TCU, Boise got Fiesta shaft but it’s no business of Congress


NCAA, BCS politics, are protection rackets for major conferences

Whatever powers that be decided that the Cotton Bowl needed to be replaced as one of the top four bowl games must be scratching their heads and I hope they scratch all their hair out anyway. The Fiesta Bowl never has had the gravitas to join the mighty Rose, Sugar and Orange anyway, but I digress.

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The issue at hand today is not the shaft given the Cotton Bowl many years ago, but rather the shaft given Horned Frogs and the Mountain West Conference; and Broncos and the Western Athletic Conference, respectively.

The looks on the faces of the respective players and students told the story, when the announcement was given on the Bowl Championship Series Show excuse for teasing commercials for thirty minutes to name ten teams playing in five games, which were:

  • Rose Bowl: (B10) Ohio State Buckeyes 10-2 vs. (P10) Oregon Ducks 10-2
  • Sugar Bowl: (SEC) Florida Gators 12-1 vs. (BE) Cincinnati Bearcats 12-0
  • Orange Bowl: (ACC) Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 11-2 vs. (B10) Iowa Hawkeyes 10-2
  • BCS Championship Game: (SEC) Alabama Crimson Tide 13-0 vs. (B12) Texas Longhorns 13-0
  • Fiesta Bowl: (MW) TCU Horned Frogs 12-0 vs. (WAC) Boise State Broncos 13-0

The NCAA is a racket for the protection of the “major” conferences.” The media is a shill for the ACC in basketball and the SEC in football, and for the record, Braves-Gamecock loves ACC basketball and SEC football, but we have to speak da truf in our Law and Politics examinations. Yes, this is politics, not law, and not even sports.

In March Madness, where they have to admit the so-called “mid-majors” into a basketball tournament, they stack the deck against them by taking great pains to keep teams from the same major conferences from playing each other as far into the brackets as possible.

Now we come to what replaced the old grand, yet imperfect, bowl system that at least gave more than two teams a shot at finishing ranked number one after New Years Day. Braves-Gamecock loves a good argument over who’s #1 (We don’t mind several teams claiming same and for the AP to vote for a team not playing in the BCS game. Absent a tournament of at least 16 teams, we think it will always be a mythical championship.), but we will admit that we have usually been satisfied with the BCS championship game match-up, as we are this year.

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The injustice of the above bowl lineup is that no matter who wins the Fiesta Bowl, neither the Mountain West nor the WAC can advance the argument of entitlement to an automatic BCS bowl game slot in the future, and it is hard not to think this move by the NCAA wasn’t intentional.

Remember when BYU won the mythical national championship? So do the powers that be, and they didn’t like it.

Now, some interesting info and comment from the Persistent former Hoosier Cuss of a Pilgrim to the Permian Basin, bolsters our case:

The current rules for the BCS bowl games

Unless their champion is involved in the BCS National Championship game, the conference tie-ins are as follows:
• Rose Bowl – Big Ten champ vs. Pac-10 champ
• Fiesta Bowl – Big 12 champ
• Orange Bowl – ACC champ
• Sugar Bowl – SEC champ
• No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year.
• A special case is made for independent Notre Dame, which receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight.
The Big East champion takes one of the remaining spots.

Now bear in mind that the Big 12 champ and SEC champ can’t play in the Fiesta and Sugar because they are in the championship game. The sugar did the right thing by putting the SEC runner-up Gators in their bowl. The fiesta should have done the right thing by putting the runner-up ‘huskers in their bowl. I would have made the bowls this way:

Rose Bowl – Ohio St v Oregon
Orange Bowl – Georgia Tech v Cincinnati
Sugar Bowl – Florida v TCU
Fiesta Bowl – Nebraska v Boise St.

My condolences to Oregon St and Iowa. You did not win your conference, and the winner in your conference was not good enough to go on to the BCS championship and leave you with a spot in the Rose Bowl.

Braves-Gamecock is satisfied with the Beavers and Cornhuskers exclusion from the BCS lineup but we would have preferred that our Ramblin’ Wreck play an undefeated team.

