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		<title>By: Harold_Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-31</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: texaspatriot</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-30</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our country is in a mess because we have walked away from so many of our foundational Christian truths.  A lot of folks don&#039;t necessarily equate money management with morality but the two are linked.  As Christians we must walk the talk.  It all starts at home:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Fiscal responsibility.  Be a good steward of what God has blessed you with.  Stay out of debt!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Take care of your parents in their old age.  Folks SS started as a program for widows and orphans and now look at it--out of control.  It is our responsibility as children to financially care for our parents as they age&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Continue to care for our communities and folks in need.  The Church in the U.S. does a great job but we must do more to save people from the government welfare gulag.  Every person we get back on their feet is one less ward of the state.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Each of us doing the little things each day to be responsible managers of our money to help ourselves and our communities--is a small step toward helping restore true liberty in our Republic&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;God Bless Folks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our country is in a mess because we have walked away from so many of our foundational Christian truths.  A lot of folks don&#8217;t necessarily equate money management with morality but the two are linked.  As Christians we must walk the talk.  It all starts at home:</p>
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<p>Fiscal responsibility.  Be a good steward of what God has blessed you with.  Stay out of debt!</p>
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<p>Take care of your parents in their old age.  Folks SS started as a program for widows and orphans and now look at it&#8211;out of control.  It is our responsibility as children to financially care for our parents as they age</p>
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<p>Continue to care for our communities and folks in need.  The Church in the U.S. does a great job but we must do more to save people from the government welfare gulag.  Every person we get back on their feet is one less ward of the state.</p>
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<p>Each of us doing the little things each day to be responsible managers of our money to help ourselves and our communities&#8211;is a small step toward helping restore true liberty in our Republic</p>
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<p>God Bless Folks</p>
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		<title>By: Harold_Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-29</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Harold_Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-28</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we need real spiritual education among our youth.  The real problem we are having among our churches is that most Christians don&#039;t know how to walk in the Spirit.  This is primarially because we love the things of this world more &amp; secondly because we are lacking spiritual leaders who personal know how to walk in the Spirit themselves and can teach others also.  I would add that not walking in the Spirit also destroys our testimony with the world because we have nothing better to offer them than what they already have.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The scriptures tell us that if ye walk in the Spirit ye shall not fullfill the lust of the flesh.  Every problem you have given would be nullified if people would learn to walk in the Spirit.  Walking in the Spirit is a daily battle for believers, one that most are not aware of, but that Paul addresses in Romans 7 with the solution in Romans 8.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, as I stated above, we can not effect a permanent heart change in our nation without the power &amp; life found only through the Holy Spirit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fight on!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need real spiritual education among our youth.  The real problem we are having among our churches is that most Christians don&#8217;t know how to walk in the Spirit.  This is primarially because we love the things of this world more &amp; secondly because we are lacking spiritual leaders who personal know how to walk in the Spirit themselves and can teach others also.  I would add that not walking in the Spirit also destroys our testimony with the world because we have nothing better to offer them than what they already have.</p>
<p>The scriptures tell us that if ye walk in the Spirit ye shall not fullfill the lust of the flesh.  Every problem you have given would be nullified if people would learn to walk in the Spirit.  Walking in the Spirit is a daily battle for believers, one that most are not aware of, but that Paul addresses in Romans 7 with the solution in Romans 8.</p>
<p>In short, as I stated above, we can not effect a permanent heart change in our nation without the power &amp; life found only through the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Fight on!</p>
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		<title>By: redeagle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-27</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think what we Christians are missing is that we need to speak out for the good of all people. This is God&#039;s world-it is not our job to make anyone believe anything-we are just to get out there and preach the truth.(and pray much)
Practically though, when our young people are reaised in such a secular culture, and as I am in a classroom and see Chrisitian students melt right into the forum of liberalism, I must say that we must have the parents teach more at home.
