Neo-cons from Kristol to Reagan to Bush 43


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The conservative movement lost two of their greatest leaders last week with the passing of Irving Kristol (pictured) and William Safire.

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Forty years ago, before he went on to become one of the great journalists at The New York Times, Safire, while a speechwriter for Vice-President Spiro Agnew, famously characterized critics of President Richard Nixon’s war strategy as “nattering nabobs of negativism.” Also, in the late 1960′s, Kristol launched The Public Interest, a political journal which came to define a large number of former liberal Democrats that defected to the GOP in large part due to their rejection of the anti-anti-communist left that seized control of the Democratic Party.

These former Democrats came to be dubbed “neo-conservatives” by socialist writer Michael Harrington in 1973 due to their continuing sympathies for big government on domestic policy, despite their more conservative social values and advocacy of an aggressive foreign policy to promote Liberty abroad.

Safire’s speech writing partner for Agnew, Pat Buchanan contemporaneously characterized weak on defense liberals at the time as “pusillanimous pussyfooters” and with the election of his future boss president Ronald Reagan and later Bush 43, America embraced a neoconservatism for three decades that won the Cold War and so aggressively responded to 911 that America’s homeland has enjoyed eight years of peace.

In so doing, the conservative movement embraced an optimistic vision of America as the Shining City on a Hill. I find it quite telling, with respect to foreign policy, just how much more divided the country is today on war and peace, even as compared to the 1960s. Reagan chose Nixon over John F. Kennedy in 1960 partly due to his perception that the Republican Party was stringer on defense than the democrats. Yet, could that “bear any burden in the cause of liberty” Democrat possibly remain in the party of ObamaDems today? I think not.

But Reagan’s conversion from an FDR-New Dealer to the GOP was also driven by more traditional conservative principles of smaller government which conflicted with the more liberal views of the neo-cons. Reagan seemed to have united the two factions of the party and dispelled the liberal myth of a heartless conservatism that would starve the old and weak, with his declaration as President that he favored a federal “safety net for the truly needy.”

Reagan was unable to reduce the size of the federal government in domestic affairs with Democratic congresses, nor was Newt Gingrich with a Democratic president. But, the growth was greatly slowed for two decades with President Bill Clinton famously declaring in 1995 that the “era of big government was over.”

It wasn’t, and even more significantly, neither of the two the leading candidates for the GOP nomination in 2000 could be characterized as movement conservatives, with the eventual winner even calling himself a “compassionate conservative”, seemingly accepting the false liberal media slander that conservatism is inherently indifferent to the poor.

I don’t know if the neo-cons that I embraced in 2001 due to their advocacy of an aggressive arsenal of democracy largely due to the persuasive rhetoric of Kristol’s son Bill of The Weekly Standard, were partially to blame for Bush 43′s surrender to Senator Kennedy on the Education bill and Medicare Rx Drug legislation that greatly increased the size of domestic government.

I suspect that what we have witnessed in the GOP’s dismal performance on this score in the 2000s is, as George Will asserts rather a manifestation of We the People’s predilection for philosophical conservatism but operational liberalism. We want our cake and we want to eat it too. Robert Bork sees as as slouching towards Gomorrah.

I thank God that Irving Kristol and those that followed left the Democratic Party to form a majority that lifted the darkness of tyranny from millions that has also made this sweet land of liberty safer.

But I also hope that the exponentially worse example of the humongous government growthulus policies of the ObamaDems for the past nine months births a domestic policy neo-conservative movement for the 21st Century that looks more like the conservatism of, Grover Cleveland, the last Democratic Party President of the 19th Century. Or has it already begun in the name of Sarah Palin?

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excellent column, gamecock

pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 12:07PM EST (link)

I especially like your historical reference back to President Grover Cleveland. There appears to be a growing number of folks who are coming out against the lefty meme that America is evil and bad. They are are saying we now and always have loved this sweet land of liberty. We want to restore the the ideals for a POTUS and US Congress that Hamilton and Madison outlined instead of the ideals on the left to remake this nation.


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thx pil' - more later - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 12:15PM EST (link)

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Reco'ed. Solidly done, GC, nt

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 12:37PM EST (link)

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thx hipster - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 3:13PM EST (link)

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Recd GC, my oldest blogging friend, but with some disagreements

BlackConservative (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 5:49PM EST (link)

We as conservatives, need to stop with hyphenated conservatism in general. We are conservatives through and through, and any attempts to neo, social, cultural us, is nothing more than an attempt on the Left (and on the Right) to divide us as a movement. Our values are a committment to family values and a smaller government. A former big government conservative myself, I see the error of my ways in Ronald Reagan’s famous quote that the 9 most dangerous words are that I’m from the government and I’m here to help. Government growth, whether it be from the Left or Right, is always wrong. Bush’s astronomical growth of government from increasing foreign aid, increasing the size of education, and creating entirely new branches of bureaucracy (DHS) has emboldened our enemies on the Left that Bush’s failure was not going further enough, and has quickened our road towards Gomorrah, going from the liberalism of W to the socialism of Obama. The vision of the conservatism must go back to standing athwart progress yelling Stop. We must not give in the the moral relativists in the business of the growth of government and the attacks on the family. Nation building is liberalism gone global GC, turn the place into a crater and get the !@#$ out of there. When our enemies rise again, turn them back into a crater. The idea that nation building will help our standing worldwide is as equally laughable as the multilaterlism the Left wants to use. American exceptionalism is not neo, but a true recognition of why we are the only remaining superpower-giving into the liberalism of the neo-con foreign policy is as dangerous as giving into the liberalism of the socialists at home.

