Back on August 13, I posted an open letter to Rick Warren asking him not to leave the abortion issue out of his candidate forum with John McCain and Barack Obama. He didn’t leave it out. Looks like my fears were unfounded. Good on you, Pastor Warren.
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Rick...nice name...He can do EVERY Debate, Townhall, Conversation, whatever
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:11PM EST (link)Full time election debate moderator
Obama is probably trying to figure out how to
Old_Crow (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:21PM EST (link)cancel all the debates. He came across poorly, hesitantl, and cherrless. McCain had some goood conservative answers and was witty and upbeat. Some powerful messages too, the POW stories, adoption etc went over well with the crowd. Warren did a good job.
“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
Glad to see he didn't avoid it.
NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:26PM EST (link)Sounds like the concerns were overblown somewhat. I’m glad to see he came through with a good forum for the candidates and didn’t shy away from any important issues.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
He didn't shy away
Brian Simpson (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:28PM EST (link)and I can see how he has been able to build a very large flock. He is a very compelling individual.
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Does gamecock get any apologies, kudos?
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:36PM EST (link)All I can say is that Warren was masterful beyond my wildest expectations.
I updated my blog:
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/gamecock/2008/aug/14/non-imposing-christian-evangelical-land-heali/
The keys that made this so successful:
1-The cone of silence
2-The exact same questions
3-The low key approach
more later
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Obama Inconsistency - Federal vs State
loosegoose2287 Saturday, August 16th at 9:36PM EST (link)It’s ok for a federal law/court decision to rule on abortion – but he CLAIMS he thinks states should decide on Marriage….EXACTLY the way abortion used to be dealt with.
Great format and great debate
Right_Again (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:37PM EST (link)I have remained stubbornly neutral towards John McCain. I know I won’t vote for Obama, but I have been on the fence about McCain. He pulled me his direction tonight. A wise VP candidate could get me all the way off the fence.
Rick Warren and his questions were both fantastic.
btw, not from you HB. I am referring to other cards in the deck
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:39PM EST (link)ace?
No, I was nervous myself going in. I just argued that we should not judge Warren before the fact and I was sure that he would ask about abortion.
I think what Warren taught me was how much more you can reveal to the non-junkie American voter by the low key approach.
People have seen Rev Wright. I think sometimes many of us, incl me, wants more to see our rage expressed than to simply allow others to learn what they need to learn their own way.
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I don't think I was too hard on him,
NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:39PM EST (link)but I’ll admit he did much better than I expected. So I’ll apologize for assuming the worst instead of expecting better.
You’ll have to go elsewhere for the kudos.
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Money, Money, Money...carry on
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:40PM EST (link)n/p
I now understand......
Ms. Underestimated Saturday, August 16th at 9:43PM EST (link)…. why Obama has refused to do the Townhall meetings with McCain so far. Because McCain would wipe the floor with him! As much as “my friend” grates on me a bit, Obama’s “uh, uh, ah, um, ah, well, um…” will be his downfall. He is NOT the orator people are claiming.
Yes, he gives a good prepared speech with a teleprompter, but if it’s unscripted, off-the-cuff, he truly sucks.
she's right beside me twisting in the devine night
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:44PM EST (link)hennie
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Come on Hunter...
danielsfpc Saturday, August 16th at 9:52PM EST (link)Hunter, it’s good of you to give Warren Kudos, but why the suspicion in the first place? Why the fear he wouldn’t? I don’t get this default assumption that Warren wouldn’t address abortion because of a press release. We evangelicals have a bad habit of assuming the worse and giving knee-jerk reactions, instead of keeping our mouths shut until we have something to confirm our suspicions.
You bet...
dbecraft Saturday, August 16th at 9:54PM EST (link)both his universal comments (hey, let’s support all voters) and his opaque answers would confuse too many…
McCain on the other hand, would clarify his position to his dismay… Hey, I would decline those type of debates also!
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Probably all the claptrap about all the evangelicals who supposedly
Bill S (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:55PM EST (link)support the Obamination.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Because we want to pressure Warren too
Anteater (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:57PM EST (link)to ask good questions.
And mostly because of the list of people
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 9:58PM EST (link)who were contributing to the questions.
Any boat with those folks in it should be sunk.
It's re-airing on Fox News
Adam C (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 10:06PM EST (link)starting at 11 PM. Just FYI for others who missed it.
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Did anyone notice about McCain
tex805 Saturday, August 16th at 10:18PM EST (link)He did not wear an American flag pin! What’s wrong with him?
General Honore was speaking about YOU
David Hinz (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 10:26PM EST (link)you know the line….
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It's lonely at the top, GC...
CSUFBomb (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 10:44PM EST (link)…but you made the right call in not condemning Rick Warren before the fact.
Warren may have some quirky humanistic sidetracks, but he’s still far more committed to faith and values than to bureaucratic coercion and moral equivalence. That makes him an ally, not an enemy.
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Must have not been sounded
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 10:55PM EST (link)And to think, many of our social conservative contingent here on RS could have sworn they heard the blare of the Snipe Hunting Horn signaling a fresh round of intolerance directed towards religious folks.
