Amen, brother.

And Pastor Warren, please do not forget that in making a decision as to whether to mention the slaughter of unborn children, they are the least of His brethren.

n/t

But do not hold your breath. I do not trust Rick Warren. I have read too much about this man and I am uncomfortable with his treatment of “scripture”
What you said was on the mark…but do not expect Warren to follow through. He is more of a “kumbaya” person than I think most people realize.
If he does follow through, I will really eat my crow…swallow my pride and apologize.

Good letter. I hope this letter comes to his attention and that he heeds your wise counsel.

“Open your mouth for the speechless, in the cause of all who are appointed to die.”

Your heart will be broken if you expect anything less.

Not bad. And well written, I’ll give you that. It’s going great until paragraph six when it starts, “however…”

But what I am reading is that Rick Warren isn’t going to throw out any hardball questions. Then you are asking Rick Warren to throw out a hardball question exclusively to Obama. You are probably disgusted that anyone would think abortion is a right choice and that’s fine. But when you walk the middle line you will see there are people on the other side who are completely disgusted with your ideas just as you are with theirs. It just seems that if we are going to bust Obama’s skull in front of a group of church goers about Obama we might as well start asking McCain why he cheated on his first wife etc etc. Kinda see where I am trying to go with that one. A good effort on your part and you have every right to stand where you do, but don’t hold your breath. =/

Hope RW heeds your call.

Well said.

I actually just posted a similar response here:
http://rhog.blogspot.com/2008/08/rick-warren-flirts-with-apostasy.html

Hunter, even if I completely disagreed with your position on abortion (and I don’t), I’d have to say this is an excellent letter. It’s well thought-out, well structured, and well-written. You hit exactly the right tone; firm without being confrontational. You explain why you have a legitimate expectation for the topic of abortion to be covered and ask him to do so in a clear and respectful manner.

I wish this kind of discourse was the norm in American politics.

quite enjoy watching Obama explain to the American people why he supports murdering babies after they have been born survived being aborted.

9 months in the womb’s not enough – you’re still not “human.” 30 secs. outside the womb? 5 minutes? 1 hour? 1 day?
I mean, a 6-month old baby can’t take care of itself. Expect for breathing on its own. Lets give new mothers a one-year, money-back guarantee. If, after 12 months, the “mommy-thing” doesn’t fit your lifestyle, you can toss your little nipper in the nearest incinerator and move on to the next best thing. chop-chop.

I’ve been to two different churches who have gone through the Purpose Driven Life and it’s Bible study…and I know what it’s about and what’s wrong with it…He uses different translations to try and make scripture conform to his points rather than the other way around! For instance. if the KJV verse doesn’t say what he wants it to…he goes to the NIV since it seems to make his point when it does not! He takes scripture out of context and his whole thesis upon which his book is based is about self affirmation and self centered view of the world. It’s sickening to me how many ave fallen for this false prophet!

As for the Debate and it’s topics, For proof that he has a liberal agenda, you only have to look at the issues to be discussed here:

Where AIDs is concerned…I wonder if the subject of promiscuity will be discussed and the fact that indulging in high risk behaviors which are prohibited by scripture are the primary cause of AIDs?

Climate?…We can assume this has to do with Global Warming!…that applies to scripture how? The only scripture that comes to mind that applies is the one that describes the last days…they will, “worship nature rather than nature’s God”!

Poverty?…No doubt the questions will address why the Government should be charitable with our money rather than God’s command for us individually to give a man your shirt also if he asks for your coat, (Paraphrase)!

Human rights?…No doubt the focus here will be Gitmo and Bush’s inhumanity to our terrorist enemies!

I don’t want to make this about McCain or take pot shots but I can’t help but ask why he agreed to this in the first place…You can bet the Golden Child would have never agreed to a debate in front of Thomas Road Baptist Church, (The late Dr. Falwell’s church), or on the 700 club or before the Christian Coalition…well…McCain would never agree to a debate in front of the “Agents of intolerance” either so I don’t know why I’m surprised…or disappointed for that matter…but I am!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

sometimes it feels like people compare people to dogs… no1 likes to harm a puppy… puppies are so cute!! who would harm a puppy?!? but when that puppy grows up and becomes a hassle.. alot of people just leave them in the middle of nowhere or send them to the spca for a gassing…

lemme throw out a hypothetical here…lets just say there are organizations that try to limit the transmition of aids around the world with condoms… now say they where all banned or defunded because condoms dont fit into youre world view.. now say women in poorer areas of the world.. alot that live with no freedom at all because they perhaps live in cultures that dont allow it or they live in bondage… well they contract hiv and also become pregnant.. by consequance of youre world view of how things should be a child will be born with a death sentence. will the child live long enough to bury its mother or will the mother be the one burying the child?

now lets say that this isnt a hypothectical question but is a reality.. there are alot of orphans in africa with hiv… care to comment?

Matthew 7:3-5

great discussion, great letter. The fact that it was so hard to get a message to Warren through his church channels speaks volumes to me. Saddleback, when I visited the campus a few years ago, reminded me supremely of Disneyland. I was there for training for “Celebrate Recovery” and I heard Warren speak, as well as the Rock Stars of the Christian self-help movement, Henry Cloud and John Townsend. I love the work of the latter duo. Their books have helped me a lot. But Warren’s books and his comments seemed contrived and threatening. “If pastors don’t support recovery ministry they are in denial” sort of thing.
In any case, I quit Celebrate Recovery because I found my Christian recovery buddies to be pro choice on abortion and euthanasia. I still struggle with my depression (my issue for Celebrate Recovery) but I can’t get “help” from folks who deny basic Christian teaching on life and death.
The seeping of relativistic teaching into the very walls of the church has been the most frustrating issue of my existence. Hooray for all of you who take a stand.