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		<title>By: lawson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/04/with-friends-like-these/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trey Grayson should be the nominee.

Bunning will be 77 and has raised no money.
Grayson can hold this seat for the next 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trey Grayson should be the nominee.</p>
<p>Bunning will be 77 and has raised no money.<br />
Grayson can hold this seat for the next 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/04/with-friends-like-these/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really big question is, will they toss Arlen Specter under the bus next year?  I doubt it.

We need new leadership.  Top to bottom in the Senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really big question is, will they toss Arlen Specter under the bus next year?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>We need new leadership.  Top to bottom in the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: hogan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/04/with-friends-like-these/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My real point is not about whether Bunning should be the guy or not.  Personally, were I him, I would retire... not because they want me to, but because I&#039;ve served publicly for a long time, and I would enjoy NOT being in the Senate with all those arrogant fools... and I would want to spend the rest of my days hanging out with the grandkids and maybe doing something to save baseball from its current custodians (different rant)...

Reasonable people can debate whether he should run or not... But what galls me is the way he&#039;s been treated by the very &quot;club&quot; who sticks by EVERYBODY else... be they liberal like Specter or Chafee, or a corrupt, Party-destroyer like Ted Stevens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My real point is not about whether Bunning should be the guy or not.  Personally, were I him, I would retire&#8230; not because they want me to, but because I&#8217;ve served publicly for a long time, and I would enjoy NOT being in the Senate with all those arrogant fools&#8230; and I would want to spend the rest of my days hanging out with the grandkids and maybe doing something to save baseball from its current custodians (different rant)&#8230;</p>
<p>Reasonable people can debate whether he should run or not&#8230; But what galls me is the way he&#8217;s been treated by the very &#8220;club&#8221; who sticks by EVERYBODY else&#8230; be they liberal like Specter or Chafee, or a corrupt, Party-destroyer like Ted Stevens.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Kentucky Republican matches the bill better than Bunning already does, so what purpose does giving the seat away have?

I think Bunning deserves the support not only because he is right ideologically, but also because he was respectful enough of the party as a coalition to be out campaigning in support of McConnell even though they disagree on some ideological dogma.

If McConnell and the NRSC hang Bunning out to dry, especially while having no solid replacement, it will only cause more strife between conservatives and moderates.

At least that is how I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Kentucky Republican matches the bill better than Bunning already does, so what purpose does giving the seat away have?</p>
<p>I think Bunning deserves the support not only because he is right ideologically, but also because he was respectful enough of the party as a coalition to be out campaigning in support of McConnell even though they disagree on some ideological dogma.</p>
<p>If McConnell and the NRSC hang Bunning out to dry, especially while having no solid replacement, it will only cause more strife between conservatives and moderates.</p>
<p>At least that is how I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/04/with-friends-like-these/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess, ultimately, it depends on what you are after. 

If you&#039;re looking for a guaranteed conservative vote, in the form of someone who will probably be a thorn in the side of McConnell and other &quot;go along to get along&quot; Senate Republicans, Bunning is your guy. 

OTOH, if you want someone who can actually publicly *transmit* the conservative message with an appealing public manner, someone who&#039;s not going to easily fall into the ready-made traps by the DNC-inspired &quot;media, then Bunning is getting close to disaster territory. 

Frankly, what I wish, is that we could get someone who could do *both* things - be a reliable conservative vote and thorn-in-the-side to McConnell, while still coming off great (and not making bonehead mistakes) in &#039;media&#039; situations. 

Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t really heard of any Kentucky Republican fitting that bill. 

But Bunning only fills the first half of the bill, so basically he&#039;s &quot;problematic&quot;. 

I don&#039;t want to give McConnell a &quot;win&quot; here. But neither do I want Bunning around being forced to issue public mea culpa after public mea culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess, ultimately, it depends on what you are after. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for a guaranteed conservative vote, in the form of someone who will probably be a thorn in the side of McConnell and other &#8220;go along to get along&#8221; Senate Republicans, Bunning is your guy. </p>
<p>OTOH, if you want someone who can actually publicly *transmit* the conservative message with an appealing public manner, someone who&#8217;s not going to easily fall into the ready-made traps by the DNC-inspired &#8220;media, then Bunning is getting close to disaster territory. </p>
<p>Frankly, what I wish, is that we could get someone who could do *both* things &#8211; be a reliable conservative vote and thorn-in-the-side to McConnell, while still coming off great (and not making bonehead mistakes) in &#8216;media&#8217; situations. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I haven&#8217;t really heard of any Kentucky Republican fitting that bill. </p>
<p>But Bunning only fills the first half of the bill, so basically he&#8217;s &#8220;problematic&#8221;. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to give McConnell a &#8220;win&#8221; here. But neither do I want Bunning around being forced to issue public mea culpa after public mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Rebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Rebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many here at RedState are also very willing to throw Bunning under the bus, I&#039;m sorry to say.

Lincoln Chafee in the primary of 2006 beat Stephen Laffey, a very principled conservative, who lost by only 6% to Chafee.  In the general, people wanted the real democrat, and Chafee lost by 8%.  Laffey was supported by the Club for Growth.  The turnout in that Republican primary was the largest in RI history, indicating a groundswell of support for Laffey.  But no matter, the Washington elite wanted Chafee.

And don&#039;t forget Rick Santorum, who lost in 2006 after making some controversial statements.  But he really lost in 2004 when he supported Specter, along with the establishment, over another principled conservative, Pat Toomey.  Santorum was a very articulate spokesman for the party, and he made the conservative case very effectively.

So given the recent track record of the Republican establishment, if I were them I would tread very lightly before throwing a good Republican under the bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many here at RedState are also very willing to throw Bunning under the bus, I&#8217;m sorry to say.</p>
<p>Lincoln Chafee in the primary of 2006 beat Stephen Laffey, a very principled conservative, who lost by only 6% to Chafee.  In the general, people wanted the real democrat, and Chafee lost by 8%.  Laffey was supported by the Club for Growth.  The turnout in that Republican primary was the largest in RI history, indicating a groundswell of support for Laffey.  But no matter, the Washington elite wanted Chafee.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget Rick Santorum, who lost in 2006 after making some controversial statements.  But he really lost in 2004 when he supported Specter, along with the establishment, over another principled conservative, Pat Toomey.  Santorum was a very articulate spokesman for the party, and he made the conservative case very effectively.</p>
<p>So given the recent track record of the Republican establishment, if I were them I would tread very lightly before throwing a good Republican under the bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod_Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2009/03/04/with-friends-like-these/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod_Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They love the liberals and democrats more than they love their own.

They call it tough love.   I call it bs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They love the liberals and democrats more than they love their own.</p>
<p>They call it tough love.   I call it bs.</p>
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