But stay ever vigilant for the sound of the Snipe Hunting Horn.
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I did a quick drive-by at Saddleback...
CSUFBomb (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 10:56PM EST (link)…several hours before the event and noticed an early 70′s pick-up truck, patched together with masking tape and a prayer. The tail gate had been replaced with a sign that said, “War Sucks!” – right above a Ron Paul bumper sticker. Not sure if the Paulnuts inside ever found a place to land and re-launch Ron Paul’s REVOLUTION 2.0, but I suspect they’re still driving around trying to figure out why King Paulnut wasn’t invited.
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you da bomb! thanks man - nt
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LOL - nt
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We went down to San Onofre to surf..Passed by Lake Forest
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:05PM EST (link)Traffic was good…Later tonight We are watching the slaughter….
the wife says, “Why didn’t we stop by…I really want to see barry..”
I just said calmly…”Box o Wine”..all better
Yes.
itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:07PM EST (link)Kudos to Rick Warren and Saddleback church. This was the most excellent candidate forum I’ve ever seen. I hate that nasty back and forth in debates. This is soooooo much more preferable for me.
I vote to never have another network debate. Just let Saddleback handle it all.
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Actually, I predict Obuffoon will do better in the "normal" debates
Bill S (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:16PM EST (link)They’re more suited to his pre-rehearsed schtick. All he has to do is memorize his responses and his one-liners…the odds of getting thrown a curveball are slim. As someone already said – this is why he refused McCain’s proposal for town hall meetings – he has to fly by the seat of his pants too much. Too bad, because “flying by the seat of his pants” is precisely what the POTUS must do every day. His failure to do well in that format is proof point number 1,236,318 that he is woefully ill-equipped to be the leader of the Free World.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
I agree. I was going to post this comment
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:23PM EST (link)but you obviously Vulcan MindMelded me. :>)
A couple of points.
1. You’re right, the questions will be more predictable because they’ll come from his campaign workers at MSNBC, etal.
2. They will be time limited which will make him – maybe – look less foolish while he tries to carve out an answer.
It wasn't Warren's personality
Commodore Saturday, August 16th at 11:23PM EST (link)or skill as a moderator. He didn’t try to control the discussion or make himself part of the story. He just asked tough questions and let the candidates reveal who they are by their answers. No timers, no interruptions, just question and answer.
It’s amazing how something so simple can be so effective.
McCain was as impressive as I have ever seen him. Obama revealed who he was, I could see the gears turning in his head when the questions were asked, trying to find the most pandering answer, trying so hard not to offend anyone. His answer on abortion was pure gobbly gook, and the idea that he has ever favored limits on late term abortions is a joke.
amen - nt
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Obama is a bad debater.....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:30PM EST (link)I agree, Mr. Underestimated, that Obama should avoid debates and town-halls like the plague.
I remember during the end of the Democratic primary, Obama refused to do any more debates with Hillary after his abysmal PA debate performance. I also remember her challenging him to Lincoln-Douglass debates, and him refusing. Now, he is avoiding town-halls with McCain–after this forum, I can see why. McCain cleaned Obama’s clock tonight.
Anyway, during the Democratic primary, I thought that Hillary was a really good debater. Now, I think that part of the problem is that Obama is a really bad debater. He is lost without a teleprompter.
You said it Panky!
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:41PM EST (link)What better place and who to ask the questions we all waited to hear asked.
Maggie in Indiana
See I knew I'd hear something
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Saturday, August 16th at 11:49PM EST (link)I missed. Rick just asked about Russia and Poland,Obama took so long in his bla bla bla he didn’t get that question(he didn’t go there) McCain got off the planned interview and Rick let him. KUDOS.
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Got one here early, Speciallist
blooch Saturday, August 16th at 11:50PM EST (link)It’s a baby…catch and release.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
There was a party goin'on...gotta make more noise than that
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I'd grade Warren out a 96%
Illinicon (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 12:01AM EST (link)He did a good job asking questions the MSM is too afraid or in the tank too ask. I think he could have proded more on Obama with abortion and both on them on taxes. Obama made it seem like he wont raise taxes on anyone making under 250k when in reality by his own answer that number is 151k. I went into it thinking it was going to be a Larry King type interview and I came out it thinking it was a near Russert interview.
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3. Gary Johnson
4. Rick Santorum
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2. Tim Pawlenty
3. Rudy Giuilani
4. Herman Cain
He mentioned his own counseling
jonlester (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 12:35AM EST (link)on the issue, from every angle, and I credit the man for the fortitude and dedication that requires.
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Who won the primaries again?
A_Morgan Sunday, August 17th at 1:20AM EST (link)Obama did. He clearly knows what he’s doing. The losers always demand more debates with the front runner. It’s not a new phenomenon. McCain would only get free publicity if he did town halls with Obama. Do you think anyone would care about this forum if Obama didn’t appear? It probably would have gotten little attention. McCain needs to latch on to Obama if he wants to get people to listen to him.
Contrast
MikeknaJ Sunday, August 17th at 2:15AM EST (link)The tone of this thread, in regards to Warren, is such a contrast to the previous thread where everyone was bashing him and/or doubting his. Nice change.