We also must get to our youth leaders and not only plan fun group stuff, Bible lessons, etc. we must also teach our students about Civics. I truly beleive this as Christian students are so  indoctrinated in only the liberal stuff-academics, social norms, media, peers, etc.
I know this is lengthy but we must also fight against giving out welfare to people who could work. It gets people trapped into a lifestyle that could be a life long one. 
Case in point. Look at all the young teens getting pregnant, living with mom and dad and drawing welfare, getting abortions paid with tax dollars, living with men who work but they do not marry and the mother and child/children draw  welfare, oung girls getting pregnant and then do not learn the first time and get pregnant again and then let the state care for them.What a waste of people&#039;e life to always have to live this way. These people never reach their potentional, etc. Not is it not only detructive to our economy it is not Biblical not to be responsible. We have got to quit being intimitated by liberalism.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what we Christians are missing is that we need to speak out for the good of all people. This is God&#8217;s world-it is not our job to make anyone believe anything-we are just to get out there and preach the truth.(and pray much)<br />
Practically though, when our young people are reaised in such a secular culture, and as I am in a classroom and see Chrisitian students melt right into the forum of liberalism, I must say that we must have the parents teach more at home.<br />
We also must get to our youth leaders and not only plan fun group stuff, Bible lessons, etc. we must also teach our students about Civics. I truly beleive this as Christian students are so  indoctrinated in only the liberal stuff-academics, social norms, media, peers, etc.<br />
I know this is lengthy but we must also fight against giving out welfare to people who could work. It gets people trapped into a lifestyle that could be a life long one.<br />
Case in point. Look at all the young teens getting pregnant, living with mom and dad and drawing welfare, getting abortions paid with tax dollars, living with men who work but they do not marry and the mother and child/children draw  welfare, oung girls getting pregnant and then do not learn the first time and get pregnant again and then let the state care for them.What a waste of people&#8217;e life to always have to live this way. These people never reach their potentional, etc. Not is it not only detructive to our economy it is not Biblical not to be responsible. We have got to quit being intimitated by liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-26</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;small enough to think that Obama is no more a Christian than William Ayers and Rev Wright and the rest of his cast of millions :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;of &lt;em&gt;course&lt;/em&gt; the 46% of those who believe in God and voted for Obama did so for the &lt;em&gt;sole&lt;/em&gt; reason that the GOP&#039;s pushing of religion turned them off. I mean, think of &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; the ads the McCain campaign ran promising to end abortion and enshrine in the Constitution an ammendment banning gay marriage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mean, &lt;em&gt;surely&lt;/em&gt; they didn&#039;t vote for Obama because they saw no real difference between McCain&#039;s vote for the bailout and Obama&#039;s, or that the GOP has become indistinguishable from the Dems in spending their money, or that McCain never hung the Fannie/Freddie mess around their necks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mean, come on, Jaded, how small minded can you be?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Snark....off&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of <em>course</em> the 46% of those who believe in God and voted for Obama did so for the <em>sole</em> reason that the GOP&#8217;s pushing of religion turned them off. I mean, think of <em>all</em> the ads the McCain campaign ran promising to end abortion and enshrine in the Constitution an ammendment banning gay marriage.</p>
<p>I mean, <em>surely</em> they didn&#8217;t vote for Obama because they saw no real difference between McCain&#8217;s vote for the bailout and Obama&#8217;s, or that the GOP has become indistinguishable from the Dems in spending their money, or that McCain never hung the Fannie/Freddie mess around their necks.</p>
<p>I mean, come on, Jaded, how small minded can you be?</p>
<p>Snark&#8230;.off</p>
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		<title>By: exitsfunnel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously we&#039;re not going to settle anything.  In any event, this issue is about to play itself out on a much larger scale than you and I.  At the very least, it will be entertaining to watch it unfold.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-exits&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously we&#8217;re not going to settle anything.  In any event, this issue is about to play itself out on a much larger scale than you and I.  At the very least, it will be entertaining to watch it unfold.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-23</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;not God...good gracious some people have lost their collective minds....plus Republicans stayed home or wrote in another name.  It wasn&#039;t a vote against religion....heck Obama used God and religion more than McCain or anyother running politician except for President Bush!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not God&#8230;good gracious some people have lost their collective minds&#8230;.plus Republicans stayed home or wrote in another name.  It wasn&#8217;t a vote against religion&#8230;.heck Obama used God and religion more than McCain or anyother running politician except for President Bush!</p>
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		<title>By: aaronbg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because that is how it came across.  Let&#039;s not be silly exits.  People didn&#039;t vote against God in the election...they voted against McCain and voted for Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that is how it came across.  Let&#8217;s not be silly exits.  People didn&#8217;t vote against God in the election&#8230;they voted against McCain and voted for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-21</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;in the Northeast or the West by imploring Christian to do this and Christians to do that.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Translation: Christians, sit down, shut up, and move to the back of the bus please (except when we need you votes every 2/4/6 years)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How dare those wascally Christians encourage each other and not know there place.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>in the Northeast or the West by imploring Christian to do this and Christians to do that.</em></p>
<p>Translation: Christians, sit down, shut up, and move to the back of the bus please (except when we need you votes every 2/4/6 years)</p>
<p>How dare those wascally Christians encourage each other and not know there place.</p>
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		<title>By: exitsfunnel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ninety-two percent of Americans believe in God and yet the GOP standard-bearer only carried 46% of the popular vote.  Funny that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-exits&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ninety-two percent of Americans believe in God and yet the GOP standard-bearer only carried 46% of the popular vote.  Funny that.</p>
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		<title>By: exitsfunnel</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m being absolutely consistent.  I&#039;m not lobbying anyone to limit what Harold can and can&#039;t post on Redstate.  I&#039;m just arguing the politics of the issue.  I think that a lot of social conservatives underestimate the degree to which believers of secular government feel alienated by the GOP.  And when I use the phrase &#039;believers in secular government,&#039; I&#039;m not referring to atheists or agnostics, but to people of all faiths who are more comfortable keeping their religion separate (at least in the most overt sense) from their politics.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The GOP&#039;s just not going to win in the Northeast or the West by imploring Christian to do this and Christians to do that.  The party is on the brink of becoming essentially a Southern party and that&#039;s really unfortunate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-exits &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m being absolutely consistent.  I&#8217;m not lobbying anyone to limit what Harold can and can&#8217;t post on Redstate.  I&#8217;m just arguing the politics of the issue.  I think that a lot of social conservatives underestimate the degree to which believers of secular government feel alienated by the GOP.  And when I use the phrase &#8216;believers in secular government,&#8217; I&#8217;m not referring to atheists or agnostics, but to people of all faiths who are more comfortable keeping their religion separate (at least in the most overt sense) from their politics.  </p>
<p>The GOP&#8217;s just not going to win in the Northeast or the West by imploring Christian to do this and Christians to do that.  The party is on the brink of becoming essentially a Southern party and that&#8217;s really unfortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;REALLY? why would you say such a thing when over 92 percent of American&#039;s believe in God?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/June/200806261547511CJsamohT0.6362116.html&quot;&gt;How silly the secularists are when 92 percent of Americans believe in GOD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And lo and behold 65 percent of Americans believe that the Founders intended for us to be a Christian nation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19031&quot;&gt;Darn those stupid Americans and their perceptions&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now exits and sailormike not being a religious person myself the first thing I recognized about this particular diary was THIS ISN&#039;T FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIAN so for you both to intrude on a diary with your bogus opinions of how the GOP should abandon the Religious Right is first off out of line and second not in keeping with the majority of Americans.....why not just go on and join the HUMANIST group!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALLY? why would you say such a thing when over 92 percent of American&#8217;s believe in God?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/June/200806261547511CJsamohT0.6362116.html">How silly the secularists are when 92 percent of Americans believe in GOD</a></p>
<p>And lo and behold 65 percent of Americans believe that the Founders intended for us to be a Christian nation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19031">Darn those stupid Americans and their perceptions</a></p>
<p>Now exits and sailormike not being a religious person myself the first thing I recognized about this particular diary was THIS ISN&#8217;T FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIAN so for you both to intrude on a diary with your bogus opinions of how the GOP should abandon the Religious Right is first off out of line and second not in keeping with the majority of Americans&#8230;..why not just go on and join the HUMANIST group!</p>
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		<title>By: exitsfunnel</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously I understand that there is no language in the bill of rights guaranteeing people freedom &#039;from&#039; religion.  I was just using a (possibly clumsy) rhetorical device to point out that the whole topic of the bill of rights was a straw man on eburke&#039;s part as I wasn&#039;t arguing that Harold&#039;s post should be prohibited on any grounds, constitutional or otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-exits&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously I understand that there is no language in the bill of rights guaranteeing people freedom &#8216;from&#8217; religion.  I was just using a (possibly clumsy) rhetorical device to point out that the whole topic of the bill of rights was a straw man on eburke&#8217;s part as I wasn&#8217;t arguing that Harold&#8217;s post should be prohibited on any grounds, constitutional or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;And as far as all of the &#039;those preaching tolerance stuff&#039; and something about the arts community in Sacramento goes, I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I assume that you&#039;re throwing some kind of canned argument at me, the relevance to my post of which, I can hardly guess&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;it reflects that you perhaps are not as erudite and well-informed as you believe yourself to be as I&#039;m betting that most on this site wouldn&#039;t view the reference as some sort of &#039;canned argument&#039; but rather a reflection on news that was fairly extensively reported yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for this statement:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;I missed the part of my post which said that Harold&#039;s diary should only be permissible on Religious websites&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know, perhaps I got that idea from this statement of yours:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;given the subtitle of Harold&#039;s diary - Warning: This diary is intended solely for Christians - wouldn&#039;t it be more appropriately posted at a religious website rather than a poltical one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please do try to be consistent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to the rest of your reply, Aaron covered the &#039;freedom from religion&#039; part pretty well. If he didn&#039;t, I would refer you to many of the Founders speeches and writings (specifically Washington&#039;s farewell address and John Adam&#039;s writings) to address the meme that somehow the founders expected/wanted/demanded that our political system and discourse be purged of religion.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>And as far as all of the &#8216;those preaching tolerance stuff&#8217; and something about the arts community in Sacramento goes, I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. I assume that you&#8217;re throwing some kind of canned argument at me, the relevance to my post of which, I can hardly guess</p>
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<p>it reflects that you perhaps are not as erudite and well-informed as you believe yourself to be as I&#8217;m betting that most on this site wouldn&#8217;t view the reference as some sort of &#8216;canned argument&#8217; but rather a reflection on news that was fairly extensively reported yesterday.</p>
<p>As for this statement:</p>
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<p>I missed the part of my post which said that Harold&#8217;s diary should only be permissible on Religious websites</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t know, perhaps I got that idea from this statement of yours:</p>
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<p>given the subtitle of Harold&#8217;s diary &#8211; Warning: This diary is intended solely for Christians &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it be more appropriately posted at a religious website rather than a poltical one?</p>
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<p>Please do try to be consistent.</p>
<p>As to the rest of your reply, Aaron covered the &#8216;freedom from religion&#8217; part pretty well. If he didn&#8217;t, I would refer you to many of the Founders speeches and writings (specifically Washington&#8217;s farewell address and John Adam&#8217;s writings) to address the meme that somehow the founders expected/wanted/demanded that our political system and discourse be purged of religion.</p>
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		<title>By: aaronbg</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-15</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;You missed the part of the Bill of Rights which states that our nation needs to be free from religion&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;You are just completely wrong on this. Unless you can quote something that isn&#039;t there.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>You missed the part of the Bill of Rights which states that our nation needs to be free from religion</p>
