I know there is a great deal of anger and frustration out there… amongst the 70% of you who are racists that believe immigration laws should be enforced… about Federal Judge Susan Bolton’s willingness to be bought by Obama and the Holder DoJ, but all I can do is laugh…and I mean gut-wrenching, jiggly mid-section guffaw. Seriously…relax people, get some popcorn and consider the pretzel logic of this hilarity:
“Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked,” Bolton, a Clinton appointee, said in her decision.
I just can’t stop myself…I feel like that kid in church that just loses it when his big brother does something goofy in the middle of the sermon…
So, if I have this right, what this “Judge” has just told us is that the time spent while we wait for Law Enforcement to “run” our licenses and plate numbers is time during which our liberties are being restricted. Please let me be the next white guy to get pulled over so I can tell a State Trooper he is not allowed to run my numbers because it would be a burden on me, and it would restrict my liberty…that right there is made of teh awesome…but wait! There’s more:
Gisela and Eduardo Diaz went to the Mexican consulate in Phoenix on Wednesday seeking advice because they were worried about what would happen to their 3-year-old granddaughter if they were pulled over by police and taken to a detention center.
“I knew the judge would say that part of the law was just not right,” said Diaz, a 50-year-old from Mexico City who came to Arizona on a since-expired tourist visa in 1989. “It’s the part we were worried about. This is a big relief for us.”e-expired tourist visa…hunh-nothing wrong with THAT now, is there?
You do the math there folks? Here since 1989 on a since-expired tourist visa…hunh-nothing wrong with THAT now, is there? And of course, Judge Bolton steps in it even deeper by suggesting:
“There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law),” Bolton ruled. She added that a requirement of the law that police determine the immigration status of all arrested people will prompt legal immigrants to be “swept up by this requirement.”
Just how will we wrongfully arrest legal aliens? Never mind; I’m running out of popcorn.
Don’t miss the hilarious sideshow via the LA Times about Union thugs and pro-Federal-law-violation-by-non-Americans activists…caravaning to AZ to protest the law that never made it to the streets of AZ because of this so-called federal Judge.
Check the calendars folks, and wait for the date to be published for the appeals process…I take cash and credit cards… I BET the appeals will be delayed until that magical and mysterious date of November 3, 2010…a day AFTER all those illegal votes can be cast to keep Democrats in office for two MORE years of doing nothing about the problem they created in the first place.
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I think I'm going to balance the human traffic...
tjpeco Wednesday, July 28th at 4:26PM EST (link)…and follow my father who is relocating to Belize.
I just can’t take anymore inanity.
Power plant construction in Belize...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:44PM EST (link)is definitely booming. A local firm is venturing south to experience the lifestyle change brought about by the potential rise in profits.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
hell go to any other country, try the libs favorite, France
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 11:34PM EST (link)they will toss you out on your ear, they don’t play around with illegals.
Molon Labe!
JD Hayworth fans think it hurts McCain
chihank Wednesday, July 28th at 4:44PM EST (link)JD Hayworth think today’s court ruling could sink McCain.
JD fans say that McCain failed to filibuster Susan Bolton in 2000 thus today’s court ruling is all McCain’s fault.
McCain's stock certainly dropped today, although he probably will win.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:09PM EST (link)As for Giffords and other vulnerable Arizona Democrats, stick a fork in ‘em.
Longshot, but Hayworth could still pull an upset
jonreagan (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:40PM EST (link)Ras was out Monday with a poll that has it a 20 point race, McCain up 54-34%. If nothing else, I think this shows that an earlier poll which had the spread at +40 points was an outlier, and probably not credible.
Today’s decision may not be a game changer, but it can only help JD; the people who will be galvanized are the ones who are outraged about the invasion of our state by murderous drug cartels. His TV spots on immigration are great, with footage tying McCain to both Teddy and Obama. I saw five of them yesterday, so JD has obviously harbored his limited resources to when they’ll make a difference.
I live in Tucson, and will be voting for Hayworth, so I’m obviously biased….but I still think there may be a chance for an upset. The timing of the primary may help us as well: a primary in late August—two weeks before Labor Day—isn’t likely to garner huge turnout. The voters who do turn out in a late summer Republican primary generally aren’t the RINO’s or moderates, they’re the consistent conservatives.
too bad JD is not a consistent conservative
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 11:37PM EST (link)but I will check myself from now on, arguing with JD fans is like arguing with Paulliacs. the election will speak for itself.
Molon Labe!
They're on drugs. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:10PM EST (link)lol /nt
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How?
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:49PM EST (link)JD been shopping for buses and uniforms to implement his own personal “round them up, send them home” immigration policy?
Other than going on FOX and flapping his lips, JD has never been a leader of any sort on this topic, or for that matter put up a single piece of legislation when in elected office to deal with the issue of illegal aliens. I’d argue that JD was part of the un-realistic faction in elected office that kept meaningful reform being done. It’s easy to blame people and make noise on FOX, lots harder to be a leader and actually work on real reform. But hey, JD was never interested in doing anything about illegals, just speechafying.
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SteveLA, do you ever get tired of lying about JD Hayworth?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:23PM EST (link)This is the second time I have corrected you on this very point. JD did put up legislation in 2005.
He also wrote and entire book on the subject.
You can not like him all you like, and you can even actively work against him as you do with every conservative. But you can’t straight up lie about the man’s record.
If you choose to continue lying about this then I think you have finally shown everyone here that you are not posting in good faith.
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No tireless
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:43PM EST (link)You are correct, I am wrong. JD did introduce HR 3938, which was such a piece of excrement that it could not even make it out of a Republican controlled House committee, but you are correct I am wrong.
Even more, I blame clowns like JD and other Republicans who were in Congress in 2005 when the Republican party were in the majority for doing nothing to work on solutions to the issue of illegal immigration when they had a chance like securing the darn border. By the way, those of us in the West are paying the price today for JD’s grandstanding and stupidity.
One more thing, if JD is what you think is a a real genuine conservative, then that explains why I’m a RINO. If JD is the sort of politician the Republican party is basing it’s future on….the future is bleak.
On lying, no more and with probably less venom than the folks that blame Johnny Mac for the election of Obama, or the other nonsense that passes for some folks opinions around these parts.
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So even though you lied about his record, you blame him inaction.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:10PM EST (link)You are a piece of work.
You obviously didn’t read the bill I linked to since the whole thrust of it was securing the border.
And I know what those of you in the west are having to deal with, my mother lives in Nogales.
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Why thank you
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:21PM EST (link)It’s always good to have your validation on what I believe. Have a wonderful evening, I will.
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Yikes
kchand Thursday, July 29th at 1:26AM EST (link)I hope Mom has a flak jacket.
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tara2009 Friday, July 30th at 4:22PM EST (link)YOU TOOK YOUR TIME TO DO JUST WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO ALL THE TIME, YOU TOOK OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE LAW AND LEFT IT WITH NO BENEFIT AT ALL, WHY DIDN’T YOU DISMISS THE WHOLE LAW? i’LL ANSWER IT FOR YOU, YOU DIDN’T WANT IT TO BE OBVIOUS THAT YOU WERE BOUGHT OR WARNED OFF.
SHAME ON YOU !!!!! JUSTICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE BLIND, NOT STUPID.
BE AWARE THE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THE INJUSTICE AND WILL REMEMBER YOUR NAME. GOD SAID VENGENCE IS MINE AND I WILL REPAY,MEHPENSACOLA,FL
From 1995-2007 JD was a reliable vote that balanced the budget 4 times, supported the War on Terror
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:19PM EST (link)cut taxes, etc. If we had 220 JD’s in the House and 51 in the Senate over the past 4 years, America would still be America.
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It'd be broke, too
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:24PM EST (link)JD voted for the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society (Medicare Pt D), onerous regulation (Sarbanes-Oxley), No Child Left Behind, and pretty much every government expansion that came down the pike. Sure, he voted for the tax cuts; who (besides McCain and his merry band of “moderates”) didn’t? The truth of the matter is, JD didn’t care about spending unless it involved illegal immigrants.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Hasn't the quadrupling of the deficit by ObamaDems shown us that JD & Co. hadn't a clue about making America broke?
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, August 1st at 10:15AM EST (link)Go look at Pilgrim’s recent trillions of dimes worth of difference between Dems and Repubs. It is instructive. But I must commend you my friend for finally citing some less than perfect votes of JD. I had asked other JD bashers for same more than 6 times over the past 2 months w/o result.
Let me just say that given the failure of eliminating the education Dept, I favored NCLB to force liberals to better hold liberals accountable for the funds they get so that maybe they might teach poor black kids something other than PC non-tolerence and that given no comprehensive Medicare reform that I did favor covering Rx drugs and am pleased to report that the cost cutting competition measures of the bill that Bush insisted upon have been a model for how government should operate once it involves itself in such matters.
Agree on S-Oxley, but don’t these few exceptions prove the obvious rule that JD is vastly superior to the non-Straight Talk maverick express?
I think so.
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I've cited these bills
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 1st at 5:49PM EST (link)almost every time that JD has come up as a topic, and some others (an expansion to McCain-Feingold, for instance). I like to compare the Republicans I support to other Republicans, not Democrats: that’s a rather low bar to trip over, and of course they’re going to beat the Rep on spending etc., if simply because of inertia! We’ll have to disagree (quite strongly!) on Medicare Pt D and NCLB, especially NCLB, which worsened the already-bad education in this country immeasurably and essentially nationalized portions of K-12 education. (Medicare Pt D met the objectives it set out to achieve, yes, but I didn’t agree with the initial objectives or the outcome, which was to produce the largest expansion of entitlements since the Great Society.) JD’s a more reliable party vote than McCain, but I’m not sure that he’s more conservative than McCain, especially on spending, where McCain’s bad record is made better in light of JD’s.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Must have missed your earlier recitations in long threads. Thx guy - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, August 2nd at 1:22AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Gamecock, it's not worth arguing this...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:40PM EST (link)There is no 100% candidate for mbecker and aesthete so they are taking their liberty at hating everyone in the race.
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Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, August 1st at 10:08AM EST (link)‘becker and ‘thete! DeVine Law has his own truth-telling agenda that no blogger, no poll and no nay-sayers can deter. Can’t never could do nothing…
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Solution
edintexas Thursday, July 29th at 9:39AM EST (link)There is a simple solution, which SteveLA is correct, that the Republicrat controlled Congress did not enact. Require a better electronic verification system (E-Verify), make it mandatory for everyone who employs anyone, for any period of time, to use, and make the penalty for being caught employing someone who fails the verification sufficient to be an actual deterrent (which the current fine is not). And, also change the current mis-interpretation of the 14th Amendment to eliminate birthright citizenship.
No deportation effort needed. If the unemployed are not sufficient in number to fill all the job vacancies, then we can have some form of guest worker program where both the government and the employer are responsible for the worker returning to his home country once the worker is no longer needed.
See Steve – you were right. I’m sure you would agree completely with this solution.
too onerous on the employer, more red tape
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 11:41PM EST (link)we need to secure the borders, the talking time is over. there is a narco terror war going on right on the border and it is spilling into Texas. Forget all this talk about immigration, it is worse than that, the Mexico border towns are now run by narco terrorists, border security is now national security for defense of the homeland.
Molon Labe!
And it's been pointed out at least twice that
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, July 30th at 12:15AM EST (link)the bill never got out of committee.
Without regard to the merits of the legislation, JD, after 11 years in the Congress, couldn’t get this bill to the floor. As a matter of fact, the two most prominent members of the Arizona delegation, Shadegg and Flake, didn’t cosponsor it.
This legislation, and more especially his book, were nothing but an exercise in throwing crap against the wall to see if it would stick. It didn’t. If you’ve got a copy of his book, hang onto it, it may be a limited edition collectors item one day.
The bottom line on JD is that he was a loudmouthed, self-promoting and very ineffective (except for earmarks) legislator. That’s coming back to haunt him now.
Hmm...
aesthete (Diary) Friday, July 30th at 12:28AM EST (link)“The bottom line on JD is that he was a loudmouthed, self-promoting and very ineffective (except for earmarks) legislator.”
That reminds me of someone…
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I guess I'll have work cut out for me
Richard Mullins (Diary) Friday, July 30th at 12:40AM EST (link)Getting rid of RP cost money and by 2012 I’m sure I’ll have plenty of money. JD and RP are at time same since they have mouths that can’t quit. Earmarks are RP’s specialty.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
You already admitted you haven't read the book mbecker...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 2:57PM EST (link)So I don’t know why you are acting like you have now.
Like I said to SteveLA above, you can not like the man, and you can actively campaign against him, but you can’t lie about him.
That’s the standard. As you have pointed out he has enough real faults that you don’t have to make ones up.
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I didn't lie about him Aaron, and I made nothing up.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:04PM EST (link)What I said was that JD Hayworth was an ineffective legislator. His bill – without regard to the merits – never got out of committee and didn’t even garner cosponsorship of the two highest profile members of the AZ delegation.
When all is said and done, he threw stuff against the wall, nothing stuck. That’s JD’s SOP.
Oh, and as far as having not read his book
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:09PM EST (link)pretty much nobody else did either.
Don't misunderstand mbecker, I don't think you lied.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:14PM EST (link)I think SteveLA did. That was my concern in this thread. If you were trying to get me to argue the other points I won’t because there is no point to it.
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I wasn't trying to pick a fight.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:37PM EST (link)I’m much more direct when I do that.
My point was, and is, that in the case of both his immigration legislation and his book, content did not matter. He didn’t have the credibility, the muscle or whatever to get consideration. And as a US Senator he’d have no more.
I disagree. By default a Senator has more muscle than a Representative.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 3:45PM EST (link)And you also have to understand, as I know you do, that McCain was pushing his Amnesty plan at the same time and despite them being in separate chambers the McCain machine was effective in shutting down any support from the other members of the AZ delegates.
It’s not all simple black and white.
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Aa first term senator who is widely and correctly
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 4:39PM EST (link)regarded as a buffoon will have absolutely zero pull.
And if your scenario is correct, and I don’t know one way or the other, it’s obvious that McCain had – and has – a lot more pull that Buffy.
And none of this matters because in 24 more days JD’s political career will be over.
Yeah, I already said it was pointless.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 5:20PM EST (link)But don’t let that stop you from throwing out your usual ad hominem crap.
I like you becker, but you come off as a bitter malcontent. It’s become tiresome.
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Not to disturb this discussion but
Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 6:07PM EST (link)Let me preface this comment with- I don’t live in Arizona, I don’t vote there, but, it is a fact that all Senators and Reps vote on legislation that affects the entire country. This entire country is ruled by 535 elected politicians, and, of course the executive branch and the judicial branch. The Congress, under this admin. has become all but obsolete. The legislation, needed to pass, in order to hand their power away to the O, and a bunch of unelected czars, regulators, Committees and leftist Think Tanks have “so far” successfully delegated the transformation of the US.
If I lived in Arizona, and I didn’t already know the damage that McCain has done to the country (impossible unless you live under a rock), I would be looking at the voting records of both McCain and Hayworth. The beauty is that they both spent time in elected office in Washington, so, they both have voting records.
I don’t but the argument that Hayworth was beat by some crappy Democrat, in the Democrat sweep in 2006. George Allen was beat by a crappy Democrat, Jim Webb in 2006 with the Democrat sweep. I put alot of weight on the fact that Iraq was successfully propagandized by the Cindy Sheehans and Code Pinkos of the country. The 2006 election was a referendum on the Bush handling of the War. If only Bush had replaced Rumsfeld a month or two earlier, oh well, spilled milk. Also, the press, the press, the press. No doubt Ezra Klein took the baton from his earlier predecessors with an earlier Journolist with BDS.
My point- Isn’t it more important to look at a candidates record of voting, when they have long records to research. I would be pouring over everything I could find about the candidates.
John McCain on the issues-
http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm
Rated a Conservative with Populist Leanings
J. D. Hayworth on the issues-
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/J_D_Hayworth.htm
Rated a Hard Core Conservative
I also think that the country is not interested in how much “pull” a candidate has. The now Conservative majority is moving far away from Washing “pull.” If ever there is a Washington insider that needs to go it is John McCain. He is causing the people of Arizona to once again to have to, as his mother put it in the campaign, “hold their noses” yet again.
My personal opinion, let the people in the state choose their candidate without the nasty campaigning going on right here, at RS, against someone that a few literally hate. Talk about circular firing squads, but, I guess that is what primaries are for.
I hear ya Lady P
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 7:45PM EST (link)The whole kerfuffle between Hayworth and McCain is sucking up all of the oxygen, and I just do not know a thing about the campaigns and the good candidates for AZ-1, AZ-3, AZ-5, and AZ-8. I just wish the Arizonans would STFU about the Senate seat. and give the rest of us some insight on US House seats in AZ.
Pilgrim- It wasn't Lady P
Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:07PM EST (link)that posted the comment you replied to. I’m sure Lady P would never write what I did.
You are so absolutely correct that it would be very helpful if all the rest of the races were covered in AZ. There really are more races than the McCain/Hayworth race. Yes, the oxygen is being sucked up here on just that race. Never heard anything about the other races that are for sure happening across the state of AZ. If I weren’t mistaken, it appears to be what I said, a nasty campaign, and focused target, against Hayworth, right here RS.
Again, I do not live in AZ, and, I can’t vote there, but, haven’t heard anything about any other races in that state. You’re absolutely correct.
sorry about that Scope. my bad. nt
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:39PM EST (link)We try!
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:14PM EST (link)On my part, I’m working to elect Jesse Kelly. Good conservative, non-active Marine, involved in Tucson’s Tea Parties, and a strong conservative candidate all around that we can be proud of, running in a leaning R district housing a beatable Dem moderate. He can win if properly funded and aided by conservatives (here’s his site if you’re interested). I’ve mentioned him on many of the McCain-JD diaries that pop up here, and asked RS to consider endorsing him. The vast majority of these references have gotten zip comments from out of staters (I’ve maybe gotten one reply). Likewise, Becker has written some “state of the State” diaries here on RS concerning the house seats we have, and who’s running for them. Mostly, they’re an Arizona RSer’s affair, and no one comments on or recommends them but fellow Arizonans. BTW, we have stressed several times that every dime that goes to JD might as well go down the crapper, and that that money could be used for AZ’s house races, again to the rousing chorus of stony silence or outrage from out of staters.
In short, nobody cares about our house seats (insert sad violin music). That’s fine to some extents, as everyone should be more concerned about their state’s fortunes, and what they can do about that. It was a pleasant surprise to see RS endorse someone in AZ-03, and thank you for showing some concern for those seats, but let’s not pretend like it’s the mean old Arizonans who are constantly bringing up McCain-JD; most of us only comment on the issue when some outsiders feel the need to wax prosaic and engage in political onanism about True Conservative® JD Hayworth. We proceed to correct them, and they usually get emotional and insist that JD will win because… because… well, you’re mean!!! In fact, you’re one of the few outsiders who’s said anything about our House seats. I’ll happily write a diary on AZ-08 if you donate $25 to Jesse Kelly, but I guarantee that there will be few responses and little interest, especially relative to the McCain-JD exercise in futility.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
what about Jon Paton?
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:44PM EST (link)Over at NRO I saw something about a poll showing him leading Giffords. That is actually the only poll news I have seen, and if you post a diary I promise I’ll check it out.
Alright, I'll try writing one over the weekend:
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:23PM EST (link)I’ll spoil the ending ahead of time to say, John Paton is better than Giffords, and probably an easier sell for the district (he’s somewhat moderate), but I don’t trust him as much as I’d like on spending because of his prior record. I guess a good analogy would be between Dan Coats and Marlin Stutzmann: one has quite a bit of enthusiasm on his side and is arguably more conservative (Kelly), the other is more establishment, a little worse on spending, but is also a good candidate and probably an easier sell. If you want to support him, don’t feel guilty; I’m pretty sure that he’d be a reliable party vote, he’s still conservative, and he’s a tremendous improvement on Giffords. I’m just happy that someone’s paying attention to our house seats
(PS: in 1994, only 5 incumbents had polling indicating a victory on the part of their challenger. Giffords, polling where she’s at right now, isn’t safe from any of our challengers, IMO — they’re all within striking distance, or were last I looked. Just a thought.)
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Two things he's got going for him:
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:45PM EST (link)First, he’s great on taxes. He’s sponsored and co-sponsered several bills cutting taxes, including one that nixed all state income taxes for active-duty military. Sweet deal. Second, he’s put the legwork into reforming Child Protective Services, and it’s been a pretty nice improvement.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Scope, the OTI measure
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 7:54PM EST (link)is a very flawed measure, because it gives the same weight to bills and statements that will never come out of committee or get enacted, as it does to bills that have a chance of passing. This leads to some interesting political results; for example, George W Bush and Mike Huckabee are rated “hard core conservatives” as well, despite the fact that their governmental philosophies were more tied to the moderate and neo-conservative wings (in the case of Bush), or the William Jennings Bryan/populist bases of support (in the case of Mike Huckabee).
If anything, his record on the site confirms what Becker and I have been saying: that as a Senator, he supported a bunch of stupid crap that had no chance of getting out of committee, much less become law. Abolishing the Dept of Education right after No Child Left Behind passed (with his help and vote, no less) was a political and practical impossibility, and was just political agitprop for those willing ignorant enough to avoid the cognitive dissonance that goes with voting for No Child Left Behind and sponsoring a bill that abolishes the Dept of Education. JD = Ron Paul without the ideological consistency and dislike of big government, and his voting record proves it. On bills that have no chance of getting enacted, JD’s a conservative hero. On stuff that had the chance of getting signed into law: not so much.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Sorry aesthete- No deal
Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:02PM EST (link)You have called yourself libertarian leaning, yet you support McCain who is not even a conservative, let alone a reliable Republican. To me, that takes the air out of every one of your comments. No libertarian would ever support McCain, for any reason, period. Whatever you say here from now on should be measured against your support for the least conservative candidate in the race this year. Everyone earns their stripes, you have earned yours.
That, ladies and gents
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:14PM EST (link)is an ad hom. Thank you for demonstrating, Scope. (Though just to clear my good name, I’ll note that I in no way support McCain, and will be voting Goldwater come primary season
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The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Not to get sidetracked
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 7:38PM EST (link)but an ad hominem is not the same thing as an insult; to wit, an insult is delivered for the sheer gratification of the thing and is an end unto itself (or very near it), while an ad hominem is an attempt to discredit an argument by drawing attention to a personal failing of the person making said argument (example: “you’re one to talk about the benefits of the free market: didn’t your farm receive agriculture subsidies).
Becker insults, but I haven’t seen him us an ad hom in my time on RS.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
aesthete, you are wrong.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 7:57PM EST (link)And you engage in ad hominem quite a bit when speaking about this particular race as well.
Instead of addressing the issues, such as immigration reform and the difference the candidates have, you, stevela and mbecker reply with crap about a commercial he did (personal failing), you deflect by calling him names and attacking his inteligence (bufoon).
You can write it all out pretty that that if you want to … I know it helps cover the hypocrisy.
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I don't really care about the commercial
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:34PM EST (link)except as it pertains to JD’s chances for victory (and yes, it shot what credibility he had with the Tea Party, which was kinda sorta 50/50, down in flames). A “buffoon” is defined as being, “A ridiculous but amusing person; a clown.” No mention of intelligence, and a perfect definition of JD. Heck, it’s not so much an insult as it is an accurate pseudonym at this point.
And no, I’m not wrong on the ad homs. If I were saying that everything JD says on immigration is wrong because he’s a buffoon, I’d be employing ad hom. If, on the other hand, I were saying that the claim that JD is a good candidate is wrong because he is a buffoon (which, hey, is exactly what I’ve been saying), I would not be employing ad hom, as such a factor may be relevant to your proposition, depending on your criterion for a good candidate. Showing JD’s voting record on spending is, likewise, relevant to the question of whether JD is a True Conservative™ — or maybe not, seeing as how the term seems to mean whatever its user wants it to mean at a given juncture. If you’re a one-issue conservative on border security and you use money like it’s confetti, then JD’s the perfect candidate for you! For those of us who care about spending, and who have other seats with better candidates opposite worse opponents than McCain (such as all of our D house seats but Grijalva’s), not so much.
BTW, I’ll reply to a post on JD’s immigration record when I find one — maybe you can write it, seeing as how you seem to have a passion for the issue. The posts I’ve come across either say “we’re thiiiiis close to unseating McCain with stellar candidate JD”, or “damn the torpedoes, JD’s a grrreat conservative, and we should all support him”, both general statements about JD’s viability and conservatism that I find fault with. If you’re angry that we’re staying on topic, and not making it about JD’s immigration views (which wasn’t the subject of this sub-thread till you mentioned it), go right on ahead, Aaron. Meanwhile, I’ll comment on the issue when someone brings it up.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Go back and read the thread again.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:51PM EST (link)I didn’t bring up immigration. I just dropped by to correct SteveLA’s lies. Then you and becker decided to dig in to me for some reason.
Maybe it’s that you agree with SteveLA and think that I am a bigot.
You will notice that I have defended anything of JD’s other than his stance on immigration, which is what was lied about.
So again, you can take your pretty writing and weasel all you want.
What is sad is that you have no one in the race to like so you just crap on everyone instead of shutting up, or better yet writing a diary about the house races. Which, contrary to you “We try” comment above, you haven’t managed to do.
Sorry, but I have had my fill of people who do nothing but comment. It’s the bare minimum in activism and politics and the one’s I see do it the most are usually the ones who don’t do anything offline.
So don’t be surprised when I take your wisdom with a grain of salt.
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"Which, contrary to you “We try” comment above, you haven’t managed to do."
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:08PM EST (link)Where did I imply that I did? I said that I’ve posted many comments to that effect, and recommended the diaries of AZ residents dealing with the issue, and explicitly stated that I’d write a more complete diary if I see $25 worth of interest in the race.
The only reply I made to your posts was to note that you were (and still are) wrong about ad homs and their definition, and then to reply to your post concerning my use of ad hom. If that’s a “dig”, then I stand by it.
I don’t appreciate the implication that I’m a liar, dissembler, or “weasel” and would like an apology for words rendered to that effect. This discussion has become overheated, and for little reason, as far as I can tell. I wouldn’t care if you were a troll or a one-day wonder, but given your status here on RS, and my personal respect for your postings, you’re better than that and should post accordingly. I’m out; I sincerely hope that you enjoy the rest of your day.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Tell ya what aesthete...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:26PM EST (link)How about we trade apologies.
Next time you try to divine my intentions you better know what the heck you are talking about.
If you are willing to apologize for that then I can agree to apologize for going off on you.
