The time to step up is now. We fight not just for our country, but for our families and for those not yet born. The information below is voluminous and it is merely a primer. Taking back our country requires understanding the power of the states in contrast to federal power. It requires we grasp the historical context of how the federal government absconded with powers the founders clearly never intended it to possess. The answer is clear – a lack of understanding and apathy. If you find you are too busy to take the time to understand your role in taking back this country and ending the fiscal insanity, then your contribution to this countries demise is a forgone conclusion. If you say, “I am too busy with my job” or “I have children”, know that if you fail to act quickly that job may not exist in a year. Know that you will watch in dismay your children and their children’s future abandoned to those whose very existence is to take from you and continue taking from you, leaving nothing but small remnants of a once great spirit of independence, until that too is gone. If you are prone to apathy, leave this page. If you are ready to begin the fight towards your freedom, continue reading.
Michelle Malkin makes an excellent implicit case for why nullification is the only way back to federalism and the Tenth Amendment Center provides extensive education and commentary on the subject itself. Let us start with Michelle as she questions the ability of Republicans to lead us out of the sinkhole:
Now, I want you to read every word of what Andy McCarthy has to say about the GOP leadership’s abandonment of Jim Bunning — and what it says about the lack of Republican fortitude in the war against the permanent, ever-growing Nanny State.
Andy speaks the truth. Hard truths. And fiscal conservatives/Tea Party activists need to shout them from the rooftops. I’ve invoked Phyllis Schlafly many times over the past year in urging the GOP to provide true choices instead of echoes. Actions speak louder than words. So, alas, does feckless inaction.
Maine’s Susan Collins took to the Senate floor to assure Americans that Bunning’s radical views about Congress’s not spending yet more billions it doesn’t have “do not represent a majority of the Republican caucus.” And sure enough, they didn’t. Once Bunning backed down, the measure passed by a whopping 78-19.
Think about that. We are talking about $10 billion in a year when Leviathan is slated to spend a total of $3.6 trillion. The majority of Senate Republicans joined Democrats in concluding that the allocation of every one of these 3.6 thousand billion dollars is so vital that not one of them could be sacrificed in favor of unemployment insurance. So another $10 billion just gets heaped on the already unfathomable trillion-dollar deficits stacking year upon year.
Read the entire post. The realization that salvation exits with neither political party is an a priori and tacit argument the federal government is responsible for creating this mess and cannot, by design, be the architect of solutions to restoring fiscal responsibility and individual freedom. This is not to say principled politicians do not exist in Washington – I can think of a few – but most politicians are just that…politicians. Self-interested, disconnected, contemptuous elitists. For those in the Tea Party, it is a calculated risk that your candidate somehow is cut from a different cloth. In reality, you will fare no better than the average citizen. As I write these words, salivating, power hungry impostors wait to prey on the wishes and dreams of Tea Party members everywhere. I am your candidate, they will say. Even those with honest designs are not immune to the corrupting influence of Washington, for the system is fundamentally broken and it is impossible to remove a sitting U.S. Congress member. It is not, however, impossible to recall a governor or a state legislator and it is here that Tea Parties, nullification, and real power collide in the perfect storm of the restoration of constitutional governance.
So what is one to do? The answer – nullification. No, nullification is not secession and no, nullification is not a violent act. The Tenth Amendment Center describes nullification as follows:
First, nullification has, in fact, been somewhat successful in the past and more recently as well. Second, as President Obama loves to say, “Let me be clear”: “Official” nullification has ALREADY HAPPENED.
Before I explain why “official” nullification has already happened, let me briefly give some examples of what nullification is NOT
Nullification is not secession or insurrection, but neither is it unconditional or unlimited submission. Nullification is not something that requires any decision, statement or action from any branch of the federal government. Nullification is not the result of obtaining a favorable court ruling. Nullification is not the petitioning of the federal government to start doing or to stop doing anything. Nullification doesn’t depend on any federal law being repealed. Nullification does not require permission from any person or institution outside of one’s own state.
So just what IS “official” nullification you might be asking?
Nullification begins with a decision made in your state legislature to resist a federal law deemed to be unconstitutional. It usually involves a bill, which is passed by both houses and is signed by your governor. In some cases, it might be approved by the voters of your state directly, in a referendum. It may change your state’s statutory law or it might even amend your state constitution. It is a refusal on the part of your state government to cooperate with, or enforce any federal law it deems to be unconstitutional.
Nullification carries with it the force of state law. It cannot be legally repealed by Congress without amending the US Constitution. It cannot be lawfully abolished by an executive order. It cannot be overruled by the Supreme Court. It is the people of a state asserting their constitutional rights by acting as a political society in their highest sovereign capacity. It is the moderate, middle way that wisely avoids harsh remedies like secession on the one hand and slavish, unlimited submission on the other. It is the constitutional remedy for unconstitutional federal laws.
With the exception of a Constitutional amendment, the federal government cannot oppose (except perhaps rhetorically), a state’s decision to nullify an unconstitutional federal law without resorting to extra-legal measures. But such measures would more than likely backfire, since most Americans still affirm that might does not make right.
