Perry’s criticism amounts to demanding a mindless quota.
I don’t know why you want to get into taxes and fees, but, no, Romney did not raise taxes. You might be asking, “When Romney closed business tax loopholes, did it not have the same effect as raising taxes?” No, level competition ensures maximum value for the consumer. The law as originally written did not intend for the tax “breaks” in question to be legal. They were oversights. So closing the loopholes does not have the effect of raising taxes but has the effect of applying tax rates evenly, which is a fundamental principle of capitalism. If one business is paying less in taxes because of a loophole, the state is giving them an unfair advantage over their competitors. Because of this unfair advantage they do not need to offer as high of a quality of product or service in order to compete, which means the state is interfering in free market competition, and capitalism suffers. Romney repeatedly proposed tax cuts in MA, but the legislature wouldn’t go along with it. Lower tax rates are good, but applying tax rates evenly – without loopholes – is also good.
As for fees, they are not comparable to taxes. On the contrary, Romney saved millions of tax dollars by ending the taxpayer subsidizing of fees. A fee covers the cost for a special good or service provided to an individual by the government; when a fee is not high enough to cover the cost of the service provided, taxpayers end up subsidizing. Romney shifted the burden from the community onto the individual who benefits from the service provided.
Some exceptions critics like to make are refuted as follows:
Fuel fee. Romney updated an already existing per-gallon gasoline fee to offset state costs in managing underground fuel storage leaks. At the time, Romney faced a backlog of cleanup claims for the underfunded state program. It is true that in the years since this increase, the fee has generated more revenue than Romney had anticipated. However, this is due to wide fluctuations in the price of gasoline and in the corresponding consumption of gasoline.
Parking fee at state parks. The taxpayer was paying for the parking space. One parking space costs over 20,000 dollars, not including upkeep, re-pavement, snow removal, security etc. Facing a budget crisis, Romney realized the state could no longer subsidize public leisure. To provide the service, the cost shifted from the taxpayer to the individual who chooses to use the service.
Gun permits. First, when Romney did his update it only raised the fee to $75. The legislature later brought it to $100, which Romney compensated for by ordering that people not be charged for replacing of lost or stolen permits – prior to that, people had to pay the fee again. Romney also signed a law allowing permits to expire after 6 years instead of 3.
Inflation was also relevant, but unlike most of the fees Romney updated, inflation was only a secondary factor for these increased state costs. The MA gun control act of 1998 declared that the licensing authority is only allowed to keep half of the fee, and the rest goes into a new record-keeping fund. The act also institutes a number of other changes which raise overhead and impacted costs. The people are ultimately responsible for this new fund and all the new regulations and overhead, since they elected their representatives. Thus, the people collectively chose the cost of providing the service.
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Call em fees or taxes, it's taking money from people.
gekster (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 4:29PM EST (link)And to balance the budget he raised the amount of fees and taxes,
And the cuts he made to his budget had a ripple effect that raised taxws on the people in MA.
I posted to you before, with no response from you.
After you read this, post somethiung that resembles it about Perry.
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Romney supported raising various fees by more than $300 million, including those for driver’s licenses, marriage licenses, and gun licenses.[81][90] Romney increased a special gasoline retailer fee by 2 cents per gallon, generating about $60 million per year in additional revenue.[81][90] (Opponents said the reliance on fees sometimes imposed a hardship on those who could least afford them.[90]) Romney also closed tax loopholes that brought in another $181 million from businesses over the next two years and over $300 million for his term.[81][93] These initial loophole actions, fueled by Romney’s sense of rectitude and in the face of conservative and corporate critics that considered them tax increases, won plaudits from legislators as an example of political courage.[93]
The state legislature, with Romney’s support, also cut spending by $1.6 billion, including $700 million in reductions in state aid to cities and towns.[94] The cuts also included a $140 million reduction in state funding for higher education, which led state-run colleges and universities to increase tuition by 63 percent over four years.[81][90] Romney sought additional cuts in his last year as Massachusetts governor by vetoing nearly 250 items in the state budget, but all of them were overridden by the Democratic-dominated legislature.[95]
The cuts in state spending put added pressure on local property taxes; the share of town and city revenues coming from property taxes rose from 49 percent to 53 percent.[81][90] The combined state and local tax burden in Massachusetts increased during Romney’s governorship but still was below the national average.[81] According to the Tax Foundation, that per capita burden was 9.8 percent in 2002 (below the national average of 10.3 percent), and 10.5 percent in 2006 (below the national average of 10.8 percent).
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They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Hi Gekster
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Friday, October 21st at 10:03PM EST (link)If I didn’t respond to something you said, I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t make a point of responding to everything.
You said, “Call em fees or taxes, it’s taking money from people.”
Every state raises fees to keep up with the cost of service. In MA, some fees had not been raised in a very long time. So Romney updated them. Not a big deal.
You said, “And the cuts he made to his budget had a ripple effect that raised taxws on the people in MA.”
Tax increases are never necessary. Saying that someone had to raise taxes is a liberal talking point.
You said, “After you read this, post somethiung that resembles it about Perry.”
Sure. Make sure to watch the video too.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Will-no-tax-increases-in-TExas-just-mean-highers-fees-charges-113639029.html
Facing a $10 billion gap in 2003, the Republican-controlled Legislature balanced that budget as Gov. Rick Perry recalled Tuesday speaking to senators.
“And as we did back in ’03, we’ll balance the budget this time too, setting priorities, making tough decisions and not raising taxes,” Perry said.
But, what Perry didn’t mention is how lawmakers in 2003 deregulated college tuition that shot up 72 percent since then, according to the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, and slapped on $2.7 billion in new and higher fees centering on health care and vehicle regulations.
According to the Texas Comptroller’s office, among some of the bigger fee hikes were up to $1,000 more per teacher in health insurance premiums that raised $711 million.
Also, there were the $30 traffic ticket fee forecasted to bring in $271 million and a $20 fee on motor vehicle transfers budgeted to raise $200 million.
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
That argument don't hunt
Shaggy_DA Friday, October 21st at 7:43PM EST (link)Shifting the cost of parking in state parks to the users sounds great. The people getting the benefit shoulder the cost. Problem is, the cost was being taken out of one pot (general taxes by the Mass taxpayers) and put into a new pot made up of entirely new fees. The first pot is never credited (through reduced taxes), so Romney implemented a net increase in payments made by the taxpayers to the government. You can’t hide that increase behind the platitude of “those who are using the service are the ones paying for it.”
Gun permits – the fee was increased, twice. Once by Romney and then again by the legislature. Replacement of lost or stolen permits represent such a small percentage of the overall number of permits issued that to call that a compensation (as if it would offset the increased fee) is laughable.
Your argument on the fuel fee generating additional revenue due to wildly fluctuating prices only makes sense if you suspend the economic reality that as price increases, demand and therefore consumption decreases.
On your inflation paragraph, people wanted more bureaucracy which drove up costs, but Romney is not to blame since the people elected him and the legislators. Um, what?
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“Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.” – A. Lincoln
Shaggy,
Ryan Larsen (Diary) Saturday, October 22nd at 1:39AM EST (link)You said, “Shifting the cost of parking in state parks to the users sounds great. The people getting the benefit shoulder the cost. Problem is, the cost was being taken out of one pot (general taxes by the Mass taxpayers) and put into a new pot made up of entirely new fees. The first pot is never credited (through reduced taxes), so Romney implemented a net increase in payments made by the taxpayers to the government”
First, Romney turned a 3 Billion dollar budget deficit crisis into a surplus. Second, he did not spend the surplus, he put it in a rainy day fund and tried to give back to the taxpayers most of the 240 million which he estimated had been raised by fees, starting as soon as he began to turn around the economy, prompting the liberal Boston Globe to complain after Romney’s first year in office, “The first signs of life appear in the Massachusetts economy and the governor calls for a $225 million tax cut” (“Romney’s Real Agenda.” The Boston Globe 11 May 2004).
You said, “Gun permits – the fee was increased, twice. Once by Romney and then again by the legislature.”
That’s what I said.
You said, “Replacement of lost or stolen permits represent such a small percentage of the overall number of permits issued that to call that a compensation (as if it would offset the increased fee) is laughable.”
That’s part of the compensation. The other thing I mentioned is that “Romney also signed a law allowing permits to expire after 6 years instead of 3.” By only citing one of the things I mentioned, I get the feeling you might be trying to misrepresent what I said. I’m interested in honest discussion. Are you?
You said, “Your argument on the fuel fee generating additional revenue due to wildly fluctuating prices only makes sense if you suspend the economic reality that as price increases, demand and therefore consumption decreases.”
Thank you for correcting me on that. I didn’t look closely enough at what I was pasting (from what I had previously written at WhyRomney.com). The initial costs, caused by the backlog of claims, were not representative of future costs, due to improved storage tank quality. So that was a mistake, however I think the important thing is that Romney did not spend the surplus but tried to return it to the people.
You said, “On your inflation paragraph, people wanted more bureaucracy which drove up costs, but Romney is not to blame since the people elected him and the legislators. Um, what?”
The Act was from 1998, before Romney ran for governor.
Incidentally, Romney eventually replaced that act with a much more conservative gun bill. Sadly, critics mischaracterized that bill as a new “assault weapons ban” in MA, even though it was actually a downgrade, supported by the NRA:
“While not perfect by any means, this bill represents a step forward for gun owners in Massachusetts … Despite the efforts of some (including The Boston Globe) to spin this bill as an extension of or creation of a new “Assault Weapons” ban, the bill makes no net changes to the Commonwealth`s laws regarding those types of firearms” (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=1149)
“To be great is to be misunderstood” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Forward to RickPerry's book - written by Newt Gringrich
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 22nd at 12:03PM EST (link)Newt Gingrich: Rick Perry’s book “almost came too late” [Foreward to "Fed Up!"]
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
South of border, Romney's Mexican roots run deep
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 22nd at 12:07PM EST (link)South of border, Romney’s Mexican roots run deep
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Gov Romney would do well to call a truce on attacking Perry on immigration
circlegranch Monday, October 24th at 8:11AM EST (link)Politico reports this morning that the LA Times has delved into RomneyCare, signed into law in ’06. Mr. Romney supported the provision, “Health Safety Net” which was written to provide access to MA healthcare for not just the poor and uninsured, but extends to “undocumented immigrants” as well. Under the Health Safety Net in MA, uninsured undocumented immigrants can go to any healthcare facility and obtain healthcare services for virtually no cost, no matter their citizenship status.
States are required by the federal govt. to provide healthcare and education to children. Romney’s Health Safety Net was likely in response to a failure of the fed’s to secure the borders and enforce immigration laws. Hmmm……….sounds like Perry’s rationale for instate tuition for illegals.
One could no more assume that providing education is a ‘magnet’ to illegals than one could assume providing healthcare is a magnet. Both privileges could well be interpreted as a benefit to a family coming across the border.
It’s time for Gov. Romney to drop an argument he can’t win. He and Gov. Perry are far closer on this issue than he cares to admit. Both these candidates need to turn their wrath toward the Fed’s. It’s a situation that presidents and folks like Bachmann, Gingrich, Paul and Santorum that serve or served in Congress failed to do anything about for decades. It should not be an attack against fellow governors in this campaign.