Back when I was a student of political science, we spent a lot of time discussing the bell curve theory of American politics. The idea was simple. Americans are supposedly arrayed along an ideological spectrum. The vast majority of voters are in the center, while small numbers lurk out at the edges. So, the theory goes, the winning party will be the one that finds a candidate to plausibly occupy the center position.
I think that theory is out the window.
There is no way rational voters could have looked at the choice offered by John McCain and Barack Obama and concluded that Barack was closer to the ideological center than McCain. Obama had no record of cooperation with Republicans. McCain has passed major legislative packages with Democrats. Obama has never broken with his party other than to go left of his party. McCain has regularly broken with his party to move in with centrist coalitions.
Yet, McCain was beaten soundly.
I suspect that voters are not really rational centrists.
I think voters are highly emotional and I think they are often looking for a narrative they can understand. Barack Obama appealed to both of those things. Disgust with Bush as the author of a long, expensive Iraq adventure that even if effective, feels like castor oil going down. Anger at the economic problems that seem to have no bottom of late. And the narrative, of course, is the candidate of hope. The one who can bring us together, heal wounds, and importantly, who is not a Republican like George W. Bush.
Goodbye bell curve. May political consultants and party bosses everywhere cut you loose.
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I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:33PM EST (link)McCain also ran to the right when the election came around while Obama ran to the center. The reason for this is pretty obvious; Obama had his base sewn up (PUMAs not withstanding) and was appealing to moderates while McCain had a shaky relationship with his base.
Obama has shown
UncommonRight Wednesday, November 5th at 6:33PM EST (link)Obama has shown the power of simple symbolism. He gave the people what they wanted. He is the anti-bush. He speaks well, hates war, and says he loves the working class.
We were reminded last night of the power of passion and emotion. There is no rational argument for Barack Obama. But who needs rational thought when you can scream ‘yes we can’ and hear the roar of a crowd do the same?
Whoever emerges as the next Republican nominee (and every Republican candidate for any office) better know how to speak, how to inspire, how to be a symbol.
Because every candidate from the Left for the rest of time is going to try and emulate what Obama just did.
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No but the bimodal model still holds...
Jlerner Wednesday, November 5th at 6:35PM EST (link)If the plurality of Americans are either center right or left, then these results make perfect sense. The Bell curve (model, not great book by Charles Murray) never accounted for the closeness of some, but not others, in the intermediate between 1980 and 2002.
People are less educated
Beto_Ochoa Wednesday, November 5th at 6:54PM EST (link)Products of broken homes. No real curiosity.
Reading and phonics tossed out in 70′s
Too many broken traditions to list
Too much broken trust in the system
Too much corruption
Too much Ganja.
Too much beer.
On and on…….
Occams Razor
ephillips Wednesday, November 5th at 7:02PM EST (link)Umm. If you’re truly a rational thinker, you’ll recognize there is a much simpler explanation that doesn’t require you to invalidate an entire theory or to invoke a preposterous statement like ‘I suspect voters are not rational centrists’. I guess you didn’t vote?
That is: you must be farther from the center than you would like to believe. The Bell Curve theory is fine and it’s telling you that. Even if the distribution is more accurately described by a bimodal curve, there is still an average and a median in a bimodal distribution. The ‘center’ is, by definition, where the median lies.
Maybe we should split the Republican party into 2 parties: The Rv1 party, who are Republicans who believe that their views define the center, and the Rv2 party, who are Republicans who believe the center is where the median is.
Indeed. Emulating Obama
RoxannaDanna (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:02PM EST (link)is like emulating a charlaton or a snake oil salesman.
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fairtaxchad Wednesday, November 5th at 7:13PM EST (link)The average voter just votes for who they like.
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What do you tell someone that likes Al Franken?
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:18PM EST (link)My best friend is jewish and has always been a fan of socialism because it shares the wealth. He likes Al Franken and Obama and has never liked Bush. We get along because we respect each others viewpoint. But when he said he liked Al Franken because he was funny I did not have a George Carlin like comeback to answer him.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
It has been 30 years since the last touchy/feely presidency.
phred (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:19PM EST (link)Don’t underestimate the power of the American electorate to realize that the mommy party makes one feel all warm and runny, but the daddy party will have its time again and the country will be screaming for it like they did in 1980.
Liberalism: Equally shared misery.
I don't buy that theory
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:25PM EST (link)People have been saying the coming generations are worthless since there have been coming generations.
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Too Much Introspection
Indy Wednesday, November 5th at 7:32PM EST (link)First, the voters in this election were just plain outright uninformed. If they really knew what Obama stood for, they would not have voted for him. The media in this country is simply nuts. My friends on the right always told me that, but I didn’t believe it until this election. I am sure others came to this realization too (highest ratings for Fox News, Drudge, etc.). The problem is that still not enough people know who Obama is, or that Bush is NOT Satan’s Twin (if you read the NYT, you will believe that). Second, the real problem the Republicans have is that they are NOT the party of small government anymore. Obama ran on Bill Clinton’s balanced budget record. Being a charlattan, he managed to convince people that he was going to do the same. Third, Republicans need to be principled. John McCain should have opposed the bailout. He should have said “no handouts”, but the govt. will invest in the banks and allow them to work their problems out. The govt. will make money (like it did in Chrysler) and intervention would be limited. McCain did not do this. THIS is the point when he started losing support. He was actually up by a sizeable margin after the convention. He started losing support after his reaction to the bailout. If he were principled, he would have opposed the bailout. The majority of this country did. The bailout is simply as unAmerican as all your railing about welfare, govt. subsidies, social engineering, etc. When McCain supported the bailout, he was just another Washington hack. People lost interest in him at that point.
Are you guys young or dumb?
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:34PM EST (link)Here is the deal. About 35% of the electorate is HARD CORE lib or conservative. They will vote for their “banner” regardless of candidate. The 35s will go up or down a few points. For you math challenged, that leaves about 30%.
Another about 10% on each side are pretty reliable but some of those will move onto the 35s some will move onto the remaining 10% depending on candidate and current issue of most importance. EVERYONE in this 20% is a single issue or candidate image voter because these voters don’t add up the pluses and minuses.
The last 10% are the Jaywalkers and uninvolved. Pollsters call them undecideds becasue they are too stupid, ignorant or lazy to make up their frickin minds until something relatively unimportant clicks with them.
The unfortunate aspect of this is that our presidents get elected by this floating scum that happens to reside in a few states.
On a bell curve, this scum is the center and what “clicks” with them is not a bundle of centrist issues.
Look at the numbers. Obama only got about a million more votes than Bush did in 2004. McCain got 6+ million less.
It wasn’t that the people wanted Obama, they didn’t want McCain. This is primarily because he is too old. As I said back in the primaries, what would you hire a 72 year old to do?
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COBOL?
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:44PM EST (link)(just kidding, fellow computer people…)
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
ummm... no, i don't think so.
Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:51PM EST (link)Not that I’ve ever read the books mentioned. People can be conditioned to act against their own self-interests. If it weren’t for the conditioning that has been an ongoing “experiment” in our schools and society at large, I believe the bell curve would still be applicable. We’ve often talked about the dumbing down of America which is accomplished through an operant behavior model, rewards or punishment. What is happening now is the product of that conditioning.
The bimodal curve might have some applicability now, however. Not sure if there is enough center right to give it a bimodal appearance. It may just be heavily skewed to the left now.
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In addition to that, he did not name names!
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 7:57PM EST (link)Things could have gone much differently if he had not been afraid or too loyal to his fellow senators.
Think about that – he promised in his acceptance speech that he would tell us about pork laden bills, but when this bailout came, did he tell us about the provision for ACORN? NO, he did NOT. He squandered a perfect opportunity to demonstrate how he would govern, and he showed us more of the same. Where was the Maverick? Where was the fight, fight, fight?
I was happy when he said he was going to suspend his campaign to deal with the crisis. I felt proud, but then he just fizzled. Maybe he could not have done anything, but he could have told us the truth about what was going on, and made attempts to inform us of all the other pork going on. He should have used the opportunity to truly inform America about the housing crisis, but he remained mostly mum. Again it just looked like he was covering for his buddies. I was really disappointed and lost faith in him. I still voted for him, because I simply preferred him to Obama. He could have really made a difference with those undecideds had he truly taken a stand. Even if he had decided to vote for the bailout, if he had handled it better.
I agree and Don't agree
antisocial (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 8:00PM EST (link)I agree on your theory about percentages. I thought majority of voters were looking to the government to get themselves out of their “crisis” world.
Here is what I think cost McCain:
1>Anti incumbency factor. Bush got blamed for everything not working/wrong. Republicans went into this with a huge disadvantage.
2>Americans have never seen socialism. They know the term but they don’t realize what it is actually like. So socialist term did not work. Especially when McCain was himself offering to buy bad mortgages. I have no clue who gave him this horrible idea.
3>He should have rejected the bailout right from word go citing tax payer money.
4>McCain campaign was incompetent. Remember his campaign had 5 months lead in terms of time. Their ground game was poor.
5>The fund raising for McCain was poor. McCain was on defense in red states. Except for PA nowhere was he on offense.
If only McCain had better people running his campaign it could have been much close. In these times (anti Bush / economy) there was no candidate better than McCain.
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"there was no candidate better than McCain"
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 8:16PM EST (link)ROFLMAO!
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The numbers
hodge Wednesday, November 5th at 8:39PM EST (link)Obama is actually currently sitting at about 1.8 million votes more than Bush in 04. With voter participation projections sitting at 133 million, both McCain’s and Obama’s numbers will go up some. In regards to the bell curve, perhaps the curve has shifted to the left….. What is interesting is the number of votes Obama received from the younger/first-time voters. It will be interesting to see if this voters stay Democratic.
Precisely ...
Indy Wednesday, November 5th at 8:47PM EST (link)I expected him to come to the debate and tell us that he would support the bailout package because all experts and advisors are saying that it is good for the country. However, his strong preference would be for an investment style bailout. He should also have told us about the pork. He could have said “this is how Washington works. This is what we need to change.” People would have been outraged. They would have stood behind him. But he did not. He just fizzled … and his support among the voters fizzled too. At that point, it was a choice of voting for one socialist over another. I still voted for him because I think Obama is going to be a disaster. However, I can see why a lot of people would have decided to not to vote for him on this issue. I can see how a lot of people would have said “Let Obama screw up … it’ll be so bad that we’ll make a real comeback in 2012 with a proper conservative candidate like Reagan after Carter”. McCain lost on the bailout … not the economy, but how he reacted to the bailout
"Scum"?
Indy Wednesday, November 5th at 8:52PM EST (link)I am an unaffiliated voter. If you want to know why, you need to read George Washington’s farewell address to the nation. I do not consider myself “scum”. I research the issues. I look at the candidates. I do not follow glib speeches and rhetoric. McCain won hands down on all the issues. His biggest problem was his inability to explain anything coherently. He should have opposed the bailout. He should have said if we help them, it would be an investment style help (like Chrysler). He should have explained his mortgage buyback plan. It is actually a great plan, and it is based on market principles and it would have made the taxpayer money. Win-win-win. But he came across like a big govt. handout type with that plan. McCain LOST people because he could not explain himself. Period.
Good for health. Keep laughing...
antisocial (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 9:30PM EST (link)Please take that statement in context. I don’t believe anybody else could have done better from the candidates contesting the primaries. I my post I listed out reasons I believe he lost. “Age” is not one of them. I live in NY and my profession by nature involves interacting with people 24X7. NY is overwhelmingly democrat. I did not meet one person who mentioned “age” as a factor. And some of those folks did vote McCain.
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Wrong-o-matic
tankertodd (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:47PM EST (link)If the bell theory doesn’t apply then why did Obama make as a centerpiece of his campaign a TAX REDUCTION platform?
Why did California vote FOR a ban on gay marriage?
The bell theory depends on perfect information: voters know accurately which candidate stands where. For Obama we simply do not know where he stands. He changed positions like the wind changes direction.
This nation is still center-right. They also are easily duped. How many politicians break promises BEFORE the election and still get elected? At least this one.
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Exactly - if you are going to vote for a socialist, then why not the historically significant one?
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:05PM EST (link)I voted for McCain because I knew there was so much more at stake like Supreme Court Judges, but in reality, how hard would he have fought for us? He was part of that Gang of 14 nonsense.
This is Dead On
Decathlon_Man Wednesday, November 5th at 11:34PM EST (link)McCain did have a chance to turn the election – right at this moment. Dick Morris had it called dead on. Had he gone to Washington, rejected the socialism of the existing bailout bill, and sided with the House Representatives on a market-oriented bill, he could have turned the election.
He didn’t have it in him. He doesn’t have the soul of a supply sider. He is impulsive, media-driven, a deal-maker. He thinks of himself as Teddy Roosevelt. What we needed was Steven Moore.
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Every President has been elected on the premise of addressing the greatest weakness of the previous President
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 12:42AM EST (link)Nixon was corrupt, so the nation voted for Carter.
Carter was weak, so the nation voted for Reagan.
Reagan was seen as too tough, some Bush was elected as the kinder-gentler Reagan.
Bush had no empathy, so the nation voted for feel your pain Clinton.
Clinton had no personal ethics and was too slick, so the nation voted for Bush who was the opposite of slick and had strong ethics.
Bush couldn’t talk, so the nation voted Obama, a person who would not be painful to watch giving speaches.
The President after Obama is going to be all substance and no style in response to the weaknesses of Obama.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Scum floating on the surface without purpose
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 9:39AM EST (link)being blown by the breezes of incoherent thought processes.
“McCain won hands down on all the issues. His biggest problem was his inability to explain anything coherently.”
Well, evidently he explained them well enough for you to understand his postions. His prolific use of monosyllabic words was of great benefit to you, no doubt.
In short, you have told us that you prefer Obama explaining stupidity fluently to McCain’s explaining wisdom poorly.
I rest my case, Jaywalker.
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The bottom line is charisma and youth
DGaines (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 11:41AM EST (link)won this election for Obama. The new political reality of our day is that large numbers of people don’t vote on the issues – they vote on “feel”.
Younger voters and Hispanic voters in particular do not share the same history with many of those who honored and voted for McCain. Many of them were either unborn or not in the country during the Vietnam war.
I can’t tell you how many people I have spoken with (particularly the young) who voted for Obama because “he is cool” or “he is young” or “I like him better” irregardless of any position he holds.
In many states today personalities are every bit as important – if not more – than positions and we would do well not to forget it.