There is no question as to whether or when “official” nullification will happen: It has ALREADY HAPPENED. In fact, not only has it happened recently, it has been a success! Perhaps this is why the federal government hopes you will never hear about it. According to the Tenth Amendment Center:
25 states over the past 2 years have passed resolutions and binding laws denouncing and refusing to implement the Bush-era law [REAL ID Act]..While the law is still on the books in D.C., its implementation has been “delayed” numerous times in response to this massive state resistance, and in practice, is virtually null and void…
…There are a whole host of peaceful actions that a state government can adopt if that day comes or appears to be just over the horizon. These measures range from county sheriffs requiring that federal agents receive written permission from the sheriff before acting in their county, to setting up a Federal Tax escrow account, which could potentially de-fund unconstitutional federal activities by requiring that all federal taxes come first to the state’s Department of Revenue.
Besides state interposition, the other thing Washington would have to consider, is whether enough of their agents would actually obey orders to punish people for exercising their constitutional rights. There is a significant chance that enough of them would either publicly or privately decide in advance to ignore such orders. As the probability of this increases, it becomes more likely that Washington will not risk overplaying its hand. The reality is that Washington just doesn’t have the manpower to enforce all their unconstitutional laws if enough states choose to defy them.
More on federal tax escrow accounts and the willingness of federal agents to execute orders deemed unconstitutional below.
For more information about nullification I strongly encourage the reader to visit the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and type in nullification in the search bar. Lots of very interesting reading. Additional information can be found at the Social Security Institute.
The TAC also writes Our Goal is Federalism, not “States’ Rights”:
Foundationally, states don’t have rights as a government, states have power. Power at the federal and state level is derived from the consent of the governed, the people, who do have rights our governing agreements were designed to protect. Inspired by careful historical study, years of debate, considerations, and the declarations of colonies, towns, and associations (prior to July of 1776) the fundamental rights of the people were articulated in the preamble of our Declaration of Independence…
…Let every member of every organization supporting state sovereignty and federalism cleanse the language so our opponents cannot easily attack the wrong target. Should they target federalism and the original meaning we can defeat them with truth. Freedom is not outdated, federal government is an agreement among the people of different sovereign states, the 10th Amendment has never been repealed, and virtue is still necessary for securing our posterity’s future rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
So if I were to ask you to identify the final arbiter of the U.S. Constitution, the correct answer is not the U.S. Supreme Court, but rather the states themselves. Allowing the U.S. Supreme Court – part of the judicial branch of the federal government – to rule on federal powers presents a problem. Dr. Larry Hunter informs us (emphasis mine):
The resolution explicitly disclaimed that the national government was the judge of its own powers. Allowing it to judge its own powers would be akin to permitting an agent, rather than the principal, to determine the breadth of the agent’s authority. The law of agency at its most basic level recognizes that an agent can act as such only subject to the consent and control of the principal to whom the agent owes a fiduciary duty (see Restatement [Second] of Agency, sec. 1). Just as A, B, and C, the partners in a business firm, decide what authority to give their agent Z, so the parties to the Constitution decide the powers of the national government. In light of such logic, Jefferson proclaimed in the resolution that “each party [to the federal compact] has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measures of redress” (Virginia Commission 1964, 144). For Jefferson, the people acting through their states — the authentic organs of government — were the final arbiters of constitutional interpretation. Jefferson feared that giving the federal government the exclusive power to interpret the Constitution through the Supreme Court would lead to arbitrary government. As John Taylor later wrote in his Construction Construed and Constitutions Vindicated, “a jurisdiction, limited by its own will, is an unlimited jurisdiction” ([1820] 1970, 131). With the states stripped of the power to construe the Constitution, the enforcement of constitutional limitations on the central government would be chimerical. Thus, it is not surprising that none of the convictions under the Sedition Act were appealed to the Federalist-dominated Supreme Court. The Republicans did not want to give the Court an opportunity to set a dangerous precedent.
If we remain sheep, apathy lays the foundation for us and our descendants of a people enslaved to the whims of a capricious few. Nullification begins with the state legislative and executive bodies, when the previously lorded over sheep transform into self-reliant wolves. It requires of us and our state leaders great strength of character and leadership. If they are not up to the task – we can replace them. At times, we must be prepared to stand with them shoulder-to-shoulder – literally and figuratively. The goal of any nullification movement is critical mass. Using ObamaCare as an example – assuming it passes, if enough states nullify the law and governors coordinate the effort with the will and strength of the people at their backs, ObamaCare will collapse. Federal repercussions will be swift:
When I talk to people about these principles – most agree, like Martin Luther King Jr. said in his famous “Letter from Birmingham jail,” that there is a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. But, they’ll often ask, even if states pass laws to nullify unjust and unconstitutional federal acts, the feds will still continue to tax us and punish our states financially for not complying – so what can we REALLY do?
One idea, which will take a great deal of courage on the part of the People and their state governments, is to establish what’s being called a “Federal Tax Escrow Account” or a “State Authority and Federal Tax Funds Act.”