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agreed on hyphens and the only reason I used them was because of Kristol's death

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 6:23PM EST (link)

I agree on most all you say except feel the need to discuss “nation building.”

I would never, and no of no neo-cons who would either and know of no particular action by the US,

initiate military action solely for the purpose of nation building.

I do favor an aggressive use of our military to advance our interests, esp including punishing those that attack us as in Afghanistan and in Iraq where Saddam violated the ceasefire and esp after 911 when our deterrence would not have been credible had we left him in power.

However, once we remove enemy regimes, are we simply to pack up and leave a nation devastated and merely install a friendly dictator?

Of course not. It is only right that we offer defeated nations the opportunity to choose freedom. In Iraq, as in Germany and Japan, it has worked.

In Afghanistan, it has not worked in much of the nation and I do not favor a large occupying force to make the mistakes the Brits and Russians made there.

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I have to disagree again GC

BlackConservative (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 7:56PM EST (link)

You ask me, once we remove enemy regimes, are we simply to pack up and leave? My answer is unequivocally absolutely yes. It is not the responsibility of the United States and the American taxpayer to rebuild nations across the world and attempt to install democracy in places that do not want it. American exceptionalism, GC, is in fact the making of an exceptional nation, in which the freedom and principles of democracy and liberty (but not license) exist solely because of we the people. So what to do with those nations? Bomb them out of existence. What happens when they come back? We’ll turn them into a crater again. Arab democracy got us Mymood Iminajihad (ht Rush) Shall we waste the resources of our troops and our tax dollars to build more Irans?

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I understand your point Blackconservative, but how...

penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 8:16PM EST (link)

does post WWII Japan fit in with this perspective? We bombed them and then helped them rebuild. It is my understanding that the Germany of WWII was borne out the dire straits they found themselves in after WWi, when they were not helped. I’m open to understanding either argument, because I don’t know. Do you think the “era” has come and gone when we do rebuilding for nations?

Believe me, I would be glad if we could end our presence in other nations, and certainly stop spending money we don’t have, but I don’t know how to do it.

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aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:46AM EST (link)

We had legitimate interests in both regions, as the two countries gave us logistical support, and as free market countries, were also good for us from the PR side of things. That they turned out so well was a bonus. To address the issue of post-WWI Germany, I highly doubt that Germany, with its strong nationalistic streak, would have been ripe for nation-building, esp. considering that any such nation building would have realistically involved all of the Allied powers who would balk at putting more troops into a war that had cost so much.

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yes, we disagree - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 11:46PM EST (link)

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BC fca BR, you can't reconcile your newfound understanding of Judeo-Christian principles with leaving the victims of brutal dictators whose regimes we remove, in chaos

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:47AM EST (link)

That would be beneath the character of the American people. So the choice becomes, after we defeat our enemies, exactly what kind of order we wish to leave and obviously we would offer Germans, Japanese and Iraqis the opportunity to choose freedom. It is best for our security and it is what sets us apart in world history. What we did after WWII that worked and what is working in Iraq so far should not be denegrated by some vague term called “nation building” with reference to Bosnia or other small missions.

Neo-cons don’t look around the world looking for an excuse to invade and nation build. The issue is what are we to do AFTER we remove regimes, and in many cases if is necessary to re-establish order and a new government and it is obvious that we would try to some extent to lead them to freedom.

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I meant "fka", formerly known as BR - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:47AM EST (link)

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No I don't think Neo-Cons look for an excuse to nation build, but their ideology is a more aggressive liberalism

BlackConservative (Diary) Wednesday, October 7th at 12:22AM EST (link)

And one that seeks to spread democracy and make friends rather than defend the national interest. As a conservative, I believe that when we engage in war, we are doing so in the interests of defending our nation. Thusly, while I favor the use of force in protecting America, I do not and can not support using America’s tax dollars to rebuild a country. The Germans and Japanese did not view all things American as the Great Satan the way the Muslim world does in the Middle East. Shall we stay to rebuild and watch them vote sharia law into the constitution? They can get a Mahmoud in without Americans funding it…then I won’t feel so bad when we have to bomb them again.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.-Jesus Christ

 
 

BR and Kyle8, I think GC's current position on Afghanistan shows fallacy of false characterization of neo-cons

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 10:57AM EST (link)

We gave it a shot under Bush to let the Afghans choose freedom, but only in a small portion of the country has that been possible and while I would trya dn aid them to hold some portion of the nation, I do not favor the mistakes of the Brits and Russians. I was for the Rumsfeld small footprint strategy. Afghanistan is not Iraq.

