Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) publicly called President Barack Obama a liar during his health care address to a joint session of Congress. He unequivocally apologized at his first opportunity. What has most surprised me about the aftermath is how muted is the criticism of Wilson, and I think this fact is quite instructiive, and will address why this is so after a review of the recent history of “liar” labeling.
Within about 72 hours of the Fall of Saddam, the leadership of the Democratic Party broke the post-911 unity and turned on President George W. Bush when stockpiles of WMD were not discovered. They variously accused him of lying about Saddam’s possession of WMD in order to trick us into war or stated that he ”misled” us into war. The latter is polite beltway speak for lie. Using the “misled” term allowed you to drink cocktails with McCain and Graham in Georgetown.
No matter that one who actually did mislead a nation into war would be guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors deserving of Impeachment or worse. No matter that there was no evidence of same. Thus was launched the “Bushlied Era” of American history when the Democratic Party made arguments for free that Saddam’s lawyer, OBL and Iran would have paid them to make. Thus did the Democrats embolden our foreign enemies to fight on until their pansie asses gained power so that they could ultimately prevail in the War on Terror.
I have never forgiven the Democrats that lied about President Bush. None admitted their lies and asked for forgiveness.
I have never forgiven the Democrats that acquiesced in the lies by their silence.
And finally, I have never forgiven the Republicans that remained polite in the face of the lies, so much greater is their love of themselves and the Senate than of their Country.
I am left with a very low opinion of the elected politicians in Washington and have very low expectations of them.
Decorum rules that forbid calling liars what they are what Edmund Burke and Martin King referred to as how the doing of nothing by good people allows evil to triumph.
Hence, my joy that a man in Washington finally called out the 20-year pew-parked butt in Jeremiah Wright’s Hate America Church for what he is.
And, btw, if anyone is offended, I apologize.
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I agree 100% GC! nt
nessa (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:13AM EST (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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thx nessa - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 11:39AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Nice Parthian shot there, gamecock
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:38AM EST (link)Only Republicans are liars. Democrats aren’t liars; they just haven’t finished rewriting the truth yet.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
55555 nt
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 8:55AM EST (link)“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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555555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 8:59AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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What about when....
jltnol Saturday, September 12th at 12:05PM EST (link)… a President of the United States in a speech given in the same room as Obama’s speech this week said that “Saddam Hussein… … has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums taking great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction”?
Was that a lie? Even if GW believed it to be so, it obviously wan’t so even at the very moment he was saying it….so would it still be considered a lie?
If I say the world will end next Wednesday, you can’t really call me a liar until Thursday morning, right? Because, it’s possible that by Wednesday, we’d all be toast. But on Thursday morning, when the alarm goes off to get you to work on time, then you could consider me a liar.
As a Republican, it’s easy to see that our party is headed in the wrong direction… we seem all ready to throw mud but act aghast when it is thrown in our direction.
And as a party of Christians, I wonder what Jesus would do if an illegal alien showed up on his doorstep hungry and in need of a band-aid. We can’t have it both ways. I’m not in favor of opening the door wide and letting everyone in, but it seems very un-Christian to deny help to those who need it.
All of this past weeks fireworks, and the loud approval from the right is not winning us any friends and new voters.
And when you post stupidity like this, we're supposed
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:41PM EST (link)to remain silent?
1. Iraq had a long history of using WMDs. They also had months to relocate them.
2. As to “our party is headed in the wrong direction”, I agree. We – at least some in the leadership like McCain and his ilk – are willing to “work with” and compromise with the evil that IS the Democratic Party. We are in a war on the home front and Obama is the face of the enemy.
3. “It seems very un-Christian to deny help to those who need it.” You are absolutely right. And if really feel called to help, drag yourself off your couch and go to Mexico – or wherever – and help feed some poor folk. Now then, if you think it’s the job of the federal government to do that I have a challenge for you. Please tell me: 1) Where in the Constitution does the federal government have the authority to do that? 2) Where in the Bible does Jesus EVER instruct a government to anything. He spoke to individual believers and to The Church. Not to secular governments. 3) Where in the Old Testament did God ever tell the Israelites to open THEIR borders? 4) Since you are “not in favor of opening the door wide…”, just EXACTLY where do you draw your line?