Already introduced in Georgia (HB877), Oklahoma (HB2810), and Washington (HB2712), such laws would require that all federal taxes come first to the state’s Department of Revenue. A panel of legislators would assay the Constitutional appropriateness of the Federal Budget, and then forward to the federal government a percentage of the federal tax dollars that are delineated as legal and Constitutionally justified. The remainder of those dollars would be assigned to budgetary items that are currently funded through federal allocations and grants or returned to the people.
Naturally, the U.S. Supreme Court would label such an act unconstitutional, but as stated above, such an action by the Supreme Court amounts to empty words and rhetoric. The natural progression of such actions, given enough states and a determined populace, will be the nonviolent return of federalism. While it is possible events unfold in such a manner leading to a showdown between, for example, national guard troops and/or civilians and the U.S. military, it is highly unlikely the U.S. Military will follow orders that are obviously unconstitutional. After the forceful removal of guns from citizens in the aftermath of Katrina, many in law enforcement and the military began a serious a deliberate debate on the issue. Oath Keepers states the following on their site:
The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” — Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island
Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army — and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states.
Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.
Included in the link is a list of orders member will not obey.
We can take great lessons from Martin Luther King, Jr. and his approach to the civil rights movement, as well as Gandhi and the issue of British colonialism in India. A passive-aggressive approach can work if executed correctly.
It is no longer the case that most of us sacrifice for our freedoms. We know of those who did so in the past and do so even today. We honor them on special holidays and then go about our business. Lately, some find themselves prone to attend rallies, send faxes, call and email their federal representatives, only to sit back and watch Washington arrogance ignore our calls for sanity.
It is now clear to many the way forward – the only way forward – is through the states. We may slow our slide into fiscal disaster and European style socialism with leveraged federal pressure, but inaction at the state level – read nullification – we only delay the inevitable. So now is the time to begin. Now is the time to transform.
Perish as sheep, or thrive as a wolves.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Fascinating diary.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 3:39PM EST (link)Question, however: Why couldn’t the Supreme Court hear a challenge to a nullification law?
And IF the Supreme Court struck down the law, why couldn’t the federal government move to enforce the Court’s order.
Seems to me — unless I’m missing something — nullification works only if citizens of a state are willing to resist the federal government PHYSICALLY.
Viet71
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:04PM EST (link)Read the post again and check out the information about the Real ID act.
If enough states nullify a law, there is no way to enforce it. Also, look at MLK’s journey. Using passive-aggressive techniques, he was able to take the final showdown with Wallace standing in the doorway and blocking African American students from entering a University to his advantage. With cameras rolling, the National Guard, answerable to the governor, refused to protect him and were prepared to physically remove him. Now this is nullification in reverse, as this act provided more power to the federal government and was a blow against federalism.
Also, as stated in the post, it is clear the Supreme Court is not the final arbiter of the Constitution – the states are, and the argument is presented:
“The resolution explicitly disclaimed that the national government was the judge of its own powers. Allowing it to judge its own powers would be akin to permitting an agent, rather than the principal, to determine the breadth of the agent’s authority. The law of agency at its most basic level recognizes that an agent can act as such only subject to the consent and control of the principal to whom the agent owes a fiduciary duty (see Restatement [Second] of Agency, sec. 1). Just as A, B, and C, the partners in a business firm, decide what authority to give their agent Z, so the parties to the Constitution decide the powers of the national government. In light of such logic, Jefferson proclaimed in the resolution that “each party [to the federal compact] has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measures of redress” (Virginia Commission 1964, 144). For Jefferson, the people acting through their states — the authentic organs of government — were the final arbiters of constitutional interpretation. Jefferson feared that giving the federal government the exclusive power to interpret the Constitution through the Supreme Court would lead to arbitrary government”.
So yes, the Supreme court would hear the case and likely strike it down. However, as they are not the final arbiters of the constitution it would be empty rhetoric. The question remains that IF nullification lead to an armed confrontation, would the parties under the order of the President or other federal authority commit an unconstitutional act. I talk about this above, but there is a great deal more to discuss.
It comes down to who is perceived to be on the correct moral side. For MLK, the cameras were rolling and segregation was seen by the majority to be morally bankrupt. Therefore Wallace could not maintain control of the situation. The National Guard did not surround the University and await the arrival of the Military in preparation for a standoff. They turned on Wallace.
The same would apply here. Yes, there may be a physical passive-aggressive confrontation. The students in the incident above faced off with the governor who faced off his own National Guard. A physical confrontation does not mean violence is the end result.
Nullification, unlike secession (I hope I spelled it right), is a political solution and a constitutional solution. It has taken years for the federal government to take away our powers, slowly but deliberately. It will take some time to get them back. We will need a tipping point, a hot button issue, an egregious violation that causes the population to explode. Creative and charismatic leaders will be needed to calm down violent tendencies and a roadmap to federalism via nullification planned in advance. It is a process, not an event.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
I understand what you say so elegantly.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:33PM EST (link)My point is about the reality of power.
Viet71
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:38PM EST (link)I am not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate?
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
I thought you were leaving (nt)
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Let's say a state nullifies a federal law.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:52PM EST (link)Let’s say SCOTUS strikes down the state law. And let’s suppose the President orders the state national guard to enforce the Court’s order.
