Comments on: Words Mean Things

By: DONTREADONME

DONTREADONME — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:08:04 +0000

I had to laugh at your comparisons, what is telling is that you tried to argue over another place about when the numbers were taken. BTW, 2000 page documents tend to be more restrictive in nature due to the vast amount of time spent working around subjects they have to make sure they are restrictive without being specifically restrictive, I am guessing you have never seen the wonderous bureacracy our Government has become in the last two years. Anyway, I am laughing at you, nice try there good to see you were taught how to use CRTL+F in pdf college.

By: stevemoschetta

stevemoschetta — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:58:00 +0000

Janis, obviously you did not read all of Mr Hogan’s blog – he himself used the term “telling” regarding his analysis. And that’s my point, my analysis is telling of nothing, just as Mr Hogan’s is telling of nothing. Words have meaning when used in context – qualitatively not quantitatively. And it is Hogan and people like yourself that are grasping

By: janis

janis — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:07:53 +0000

that will make your failure of a president look marginally better? Sorry, this wasn’t it.

By: BlackConservative

BlackConservative — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:04:01 +0000

We know the only time Democrats ever mention choice is when they are talking about the choice to murder the unborn, kind of like the way they mention freedom. Freedom to kill babies and freedom to have constitutional rights even though you are a terrorist. Words are indeed, powerful things.

By: stevemoschetta

stevemoschetta — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:03:32 +0000

I ran Mr Hogan’s word list against the Patriot Act and below are the results; I
have given the number of times a word appears in both bills and, since they
cover diffferent areas of gov’t and have a significant difference in the number of pages, a way to compare the bills using the percentage a word appears vs. the total number of page in the bill.

As a percentage of appearances, the bills are very similar for Shall/Shall Not and May/MayNot. As well as for Require and Report and Rule and Monitor.

Hmmm, certainly is telling…

Health Patriot Word vs Word vs
Care Act Pages Pages

Pages 2074 342

Shall/Shall Not 3607 448 Provide 1910 May/May Not 1047 177 Secretary 2500 Penalty 163 Sanction 8 Oversight 39 Study 150 Report 789 Require 1025 Authority 115 Culture 40 Allow 162 Cost Fund Fee 234 Tax Internal Revenue 104 Enforce Government 117 96 Qualify 482 Apply 1741 Monitor Rule Certify Law Authorize 408 Reasonable 61 174% 131%
129 92% 38%
50% 52%
174 121% 51%
11 8% 3%
6 0% 2%
1 2% 0%
16 7% 5%
172 38% 50%
127 49% 37%
64 6% 19%
0 2% 0%
4 8% 1%
562 11 27% 3%
563 108 27% 32%
2 11% 1%
183 9 9% 3%
3 5% 1%
47 97 2% 28%
6% 28%
3 23% 1%
45 84% 13%
55 5 3% 1%
310 39 15% 11%
177 4 9% 1%
283 228 14% 67%
63 20% 18%
25 3% 7%

Compare to:

Freedom 2 2 0% 1%
Free 15 2 1% 1%
Liberty 0 0 0% 0%
Choice 40 0 2% 0%
Choose 4 0 0% 0%
Own 11 58 1% 17%
Constitution 0 18 0% 5%
Federalism 0 0 0% 0%

By: janis

janis — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:54:37 +0000

How do reasonably compare the two? They are nothing alike, or shouldn’t be anyway. I would expect a bill about national security to have words such as authority, rule, penalty, etc. regularly. Not so with health care.

Try again.

By: stevemoschetta

stevemoschetta — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:27:25 +0000

My apologies, I corrected the formatting errors from my earlier note

As a percentage of appearances, the bills are very similar for Shall/Shall Not and May/MayNot. As well as for Require and Report and Rule and Monitor.

Hmmm, certainly is telling.

Health Care Patriot Act Word v pages Word v pages
vs pages vs pages

Pages 2074 342

Shall/Shall Not 3607 448 174% 131%
Provide 1910 129 92% 38%
May/May Not 1047 177 50% 52%
Secretary 2500 174 121% 51%
Penalty 163 11 8% 3%
Sanction 8 6 0% 2%
Oversight 39 1 2% 0%
Study 150 16 7% 5%
Report 789 172 38% 50%
Require 1025 127 49% 37%
Authority 115 64 6% 19%
Culture 40 0 2% 0%
Allow 162 4 8% 1%
Cost 562 11 27% 3%
Fund 563 108 27% 32%
Fee 234 2 11% 1%
Tax 183 9 9% 3%
“Internal Revenue 104 3 5% 1%
Enforce 47 97 2% 28%
Government 117 96 6% 28%
Qualify 482 3 23% 1%
Apply 1741 45 84% 13%
Monitor 55 5 3% 1%
Rule 310 39 15% 11%
Certify 177 4 9% 1%
Law 283 228 14% 67%
Authorize 408 63 20% 18%
Reasonable 61 25 3% 7%

Compare to:

Freedom 2 2 0% 1%
Free 15 2 1% 1%
Liberty 0 0 0% 0%
Choice 40 0 2% 0%
Choose 4 0 0% 0%
Own 11 58 1% 17%
Constitution 0 18 0% 5%
Federalism 0 0 0% 0%

By: stevemoschetta

stevemoschetta — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:23:12 +0000

As a percentage of appearances, the bills are very similar for Shall/Shall Not and May/MayNot. As well as for Require and Report and Rule and Monitor.

Hmmm, certainly is telling.

Health Care Patriot Act Word v pages Word v pages

Pages 2074 342

Compare to:

Freedom 2 2 0% 1%
Free 15 2 1% 1%
Liberty 0 0 0% 0%
Choice 40 0 2% 0%
Choose 4 0 0% 0%
Own 11 58 1% 17%
Constitution 0 18 0% 5%
Federalism 0 0 0% 0%

By: danielbdp

danielbdp — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:54:28 +0000

Each of the below points can be fully documented – please educate the uninformed…

http://src.senate.gov/public/_files/graphics/DemHealthCareNumbers.pdf

0 – guarantees taxpayers do not finance abortion
0 – prohibitions on rationing health care
0 – senators required to enroll in new govt.-run plan
9 – new taxes created
20.8 – pounds the bill weighs
70 – government programs created
1,697 – times the Secretary of HHS is given authority
to create, determine, or define things
2,074 – pages
3,607 – uses of the word “shall”
1.6 million – jobs lost with an employer mandate
$6.8 million – cost to taxpayers per word
24 million – people left without health insurance
$1.2 billion – cost to taxpayers per page
$5-$10 billion – needed for IRS implementation
$8 billion – taxes on uninsured Americans
$25 billion – Medicaid mandates placed on states
$28 billion – new taxes on employers
$100 billion – fraud in Medicare / Medicaid
$118 billion – cuts to Medicare Advantage
$465 billion – cuts to Medicare
$494 billion – new taxes on Americans
$2.5 trillion – cost for full implementation
$12 trillion – total U.S. national debt

By: olddog

olddog — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:09:17 +0000

as this bill will be, they all get exemptions, from what they will impose on the masses, ( Harry’s smelly tourists, nancy’s nazi’s, bill’s teabaggers, etc. ad nauseum) all of us. If you love this Country and the freedom’s, the way the founders intended,resist this takeover by an abhorrent Government, they claim its for us, its not, its to reward very big special interests, and give them unconstitutional power over our very lives, follow the money and you will see the biggest benefactors and it won’t be us. and this will affect adversely even those who agree with them , unless they are in the inner circle which most won’t be. They shall make no law unless, it shall be applied equally to all. No place, in the Constitution does it give to Congress this power.!! They are and have been, for many years vastly overstepping their constitutionally given authority, and getting away with it ,because most folks are just trying to get by, and too busy, to keep check on them we trusted ,unfortunately, our elected officials.