I can’t wait.
Hey jltnol... we're waiting. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:07PM EST (link)It won't be back
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:38PM EST (link)it just wanted to stir the pot so it could scurry back to its basement room and giggle.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Oh I know. But I was bored. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:42PM EST (link)As a Republican...
Steph C (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 2:36PM EST (link)How come they all always claim they are when they’re not? I mean, if he/she really were, it would go without saying, wouldn’t it?
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In the Torah, we are told to 'love the stranger', actually.
Alberta (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 3:57PM EST (link)Stranger being a the equivilent of a non citizen in our land. We are told to do so because of what we went through when we ‘went down to Mitzrayeem (Egypt)’.
Anyways…Good post GC. How decayed is this place when we are letting rules of decorum come before one of the Great Rules; Tell the Truth.
Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln
"our," "we," you got a mouse in your pocket, moby? nt
Achance (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:47PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
There's a difference between the Christians and the government
Xasteius (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:57PM EST (link)When the Greek widows in Acts were not getting the help they needed, the Romans didn’t step in to help them.
If George Soros wants to personally subsidize illegal immigrants’ health care bills out of his own pocket, I have no problem with that. I object to my tax dollars being used for that purpose.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
A lie is a lie when you know its false when you utter it. Obama essentially admitted the lie last night when
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:22PM EST (link)he agreed to amend the House bill to force verification of citizenship in the health care bill.
Bush and the whole world thought Saddam had wmd.
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And, with respect to "the 16 words"...
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:25PM EST (link)without regard that Bush crawled under his desk about them, the British government NEVER modified their opinion.
amen - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 9:46AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Easiest thing in the world for him to do, GC
UpLateAgain (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 2:21PM EST (link)They could write it in the bill fifty different times and fifty different ways. It won’t make a bit of difference. A Federal Judge has already found CA Prop 187 (which among other things specifically prohibited illegals access to non-emergency health care at taxpayer expense) unconstitutional. Essentially, the courts said that the equal protection clause means that if one group gets it, everybody does, legal immigration status notwithstanding. The law was therefore overturned
Actually, I’m surprised more Dems don’t agree to a prohibition clause. SCOTUS will take it away in the fact of it in any event.
You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.
Bush Never Lied
nevadaGOP (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 11:51AM EST (link)The media just conveniently forgot to cover the story. It was buried on the back page of most newspapers. I don’t consider 550 metric tons of uranium yellowcake something to burn candles on:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
Don't blame the Democrats . . . they are
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 7:00AM EST (link)factually challenged. In order to lie, a person must know what is true. To be a life-long Democratic politician and have some knowledge of the real is impossible.
That is why Barney Frank is upset when Republicans blame him for the mortgage crisis. after all, his motives were pure and helping the poor and minorities realize the American dream was a noble experiment.
So what if a basic knowledge of Economics and/or finance would have shown poor Barney tht his idea was unworkable. He is a legislator and has spent at least one night at Motel Six – so don’t blame him – it is the Republicans fault.
What I worry about is the arrogant ignorance of President Obama and his associates. It is not that they, in their own minds, are out to destroy the country but that, in their arrogant ignorance, they will strike a figurative match to check on how much gasoline is in a car’s tank.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.
love the analogy at the end longwalker - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 11:40AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Recc'd although I have to say I don't care
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 9:01AM EST (link)whether they call it misled, lying, or any other name they choose to give it. In the end, they will destroy themselves upon the rock of conservatism.
A rose by any other name still smells as sweet. A lie by any other name is still not true.
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555555 and thanks gal - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 9:07AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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It's worth talking about,
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 9:22AM EST (link)logic seems to have been conditioned out of too many people.
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Right on, brother, right on.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 9:38AM EST (link)I was nothing less than astonished when I heard Joe Wilson’s shout heard round the world. Even though I had been sort of wondering how those in attendace in the serial theatre of the lied-to, could possibly restrain themselves. I mean really. We all know there have been millions upon millions of us out here thinking and/or saying the same thing multiple times..