Will the citizens of that state stand up against the national guard?
Yes, I believe they could
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:57PM EST (link)In a passive-aggressive manner. Not a physical fight mind you, but massive civil disobedience. That is assuming the guard would ignore the governor and follow the president, which is not a foregone conclusion. You are also talking about a specific incident, while I am talking about widespread coordinated actions. There will always be a point where the federal government will collapse under its own weight.
Naysayers of this approach only lack imagination. It takes guts, it takes gumption, and it takes perseverance. I don’t doubt the MLK and Gandhi had their Achance’s and Neil’s. Thankfully, they both had what it took to meet their goals. I am not ready to give up on this country yet.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
I am with you in spirit.
Viet71 (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 5:02PM EST (link)I’ve been and am a warrior.
I know battle.
I also know when to retreat from battle.
Ah, the Art of War!
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 5:51PM EST (link)I also like Warrior Politics.
However, what I am talking about here is more like a game of chess, not a revolution. Those that conclude I am somehow talking about insurrection have not read the post or scanned it very quickly, jumping to conclusions that are just not there.
As the TAC stated above:
“Besides state interposition, the other thing Washington would have to consider, is whether enough of their agents would actually obey orders to punish people for exercising their constitutional rights. There is a significant chance that enough of them would either publicly or privately decide in advance to ignore such orders. As the probability of this increases, it becomes more likely that Washington will not risk overplaying its hand. The reality is that Washington just doesn’t have the manpower to enforce all their unconstitutional laws if enough states choose to defy them.”
I have seen this firsthand at the state level:
Case in point. In OK they passed a law requiring police officers to round up illegal immigrants in jobs and deport them. The police refused, saying they did not possess the manpower to do so. In the end, the police won the day. It is not that they did not want to follow the law – they were physically unable to enforce it.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Realistically, though, it's not that the President would send in the troops...
MacAoidh (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 7:12PM EST (link)…but rather withhold federal funding from an entire host of programs and thus seek to bankrupt the states.
And if a state found itself with a budget shortfall of some 40-50 percent of its outlays and have to de-fund its universities, health care, road maintenance, law enforcement and other operations most people see as being core responsibilities, the consequences could be simply too hot for governors and legislators to handle.
I agree that nullification has possibilities. But I think to make it happen you’d almost have to have a president who was in on the idea and willing to devolve power to the states on a de facto basis by refusing to fight them as they nullified federal law. An Obama equipped with a Chicago political mentality and the ability to print fiat currency is simply not going to be beaten by a governor and a state legislature.
Check out MacAoidh’s commentary on Louisiana and national politics at TheHayride.com
MacAoidh
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 11:37PM EST (link)That is what the escrow accounts are for. Some states are already setting up for this as I indicate above. I will repeat it here because I know the post is rather long:
One idea, which will take a great deal of courage on the part of the People and their state governments, is to establish what’s being called a “Federal Tax Escrow Account” or a “State Authority and Federal Tax Funds Act.”
Already introduced in Georgia (HB877), Oklahoma (HB2810), and Washington (HB2712), such laws would require that all federal taxes come first to the state’s Department of Revenue. A panel of legislators would assay the Constitutional appropriateness of the Federal Budget, and then forward to the federal government a percentage of the federal tax dollars that are delineated as legal and Constitutionally justified. The remainder of those dollars would be assigned to budgetary items that are currently funded through federal allocations and grants or returned to the people.
So you see, the purse strings would not be controlled by Washington. A rather interesting idea has also been floated about. A large number of people max out their deductions, thereby starving the federal government until Tax day the following year. You would pay a penalty for owing too much, but the effect would be rather noticeable. I don’t like this approach as it is not very coordinated and the impact to seniors who rely on Social Security checks is not known to me. I don’t like to play a game unless I know all the rules. Nullification makes greater sense as the people assist in getting state governments to commit and coordinate with other state governments. This allows one access to a greater pool of strategical thinkers.
Think of it like a network whose speed and computation ability increase in a non-linear way with each added node. This mitigates the law of unintended consequences.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
There's an insightful book called "Apostles of Disunion"
Achance (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 4:52PM EST (link)by Dew that you should give a read. None of this stuff is new. Amazon has it here: http://www.amazon.com/Apostles-Disunion-Southern-Secession-Commissioners/dp/081392104X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267825681&sr=1-1
In Vino Veritas
I do NOT advocate Secession
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 5:00PM EST (link)If you think the federal government will solve our problems, fix the deficit issue, win against socialism and somehow, someway find its way back to sanity then you have not paid any attention to the last hundred years of history.
I won’t be a slave. Nullification is a reasonable solution to a problem of insanity.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Don't lecture me! If you'd actually read anything here
Achance (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 5:28PM EST (link)you wouldn’t be lecturing me and snarking at moderators about the superiority of your new-found ardently believed “nullification” scheme. I have in fact paid a great deal of attention to not just the last hundred years but the whole history of this Country. The overweening federal government will either be conquered at the ballot box or with the bullet box; there’s no in between.