Glad that he did a good job and put those fears to rest. And glad that the answers of the candidates were so revealing.
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McCain wasn't wearing a flag pin
A_Morgan Sunday, August 17th at 2:15AM EST (link)that really bothered me
Why wasn't he wearing a flag Pin?
A_Morgan Sunday, August 17th at 2:18AM EST (link)I don’t think McCain loves this country as much as he says he does. This worries me.
I'd agree
A_Morgan Sunday, August 17th at 2:20AM EST (link)But, but to be fair, Obama said that 150,000 was the cut off for middle class, and that he wouldn’t raise taxes on those making less than 250,000. So that 150,000-250,000 would be considered the upper middle class?
Unsurprising: I'm sure that it infuriates people like you...
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 2:24AM EST (link)…that the American people don’t give Democrats the same instinctual trust on their patriotism that they do the GOP. Not that it ever upsets you people enough, I might add, to ever do anything about it.
Bye. I recommend a mouth guard for the teeth-gnashing, by the way; it’s only going to get worse over the next few months.
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J_Map (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 2:57AM EST (link)I’m right there with you. McCain demonstrated clear conviction to me tonight. Nominating someone for VP who has both talked the talk and walked the walk of their convictions will seal the deal.
This was an excellent forum
SirGladiator (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 5:10AM EST (link)It was a nice change of pace to actually have a fair moderator, instead of one who is in the tank for one candidate or another. The questions were relevant, to the point, very instructive, and he got a lot of good information from the candidates, not just talking points or memorized sound bytes. The candidates had to think on their feet, and as others have noted, this is not where Obama shines. Its perfectly reasonable, since he has so little experience, that he doesnt really understand the issues very well yet. McCain has served his Country most of his life and knows the issues intimately, because they are his life’s work.
If the GOP and the McCain campaign play their cards right, that Obama gaffe on abortion will be his undoing, that was a tremendous blunder indeed. To actually admit that he has no idea when life begins? That its ‘above his pay grade’? Thats just admitting what most people already knew, whether they wanted to admit it or not, that he just doesnt have the knowledge and experience to be President. The idea that he doesnt know when life begins, but whether they’re alive or not he’s perfectly content letting millions of children be killed if it means more votes for him, it just boggles the mind. Bill Clinton used to hide behind a nice sounding phrase ‘safe, legal, and rare’. Obama instead flaunts his pro-abortion position, which makes sense considering he actually voted against protecting children even AFTER they were born. This is the most pro-abortion major candidate for President in American history, and tonight the relatively thin veil on that fact was lifted, revealing that truth to the world. Great job Rick Warren, you did a great service to the American People, you showed them the truth. Well done sir!
If he was going to pander I wish he would hurry it up.
nogyro35 (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 6:28AM EST (link)“Obama revealed who he was, I could see the gears turning in his head when the questions were asked, trying to find the most pandering answer, trying so hard not to offend anyone.”
It must have taken him at least 15-20 seconds of “umm”s and “uhuhuhuhuh”s just to begin one of his long and Incoherent answers.
By the time he got around to pandering, I found myself distracted by such thoughts as…
“What is he staring at on the desk?” and
“I wonder how many of his students used to fall asleep during his class?” or
“Is the moderator struggling through this as much as I am?” or most often
“What was the question again?”
you and tex805, little troll
blooch Sunday, August 17th at 7:20AM EST (link)is that your seatwork in troll pre-K?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
This person questions McCain's patriotism.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 7:29AM EST (link)A man who served his country for decades at great personal and physical cost. A man who was tortured by his captors for serving his country. A man who refused to allow himself to be used as a propaganda tool by being released before his fellow prisoners……
And in his place this guy supports a person who regularly hangs with unrepentant America hating terrorists….
I question this person’s judgement.
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“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Hahahahaha
Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 8:07AM EST (link)You’re funny.
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Obama can't give everything he promises without raising taxes on everyone.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 9:02AM EST (link)A lot.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
The reason Obama's answer
Commodore Sunday, August 17th at 11:37AM EST (link)on abortion was a copout is because the line has to be drawn somewhere legally, our government can’t just pass the buck on to God when it comes to a legal definition of life.
Exactly. If it's above his pay grade
itrytobenice (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 1:54PM EST (link)How does he propose he will govern? If he can’t say when life begins, who gets the right to it? infants? teenagers? infirm? handicapped?
I say we keep him down in pay grade where his brain can answer the questions.
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Let’s eat, Grandma.
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Hunter Baker (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 4:38PM EST (link)I was absolutely suspicious, probably in part because I recognize my own desire to be liked and respected by people on the left and because I fear that evangelicals of various stripes will treat abortion and, say, environmentalism as equivalent issues.
What Rick Warren showed me is that he has integrity and that if he is going to do a candidate forum on issues that matter to people of faith, he’s going to do it right. I’m thankful and have posted the thanks as prominently as the open letter.
Author of The End of Secularism
good analogy - a laid back Russert
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, August 17th at 6:38PM EST (link)without the quote gotchas..
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson