Strict Constructionism is civilization’s friend when applied to the U.S. Constitution and the Bible. Not so when applied to the Koran and other authoritative writings of Islam.
The latter fact is a major factor in the rise of Islamist terror, as the plain and obvious meaning of the actual words of Allah in the Koran lend credibility to those the extremists in the Muslim and Arab worlds and at the same time put peace-loving Muslims on the defensive. It appears that the only thing that reverses their respective roles in their homeland is when a liberty loving Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States is provoked to defend America, and post-regime change, empowers those that have “re-interpreted” Islam’s admonitions of “jihad”.
It appears that when American power kills enough of those that are actually faithful to the words of the book shared my all Muslims as Holy, the “reformationists” choose soccer and pizza over burka-garbed teen suicide pizza-parlor bombing as sport.
Three Blind Mice and/or See, Hear and Speak no Evil Monkeys?
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Since 911 concentrated this Baptist mind, I have long contended that one can’t be a good Muslim and a good American, that is, if the actual words of the Book matter to you. For instance, consider these passages from a column that suggests that those who deny the clear import of the words are “Still Willfully Blind”:
At his blog today, Andrew Bostom, a scholar of jihadism, cites the following passage from “Reliance of the Traveler,” a widely distributed manual of Islamic law produced by al-Azhar University in Egypt, the most authoritative interpreters of theology and sharia jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, the dominant tradition among the world’s Muslims:
Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and, is etymologically derived from the word, mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion [of Islam]…The scriptural basis for jihad is such Koranic verses as “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216); “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran 4:89); “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36); and such hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] as the one related by (Sahih) Bukhari and (Sahih) Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And the final reckoning is with Allah”; and the hadith by (Sahih) Muslim, “To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it.”
As Dr. Bostom points out, the first hadith referred to in the passage — the one in which Mohammed explains that Allah has commanded the Muslims to fight non-Muslims — was cited by Nidal Hasan in slide 43 of the June 7, 2007 presentation that Jonah discusses in his excellent column today.
How long will the Three Blind Mice of moderate Muslims, the political left (see liberals and Democrats) and our Commander in Chief keep their hands over their eyes and ears and refuse to speak of evil by its name? Must Hyde Park in Chicago of Honolulu be vaporized before the Apologizer-and-Inappropriate-Bower-before-Potentates-and-Emperors-in-Chief gets reality?
The ‘see no evil’ face of Barack and the left
It is these same leftist mice and monkeys that spew a political correctness (see cowardly liars) of violent tendency equivalence between the Koran and the Bible; Christianity and Islam; and Osama bin Laden and Timothy McVeigh. The blindness required for such dismissive scoffing would render Stevie Wonder 20/20, as once has to ignore the actual words of the respective holy books; travel back centuries to find Christian church leaders justifying anything approaching justification for murder; ignore the disconnect between what authorities within the respective churches say and don’t say about individuals’ self-justifications for murders vs the position of the respective churches (Christian church leaders and neatly ALL Christians denounce all murder and especially including forced conversion based murder or infidel extermination. Islams leaders are mostly mute); and the exponentially large disparity in the numbers of victims.
In fact, when the left cites those non-Muslim terrorists that they say prove equivalence with Islam, they really help prove my point as the exceptions prove the rule. All they have are the OKC bombing, a few (2-3 incidents since 1973) of abortion clinic bombings and 1-2 murders of abortionists, with victims numbering less than 200. All this despite the fact that a majority of Americans are pro-life. The non-violence of the pro-lifers is self defining.
What of the numbers of victims of Islam, in the name of Islam, with mostly cricket chirps in protests from Mosques? 3000 on 911. Thousands of others since since Sirhan Sirhan gunned down RFK in 1968. Billions spent by the peace-loving to defend against terror. Israel under constant siege and the threat of extermination by Iran’s Mullahs in search of the end of time.
The Books
But DeVine Law, why so much emphasis on the words of the Koran, and how about those village genocides in the Old Testament? After all, look at all those years before the latter half of the 20th century when the Arab and Muslim worlds were mostly benign?
I could mention that America was born partly due to the refusal of Americans to pay tribute to Barbary Pirates (see Islamist terrorists). I could mention that the oil to fuel terror was not discovered in the Muslim world until well into the 20th Century. I could bring up the Cold War between two superpowers that kept the Islamists at bay (but at too high a price given the exponential evils and slaughter of Communism).
I do thank God that most Muslims eschew the real Prophet Muhammad and the actual words of the Koran in favor of a “reformed” Islam that makes kill mean pray and holy war mean strive to do right. Thank God for blind mice, up to a point.
But words matter, both in Holy Books and Constitutions. Men are flawed. Men have, at times twisted the words of the Bible to justify heinous acts. Yes, the numbers of religiously justified heinous acts are dwarfed by the numbers killed by godless Kaiserism, Hitlerism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism, throughout history. But one murder is one too many, no matter the justification, and given the civilization-essentials provided by faith, and especially the Judeo-Christian version, it is quite dangerous for the truth to be transmogrified.