What did sort of surprise me is that my conservative congressman went on record in an interview with a statement that he was abashed at being in the same picture with Joe Wilson because he happened to be sitting next to Wilson at the speech. Too bad he couldn’t find his pair for just long enough to say something like, you know, “I was thinking the exact same thing.” My congressman has done a good job representing my viewpoint on so many issues. Why the elitist in him had to come out in this instance is rather disappointing. Because of his reaction, I have a sneaking suspicioun he wants to run for Senate someday.
Jow Wilson's fundraising after the shout out will be instructive to many of his seatmates I suppose - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 11:41AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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but..
jltnol Saturday, September 12th at 12:07PM EST (link)according to most counts, Miller raised MORE money.
What instructive was learned here?
Can't speak for GC, but I learned
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 12:27PM EST (link)the lefties were motivated when a congressman in opposition to The One called him what he is. More to the point, Joe Wilson became a conservative icon overnight and the lefties can’t tolerate that. We shall see when the election is over what the takeaway is.
So?
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 12:32PM EST (link)Obama’s campaign had donations from people who should not have been donating… legal restrictions and all that.
When the American people are riled… and they are now… no amount of money is going to save the socialist wannabes unless they’re willing to hire a mercenary army to do it for them and even with that I wouldn’t count on them winning.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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That liberals like you are idiots!
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 2:59PM EST (link)That regardless of a Democrats accomplishments, or lack there of, you fools will give them your money as a form of protest. That’s what’s instructive.
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
last numbers I heard were Joe $750K and opponent $200K - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:13PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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I have not heard this
Cheryl (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 4:10PM EST (link)and I would question the source. To my knowledge, Wilson has not announced or leaked what he brought in but I suspect its higher.
The other guy had over $444,000 in debt I assume left over from his run in 08. Last number I saw that he brought in wasn’t enough to get him out of the hole.
The other side likes to leave things out. For instance, we hear about all this union money, but not that they are up to their rear ends in serious outstanding debt.
“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America, than the whole force of the common enemy.” –Samuel Adams
“The administrative state has inserted its big paws into our houses, from the toilet bowl to the light socket. Now if it would just stretch those paws from the one to the other at the same time, we might begin to recapture the spirit of ’76.” –Scott Johnson, Powerlineblog.com
I heard this am that both had raised approx $1M since the speech - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 9:47AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Oh jltnol...
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 4:38PM EST (link)From Politico…
McCain and his "honorable friends" are to blame for the pickle we are in
Scope (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 10:29AM EST (link)Everyone knows that the only reason he got as many votes as he did was because of Palin. Without her, Obama would have lied his way into the presidency by a landslide. He took every good issue we had against Obama off the table including Wright, Ayres, his past affiliations with organizations like ACORN and in fact said that “there as nothing to fear with Obama as the President”, during the campaign. I am still totally convinced that he wanted Obama to win, and, Palin almost ruined his plans. During Obama’s “Happy Hour” wednesday night, I all but puked when they showed him smilling like an idiot, and giving Obama a thumbs up. If he wasn’t running for reelection in 2010, there is no doubt in my mind that he would vote for whatever Healthcare plan Obama/Pelosi/Reid come up with. Of every Republican in Washington, I consider him the most dangerous.
McCain loves to play the martyr losing because he was above the fray - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 11:41AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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Great diary (55555) Mike
Cheryl (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 4:11PM EST (link)you speak for me, thanks.
“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America, than the whole force of the common enemy.” –Samuel Adams
“The administrative state has inserted its big paws into our houses, from the toilet bowl to the light socket. Now if it would just stretch those paws from the one to the other at the same time, we might begin to recapture the spirit of ’76.” –Scott Johnson, Powerlineblog.com
thx Cheryl - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 9:48AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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pResident Costanza
FireFireFire (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 3:09AM EST (link)“It’s not a lie,if You believe it.”
“You never need a firearm,until you need it BADLY!”
GC, "decorum rules that forbid" seems to only be...
penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 8:38PM EST (link)applied to our side. The leftist Dems don’t follow any rules, really, about anything. Class and manners seem to have escaped them. It is all a sham and they are hypocrites. They use our own standards of conduct against us.
Actually, it is about time we “offended” them and did not apologize.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
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ditto pen' - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 8:00PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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