Heisman is for offense

We think the persistent cuss agrees that Peyton Manning got the shaft when Heisman voters, for the first time ever, awarded the most famous trophy in sports to a defensive player. But we think the Permian basin denizen disagrees with us that no defensive player should receive the award, absent extraordinary domination on the defensive side, the likes of which Braves-Gamecock has never seen.

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We think that if the defensive player from Nebraska, who will be occupying the NY Downtown Athletic Club seat that C.J. Spiller of the Clemson Tigers should have been sitting in when Alabama’s RB Mark Ingram wins, that we would have been hearing about him on front pages all year. We didn’t. He had a good game last week and so he will be made a token. I guess its ok for him to get a trip to the Big Apple, so long as he doesn’t win.

Spiller will have a better meal in Dixie anyway.

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It's worse in basketball, but the Notre Dame exception is ridiculous

bk (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:03AM EST (link)

It’s been pretty much a given for at least a month that the championship game was going to come down to this matchup.

I suspect a LOT of people will be watching the Fiesta Bowl – it could be the most entertaining one of the lot. The Orange Bowl might be the most boring game out of all the bowls – BCS or not. I’d just as soon see someone like BYU get the Orange Bowl over an Iowa team that made it because mediocre Big Ten teams blew huge leads late.

What the NCAA needs to fix is that a team like Texas (I’ll pick on them since I’m in Austin area) can play four absolute patsies in their non-conference games. C’mon – schedule at least one decent team. Raise your hand if you can tell me the last time any of these teams were considered powerhouses:
- Louisiana-Monroe (4-8)
- Wyoming (6-6)
- UTEP (6-6)
- UCF (8-4)
Central Florida has been decent, but come on. UT won each of these four games by over 30 points. Alabama had three absolutely terrible teams, but at least they played Va Tech to open the season. Florida had FSU and Troy, both of whom are decent.

good points, but we do think the Iowa matchup gives the ACC a chance to recoup some cred' - nt

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I really wished that UT wouldn't play so many powder-puff teams early in the season

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 11:18AM EST (link)

It really makes them look weak although it doesn’t seem to matter BCS voters. I’d like UT to start the season with a game against UH, that way it’s not so powder-puff.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

GC doesn't begrudge Longhorns the powderpuffs given how tough is the B12 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:01PM EST (link)

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But Louisiana-Monroe and few others powder-puff teams make a bad name for UT

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:14PM EST (link)

I really think a season opener against maybe UH or Texas Tech would help UT get ranked #1 if they won. I think strong games make the difference in how your perceived.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

That also helps explain

ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)

The year BYU won the national championship. They were the only undefeated team, but playing in the WAC at that time didn’t help them get the respect they earned by wiining everygame that year.

 
 
 
 
 

pilgrim agrees that it's no business of Congress

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:14AM EST (link)

The rest of the diary about Suh and Nebraska Cornhuskers …not so much. Here is a link to somebody who voted Suh for Heisman.
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_13949163?source=most_emailed

Kyle Ringo wrote the following…

How often do defensive tackles lead their teams in tackles or register 10 passes defended or block three kicks in a season as Suh has done this fall? Just as Suh was a force in the win over the Longhorns, he was also a very disruptive presence in key wins earlier in the season over Missouri and Kansas State that led the Cornhuskers to the conference championship game.

Suh sacked McCoy 4½ times in the game and finished with seven tackles for loss and two other tackles for no gain. He led the Cornhuskers with 12 total tackles.

I also think that Suh being included actually increases the chances for McCoy to receive the Heisman. Texas did win that game against Nebraska, and in spite of all the armchair quarterback talk about McCoy lollygagging. There was only one touchdown that was scored, and do you know what player scored that TD? That’s right, it was Colt McCoy.

I also think that Nebraska deserved the Big 12 spot in the Fiesta Bowl based on their beating ranked opponents Oklahoma and Missouri. They only lost by 1 point to the other ranked opponents they played Va. Tech and Texas.


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If McCoy doesn't win...

bk (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:23AM EST (link)

It’s probably because of the dropped pass that would have gone for a 75-yard TD and put Texas ahead 17-6. Colt laid the bomb right in the guy’s hands. Instead Texas punts and Nebraska runs it back to the 10 and the score is 10-9. Game over if Texas took an 11-pt lead.