Even now, while I am torn by the argument to send in 40,000 more troops to defeat the Taliban, I still lean toward a strategy that bombs them periodically to make sure that they don’t become a safe haven for terrorists like al qaida from where they could launch attacks on the US.

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We imposed our values in the constitutions of Japan and Germany in a way that we didn't with Iraq or Afghanistan

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 8:16PM EST (link)

The constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan not only fail to provide any protection for religious minorities, but both expressly state that no law can be contrary to Islamic (i.e. Sharia) law.

The negative implications of this on what we are otherwise trying to do are significant.

If we are going to nation build, than by all means nation build like we did after WWII.

Otherwise, building nations that sentence Christian converts to death, blasphemers to prison, and provide neglible punishments for honor killings is no way for a country to better its interests.

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Republican democracy and Islam are fundamentally incompatible.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 8:28PM EST (link)

There was little that was “theocratic” about the Shinto and Buddism, etc. in Japan, so there was little conflict on religious grounds between our systems and theirs. Before they fell into nihilism and State-worship, the Germans were a Christian nation not that different from us. Islam leaves out over a thousand years of Western social thought and development. More than that if you consider them, as I do, far less developed than the Romans or Greeks. Islam is pretty much a stone age cult. Kinda hard to make it work with a republican democracy that requires a free and educated populace.

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Pre-1945 Japan reminds me of today's terrorists

David123 (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 9:05PM EST (link)

They had this idea “The whole world must bow down before our divine emporer.”

Women were inferior – had to walk 5 paces behind their husbands.

They were suicidally fanatic and they crashed airplanes into things on purpose.

Overall the pre-1945 Japanese seem awfully similar to terrorists, although at least they had the decency to crash their own planes instead of stealing ours.

A Curtis LeMay-type disproportionate response to terrorism would probably pretty much end terrorism.

David123

These less than desirable aspects of Japanese society were not written down in immutable theological texts

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 5:55AM EST (link)

and as such, were transcended in a generation.

Look to Turkey and see if the same is truly possible in an Islamic society. Turkey is the absolute best case scenario, with a homegrown secular leader.

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Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

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In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

good points 'ski and Achance - that does temper my enthusiasm in Iraq, but

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 11:27AM EST (link)

I still think what we have done is much better than leaving them in chaos; committing genocide; or leaving a strongman like Saddam. After all leaving a Saddam eventually led to this after the Cold War. I have no problem with what we did in the Cold War.

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That was exactly my point

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, October 5th at 5:53AM EST (link)

Which is while I always want the US to succeed, I do not have much hope for a sustained success in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

Are we conservatives guilty of ignoring the fundamental incompatibility?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Great comments 'ski, and esp given Obama in charge, I have less hopes in Iraq

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, October 8th at 12:20PM EST (link)

which I always had greater goals for and really saw complete victory with a democratic state of an acceptable sort as Bush left, but seems Obama is fully capable of blowing it. The most important thing is that neither Iraq or Afghanistan or any state for that matter be a terror state/safe haven. But given Iraq’s history and strategic location and the oil, think its most important and doable for it to be democratic.

Always thought Afghanistan was altogether different and favored the Rumsfeld light footprint. Dis want to offer freedom to the nation and still think we should preserve Kabul and don’t want to be seen as losing, but main thing is that we not let it be a safe haven.

And need a strong presence there due to nukes in Pakistan.

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would love your comments on this, as well as BC’s

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recco'd and I am with Blackconservative

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 6:10PM EST (link)

The day of the neocons is truly over, they did their job. Now what we face is the imminent implosion of our nation under the shattering debt run up by both Bush and especially Obama.

Let there be no mistake about this, the near future will be far more different than Reagan’s era was from FDR. The landscape of the future will feature crushing debt, crushing taxes, and hyper inflation.

There will be an opportunity in all of that. An opportunity to reshape things back to a conservative, small government way. BUT it is not an opportunity for the faint hearted, the half hearted, or the go alongs.

There will be no room for them and they will be steam rolled.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

I think you and BC are shooting a strawman version of neo-cons that the left and the isolationist right has fostered

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 6:24PM EST (link)

see my short reply to BC and then

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Agreed as to the characterization of neo-con

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 8:18PM EST (link)

but I think the US needs to look at Iraq and Afghanistan and learn some lessons for the future.

I do not think that Iraq will be a long term success, and Afghanistan may not even last that long.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

no, I understood what they were all about

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 11:31PM EST (link)

and even agreed with them most of the time.

But that was then, and this is now. We will be unable to continue to bear every burden of the free world when our economy is wrecked.

Nor should we. In a strange way, Obama might make such a transition possible. When the rest of the free world learns that they can no longer count on Uncle Sam to ride to the rescue, because of his lack of leadership. They may decide to look to each other for help instead.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

understood - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 11:48PM EST (link)

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Or......

doubleace Monday, October 5th at 7:59AM EST (link)

Maybe they won’t and the bad guys will take overmuch as they did in the 1930″s?

 
 
 

My disagreement is only on foreign policy. I certainly do favor a return to small government domestic policies - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 4th at 6:25PM EST (link)

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Don't worry GC. The two were replaced by ...one person named David Brooks.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, October 7th at 4:43AM EST (link)

WOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!