In Vino Veritas
Achance
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 5:34PM EST (link)Again, I submit that belief that extremes are the only possible way is nothing less than a lack of imagination.
Read Walter Myer’s “Taming the Tyrant”. I don’t agree with everything he says, but a peaceful nullification movement is possible. My God man, Gandhi freed an entire continent from British colonial rule. Have we all lost our strategic wits or something?
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Ghandi had a lot of help from the US' anti-colonial
Achance (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 6:00PM EST (link)and, essentially, anti-British policies post War. And then we wound up with the mess of India being a left leaning almost satellite of the Soviet Union in the aftermath.
In Vino Veritas
You miss the point
GJ Merits (Diary) Friday, March 5th at 11:43PM EST (link)The point is not the aftermath, nor is it the influence of outside forces. The point is that Gandhi’s approach was one of non-violence. We did not tell him to do it and the Brits could have said the heck with public opinion, we are going to slaughter a few hundred thousand of these upstarts and put an end to this.
Morally they were wrong. Morally, Wallace was wrong. Morally, we would be on the side of right in a modern nullification movement.
Again, the context is very simple – what did Gandhi do and why did he do it? Everything else is incidental to the main point of the argument. Tangential flights to the main point only serve to deflect from the actual case being made and made successfully. Such an approach is the last gasp of one whose arguments do not pass muster. They bring up the irrelevant to distract from relevant.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Morally wrong? Whose morality?
Achance (Diary) Saturday, March 6th at 4:05PM EST (link)I’ll guarantee you that segregationist Southerners thought theirs was the morally right position, British colonialists thought theirs was the morally right position, and every Lefty in America today that will admit the concept of morality thinks that universal health care is a moral right.
You’re just one of those obnoxious true believers; now keep your promise and leave.
In Vino Veritas
My promise
GJ Merits (Diary) Saturday, March 6th at 11:49PM EST (link)Was not to leave. It was to quit debating the issue with Neil, who did not appear to have a grasp of the issue itself and was disrespectful of me from his first response and did not offer any rebuttals. Calling someone a name does not negate their argument. I am fully prepared and willing to debate those who take the time to read the post and educate themselves on the material. I will not sit back and allow personal attacks against me. I found Neil’s rebuttals to be quite easily parried, but playing rhetorical gotcha games is only fun for a bit. Then it becomes tiresome.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
So leave anyway; you've become tiresome. nt
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 2:38AM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
So if I follow you around, will you leave? (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 2:39AM EST (link)RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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No
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:22PM EST (link)If I believe in something, I would like to see a intelligent debate such as the one between the American Thinker and the TAC rebuttal. Now that’s real debate of a serious nature (see below).
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Very interesting points GJ
jimwzdp (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 9:14AM EST (link)You do present a compelling argument for a lack of imagination forcing an extremist position.
Nice job of knocking down your opponents with facts, when all they could do was respond with straw men, and irrelevent comments about “leaving.” Very nice job of owning them.
Thanks for the compliment
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 7:09PM EST (link)It’s fun but a little boring. I was hoping to get some really good comments going and a good debate. That has happened to a degree, but I am disappointed in the response given that I thought this site was for liberty loving Americans. I still think it is and over time the argument will win out – it already is outside of this site. It’s just a matter of time.
Sometimes though, I feel like I am playing chess with a monkey.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Leave tweaking the nose of the government
hickorystick (Diary) Saturday, March 6th at 4:35PM EST (link)to the Scots-Irish. They know how to do it best. re-read your Whiskey Rebellion history and ****** Resolves. Using Leftist techniques to defy the government always leaves a Leftist in charge of the aftermath.
Belief in that once gain
GJ Merits (Diary) Saturday, March 6th at 11:43PM EST (link)Shows a lack of imagination. Our contemporary world is far, far different than anything in the past. The times you talk about are nothing – nothing – like the times we live in today, especially with reference to our technology.
60% don’t want healthcare. If it is shoved down our throats, don’t amuse yourself with dreams it will repealed. Is your plan to sit back and take it? I left out a very important part in this post that I put on my site. Here it is:
Those of you who follow this blog recall that a group of organizations successfully changed Senate GOP healthcare policy. The history of those efforts are here (http://socialsecurityinstitute.com/blog_post/show/408) and cross-posted at Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30869.html). Be forewarned, you will not like the narrative. If you find yourself surprised you are out of touch with the political reality we find ourselves in today:
“After weeks of refusing to embrace the “obstructionist” label as a virtue, Senate Republicans finally saw the light and late last week began to use the parliamentary tools at their disposal to delay a final vote on health care.
Until then, with the exception of South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, Republican lawmakers had refused to use Senate rules and procedures to obstruct the passage of the health care bill being pushed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and run out the clock on Obamacare. Some prominent Republican senators and members of their staffs had even let it be known they actually believed passage of the Reid health care bill and enactment of Obamacare would benefit GOP candidates in the November midterm elections.
This GOP strategy of expedient complicity enraged the conservative base, roused talk radio show hosts and bloggers and even provoked a backlash from the chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Social Security Institute and the National Tax Limitation Committee joined with Tea Party Support and Gun Owners of America to convey this outrage to the Senate Republican leadership through letters, e-mails and telephone calls from the grass roots to GOP senators’ offices.
It took a figurative gun to the collective head of the GOP to add a little starch to collapsing spines. Had the switch occurred just a smidgen later, Scott Brown’s win in Massachusetts may well have occurred after the passage of ObamaCare.
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This is your federal government at work. Look at the Bush years. Fiscal responsibility? Please. Obama is worse. If you want to trust either party to truly represent you, be my guest. It won’t be long before you wake up to the fact you have been duped, your future destroyed by out of control spending, and then maybe you will realize that a tool existed that would have allowed you to take back control of your own life.
Like I say in the post. Sheep or wolf? This country’s future depends on your answer and the answer of millions of others.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Careful. Your mask is slipping.
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 2:40AM EST (link)Booooosh!
Haaaaaliburton!
RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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In a year and four months one would have thought
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:20AM EST (link)that you’d have figured out how to use REPLY TO THIS.
You welcome debate...
Christine (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 7:00AM EST (link)but only if the commenter has read the post to your satisfaction and asks questions that are A) acceptable to you and B) easily answered by your talking points.
If they don’t follow the playbook, the only retort you have is that they lack imagination. You’ve said it three times as of my comment posting. Ironic, if you think about it.
Actually, it sounds like a liberal talking….perhaps the mask is slipping more than you realize?
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
Oh yes,
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:26PM EST (link)My blog, www.thesubstratum.com is a liberal blog. Wow, caught me there Sherlock!
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Interesting that
Christine (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 5:36AM EST (link)the tag of “liberal” is the only part of my comment that you countered.
Whether you are a liberal or not was not my particular point. My point is that you SOUND like one and you ARGUE like one. That doesn’t lend itself to a whole lot of respect around here.
Perhaps you ought to rethink your debate strategy. You are not the high and mighty who knows all to our lowly stupidity. We are a large group of intelligent people, some of whom have incredible amounts of knowledge regarding federal & state governments, the Constitution, etc.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
The other one answers itself
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 10:32AM EST (link)If the same mistake is made over and over again, it is called out over and over again. I don’t see any rebuttals to the TAC material, my material, or the material from the Social Security Institute. I only see reasons why it can’t be done or should not be done that are generic in nature (no specifics that counter any salient points), or obviously are just off-the-cuff critiques. Therefore, imagination is lacking. Repeat the same mistake, get the same rebuttal. I thought that was obvious so it did not warrant addressing. Perhaps I assumed too much in this case.
So I have addressed your observation.
And I am here at Redstate. I don’t think for a second that it is filled with readers of “lowly stupidity”. That is why I am here. However, I must say I have been disappointed in some of the retorts directed towards me during the debate. Liberals do not debate and your statement above is could not be characterized as a debate at all but rather a personal attack.
I post a link in one of the other diaries and immediately I was attacked like I was a birther or a truther and in such a way that it was obvious that attacker did not read the post. I admit that I reacted in a way not typical for me and attacked back in a way that was off subject and personal as well. That has stopped.
I am looking for a debate of substance targeted at the topic. Look below at the links provided to the debate between American Thinker and the TAC and you will find an excellent example.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Link to an article at "American Thinker" that rubuts the entire premise of this diary
IronDioPriest (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:03AM EST (link)http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/a_curious_dalliance_with_nulli_1.html
“If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way.”
-John Adams, 1776
Join in the conservative forum discussion at “It’s About Liberty”: http://www.itsaboutliberty.com
And here is the rebuttal from the TAC
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:19PM EST (link)American Thinker’s Curious Coverage of Nullification:
http://pennsylvania.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/03/american-thinkers-curious-coverage-of-nullification/
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Nullification is our next birth certificate. Another exercise
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:44AM EST (link)in mental masturbation, pointlessness and utter stupidity.
In the real world – where you visit only via broadband – there is only way that Federalism will happen. We get a very conservative SCOTUS super majority and they start over turning laws. I’ve not bothered with electing a Conservative Majority to both houses ’cause that won’t happen in your lifetime – even with the extended life expectancy on the dark side of Ronulan.
The first state to attempt this silliness will learn quickly about the Federal purse. The Congress will shut off all funding. The battle won’t see a shot fired because the state won’t have money for ammo.
Personally I don’t think you’ve got a “Constitutional Leg” to stand on either, but I’m no legal scholar. The practical side of the argument is such that the legal argument is a waste of time.
use of 'mental masturbation' is so manipulative. why not discuss issues...
notonmywatch (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:55AM EST (link)These “caesarian” anti-birthers are so short sighted. They watched Big Media elect Obama by the use of BDS, and yet they cannot see the point of questioning Obama’s eligibility to the American people.
You don’t need to impeach to have reach.
Get some vision, caesarians.
It’s still morning in America.
Neil, Moe, another idiot birther here. nt
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 12:10PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
G'bye (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 12:21PM EST (link)RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Read the TAC
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:25PM EST (link)rebuttal above. I do have a leg to stand on. Two in fact.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
If you think we have that long
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:38PM EST (link)Then let’s go ahead and wait. I don’t think we have that long. Did you see our projected debt by 2020? Do you see the Supreme Court turning over laws? Do you want that? How does the SCOTUS force fiscal responsibility on the legislative branch? By willy nilly legislating from the bench? The same court that over the years used the Commerce Clause to increase federal power?