If the UT guy doesn’t drop that pass, we might have heard “McCoy found a way to come through in the clutch despite continuous harassment from the best defensive player in the country” instead of “Texas lucked out and McCoy cost himself the Heisman”.

That guy Suh is a complete freaking animal. He’s the best defensive player I can recall seeing in ages. Texas’s offensive line had dominated most games, but he made them look average.

If McCoy doesn't win, its because of his incredible lapse with 8 seconds to go. He lollygagged around and lofted a high arching

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:03PM EST (link)

pass out of bounds, when the desperate situation rewquired that he zip a pass out of bounds or down the ball at the line of scrimmage to stop the clock.

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Oh, I forgot gamecocks know all about lollygagging QBs nt

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:16PM EST (link)

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agreed - I am an expert on that - lol - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:21PM EST (link)

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pilgrim, but that means they can avoid the issues and

Xasteius (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 11:17AM EST (link)

keep getting re-elected! /snark

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 

Pilgrim, I don't think it will increase McCoy's chances.

Husker (Diary) Wednesday, December 9th at 8:14AM EST (link)

First, I am not going to pretend not to have a dog in the fight as you can tell by my screen name, but some voters have had one complaint about McCoy’s season that might make them vote for Ingram or Suh rather than McCoy.

In his three games against top 40 pass defenses this season (Colorado, Oklahoma and Nebraska), McCoy has thrown for an average of 192 yards, with two touchdowns and five interceptions. Three of those five interceptions were in the Big 12 Conference Championship.

Truthfully, I don’t think McCoy was lollygagging at all. I think he may have been slightly concussed after being sacked 9 times and getting knocked down another 7 times. Those numbers don’t count getting banged around after running the ball upfield on keepers. He’s a tough guy, but those hits had to have taken its toll on him.

Thanks for thinking Nebraska deserved to have the Big 12 spot in the Fiesta, but I don’t think they are up to playing that caliber of football yet. They’ll settle for the Holiday Bowl for now. Can’t complain though, going from cellar dweller under Callafraud to Division champs in two years under Pelini has the fans feeling pretty good.

Pelini has the defense fixed, now they need to find an identity for the offense. I don’t know if there will be changes to the offensive coordinators staff in the offseason, or if they need to make some personnel changes to go in a different direction, but something needs to be done to get over that hump.

I will be looking forward to the rematch October 16, 2010 in Lincoln.

 
 

Why screw up all the bowls with minor league teams?

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:34AM EST (link)

Really, what kind of records would Cin, BS and TCU have if they actually had to play a major conference schedule? Probably 9-3 at best.

BS & TCU ought to be playing in the Holiday Bowl and Cin in the Aloha.

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well Tbone...

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 10:42AM EST (link)

You need to educate yourself on who is considered by BCS to be a major conference. BCS says that the Big East is a major conference, and the Big East conference champion takes one of the remaining spots in the BCS Bowls. Cincinnati is the Big East conference champion.


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I am sure that the BCS and several other people

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 11:18AM EST (link)

consider the “Big East” to be a major conference. I and most people don’t.

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U C though Tbone, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks if they actually play and prove it on the field - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:06PM EST (link)

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On the Field

dwander Tuesday, December 8th at 2:48PM EST (link)

But there appears to be many who don’t want teams like TCU and Boise State stomping on the poor AQ’s

55555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:21PM EST (link)

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55555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 3:21PM EST (link)

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We don't know who is minor league unless they play each other: witness Utah over 'Bama last year when TCU was

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:05PM EST (link)

a superior team to Utah!

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It was obviously a real coaching challenge to get Alabama

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)

excited about playing minor league Utah.

Unless the stakes are equal, as in a playoff system, bowl results are meaningless.

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Excuses are like...

dwander Tuesday, December 8th at 2:50PM EST (link)

That is a remarkably convenient excuse when one loses the game.

It's not an excuse, it's a reality.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 5:28PM EST (link)

It is the same thing that allows inferior teams to upset superior teams during the season. It is the way the game works.