Also, it doesn’t cost you anything to write a diary, I don’t know why you have some imaginary minimum donation requirement. That’s not how it works. First you write something that gets people fired up, then the donations come.
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Kowalski: Apology Part 2
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:33PM EST (link)Since you are in the mood to ask for apologies. I think I would like one for the implication that I am a “one-issue conservative”.
We might as well tack on where you equated me to a troll in your request for reparations for the victimization I inflicted on you.
Seriously.
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All right
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 9:44PM EST (link)In the case of the first, apologies for the tone.
In the case of the second, I say honestly, I wasn’t thinking about you in any way, shape or form. That being a problem of internet communication, I’m sorry that you (or anyone else) got that message; it wasn’t my intent, so I apologize for the unintentional characterization.
I wasn’t “victimized”, but I do appreciate you rescinding your characterization of me as malevolent and a liar; that sort of insult is the lowest of the low, and I’m glad that you re-thought it.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
hussein's way or the highway...
teapartypatriot Wednesday, July 28th at 4:48PM EST (link)Bolton’s choices: agree to the outrageous, unlawful, anti-American demands of the hussein/holder YES-FOR-ILLEGALS regime, or have her career as a federal judge destroyed. So, she caved.
You may be right.
Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:02PM EST (link)I’m cynical about everything else, I might as well be cynical about the integrity of a Federal judge.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
November cannot get here soon enough!
UpLateAgain (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:02PM EST (link)If only there was some way to throw the Democrats running this zoo completely out of the country with the illegals. We’ll have to settle for throwing them into the unemployment lines, along with the “Democrat Lights” that we can get rid of during this installment.
You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.
We are no longer a nation of laws.
usadying (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:03PM EST (link)If legal citizens must have papers to verify identity, but illegals do not, what’s the point of having any laws at all? The progressives have so stuffed the court system with their judges and the attorneys who argue before them, the legal system is “justice” for only the progressives’ favored “classes”. Their favored unions won against bondholders (who had established law and precedent on their side) in the GM and Chrysler reorganizations. I no longer have any faith in the court system.
Our family visited the Supreme Court building on a visit to DC a few years ago. I remember seeing a statement by a justice that stated the Supreme Court had power only as long as the people believed in and obeyed the rule of law. So what happens if we don’t?
I don't feel there is equal protection under the law if:
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:32PM EST (link)Only the Feds can enforce Federal law… by their twisted logic then local police shouldn’t be able to enforce anything more than local ordinances as opposed to the state traffic code as well etc.
This total twisting of the law to suit political agendas is undoing the law in this country. When there is no law anymore we will all become the law unto ourselves.
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478
So, what other Laws should we stop doing...
crazynorm Wednesday, July 28th at 8:51PM EST (link)To use her logic, what other laws shoulld we quit enforcing? Federal Highway…not our problem call the marshall’s…. Anyone got anything else we should stop enforcing say perscription laws of the FDA, EPA laws…. why should the state spend money on a Fed’s job then…. play the game and see where we end up…
Even more
kchand Thursday, July 29th at 1:29AM EST (link)Can we verify citizenship when someone applies for public services, like welfare or food stamps? What about our local services, like medical or hospital care?
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Like Rush said- she's also part
deano64 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:04PM EST (link)of the Ruling Class. She can’t let 70% of us in the Country Class think that we can just make our own laws and enforce them as we see fit even if they are constitutional. Her ruling is a joke, but does it really surprise anyone? This is going to drive even more Republicans to the polls in November. I’m just to pissed off right now to laugh about this joke.
Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
Ditto
throwback59 Wednesday, July 28th at 5:40PM EST (link)Remember in November
I think this is great and I mean GREAT
dio55 Wednesday, July 28th at 5:06PM EST (link)two thirds of America are haertbroken and they see the left celebrating . all thats left to do is tie every democrat to this and watch them run for cover . Obama just made a 100 seat pickup in the house possible. so THANK YOU LIBERALS. thank you for the millstone to wrap around your collective necks
This calls for National Burn Your Driver's License Day.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:06PM EST (link)And while we are at it, we need to get all of our State Attorney Generals to issue opinions that acknowledge that since what once were known as “states” can’t tell what federal priorities are, no local or state law enforcement can make an arrest based on federal statute or cooperate with the ATF, FBI, DEA, or whatever. If field pre-emption is this broad, no state can dare venture into a federal arena.
So feel free to get drunk, hop in the car, drive without a license, and then violate federal laws as long as the only cops around are state or local. That appears to be the law today.
Honesty
allred Wednesday, July 28th at 5:07PM EST (link)It just goes to show you that there no longer is any honesty among the courts. This should have been a nobrainer in favor of Arizona and this judged caved into the Obama administration because she thought she was going to be fed to the wolves by them. What a lame excuse for blocking a law! What does illegal mean? Please, all those who are not sure, look it up in a dictionary somewhere.
Couldn't anyone being stopped for anything challenge this?
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:15PM EST (link)As Dave pointed out. Being pulled over for a traffic stop would then violate this ruling while the cop runs your ID and plate for driving history, warrants etc…?
It’s time to route all rounded up illegals(if you can even do that anymore) and ship them to sanctuary cities. Let them deal with the problem.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Bolton and Obama have sided with foreigners here illegally.
NeoKong (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:20PM EST (link)And they have once again defied the American people.
It’s pretty clear.
The Obama DoJ just told America that illegals aliens can come and go as they please.
The law does not apply to them.
Bolton is a disgrace.
Follow me on Twitter.
America is dying
techsan (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:31PM EST (link)It’s been a big day for freedom-haters….
SB1070 as noted in this thread…Religious freedom took a hit too.
No border security…no religious-freedom-if-your-religion-is-Christian…where am I living again?
In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.
Yes, but....
erinmist (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:37PM EST (link)As has been mentioned elsewhere, there’s some good here for our side as well.
First, the judge refused to toss out the the law on the basis of “pre-emption”, something Holder and DoJ desperately wanted. So by letting this go forward, and allowing parts of the law to be implemented, she’s already agreed that there is not a sole and singular right by the Federal government to control immigration, and that states implicitly have a role to play. That was HUGE.
Secondly, as a matter of financial common sense, just like the Nebraska law which made it illegal to run a business or rent property if you were illegal, supporters of the law welcomed the injunction while the courts go through the process for the very simple reason that should the law be found unconstitutional, there would not be this backlog of claimants with their hands out seeking financial redress for all their “wrongs”. Likewise with AZ — if the law does get struck down by SCOTUS (and that’s where this is headed sometime in 2011), AZ won’t be on the hook for wrongful arrest and restitution to 100,000 illegal “victims”.
So this is all good people…it could be better, but hardly the victory the Left wanted, and in private, they’ve been given a pretty good scare. Apparently “preemption” isn’t going to sail right through like they thought it would.
Michael Shea
There's more
kchand Thursday, July 29th at 1:34AM EST (link)Sheriff Joe can still hold them as he always has, just not under a new state law but federal law. He calls ICE, as he’s always done. Now, I, private citizen, can bring a lawsuit against the city of Phoenix if I have evidence they are operating as a sanctuary city.
As of midnight, there will be more tools in the immigration enforcement toolbox; just not as many as hoped … yet.
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so a driver's license could be good for 21 years?
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 5:40PM EST (link)What about registration, insurance, professional license. Think I’ll let the property taxes slide for a few years too. No wonder “Diaz” is relieved. I can see how re-upping stuff gets to be a bit of a bother.
Actually, in AZ your driver's license is good until
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:11PM EST (link)you’re 65. If you’re 25 when you get one, it’s good for 40 years.
becker, r u serious?
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:31PM EST (link)You don’t have to go in periodically to change photos or anything? You can stay 115 pounds forever? Always blond? No grey? I wanna a drivers license from there! Do they put d.o.b. or just an age? . Man, I getta get one of those. I’m not 65 but if I get a license now I can fudge on it and keep it for 25 or 30 years. Here you have to change your picture every few years and you’re suppose to give your accurate weight if you mail in your form, but I haven’t met anybody that does.
You get a new one only if you move
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:58PM EST (link)and you can renew online and change only your address.
It’s the fountain of youth.
Disappointed but not surprised
Frank_Katz Wednesday, July 28th at 5:50PM EST (link)by the ruling of yet another judicial activist. What makes the government’s preemption argument particularly absurd here is that the Arizona law doesn’t conflict with established federal law, but rather makes the Obama administration’s refusal to enforce that law visible for all to see.
The fact is that AB 1070 wouldn’t force the administration to do anything with those persons remanded to ICE, but if ICE refused to take those persons into custody it would have to explain its intransigence to the American people.
Frank Katz
This is George W. Bush's Fault
crassus (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:16PM EST (link)Under George W. Bush, over 6 million illegal aliens came into the country. Over 2 million children of illegal aliens were born, and given citizenship. Now they are here to stay. Remember that next time- in 2008, Romney, McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee had all supported amnesty. But people still voted for them.
