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The health care bill isn’t a foregone conclusion just yet, but I’ve come to terms with the likelihood of its passage. Greater minds than mine know whether any of it can be undone at some point in the future, but what remains in the aftermath of the debate is a newly educated populace. We owe Mr. Obama a debt of gratitude for that.
We’ve learned about the filibuster and the reconciliation process. We’ve learned that bills really CAN be passed without being voted on. We’ve learned that we can “deem” things done without having to actually do them. AND, we’ve learned that bribery and corruption are only so illegal as the gift given in exchange for the specific special political favor. We still can’t steal from each other for our direct personal gain, but we CAN steal if the stolen goods are redistributed to a large enough group of people.
Remember – it wasn’t so very long ago that Republicans were fairly faulted for not doing the activism thing very well; the VRWC was never known for doing protests in great numbers or with very much effectiveness. The health care debate, among others, has changed all that. The question of whether the Federal Government should be allowed to take over 1/6 of the economy and be allowed to make our health care decisions for us has changed much of the group-think dynamic in America, and the ensuing argument between her citizens can be credited with having given birth to the Tea Party movement (among others). It has also given us a glimpse into the future of the Public discourse by way of the new dynamic at Town Hall meetings.
Going forward, these are very good things.
Mr. Obama, with his majorities in the House and Senate, has used his position to assert Federal authority over the Auto industry, the Finance industry, the Insurance industry, and soon enough the Health care industry (which will include the Student Loan industry-however little one has to do with the other). Don’t forget…the Energy industry is still in his sights, and he’s going after immigration next. It’s being reported that he supports a plan to make illegals legal and just call the illegal problem solved. Again, deeming a thing done without actually DOING anything. This is very instructive.
What he has given us to address going forward is the baseline question over just how big the Federal Government really ought to be; THIS, now, the official fundamental basis for the divide between the left and the right. And he’s armed us with inside knowledge about how things have been getting done under his watch. In election cycles to come, listening to the Candidates address the question of the size, scope, and reach of the Federal Government will be of paramount importance. Listening to their answers regarding questions of exactly how the Federal Government enacts legislation will matter as well…what we will have in our favor (“we, the People” that is) will be just how much we now KNOW about their chicanery, and the lengths they are willing to go to get things done.
Thank you Mr. Obama for making us care about the process now, just as much as we used to care about the outcome.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
OK, so...
gnomechumpsky Friday, March 19th at 2:33PM EST (link)IF, this does pass, what form does opposition take? What are the best tactics to use and the most effective means to combat it in a coordinated way? I truly want to do my part and will put aside many of the important things in my life to do so. We all have talent and skills. I’m sure many others are asking these sorts of questions.
Of course I am burning up phone lines until this vote comes. It ain’t over yet, but I don’t have much faith in conscientious democrats – if such a creature actually exists.
"What are the best tactics to use and the most effective means to combat it in a coordinated way?"
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:36PM EST (link)Because “Reply To This” does not always seem to work for me, this is in response to gnomechumpsky’s comment. Gnome, if you aren’t one already, UNITE with other conservatives INSIDE the Republican Party as a precinct committeemen so we conservatives can fill up all the empty slots, outnumber the RINOs, and thereby elect better, more conservative Party leaders and help ensure the BEST conservative candidates win the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections.
Our Party was at half-strength on Election Day, 2008, in its internal voting ranks — the precinct committeeman ranks. Those ranks were split about 50-50 between conservatives and RINOs. And it shows in the Party “leadership” and the candidates in the primaries. Want to turn the Party into a conservative powerhouse? Then we conservatives have to UNITE in the Party itself and vote in better leaders and help make sure more conservatives win the primary elections.
Go to the link below to learn more about this strategy.
Thank you.
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Thanks for posting this, CW
zollistar (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 12:45PM EST (link)And consider reposting this information every 8 or 10 days.
Your www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com is terrific. Thanks for creating it.
we live in intresting times...
I used a temporary email service. Friday, March 19th at 2:36PM EST (link)If this bill passes the rest of Obama’s term is going to be very interesting, and sadly even if the republicans take over its still going to be a hard struggle as the democrats are already setting up the narrative to obstruct everything we might try when we regain power.
Although I guess there is a positive side to the Fed being completely gridlocked for the next decade or so.
I am a fake.
Obstructionism???
lurker9876 Friday, March 19th at 4:33PM EST (link)Well, heck, we can deem them incompetent and pass anything we want!
sounds like a plan to me
I used a temporary email service. Friday, March 19th at 4:58PM EST (link)Cant’ find anything to complain about with your plan
I am a fake.
It's A Very Close Question
AndrewHyman (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 2:45PM EST (link)Haystack: “I’ve come to terms with the likelihood of its passage.” I’m not persuaded that passage is any more likely than defeat. And if I was persuaded about that, I might not say so.
I have come to terms with the likelihood...that is all :)
Dave Poff (haystack) (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 2:50PM EST (link).
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
~Sam Adams
Latest From Fox News
AndrewHyman (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 2:56PM EST (link)“The opposition from Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., dials back the number of House members leaning toward voting yes to 214, and the number leaning toward voting no to 217.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/19/ohio-democrat-flips-yes-health-care/
If that report is correct, then passage seems unlikely. Of course, that report may be incorrect.
Keep in mind that that the spin machine
SoulEspresso Friday, March 19th at 9:50PM EST (link)wants you to believe passage is inevitable, when it is certainly not. Yet.
If it is definitely going to happen, why are they talking about Easter now?
The real interesting question
sarg01 Friday, March 19th at 9:54PM EST (link)… is if they have the votes, why is Pelosi talking to Stupak earlier this evening? And why are the pro-abortion Dem leaders getting called into Pelosi’s office and leaving upset?
The real interesting question ...
joayn (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 11:57PM EST (link)sarg01, at The Hill:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/87989-pro-choice-caucus-angry-at-talk-of-pelosi-stupak-deal
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Those numbers sound right to me, and explain why Pelosi would talk to Stupak
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 12:06AM EST (link)nt
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I DEFINITELY wouldn't say so!
zollistar (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 12:48PM EST (link)And I’ll do what I’m doing now: e-mailing and calling.
And praying. Real on-my-knees prayers.
A myth BUSTED!
Justrand Friday, March 19th at 2:47PM EST (link)the myth: Conservative Democrats with convictions!
Busted!
The so-called “Blue Dogs” sniffed Queen Pelosi’s butt just as fast (and just as long) as the rest of the pack of Leftist dogs!
November 2010…Tidal wave!
Justrand
Could Not Have Scripted It Any Better
crosley (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:05PM EST (link)I hate that America has to go through these trials and tribulations, but I think you’re going to see the center of gravity move to the right in this country for a generation post Obama.
I’m never one to advocate the “winning by losing” strategy, but had John McCain squeaked through a win, the conservative movement would have really been in dire straits.
I’m amazed how quickly Obama shifted this country to the Right. We couldn’t have had a Ronald Reagan without first having a Jimmy Carter. I think the same is true today with Obama.
problem is the reverse is also true...
I used a temporary email service. Friday, March 19th at 3:07PM EST (link)Or at least I am firmly convinced we would not have had an Obama without a Bush
I am a fake.
I Agree
crosley (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:21PM EST (link)Though I don’t think it was because of “ideological overreach” like it is with Obama. Most of Bush’s policies were fairly popular, but when the War In Iraq went south and the economy imploded, Bush was at the top and he had to take the fall.
The 2008 election basically gave Democrats a blank check to nominate whoever they wanted, they no longer had to put up a more centrist Democrat like they did in years past, so we got Obama instead of the usual type of more moderate Democrats.
Dubya was a big government Republican
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:45PM EST (link)Dubya ushered in Obama because people who wanted small government got sick of the Republican Party. McCain was also a big government Republican. That’s why the small government purists decided to stay home in 2006 and 2008. Well, they sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. This has at least awakened them to the threat.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Obama delivers on the "Post Partisan Era"
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 10:46PM EST (link)meaning everyone becomes a Republican
My prayer has been
obladioblada Friday, March 19th at 3:08PM EST (link)that this thing will be defeated at the very last moment in a squeaker. AFTER lifting the veil on all of the graft, corruption, treachery and venality in all parts and all members of the political class. After revealing the true character of each of our politicians, and after creating an educated and engaged electorate.
Still waiting to see about the last moment defeat part…
Reaction to the newly awakened actions
talgus Friday, March 19th at 3:10PM EST (link)With a decisive November, perhaps we may deem impeachment for those still in office. And deem a lose of benefits (health and pension, to help with the deficit) for all those public servants addicted to over-spending other people’s money. Then, we can deal with the violence from the true leftist (10-20% of the population). They will not be denied, and they will assuredly draw first blood.
The question is
wgsampson Friday, March 19th at 3:36PM EST (link)How long will it take us to save the patient? People talk about taking back the Republican Party, but I wonder if conservatives are just now taking over the party for the first time. The Reagan Revolution was conservative, but Republicans of that era were still fairly moderate or progressive. The ’94 revolution moved the party farther to the right (which is why Republicans took control of the house for the first time in almost a century), but their were still too many establishment moderates and progressives. The current grassroots infusion of conservatism is just helping us take a giant leap in the right direction.
People are identifying themselves more and more as conservatives. Most people are anti-union, more young people are pro-life. College campuses are turning around despite professors, because liberals have abortions not kids. Professors are also viewed in a negative way.
Liberalism is the establishment, and conservatism is the true counter-culture.
55555: Liberalism is the establishment, and conservatism is the true counter-culture!!!
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:49PM EST (link)That is a fact!
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Texas
wgsampson Friday, March 19th at 4:34PM EST (link)is thought of as conservative, but it wasn’t until 20 years after the Reagan Revolution for Republicans to we finally take over the State Legislature for the first time since reconstruction. Too many very conservative states are still run by democrats, although that is changing. I think that this will be a good year for local conservatives in local elections. We will become the establishment again, it’s just going to take awhile.
Another series of events moving the country to the right:
SoulEspresso Friday, March 19th at 9:46PM EST (link)The utter failure of the government’s intervention in the economy to bring it back around. Crony capitalism–the failures of Wall Street are rewarded, while small business are still getting hosed.
Another thing we've learned
JoeSwiss Friday, March 19th at 3:42PM EST (link)to expect/have been reminded of is for States to finally step forward into the role the Founders had for them as described in the Federalist Papers.
States, we’re waiting … Your day has come.
“Power being almost always the rival of power … the people, by throwing themselves into either scale, infallibly make it preponderate.” FP 28
There are some rays of sunshine
CowboyUp4419 (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 3:42PM EST (link)We now have learned a nifty little trick to give political cover to recalcitrant members on contentious votes so after the GOP reassumes power we’ve got a roadmap for fixing Social Security. Hopefully anything we lose when Obamacare makes health care more expensive will be made up by getting an actual real return on our FICA taxes.
more to be thankful for
lineholder (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 4:46PM EST (link)This is my first post at Red State. I’m glad to see someone pointing out the things to be thankful for. I want to share a little bit of information that might be encouraging to all of us. After spending eighteen years in the manufacturing sector, I’ve gone back to school for economic reasons. It has allowed me to have the opportunity to be around a lot of young adults. The most amazing things are beginning to take place with this generation of American citizens. Even for those who may support the health care reform bill in principle, they think the timing of it is rotten for economic reasons. So from their viewpoint, they are watching a bunch of “noble, honorable” politicians choosing to try to pass a really badly timed pieced of legislation by questionable ethical means. What has ended up happening for these young adults is that it is causing them to question what part moral and ethical values play in political decisions. They aren’t buying into this attitude that the end ALWAYS justifies the means. They have been sharing a lot of opinions with each other on this matter. There has a been a shift in their viewpoint towards traditional values such as honesty and integrity. With this new viewpoint of traditional values in mind, they are looking at the Constitution in a way that they haven’t in the past. There is a totally new respect that these young adults are developing for the efforts that were made by our founding fathers to establish legislative that provided us with individual freedoms and liberties. They are actually becoming passionate in their desire to protect and preserve those liberties and freedoms. They see the future of this country as being their own to determine. They aren’t inclined to allow the decisions that are being made now serve as an obstacle that gets in their way of protecting those freedoms. They want to see the integrity of this nation restored for our own sakes. Trust me when I say that spirit of patriotism lives and breathes with a flame hotter than Hades itself in the hearts and minds of these young adults. They put my generation to shame. The seeds that are being sown by the events taking place aren’t all negative or destructive. I just wanted to share this with others in the hopes that it might be a means of encouragement to us all.
Are they still phoning legislators to push Obama's legislation?
Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 7:01PM EST (link)Have they started to use their tactics and their free time to affect the political process in favor of freedom?
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Do not stop fighting hard!
Sheet Anchor (Diary) Friday, March 19th at 6:36PM EST (link)Hi All ~
Do not give up this fight. This is not over at all. See this report from Rep. Eric Cantor. They still do not have the votes.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/GOP-Dems-are-bluffing-dont-have-the-votes-88683327.html