We don’t have the time. The clock is ticking. Something will happen when we experience hyperinflation or realize in 2012 that, assuming the Republicans win, ObamaCare will not be repealed and the spending will continue. No party is going to make the hard choices.
It is almost as if the naysayers are pulling for the GOP without admiting the faults of both parties. The GOP was horrible at spending under GWB and the Democrats under Obama are a nightmare.
You solution will never come to pass. I wish I could believe it would, but I just don’t see it. If you can game it out for me, maybe I would see the light, but as I, the TAC, many of our founding fathers, as well as modern thinkers have argued, your cannot rely on the federal government to police itself. Over time it will just gather more power unto itself. It is the nature of the beast.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Please read the post
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:42PM EST (link)Federal escrow accounts for taxes. It’s there.
And this is an issue. If the federal government cannot be brought under control – and it will not bootstrap itself into fiscal restraint – then there is an issue that transcends or, more accurately, is the foundation, for every other issue we have. It needs to be addressed.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
With 48 states in debt
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 12:09PM EST (link)and the federal government holding the purse-strings, how likely do you you think it is that nullification would work? At best, state legislatures will do some posturing on the issue to make themselves look good, the government will withhold funding, and they’ll be back to begging the government for a handout. This is a non-starter, and we should concentrate on the here and now, where we have the chance of killing a number of hazardous bills that are currently coming down the pike.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Read the post and think of two things:
GJ Merits (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:30PM EST (link)1. Tax escrow accounts and
2. A large enough number of states join the effort
Scope is key. Without scope this won’t work. If one state tries is alone they are toast.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
You know, jackass, we've read your stupid post
Achance (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 12:08AM EST (link)and we think you’re a jackass. Now leave like you promised; we’re not worthy of you.
In Vino Veritas
Re-read the above comment and think of two things...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 12:45AM EST (link)Purse-strings and constitutionally mandated balanced budgets.
Twenty-six states have Democratic Governors whose state legislatures rely heavily on federal hand-outs and bail-outs to keep them afloat. Most Republican Governors find themselves in the very same boat.
The States can’t withhold enough money to meet their own debt obligations.
The federal government can simply print, at taxpayer’s expense, what it needs.
In order for nullification to be anything more than a mental exercise in futility, the States must first get their fiscal houses in order.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
rbdwiggins
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 10:37AM EST (link)I agree and you have no argument for me. Nullification is a process and not an event. HC is VERY unpopular and people are fed up with Washington. Look at Massachusetts and what happened.
You can’t recall a U.S. Senator or Representative, you can only vote them out. However, with governors and state legislators the story is different. They can be recalled. Always remember Massachusetts and that momentum is on our side. The only real challenge is to educate others about nullification so that is quits being this scary, spooky process that looks like some radical solution to an intractable problem. The problem is neither intractable, and the solution, if done correctly, is neither radical or violent.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
GJ Merits = Glenn Beck?
conservos (Diary) Sunday, March 7th at 11:49PM EST (link)Has he picked a side, btw?
No 3rd parties.
One party, one vote.
Work from within.
I'd like his money
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 10:47AM EST (link)But no, I am not Glenn Beck for reasons I won’t go into here – that would take another post. Read www.tenthamendmentcenter.com. It is quite obvious the authors at that site are not “shock jocks” and are a very grounded and educated bunch. I really wish people would take the time to read their material and then make up their mind.
My personal experience and the experience of many others I know have been largely knee-jerk when first introduced to this concept. The first instinct is to think this is secession, or that it is radical. It is neither of these. Rather, it is a process that must be thought out well in advance and played like a game of chess. It takes thought, planning, gaming, decision trees, and all the other tools in the political strategist bag of tricks. And it does take spine.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
I'm Surprised
C.S. McCoy (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 1:08AM EST (link)I’m surprised that this hasn’t received a more welcoming response here. Any idea that shifts power from the federal government to the states is fine with me. I’m not particularly knowledgeable of constitutional law, so I’m not going to debate whether this idea is plausible or not, although I do find the idea Tax Escrow Accounts intriguing.
Regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised if ideas like this continue to crop up during this election cycle and 2012, as well, especially if Obamacare passes. A discussion of state sovereignty has the potential to further bring the Obamacare debate to the state level, which will be a winner for conservative candidates everywhere considering the bill’s unpopularity in all states.
Consider Texas. Rick Perry made the primary about national issues and has already signaled that he’ll do the same in the general. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t come up with a plan similar to this if Obamacare passes. His message will be “If you re-elect me I’m going to stop Obamacare and here’s how.” He will force Bill White to defend Obamacare, which is obviously a losing proposition.
Look how unpopular Obamacare is. That message will work well everywhere.
C.S.
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 11:15AM EST (link)Well, a bit of a breath of fresh air. I don’t feel so put upon now. What amazes me is the push-back on this from liberty loving American. It is just amazing. One way of the other we are heading for a crisis. Whether it is one we control or we allow events to control us is, well…up to us.