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<p>You are just completely wrong on this. Unless you can quote something that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
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		<title>By: exitsfunnel</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-14</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You missed the part of the Bill of Rights which states that our nation needs to be free from religion and I missed the part of my post which said that Harold&#039;s diary should only be permissible on Religious websites.  Harold is free to post whatever he wants on RedState, I never denied that.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m just expressing the opinion that the GOP would be better served if it were viewed as less overtly religious.  If the GOP wants to be a viable national party it&#039;s got to make it&#039;s case on secular grounds, even if, individually, members are motivated to participate by their religious beliefs.  Or it can just be a Southern party.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And as far as all of the &#039;those preaching tolerance stuff&#039; and something about the arts community in Sacramento goes, I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I assume that you&#039;re throwing some kind of canned argument at me, the relevance to my post of which, I can hardly guess.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-exits&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I&#8217;m just expressing the opinion that the GOP would be better served if it were viewed as less overtly religious.  If the GOP wants to be a viable national party it&#8217;s got to make it&#8217;s case on secular grounds, even if, individually, members are motivated to participate by their religious beliefs.  Or it can just be a Southern party.</p>
<p>And as far as all of the &#8216;those preaching tolerance stuff&#8217; and something about the arts community in Sacramento goes, I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. I assume that you&#8217;re throwing some kind of canned argument at me, the relevance to my post of which, I can hardly guess.</p>
<p>-exits</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-13</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;appropriately posted at a religious website. I must have missed the part of the Bill of Rights which states that our nation needs to be free &lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; religion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the fact that Harold said &#039;for Christians only&#039; is just a manifestation of the gestalt which Christians have been molded into. They&#039;re so used to be told that their voice has no place in public discourse that they feel the need to quailify their religious opinions with a note that they &#039;understand&#039; that they &#039;shouldn&#039;t&#039; be trying to force their views on others. Kinda like the unfortunate belief by the individual in Sacramento who was &#039;outed&#039; by the arts community for supporting Prop 8. He found the need to &lt;em&gt;apologize&lt;/em&gt; for his beliefs becase &#039;they hurt people&#039;s feelings&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If anything, you should be thanking Harold for being cognizant and sensitive to the possibility that non-Christians might find disagreement and/or angst with his worldview.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead, as usual, those preaching tolerance the loudest are, well...the least tolerant of differing views.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Typical.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>And the fact that Harold said &#8216;for Christians only&#8217; is just a manifestation of the gestalt which Christians have been molded into. They&#8217;re so used to be told that their voice has no place in public discourse that they feel the need to quailify their religious opinions with a note that they &#8216;understand&#8217; that they &#8216;shouldn&#8217;t&#8217; be trying to force their views on others. Kinda like the unfortunate belief by the individual in Sacramento who was &#8216;outed&#8217; by the arts community for supporting Prop 8. He found the need to <em>apologize</em> for his beliefs becase &#8216;they hurt people&#8217;s feelings&#8217;.</p>
<p>If anything, you should be thanking Harold for being cognizant and sensitive to the possibility that non-Christians might find disagreement and/or angst with his worldview.</p>
<p>Instead, as usual, those preaching tolerance the loudest are, well&#8230;the least tolerant of differing views.</p>
<p>Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/harold_vaughn/2008/11/13/christians-stand-up-stand-up-fight/#comment-12</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;consistency. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, the next time you posit in a diary that life should be areligious, you&#039;re willing to state right now that you will be ok with those who believe that religion is the foundation of a just society posting that you need to get out of your cocoon while they remake the world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just checking.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>So, the next time you posit in a diary that life should be areligious, you&#8217;re willing to state right now that you will be ok with those who believe that religion is the foundation of a just society posting that you need to get out of your cocoon while they remake the world.</p>
<p>Just checking.</p>
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