Mitch Daniels and Jeb Bush are loved by Erick. They oppose SB 1070 also, and support amnesty for illegal aliens.
Please cite Erick's love for Govs Daniels and Bush (Jeb) ...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:21PM EST (link)I’ve not noticed “love” toward Daniels, although there was some discussion of just how far down his throat Daniels got his foot with that “truce” nonsense….
… and Jeb has been out of office for a while.
Just sayin’.
Mew
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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein
"Love" may be overstating it, but ...
crassus (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:43PM EST (link)https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=erick+erickson+jeb+bush&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=CKRsreL9QTJT1HofAzQTfk9GqCgAAAKoEBU_QfZD6
http://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/5782949560
I agree that SB 1070 is not the end all be all. However, Bush and Daniels are on the record as for amnesty. Additionally, I do not know anyone who has opposed SB 1070 who is not for amnesty. No one. Zero.
The reason SB 1070 is important is because it is the single first thing that has been done to stop the illegal alien invasion.
Disagree, Crassus.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:24PM EST (link)SB 1070 is hardly the “first” thing that has been done. Cesar Chavez leading his union of farm workers to physically assault illegals was much, much earlier. (and is also good for making union heads explode…)
SB 1070 might be a “litmus test”; that appears to be your interpretation, but it may also be “Proposition 13″… that is, something arguably conservative but with some very nasty unintended consequences. It’s too early to tell, unless you’ve got a working crystal ball. …
Mew
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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein
Marco Rubio, for starters
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:47PM EST (link)Tom Tancredo had reservations. George Will thinks it’s mostly symbolic. On this board, mbecker isn’t crazy about it. (I’m not averse to some form of amnesty in theory, so I won’t lump myself in.)
In addition, SB 1070 isn’t even close to being the first piece of legislation attempting to address the problem of illegal immigration. There have been attempts since at least the 80s, and probably since the 60s, dealing with it.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Rubio is pro-amnesty in reality
crassus (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:45PM EST (link)Additionally, he now supports SB 1070. And Tancredo is absolutely for it. He has been attending tons of rallies in Arizona.
Rubio did everything he could to stop anti-illegal immigration measures when he was Speaker of the House in Florida.
And the truth is SB 1070 was the first piece of legislation since Propositions in California in the 90s that tried to affect illegal immigration in a good way. What other attempts there have been to “address” illegal immigration were just various amnesties? What else did you have in mind?
Well, here in AZ
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:04AM EST (link)We’ve passed several laws dealing with the issue of illegal immigration before SB 1070, among them a couple dealing with employers who hire illegals. We have one that requires businesses to use E-Verify, a virtually costless system, and though it could use some tweaking, it works quite well. Welfare reform in the 90s, though it didn’t directly concern illegal immigration, barred immigrants from receiving government entitlements and Social Security (these efforts have since been weakened by executive orders and subsequent legislation, I’m afraid). The Republicans got Clinton to lower the legal immigration quotas in the 90s, as well (which was ultimately counter-productive, but still an effort to do something about the problem). I’m not sure about the specifics of the following states, but Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Nevada, and even non-border states, like Georgia and Philadelphia have anti-immigration laws on the books. All of the examples cited attempted to curb illegal immigration in some fashion or other, without using amnesty.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
You are right
crassus (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:37AM EST (link)I was referring to efforts to get illegals themselves. Many states have E-Verify. But SB 1070 was the first thing that really got the Treason Lobby scared. There was a reason for this. Also, immigration was not decreased in the 90s. It was increased big-time in 1990. There was a plan to decrease it in 1996, but it actually got gutted largely by Republicans, in particular Spencer Abraham from Michigan. Amazingly, in the mid 90s Harry Reid was a for of illegal immigration and citizenship for kids of illegal aliens. Furthermore, there were millions of illegal immigrants throughout the Clinton administration.
I agree that SB 1070 is not the end all- be all. But it still is Bush’s fault. Things like this would not be necessary, except Bush let in millions of illegal aliens.
The bill isn't about
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 3:11AM EST (link)getting illegals; it only allows checking of ID upon “lawful contact”, not mass immigration sweeps, which would unquestionably be un-Constitutional. The police, btw, already did that before SB 1070. The only things added to the books that weren’t already there were 1) a provision allowing the police to be sued if they don’t prosecute this duty with sufficient vigour. I have no idea who would have legal standing to sue for a victimless crime, but there it is. 2) Some new employer sanctions, which I agreed with, but which will never be implemented because of the giant red target that the rest of the bill is for lawyers. SB 1070 was almost completely -completely!- unnecessary, because police were already doing everything mandated by the law as a matter of policy, and as a result of some earlier state laws. Your argument seems to be that, because illegal immigration didn’t cease in the 90s, there weren’t efforts to stop it. BTW, SB 1070 won’t stop illegal immigration, and it probably won’t even slow it down (though lower demand for construction work just might). It’s purely symbolic, and won’t do anything to solve the problem. The best things states can do is disbar illegals from accessing our public services (perhaps sans emergency rooms) and stiff employer sanctions. Rounding up the illegals would be prohibitively costly and a waste of limited police resources.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
outlawing sanctuary cities?
MF (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:42PM EST (link)Wasn’t a key part of the bill to essentially outlaw sanctuary cities in AZ? And wasn’t Phoenix set up as a sanctuary city? Please correct me if I’m wrong, because it’s possible.
Ostensibly, yes
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 3:49PM EST (link)In reality, the only part of the bill that is peripherally related to that issue is the provision wherein a private citizen may sue police officers for not executing the provisions of this law to their fullest extent. This has two problems: 1) I have no idea what private citizen would have legal standing to sue for a victimless crime, or what damages they might receive. I assume that the drafters of the bill have thought this through, but if they have, they haven’t filled the rest of us in, and it could get hairy. 2) The sanctuary cities’ (Tucson, and now, Phoenix) problems run a little deeper than police checking immigration status (something that is already done by the police force in both cities). The problem is more with use of city, municipal, and state services without having to provide documentation, IMO. So to answer your question, yes and no.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
An addendum
kchand Thursday, July 29th at 1:40AM EST (link)Saw a report today that a significant majority of companies in AZ do NOT use e-verify. Just sayin’.
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Those reports are right
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 2:55AM EST (link)the biggest reason being that there is no incentive for government officials to go after them. IMO, we should increase the fines to a punitive amount, and allow the prosecuting agency to keep a cut of whatever that fine is for every company that is successfully fined/sued.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Precisely - give the States a way to make a buck...
acat (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 10:28AM EST (link)cracking down on companies that hire illegal immigrants .. and the whole issue becomes more manageable… not to mention improving the economics of the States on two fronts – first, services costs go down, second cash receipts from fines goes up.
Mew
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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein
SB 1070
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:08PM EST (link)is quickly becoming the Che shirt of the conservative movement: the trendy thing supported out of symbolism that is either ineffectual or harmful to the cause. Most of what this bill mandates was already being done by the police, only now they are liable to get sued by citizens if they don’t do those things with sufficient vigour (who would have standing to sue for a victimless crime, I don’t know). The guaranteed result of this is that Hispanics in general will be much more reticent to talk to the police about anything, and that illegals and those who know them will be even more tight-lipped (despite the fact that little in this bill is new). Moreover, enforcement, legal standing, and other aspects of the law will be challenged in federal and state courts, and it will be some time before it can be enacted as a result. This means that the one beneficial aspect of the law, employer sanctions, will be suspended for some time, as well. Russell Pierce and Jan Brewer’s defenses of the bill are all over the place (see Russell’s “defense” here), and it is being affirmed more as a cultural “us versus them” symbol, than as a piece of effective legislation.
Mind you, it’s fun to see leftists wail about the dark night of fascism, and I almost want to be for it just because of how delectably sharp a stick it is to poke in Obama and Co.’s craw, but treating it as the sacrosanct, end-all, be-all of illegal immigration, or a litmus test of sorts for candidates, is silly.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I read the pleadings, both the complaint and the application for injunction. They are jokes.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:56PM EST (link)The argument that SB 1070 was “field pre-emption” was and is ludicrous. Under the Obama DOJ’s rationale, any state or locality damned well better be careful if it makes arrests of any nature based on federal statutes, even when jurisidiction is concurrent (as has been previously held in immigration cases).
Yes, I support SB 1070, but intellectual honesty would compel me to condemn this rejection of the application, along with the DOJ lawsuit itself, if I opposed it. This was such shoddy lawyering I don’t think Holder and that cabal thought they would prevail. The only reason I can see they did, unfortunately, is that another political hack in a black robe made a career move today. It isn’t outside the realm of possibility that even the 9th Circuit will reverse today’s injunction.
The proper thing for the judge today would have been to toss the lawsuit and impose sanctions due to this case’s frivolous nature. Fortunately we do have appellate courts that aren’t as prone to whore themselves and district judges.
Sorry. Change "rejection of the application"
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:00PM EST (link)to “grant of the injunction.”
I agree with you
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:22PM EST (link)I didn’t say that I thought that all court challenges were equally valid. It’s the 9th Court; they recently decided that people can’t watch Chipotle workers making food, as it would deprive people on wheelchairs from enjoying the Chipotle experience (sadly, I’m not kidding).
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
You are correct.
kchand Thursday, July 29th at 1:45AM EST (link)Bolton confused federal law with federal law enforcement.
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The ‘N’ word is November! Nov 6, 2012 will be the next cleansing.
This reminds me of the 5th cir moratorium decision
cactusjack Thursday, July 29th at 11:24PM EST (link)I have not read the filed suit and responses but I understand the first moratorium injunction was tossed out because there was so little evidence presented that it even failed the very easy to pass “arbitrary and capricious” test of government action. A government can get away with almost any action by the appropriate department deemed in its discretion, even if it is illogical. But there has to be some evidence to support even that & the court here said, not enough. Like you said, shoddy lawyering. But with a friendly judge as your tailwind all things are possi ble for the libs…..
aesthete- I hope you are very happy, you got what you wanted
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:29PM EST (link)the Libertarian dreamboat has come home for you. Congratulations, your dream will soon be realized. The rest of us will rot. Thanks big guy.
ps- As Rush said today
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:30PM EST (link)this was about right and wrong. Wrong won.
Sure, Scope
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:29PM EST (link)“SB 1070 is pointless symbolism” = “I hate you all, agree with Obama on every count, and yearn for your destruction”. Scope, I try to at least parse the meaning of your words before replying caustically. I’d appreciate if you did the same, and tbh, you’re not doing much to disprove my theory that support for SB 1070 is mostly based on emotion (there are some outliers, like George Will).
BTW, it wasn’t a battle between right and wrong, it was a battle between “well reasoned” and “insane”. As usual, the 9th went with “really, really insane”.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
If This is the Best They Can Do. . .
msctex (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:28PM EST (link)I’m going to be typing that header many times between now and November.
It really is getting tragicomic.
So let me get this straight....
SirGladiator (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:36PM EST (link)Basicly the courts ruled today that illegal immigrants and sodomites=good, and Christians=bad. Also, that checking a drivers liscense violates the liberties of legal immigrants, but presumably for everybody else its still OK? The forces of evil and insanity have truly won the day, we really need to impeach some of these judges, their rulings have gotten so insane and evil that it defies all logic or belief, these types of rulings you might expect in the former soviet union, certainly not the United States of America. Its definitely a terrible day for justice, and this underscores once again the importance of having a President who will appoint judges who are actually sane and good. 2012 will be extremely important indeed.
It also underscores the need to stay focused on 2010 and elect a Congress
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:45PM EST (link)with the spine to make sure this president never gets off the mat between now and 2012. If this asinine ruling–I won’t get in the weeds but it is pathetic–doesn’t motivate you to vote this autumn, nothing will.
Good Fight For Conservatives
crosley (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 6:50PM EST (link)This is not the fight Democrats want right now, the best thing that could happen is the issue goes away. Do you really want to fight against something that 70% of Americans are in support of?
AZ Democrats in particular are toast. Goodbye Harry Mitchell, Gabbie Giffords, and Kirkpatrick. The current Governor Jan Brewer will win her election by 15 points minimum.
The greatest effect this law had was that illegal immigrants are leaving AZ in droves anyway. That was the main intention of the law, not actually capturing illegal immigrants. Eventually, I do see the Supreme Court upholding most of this law.
I hate activist judges, but honestly, a BIG reason why Bush won in 2004 was because of unelected activist judges decreeing gay marriage was legal.
Liberals are shooting themselves in the foot.
How will this affect Rhode Island's law?
katesmith (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:00PM EST (link)Rhode Island has been detaining illegals after being stopped for unlawful acts since 2008 and no one has complained. John Kyl recommended Judge Bolton in 2000.
So has AZ
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:09AM EST (link)before SB 1070. Most of what the bill mandates was being done by the police in AZ long before it was written, AFIAK.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Why do you think this funny?
annas Wednesday, July 28th at 7:06PM EST (link)If they can allow all these illegals to vote them back in…..it does not seem a laughing matter to me. Just sayin…………..
What I think is funny is...
Dave Poff (haystack) (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 7:31PM EST (link)how stupid they are and how stupid they think we are. This won’t hold up in subsequent appeals…not based on the logic of this pathetic Judge. This fight is far from over…but it is hilarious to hear their justifications and watch them contort themselves in an attempt to SOUND reasoned and sensible, when all they accomplish is coming off looking like blathering idiots.
This will not stand-the American people have votes…and they are coming soon-real soon.
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
~Sam Adams
I am not laughing
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:01PM EST (link)I might if this judge represented a small ultra-liberal minority in the judicial system. Unfortunately she is all too common.
In a better world, AZ could immediately go to the next highest appeals court and get this stay thrown out on the grounds that it is completely idiotic. In an even better world, someone would file a complaint against this judge and have her thrown off the bench and disbarred. Then, maybe then, I would be laughing. In this world, I don’t even have confidence that the Supreme Court will rule with an once of wisdom.
This is a textbook example of why Elana Kagan should be filibustered
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:00PM EST (link)She is as worthless a judge….wait, that’s right, she’s never even BEEN a judge….but if she ever had been, Bolton’s activism will pale in comparison to hers.
But she’s got a “good story” – right? Or was that Sonia Whatshername?
Gov. Brewer needs to go 2nd Amendment
vmo335 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:20PM EST (link)the washington times had an article about this just a coupla days ago. Brewer can raise militia and defend her state if the gov’t refuses to do so. I was amazed to discover, yet again, how forward thinking the founding fathers were on safeguarding the states against a negligent federal government.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/16/obama-lawsuit-invites-fortified-state-militia/
I would love to see
NoDoze Thursday, July 29th at 12:03AM EST (link)just one state governor, preferably Texas governor, stand up the state militia and defend our borders, but that is just the sort of thing the Progressives/Marxists are waiting for. That would give them the opening and excuse to declare martial law. I think you can guess what the end result of that would be.
If I ever get stopped by the Police again
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:37PM EST (link)I am going to tell him/she that they are infringing on my rights as an American citizen. I’ll point out the Arizona law. Make a bet, because I’m white, I will be in the pokey.
After today, I am done, done, done and done. Bad enough that we learned today that the SEC has no obligation to honor FOIA requests. They can close anyone down with no reason, and, no information will be coming forward as to why. I am so done with politics, you copuld not believe. Why, because we don’t have the first Republican in Congree to stand up to this shi!. Today has literally been the worst day of my life. I can’t fight, or hope any longer. I agree with the old guy that called Rush today.
just say, No Comprende
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:47PM EST (link)nt
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Actually I predicted this a few months ago (I think on this site)
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:52PM EST (link)Holder would have NEVER brought this forward if he was not absolutely certain that he would get the kind of ruling he wanted.
Honestly guys sometimes you all are a little naive. If you think this judge wasn’t profiled and tampered with before hand you have an almost childlike understanding of power politics and how things really work.
This was a done deal fromt he word go. The fact that the ruling allowed some things but not the main thing is proof enought that it is a “political” ruling and not a judicial one.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
kyle- I don't remember if
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:34PM EST (link)it was this case, or, the moratorium case in LA where there the Federal Gov. requested that the same judge here all cases pertaining to that issue. I think it was this one. Get the judge we want to decide everything at once. BINGO. Done deal. I’m pretty sure it was this case. Shouldn’t the feds not be allowed what judge is assigned their case? There has got to be some kind of tampering going on here.
exactly right, and I am not cynical
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:11PM EST (link)I am realistic.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Mark Levin just read your WHOLE diary haystack....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 8:55PM EST (link)and he is linking to it on his website…………….YOU ROCK!
Unified Patriots – How-To:
Activists Taking Action
[blushing]REALLY?!?!
Dave Poff (haystack) (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:26PM EST (link).
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
~Sam Adams
Great post, and it looks like we'll need an abundant supply
penguin2 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:25PM EST (link)of popcorn. I couldn’t believe what the judge said. How do these people sleep at night knowing they are undermining the basic tenets of right and wrong.
Congratulations ‘Stack. I don’t get Levin here, but I bet he enjoyed reading it.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots
Go to his website, it's free...
audax (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 7:44AM EST (link)here is link:
http://marklevinshow.com/home.asp
then click on audio, there is a two month library of past shows.
Audeamus pro audere est facere
Comfirmed.
Ron Robinson (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:27PM EST (link)Levin and Rock. I heard it too while driving to the local CofC mtg.
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California Republican Central Committee
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Unified Patriots – How-To: Activists Taking Action!
Nobody should have been surprised by the District Court's action.
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:03PM EST (link)Even a more conservative judge may well have decided that s/he’d leave it to the big boys and girls to deal with the issue. District Courts ain’t much on that causing controversy stuff usually.
The Ninth Soviet will, of course, uphold the district and maybe even add more insults and usurpations. They’ll do it first with a three judge and then AZ will have to go to an en banc, and they’ll do the same thing but a year will have passed. Then it goes to the SCOTU, and they rule in AZ’s favor and just in time for the ’12 election, the AZ law will be “selected not elected.” Sound familiar?
People on our side of the ditch are astoundingly naive sometimes! Doesn’t much matter if you’re an R or a D, if you do something that upsets the applecart, you’re likely to lose in the trial court, and will almost always lose at the preliminary injunction level. If it is something that can be fixed with money, the judge will just figure the government has plenty of money.
In Vino Veritas
Agreed on several points
cactusjack Wednesday, July 28th at 9:18PM EST (link)1. This is what district courts tend to do.
2. The main issues will go up to SCOTUS and much better odds there though nothing is ever guaranteed.
3. The 9th Cir Ct App., if their opinions were currency, would be inflation ridden virtually worthless. They have the highest reversal rate of any app ct in the US, last I checked. THough they might jump inon the issue of preemption where even Bolton feared to tread, since the 9th has greatest experience in interplanetary law of any app ct.
4. Swerving back into, it is very intriguing she didn’t rule on preemption, against AZ. This is potentially a big win for the good guys down the road.
5. If I had to give up the spanking the 5th Cir gave Obama on drilling in the Gulf, in exchange for “winning” this one today, I’d leafve this as it is and take the big, manna from heaven win given to the good guys by the 5th cir in NO. Obama has not been on a winning judicial streak by a long shot.
Can/will the DOJ appeal those parts of the ruling they didn't "win"?
SoFiMil (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:25PM EST (link)(Such as preemption?)
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Right now it is up to AZ to appeal
cactusjack Wednesday, July 28th at 11:52PM EST (link)and they will appeal anything procedurally or substantively they need to to get this “up on appeal”. BTW for those wondering about the preemption thing, that is the issue of whether States are “preempted” (prevented) from acting in an area heretofore thought to belong only to the feds. Such as border security. Had the court ruled the State is preempted, it would have been terrible for us and hurt us not onlyl here but all kinds of other cases in the future,all 50 states too. To my knowledge she did not. So presumably, the State is still able now move in on some areas where feds act or are not acting as they should. They are fighting about the whens and wheres and hows of proper ways of the State to move in.
Uh Huh- I guess that is why the judge in the moratorium ruled against the moratorium
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 10:05PM EST (link)and, the next higher court ruled against it as well. Prollay not so cut and dried, unless of course you think the government is the Messiah, and, there is nothing beyond that.
Have a good night.
Just trying to find silver lining on a dark cloud
cactusjack Wednesday, July 28th at 10:18PM EST (link)and noting the conservatives, when you think about it, have been getting some backstopping from the judiciary, at times and places they havent expected it like on McCain Feingold overturning and 5th Circuit on the first moratorium. Still have to win at the polls. Bolton is a Clinton appointee and elections have consequences. She did not touch preemption from what I read in another thread on RS, and that down the road is potentially as big for us as Tenth Amendment. Hope I’ve clarified, Scope, you are one of the coolest most prolific and on point posters on RS and I won’t have the best night having caught some flak from Scope.
Scope, it really is better to remain silent and only be thought a fool than to type and remove all doubt. nt
Achance (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 2:51AM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
I Expect The Full 9th Circuit To Throw The Entire Law Out (nt)
IJB Wednesday, July 28th at 11:06PM EST (link)They are well known as the most ultra lib
cactusjack Wednesday, July 28th at 11:22PM EST (link)circuit court of appeals in the US, and are famous for being reversed more than any other such court. Honestly you have to hope they stay in character and go ultra lib crazy on this when it comes up to them, overreach on several substantive points of law, and basically make such a mess of the case that the SCOTUS has to take it on all the merits and un-do the damage. Sort of like in 2000 when the ultra lib Florida supreme court went so overboard against the XIV amendment with Gore v Bush, that SCOTUS had to take it though they didn’t want to, to prevent civil unrest, basically. The danger is they (9th cir) will rule very narrowly, and “conservatively” such that SCOTUS doesn’t have grounds or doesn’t want to touch it. and leaves Bolton’s decision essentially in place, a strategic draw and tactical win for Obama.
They might, though I doubt it, surprise you.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:41PM EST (link)After all, they upheld our law requiring a state issued photo ID to vote.
If they do uphold the current stay, I would expect SCOTUS to come in 5-4 in favor of AZ in a narrow ruling with Kennedy being the swing. He’s pissed off enough at TheOne I’m figuring him for a vote against whatever the Administration is for.
Per Gov. Brewer...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 9:19PM EST (link)@ Hannity interview: Arizona will file an expedited appeal to the Ninth Circuit.
Judge Bolton’s opinion is so baseless and makes such a mockery of federal immigration law and lack of enforcement, even the Ninth Circuit will have a hard time upholding the Stay of Execution.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
AZ Decision Nullifies State Safety Agencies
devan95 Wednesday, July 28th at 10:16PM EST (link)The good news is that states will now be able to save millions of dollars by firing thousands of state workers who now work for OSHA-like state agencies that enforce federal safety laws. PARTY!!
SB 1070 was a poorly written law
cabanon Wednesday, July 28th at 10:40PM EST (link)so this isn’t surprising at all.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
What specifically is poorly written in this law?
deano64 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:37PM EST (link)Are you talking about the whole law as it’s written or specific parts? If your talking specific parts please let us know which ones. This law mirrors federal immigration law. Well except for federal immigration law pretty much allows for racial profiling and this one does not.
Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
Aww crap. I think I just violated my own policy
deano64 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:42PM EST (link)of not feeding the trolls. Sorry, won’t happen again.
Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
Its really simple
cabanon Thursday, July 29th at 2:39AM EST (link)Federal preemption on regulation of immigration, the fact that it is similar to federal immigration law doesn’t really matter, immigration is not the states legal domain. There is an enormous amount of precedent for this that has held up in the courts for years.
Now if AZ wanted to make it a crime punishable by death for a business owner to hire an illegal, that would be fine. Or if they want to make it a crime punishable by death to pick up an illegal day laborer in your car, that would be fine as well. Because they wouldn’t be tinkering with regulating immigration. See the difference?
SB 1070 was more of a political stunt challenging the Federal government’s authority and it did that but ultimately it won’t legally stand.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
1070 has already been effective
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:01PM EST (link)Since the law was first signed, many illegals have been lboarding up, packing up and leaving AZ for either home countries or other states. Getting out of town before 7/29. The whole point of the law was less illegals through “attrition”. The fear of the law finally catching up to them sent a bunch on their way so in that regard it has been effective even though officially it hadn’t even went into effect. Thanks to Bolton, however, I suspect AZ’s population will escalate once again and the border will be hoppin’.
Point of no return
takemccain2 (Diary) Wednesday, July 28th at 11:58PM EST (link)I can’t laugh, despite the utter absurdity of the judge’s argument because the insanity of her ruling has caused me to loose all faith in the system.
30 years of ignoring a problem which wouldn’t be a problem had our government minders been doing their jobs, has brought us a crisis situation.
Our republic in on the brink.
The trampling of the Constitution of the great United States continues. Fences remain uncompleted and feckless politicians dither instead of carrying out their oaths to defend this country against all enemies, foreign or domestic. As this farce plays out on the stage, robed aristocrats invalidate whole laws that don’t fit with their political opinions, stealing the voice of the people.
Yes.. stealing the people’s voice.
I looked at the pictures from Arizona today and saw these smiling and celebrating non-citizens, these criminals jumping for joy because they were able to game a corrupt system once again. Many in that crowd were paid stooges, anarchists and communists.
I look out across the nation and see two political parties, neither worth a damn. One party seeks only to ensure their power through political appointees, their media minions and whole-scale manipulation of law. The other party is just a feckless bunch of cowards who talk tough but won’t raise a finger to upset the status quo. They have one thing in common though to this voter. They can both go to hell.
There is no leader who will stand up and do what is right on this issue, not even the popular governor or NJ that everyone on here praises so much.
Our side has fought the fight and played by the rules, paid our taxes, built our communities, loved our country and obeyed the law.
What good has it done us?
I’m done. I’m done. I’m done.
The time for speeches has come to an end. The time to work within the system has come to an end. It is time for those of us on the enforcement side to explore other options.
I think, therefore I am not a Democrat. I fight, therefore I am not a Republican.
when do we get to countersue Mexico? /nt
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Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine
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Call me over suspicious, but why
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:37AM EST (link)do I sense the presence of Eric Holder pushing Bolton to reach this decision.
What a bunch of paranoid nonsense!
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:29AM EST (link)It’s an injunction, that’s all, pausing enforcement of some provisions until the judicial case is heard and ruled upon.
Sure, Bolton’s “logic” is ridiculous – she’s an idiot. Say, remember in 1992 when conservatives threw George H.W. Bush under the bus because of his tax pledge violation, and Clinton won? The Boy President nominated Bolton. But as some rush to condemn McCain for not filibustering her in 2000 (without any evidence it was even possible), they conveniently overlook that she was recommended to Clinton by . . . Jon Kyl. But sober evaluation of the facts has never been a characteristic of a lynch mob.
Conservatives deserted McCain in ’08, too, and Obama won and appointed Holder. Election do, in fact, have consequences, it seems. When my fellow conservatives act like petulant brats who take their ball and run home to pout whenever something doesn’t go their way, our side loses, and the country loses.
Part of becoming an adult is understanding you don’t always get your way, even when you work hard for it – and that you are far less likely to get what you want if you quit working for it. This is what is supposed to demonstrate the difference between us and the left – we grew up.
Act like it.
Sheesh!
About TV commentary on SB1070.
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:37AM EST (link)I lost count of how many times today an opponent of 1070 said something like “well maybe now Congress will get on the job and pass immigration reform to solve this problem.” I almost gag each time.
Folks, the problem can be solved without any new legislation. The ADMINISTRATION needs to get on the job and protect our borders as the Constitution requires. They aren’t doing it, and we, as non-Democrats, need to keep that idea foremost in everybody’s mind.
THE PROBLEM IS BEING IGNORED BY THE DEMOCRATS while they try to blame everybody else. This is a winning argument, and it doesn’t mention race, immigration, or Mexicans. We need to argue it this way.
As was noted above, this is about right and wrong. The O can’t tell us what is really on his mind because he knows that we will recognize it and we won’t like it. Therefore, their arguments are incoherent, confused, and confusing.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Unbelievable…. Only since 1989
scoutxlt Thursday, July 29th at 6:46AM EST (link)WOW…. Unbelievable, woman and doubtless the “Three Year Old” have been off the books since 1989, she listened to BHO and is afraid she is going to get picked up while eating ice cream at the local parlor. Somehow I suspect that isn’t the “Only” worry she has….
How about this, what would have happened to me had I say not paid my taxes since 1989…? Gee would I have anything to worry about….? Well I would say so… unless I were a Sitting Democrat in Congress that is…!
Of course her and her progeny, of the last 21+ years… have been on the lamb, ducking and dodging the INS, IRS, and a whole series of acronyms that have probably been either paying her and the balance of her family during their over extended stay in “OUR” Country. Not to forget the numerous years of schooling her children, and children’s kids have had for “FREE” and the Services they have utilized… without paying ONE RED CENT into the Tax Rolls…. Oh, nope…. I don’t see anything she needs to be worried about with this current administration, nor the sitting Congress… I’d bet that all those “Anchor Kids” are doing just fine on OUR DIME… But its Grandma & Grandpa or what ever is the appropriate familial reference in Mexico is, that are worried about getting picked up by the big bad sheriff while having an ice cream….
Nope… Nothing wrong here, just keep on walking…. no tax payers have been abused while considering this woman’s audacity to think she is owed a life long stay in the USA, because she came through the turn-style…. but “Forgot” to go back at the end of her stay.
UNBELIEVEABLE… the ultimate in self delusion and arrogance to believe We, the American People OWE her…. Why…?
McCain Must Go! This Is Decision He Wrote!
johna650 (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 8:31AM EST (link)This is a decision that could easily have been written by McCain. It reflects the amnesty bill he sponsored with Kennedy. It mirrors the arguments he advanced in support of his amnesty bill. The people of Arizona have to realize this is a decision that he secretly craved. He allowed this Bolshevik Judge to be appointed when he refused to block her appointment. The decision reflects the provisions he tried to force down our throats in 2007. We need to support JD with all of our resources. Whatever it takes to get rid of the “war hero” must be taken. I hope all of you realize that if the “war whore” has won the election he would have forced through an amnesty bill.
Repugnant.
moderaterepub Thursday, July 29th at 9:05AM EST (link)I think denigrating McCain as a ‘war whore’ is pretty gross and blaming him for Bolton’s ruling is stupid, but your comment is reflective of the tone and content of JD Hayworth’s anti-man/horse marriage, birther campaign.
Do you realise that not even Jesse Helms objected to Bolton’s nomination? In your world, is he also a Bolshevik? Sure, her judgment here is wrong but trying to score points off the fact that McCain, like every Republican in the Senate, didn’t block her appointment is clownish.
This affects the vote also
doncorleone Thursday, July 29th at 8:55AM EST (link)This injunction has intended consciences at the polling place also. They will not be able to inquire on the citizenship of potential voters. “Union” activists wouldn’t be sending busloads of “advisors” into Az. to initate, and expedite voter registration unless they had confidence in the outcome of bolton’s decision. This clintonista judge and her peers see an infinity sign next to the enumerated powers, along w/an affinity toward the prevarications concerning the letters of the law in sb1070, that have been spewed by the politicians on the left and their lackeys in the complicit “news” networks. By the time all of the wrangling, contorting and wrestling are thru, time will pass all the way up to and past, the ’10-’12 election cycle. It’s actually a pretty good hedge (if we have elections at all), and it allows them even more time to putrify whatever’s left of our Constitution.
sorry, consequences
doncorleone Thursday, July 29th at 12:14PM EST (link)old fart moment
Joint responsibility
arnwiesner Thursday, July 29th at 9:04AM EST (link)What disturbs me in this discussion is the avoidance of the obvious reality that illegal immigration dramatically increased during the Bush administration because of an official policy to not enforce penalties against businesses that hired illegals. If it were not profitable to republican allies to have a sub-minimum wage class, these people would have no reason to be here. NO One’s Hands are clean in this debacle!
That's a smidge disingenuous, arnwiesner
Dave Poff (haystack) (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 11:15AM EST (link)and I’m not picking a fight here…but to suggest this is Bush’s fault too doesn’t address the real problem that got us here.
Bush tried for a near-amnesty solution and the American people rose up and said NO. Obama, by inaction on enforcing the existing laws…and further using taxpayer money to sue AZ for at least trying to do SOMETHING…is essentially giving illegals that which we told Bush he could not do-
Who “started” this begins farther back than Bush…it’s the messy result of not doing what we were told by Reagan we would START doing the last time amnesty was granted-secure the border, and enforce the law he signed.
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
~Sam Adams
It's actually Teddy Kennedy's fault for the 1966 and 1986
renny (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 12:01PM EST (link)immigration bills, but thanfully, he didn’t get a 2006 comprehensive imm. bill.
Well, now he’s dead, and we only have ourselves to look to for the current status.
Nobody wanted to deal with illegals and be called racists. Now, since the Sherrod affair has defanged “racist,” maybe politicians can get beyond currying favors with La Raza and crew and actually protect the US and its citizens.
It will be easier for Reps. than Dems., who only see minorities as plantation slaves. Maybe a new Congress can step up.
Empathy
lwe6576 Thursday, July 29th at 9:56AM EST (link)This judge has what Obama wants – EMPATHY. Pathetic people in power.
For God's Sake, Call out the Militia!
jdelaney3 Thursday, July 29th at 10:48AM EST (link)If, in fact, the illegal alien problem is a clear and present danger to Arizonans, and if the feds continue to refuse to do their jobs, then why doesn’t the Governor call out the State Militia for border duty? What is she afraid of? It is her lawful right to do so. I can’t think of a more powerful expression of Arizona’s commitment to the rule of law, her citizens’ protection and state sovereignty than taking such a bold and courageous action. Arizona would be inundated with donations from Americans everywhere to pay for the call-up. This would put our arrogant Progressive overseers in DC on notice that enough is enough, a line has finally been drawn. Someone has to take a stand, or we lose it all.
jim delaney
I want to donate a fence post with my name on it
snowshooze (Diary) Thursday, July 29th at 1:15PM EST (link)If Arizona decided to begin building a fence, maybe even on an extremely limited level.. they could attract even more ire of the Federal Government.
They have a great fire going, I think it needs some gasoline.
Somehow, if they started building fence, I would bet that the Federal Government would just not be able to sit still for it. They would go crazy for some reason…I have no idea what it would be…and this would further demonstrate their obvious disdain. I can’t see a big downside to doing this like you will get with Militia action, it won’t cost much, one stick at a time, mostly for show, and we all could have a lot of fun.
Who are the Racists?
websmith Thursday, July 29th at 6:37PM EST (link)40% of black American male citizens and 25% of all Hispanic American citizens are not out of work primarily as a result of illegal immigration. A large percentage of those who have managed to hold onto their jobs, have had their wages driven down by the same illegal activities. Not wanting to deport illegal aliens is a racist act. Entire races of Americans are being thrown under the bus.
since Dreams of my Father, Obama confessed to being a racist - file under the category of quotes
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 12:50AM EST (link)Republicans won’t use
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
But we can call him a racist and anti-Semite
renny (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 8:12AM EST (link)and we are the grass roots.
Let the Reps. pussyfoot. The truth is hard to put a lid on when everyone knows everyone knows.
Mexican flag carried across field at Mets game, security tries to catch up
katesmith (Diary) Friday, July 30th at 11:42PM EST (link)The US is again unable to protect its borders involving Mexico. Game played in NYC at Mets Citifield v Arizona Diamondbacks. Arizona won 9-6.
Ok, so who did we steal Queens from, Indians or Mexico? - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, July 31st at 12:48AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson