I continue to be stunned at this thing. I’ve heard a number of people describe Obama’s answer about abortion as thoughtful or professorial. Let’s take the answer apart quickly bit by bit.
First, he says the question of when life begins is above his pay grade. That is an astonishingly lame way to answer the question. You could say that about nearly any question of right or wrong. Pilate asked, “What is truth?” Any other above-my-pay-grader could ask, “What is justice? What is right? What is wrong? What are rights, really?”
Second, he gave the talking points of the party. Personal decision. In consultation with pastor, husband (which really isn’t their position), doctor. Not taken lightly.
Just apply that set of standards to doing anything else wrong. What about the decision to prohibit one’s daughter to marry a black man? “I made that decision after reviewing it with my spiritual advisor. It was very personal. Not done lightly. I’m sure you all can understand. The question of race mixing is really above my pay grade. Who can judge?”
The answer wasn’t thoughtful or professorial. The answer was relativistic and typical of the type of justifications we employ when we don’t want to deal with something tough.
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above his pay grade.
onlylewis Tuesday, August 19th at 10:21AM EST (link)First, he says the question of when life begins is above his pay grade.
Just another way of voting present like he did so many times in his state’s senate.
If he doesn’t take a side no one can pin him down. So he thinks!!
Michelle O
proud Tuesday, August 19th at 10:43AM EST (link)Where is Michelle O – the trusted advisor of Barack Obama and one of three people that he would seek counsel from if elected President? Shouldn’t the media be demanding that she exit her 32-day “cone of silence”?
Obama's academic answer
chemjeff (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 10:46AM EST (link)From one of the few conservative professors out there, I’m one of the people who thought his answer was academic or “professorial” in nature. That’s because it is – from his point of view. To them the question “when life begins” really is a theological and scientific question that politicians shouldn’t presume to pontificate about. But it doesn’t have anything to do with abortion because, to them, abortion isn’t about the unborn child, it’s about the woman’s rights. So of course he is trying to have it both ways. He wants to sound all serious and academic-like with his pompously lame answer, trying to persuade people that he really does think it’s not just another political issue but an important philosophical issue as well, but then he completely sidesteps the philosophical aspect of it all by just repeating the Democrats’ standard position. So there you have it: Obama, who, when confronted with an issue of substantial gravity, will ponder deeply, think long and hard, consult the top experts, and then…repeat the DNC line. THAT is Obama’s real “change” – to put an academic and serious face behind the Democrats’ traditional agenda. The change is merely repackaging.
Besides, he’s not running to be professor at Yale. He’s running to be President. Professors have the luxury of living outside the political fray and take years and years to complete studies. Presidents don’t.
If memory serves correctly
Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 11:03AM EST (link)When he said, “what you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me” he answered it in relation to a later question. Who is the least of our brothers if not those who have no say and no control over their own lives except by the will of someone with more power?
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Except
RJD (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 11:04AM EST (link)that the question posed to Obama wasn’t about life. It was, to paraphrase “When do human rights begin, in your view?”
This, a question of legality, should have been fairly easy for Obama – a legal scholar.
He couldn’t handle a legal question, much less one that would have actually been about morality.
Nor is consultation with Parents their position
Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 11:09AM EST (link)JE
Good point, but...
chemjeff (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 11:34AM EST (link)…to them they are not “brothers”. They are just blobs of protoplasm. They have no problem invoking religion to justify expansion of the welfare state but when some preacher uses religion to justify opposition to abortion… then, that’s a “troubling and disturbing view” that crosses the line between church and state. But quoting Matthew to justify socialized medicine is not? Give me a break.
Of course not, because parents are notoriously
janis (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 11:53AM EST (link)inept at deciding how to raise their own children these days, according to the Democrat party line. Hence all the interference by government. You don’t have to notify the parents of a child’s impending abortion as long as the proper authorities are cool with it. Parents? Pffffttttt.
Doesn't matter what "they" think.
Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 12:34PM EST (link)Obama quoted scripture. Scripture doesn’t support their view. Now, he can either not quote scripture to back up one point while eschewing another or he can apply the scripture to both points.
Abortion (or infanticide) is always going to be a sore subject. It’s an abhorrent practice but it’s older than American history and no matter how hard we fight it, it’s going to happen, will us or nil us. There are some atrocities in this world that we just have to accept are beyond our power to control without becoming as evil as those perpetuating the attrocities.
Now, while I can see their point of it crosses the line between church and state, doesn’t it also cross the line between church and state for the government to require those of us against it to pay taxes that are used to fund such practices?
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Bad example...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 12:41PM EST (link)Just apply that set of standards to doing anything else wrong. What about the decision to prohibit one’s daughter to marry a black man? “I made that decision after reviewing it with my spiritual advisor. It was very personal. Not done lightly. I’m sure you all can understand. The question of race mixing is really above my pay grade. Who can judge?”
Terrible example. Do you really want the government to make these kinds of decisions? If a person wants to be a racist and make personal decisions based on that, the government should stay the hell out.
What’s the alternative? Re-education camps?
Part of freedom is the freedom to be stupid.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Above his pay grade?
29Victor (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 12:41PM EST (link)He says that when a baby should get rights is “above his pay grade” but he’s pro-choice?
So he admits that he doesn’t know when babies should get human rights but then takes the position that abortions are okay?
“It may be a human, I don’t know, so… Sure, you can kill it.” That’s right up there with “I can’t be sure if Black people are human. Ummmmm. Wanna buy one?”
I thought he was supposed to be so darn smart. Either he hasn’t thought his position through or he’s lying.
I had that thought, too.
Hunter Baker (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 2:00PM EST (link)If you don’t know whether an unborn child is a living being, then the correct choice would be caution, not laissez faire to termination. Exactly right.
Author of The End of Secularism
She has done well for herself
paint_it_red (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 5:23PM EST (link)To go from requiring a staged chivalrous intervention from her husband Barack who said attacking her was off limits to go to his most trusted policy advisor.
I wonder what the liberals would have said if Bush had insisted attacking Rove was off limits?
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
Obama's weak on infanticide too
paint_it_red (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 5:27PM EST (link)In addition to opposing BAIPA, he has also opposed the partial birth abortion ban which he postures as necessary for “women’s health”. He simultaneously asserts that abortion should never be just for emotional reasons, even though he knows perfectly well that under Doe v. Bolton that’s what the law does.
Now most liberal senators get a little bit more latitude without coming across as a complete liar as Barack because they were not Constitutional law professors. He was, however, and so it is completely implausible for him to equivocate on this.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
Ouch.
itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 6:15PM EST (link)5
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
The wrong question
AnnaD Tuesday, August 19th at 8:12PM EST (link)Obama was not asked when life begins. He was asked when a baby gets human rights. It’s an easy, non-theological and non-biological question. The only possible answers are at conception, at viability (per Roe v Wade) or at birth (the physical separation from the mother). Of course, Obama would have to answer the question honestly and based on his support for infanticide, the honest Obama answer would have been Never.”
I liked Rush's idea
CV_Gas (Diary) Tuesday, August 19th at 8:14PM EST (link)that someone should ask Obama when did his daughters obtain human rights…
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