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The score decides reality and superiority - The word upset is coping device for losers and poor prognosticators - talking heads and writers yakyak but reality

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, December 9th at 11:36PM EST (link)

is defined on the field period, and not in relation to whoever ESPN happened to hire to fill up air time.

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I still think they should have a playoff system

ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:04PM EST (link)

They can do it after the bowl games so they can rake in the big dollars off of that. Then take the top 4 teams from the bowls and let them settle it on the field. Utah got screwed last year and this year, some of the other leagues are getting the shaft.

I will be the lawyer for the #5 team - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:07PM EST (link)

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the problem is there is no continuity

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:13PM EST (link)

The five to six week layoff between the last game of the season and the bowl game is a problem for seeing teams playing at their best. The bowls games are actually like the first and last game of a new season for teams. Any playoff would have to occur immediately at the end of the regular season to see the teams play at their best.


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I agree,

ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:18PM EST (link)

I’d rather see them play on the field instead of the menatal masturbation that come with the programming for the BCS rankings. On the other hand, we would not have as much to talk about after all the bowl games. The woulda coulda shoulda.

 
 
 

TCU and Boise will see their problems go away quickly...

MacAoidh (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:20PM EST (link)

…when the Mountain West picks up Boise, Fresno and Nevada. That will be a 12-team league that without a doubt will get into the BCS.



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interesting idea - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)

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3 more minor league teams?

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:23PM EST (link)

That should do it.

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BCS plus 1

mschmitt (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:54PM EST (link)

Rose: Oregon vs. Ohio State
Orange: GaTech vs. Cincy
Fiesta: Texas vs. TCU
Sugar: Bama vs. Boise

Sugar winner vs. Fiesta winner for National Championship, Rose and Orange winners square off on Versus channel at 6:00AM on a Tuesday. BCS = fixed.

usque ad finem

BCS=fixed not so much

pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 1:59PM EST (link)

The only true fix is have a single elimination tournament. Have the games played in September and October establish the 16 teams that will play in this tournament that starts in November. Let some pro football stadiums be used to play these Saturday games. Eight stadiums for week one, four stadiums for week two, two stadiums for week 3, and one stadium for the championship game. Then the traditional bowl folks can do their thing quite separately of the championship. Now that would be a FIX!


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If Congress Would Agree to Drop Health Care

Joe Cor (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 12:56PM EST (link)

and give it’s undivided attention to fixing the BCS, I’m all in favor of it. I long for the days when Orin Hatch held hearings on the BCS, and John McCain held hearings on drugs in Major League Baseball. If these people could only be made to focus all their meddlesome impulses on such trivial minutia, we’d all be a lot safer.

 

I came up with a solution to all of this in 2002

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 2:10PM EST (link)

Alas, no one has seen the wisdom in implementing my solution (-: The teams in my mythical bracket are all from 2002 but you can figure out for yourself what such a bracket would look like this year.

In summary: take the 10 conference champions (I excluded the lowly Sun Belt), add 6 at-large teams, have a 16-game seeded tournament where the higher-seeded teams play at home, play the first three weeks of this tournament in the first three weekends of December (that’s when Div II and III play their tournaments after all), play the championship game after the bowls, pay off the bowls that had tournament teams in them by giving them a slice of the gate from the tourney games. It’s a weird system in that the two teams in the championship game would have to take a break from that to play in their respective bowl games, but those bowl games would be getting a slice of multiple tournament game gates, and it would be a damn sight better than the cluster**** we have now.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Heh, this guy is proposing a system very similar to mine

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, December 8th at 9:54PM EST (link)

Here’s his proposal. He included the Sun Belt as well, which I didn’t. Here’s his playoff bracket:

16 Troy at 1 Alabama
9 Georgia Tech at 8 Ohio State

12 Penn State at 5 Florida
13 LSU at 4 TCU

15 East Carolina at 2 Texas
10 Iowa at 7 Oregon

11 Virginia Tech at 6 Boise State
14 Central Michigan at 3 Cincinnati

Now those would be some mighty fine matchups to watch.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?