The one part of the post above to keep in mind, and I bring this up because I made the same mistake, is the following:
“Foundationally, states don’t have rights as a government, states have power. Power at the federal and state level is derived from the consent of the governed, the people, who do have rights our governing agreements were designed to protect. Inspired by careful historical study, years of debate, considerations, and the declarations of colonies, towns, and associations (prior to July of 1776) the fundamental rights of the people were articulated in the preamble of our Declaration of Independence…”
I a not saying you are guilty of the same error in thinking, I am rather writing this for the benefit of others who may be. Not articulating and understanding the above is what often causes people to make the error in judgment and immediately draw a connection between modern passive-aggressive nullification strategies and secession.
A reading of our rights as people in the Declaration of Independence, it is clear those rights are being violated by our federal government. The Commerce Clause (an enumerated power to the federal government) has been abused by the federal powers to the point that anything seems to fall under the its auspices. When that happens and the court (SCOTUS included) uses that clause to centralize power in the hands of a few to lord over the rest of us, what recourse do we have?
Voting in another federal politician does not seem to change anything. SCOTUS judges are for life and some quote international law as a guiding principle in their decision making, a fact which still leaves me slack-jawed. Waiting for a magical moment when fiscal conservatives rule the day and the SCOTUS can be filled with liberty loving judges is a dream and, if I am wrong, a reality that is so far away and so contingent on a multitude of factors that it may not even work as planned.
Who thinks Reagan dreamed for a moment that Justice Kennedy would turn out the way he did? Kennedy is famous for being a leading proponent of the use of foreign and international law as an aid to interpreting the United States Constitution!
Deficits are soaring, politicians are not listening, the SCOTUS is in the business of siding with the federal government in all but a few cases. Either we admit we are heading for a cliff and do something about it that is constitutional, or we get the government we deserve. Which is more radical? Sitting back until your country’s future is forfeit and bankrupt and your rights are gifted to you by European style socialism, or doing something constitutional about it? What would our descendants, if they could speak to us, want us to do?
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Dr. Woods and the Policially Incorrect Guide To The Constitution
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 11:47AM EST (link)Reading these words below in a post over the TAC by Dr. Woods, author of the Politically Incorrect Guide To The Constitution concerning the use of the Kentucky and Virginia Resolution of 1798 during other points in our history, I see I am not alone in feeling the blowback from daring to bring up such a constitutional act as nullification:
“Thus when I resurrected these long-neglected ideas in chapter four of The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, did this inclusion merit the praise of your average scholar? To the contrary, the general complaint was that I hadn’t spent more time on subjects people already know inside and out. As for the Principles of ’98 themselves, discussing them with left- or right-wing nationalists is like waving garlic before Dracula.”
From the above, it is clear that last part certainly is true. Dr. Woods continues:
“Not that raising the issue makes them clam up entirely. To the contrary, they’ll find some silly photos of you (which, I confess, exist in embarrassing abundance), or dredge up something you did or said a dozen years ago, or generally suggest you’re a bad person. (Everyone who’s ever met me knows I’m just a great big meanie.)
They may behave this way because they think doing so will make me shut up (no such luck there), but it’s also a lot easier than cracking a book on a subject they don’t seem to know the first thing about.”
Ladies and gentlemen, this may be our last chance. How about giving the idea of nullification a fair shake? Study the subject, because if it is deemed a necessary tactic it would be imperative the readers of not only Redstate – whom I consider to be quite capable and intelligent – but other people in this country, understand the process. Such an undertaking would only be to our benefit. So please, just take a few days of your time. If you still think its a bunch of baloney, well at least you can say you gave it a fair shake and looked into it. It is the intellectually honest thing to do.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
The Error Of My Ways
GJ Merits (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 11:59AM EST (link)Having been somewhat successful at Pay Per Click advertising due to my ability to write better than average ad copy (everyone has some sort of talent), I made an error which only now is becoming clear to me. The title of this post should have been Nullification – Our Constitutional Option. I am not trying to sell a new vitamin or a yearly supply of Resveratrol here, so leading with an attention grabbing headline preconditioned the reader. Nuclear Option!? Must be radical – I should read this.
Therefore, I can see why so many jumped so quickly on the “pile on this crazy guy” bandwagon. It is my hope that, in the interest of looking at all options to ensure we don’t miss an opportunity to improve a quickly deteriorating condition in this country, that we all take a fair look at this process.
My apologies to anybody I have offended in the back-and-forth exchanges. This comment was not solicited by anyone and the decision to post it is mine.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Thanks for the info
jiminga Wednesday, March 10th at 7:44AM EST (link)Until this post I was unaware of nullification and thank you for continuing the spirited discussion. I will only add the reminder to all that the US has passed the tipping point of those receiving government aid. For the first time there are more than 50% receiving it. So those who stick to the mantra of “vote them all out” should consider that most voters, like congresscritters, will not vote for a decrease in income or status.
From my ID you can assume I live in GA and will look forward to Georgia’s progress on nullification after our RINO governor is replaced by a real Republican in November.