The fact is that the actual words of the Bible, Old and New Testaments, are not only the eternal, spiritual soul-saving truth for believers, they also form the basis for the principles that have made Western Civilization the tolerant and prosperous miracle of history that it is.
No admonitions to murder in the Bible
Nowhere in the Bible will you find admonitions from God or anyone else to prospectively kill. You will find some history of past admonitions at particular times and places in the OT. Moreover, nowhere in the Bible will you find any calls to convert or be killed.
The Koran can make no such claim. For this reason, Islam will always be a danger. Words matter.
So, we conservatives, who properly insist that contracts of all kinds, from home mortgages, up to including Constitutions, be interpreted by the plain meaning and intent of the actual words, must pray that Muslims choose the equivalent of “activist judges” to call black, white for us to have peace.
The better alternative, of course, would be for them to convert to a Book whose strict construction produces peace. Let us pray. But in the meantime, I would be willing that some of our liberal friends that have re-written the US Constitution to justify abortion and the Bible to justify Government loving my neighbor with my money, apply the same logic to the Koran and make jihad mean scoring Goal in the World Cup.
God bless.
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Amen GC-BC has long since agreed with you
BlackConservative (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 12:04PM EST (link)The “religion of peace” is a farce at best, undercutting the reason who so many of these so called moderate Muslims don’t speak up-this is taught and reinforced in the Koran. Our religious fundamentalists have marches and rallys, their religious fundamentalists push a baby with a bomb in its stroller into the nearest synagogue. Ft. Hood was not an isolated incident as much as it was a continuation of Islam, and why we should (despite the PC crowd’s objections) seriously consider religious affiliation when looking at our Armed Forces. Their loyalty is to Allah, not America, which as a Non Islamic nation is mutually exclusive.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.-Jesus Christ
I'm having a hard time with this one.
Steph C (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 12:29PM EST (link)It could be that what you’re saying is so troubling that my mind wants to reject it without due consideration.
I’m inclined to recommend for discussion purposes but…
I dunno. Something is not quite right. More later if I figure out what’s bugging me.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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I can tell you what's bothering me...
mschmitt (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 12:43PM EST (link)… and it can be neatly summarized by this passage:
Unacceptable, Mike; if only because you’ve been engaged by Martin Knight on this very point.
usque ad finem
you will have to be more specific for me to have something to respond to, but the bottom line is that every religion is stuck
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:16PM EST (link)with their own books.
I didn’t write Islam’s literature.
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Islam's literature
mschmitt (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 4:47PM EST (link)I am referring, specifically, to this thread, where your basic set of arguments, and the arguments of the scholars you quote, were already refuted by one of our very own (and very well thought of) “blind mice”.
Just so we’re clear, I respect the work you do here and don’t want come across as combative — I was just surprised to see you frame this diary such as you did after having that exchange within the last week. Being a Christian, I don’t have any dogs in the fight; except for my usual disclaimer about the urgency of killing the bad ones whenever and wherever they may appear.
usque ad finem
We disagree on the supposed refutations - I thank God for MAK and the likeminded, and
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 1:44AM EST (link)think that all I am doing in re-framing the issue and re-characterizing what MAK and otehr Muslims have done over the decades and centuries, and that is, fashion an essentially new religion by re-interpreting their Holy literature.
The words say what they say. I din’t write them, and as long as those books are given credibility, there will always be those that can point out the obvious and have credibility given that God wrote the words and they do admonsih people to kill the infidel if they don’t convert.
The books say what they say. The real battle is between civilized people and those that chose the barbarian words of the Koran and various Hadiths. The argument is not with me for pointing out what the books say. And as long as moderate Muslims keep their focus on people like me that can read, and not on the extremists in their midsts and the actual words of the books, the problem does not get solved.
God bless
And yes, Christians do have dog in the fight since the dogs want to exterminate us, and it makes it harder when moderate Muslims don;t deal with the fact of the book and thise that “interpret” for the plain meaning the words have.
It is a losing argument to deny what the words say. Gets us no where fast. The issue is not me.
Its the books they rely on.
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My post was poorly worded...
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 5:56AM EST (link)… as I was in a rush. What I meant by ‘no dog in the fight’ was, “I don’t really care whether moderate Muslims are dogmatically correct regarding Islam or the extremists are”/
Anyway, from my viewpoint, we’re all of the God of Abraham; and that God either condones violence in his name or he doesn’t — men can’t change that and Jesus doesn’t change that.
usque ad finem
"His", even! nt
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 5:57AM EST (link)usque ad finem
understood and thx for the discussion 'schmitt - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 9:26AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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This is probably what bugs me.
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 9:50AM EST (link)When they’re not fighting the western world, they’re fighting each other with the same ferocity as they exhibit towards us. As long as we stand as a target, a distraction to put off coming to grips with the schisms, it’s not going to happen.
Given a choice of fighting fellow Muslims who they believe are on a wrong path and killing us, it feels as if they always choose killing us. Because of this, I’m less inclined to give them leeway.
In the abstract, I don’t care if a person is Muslim, Hindi, Bhuddist, Christian, or any other religion. But when their religion allows what is allowed to radical Muslims, either by supporting it or the neutrality of doing nothing, I can’t abide it.
They’re fashioning “an essentially new religion” at our expense by keeping us as the targets of their discontent. And if they succeed in ridding the world of us, they will then turn to other religions and do the same until there will be no one left but two sides of a religious war over the same religion. At that point they will have succeeded in converting the entire world to Islam, whether actively or passively, because they will be the only ones left standing.
Even if it takes centuries into the future, that is the end goal, isn’t it?
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good points Steph - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 10:40AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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StephC, the "hate crimes" aspect bugs me
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:08PM EST (link)For me murder is a heinous crime no matter what is on the mind of the person who is committing this crime. I do not know that it is necessary or helpful to dig too deep into what someone is thinking when they call out for people to be murdered.
In 2007 a member of the US military gave a powerpoint presentation that included “Slay them wherever you find them” and that should have raised a concern for this person remaining in the military.
We do not need to dig so deep into what religion or thoughts are in somebody’s head that murders people. Being politically correct to the point of not wanting to offend is living dangerously.
I'm all for getting rid of P.C. for those very
Steph C (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:13PM EST (link)things you mentioned. It’s not that. Never that because political correctness is going to kill us all if we don’t start rejecting it.
That’s the problem. There was a gut reaction to something about the piece that I can’t shake but can’t really put my finger on what bugged me.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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When the cat's away, the mice will play,
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 12:43PM EST (link)and there’s no effective cat controlling America’s mice right now.
In Vino Veritas
Tomcats make the worst mousers. nt
Steph C (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:14PM EST (link)“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Yeah, my two toms mostly just sit and watch their sister do the mousing
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:59PM EST (link)and birding, and squirreling. ‘Course when she gets one, they’ll come up and try to muscle her away from the prize but that usually doesn’t turn out well for them.
In Vino Veritas
Gamecock, You tackled a tough subject well.
mailloux (Diary) Friday, November 20th at 1:54PM EST (link)Christianity has been attacked rather constantly for 2000 plus years. We shouldn’t expect anything less . . . Christ himself told us this would happen.
The attacks too have come in all forms from the more violent killing of Christians to simply attacking the legitimacy of Christianity by indicating all sorts of things from asserting that Jesus Christ is a mythological figure (i.e. He never really existed) to trying to prove that the resurrection never happened.
Ironically, the attacks on Christianity have often been to its benefit. For example, alternative theories on the resurrection usually lead to a stronger conclusion that Jesus did indeed rise from the dead. The same effect happens when you apply the C.S. Lewis character argument for the divinity of Christ (sometimes called, “Lord, Liar, or Lunatic”).
Islam is often spared the scrutiny that Christianity routinely (and successfully, might I add) deals with. Even if one rejects political correctness, one cannot hope to be completely unaffected by it in our era. It’s practically part of the atmosphere that we breathe. Hence, the discomfort in being too critical of any religion, but especially politically correct religions.
After 9-11, I bought several books on Islam. My favorite, which I unfortunately (and embarrassingly) cannot recall the title or author as I sit here at my desk (when I get home, I’ll get it and post it as a reply to this comment for anyone interested), was written by a Jesuit priest in the 1930′s. It is a history of the Prophet Mohammed and a history of Islam in general. It is written in that old style, brutally objective, pre-PC academic prose, and it’s well researched. That’s why I picked it.
After reading that book, I couldn’t help but apply the “Lord, Liar, or Lunatic” argument to Mohammed, which of course was very Un-PC of me, but I figured that if folks could apply it to Christ (the founder of Christianity), then why couldn’t I legitimately apply it to Mohammed (the founder of Islam)? At the end of the day, I did not conclude, “Messenger from God.”
It is my opinion that expansion by the sword and subjugation of infidels is clearly a part of Islam. It is my opinion that the radicals in Islam are the ones who are reading the plain meaning of the text in the Quran and the Hadiths. But then again, I’m no expert . . . my opinion and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee, but not much else. However, there are lots of other true experts who have come to that conclusion. There are plenty of books out there that do support the assertions in this diary.
Mike, you wrote about a tough subject that many would not tread upon. And, as usual you do it in a manner that holds one’s attention, entertains, and enlightens. Thanks for putting together what couldn’t have been an easy diary to write for us at RedState. I recommend this diary without reservation.
Take Care, mailloux
thx 'oux. The real beef civilized people should have is with the actual words of the Koran and Hadiths, and not people like me
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, November 21st at 1:47AM EST (link)that simply read them. I have found that people that have to use three sentences to explain away the obvious meaning of one sentence, are losers of arguments.
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