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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>streetwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(which I would definitely read!)</description>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day not long ago, I was half listening to Fox, as is usual for me... it&#039;s a noise in the background most of the time... They were having one of their infinite discussions on one of Obama&#039;s interminable speeches. One of the guests pointed out that it was so refreshing to have a president who can pronounce words correctly and I thought to myself: yeah, but does he know what they mean?

I much prefer Bush, who may have mangled the pronunciation of words from time to time but he at least knew the meanings of them.

Reading is more than word recognition and pronunciation. It&#039;s actually understanding what the words are saying. Being a southerner I can mangle  words with the best of them but I, too, know what they mean.

Such is the way of the education system these days. For my own college days, the most important lesson I learned didn&#039;t come from any one class, textbook, or professor. It was that though I had learned a lot, I also learned how much I didn&#039;t know and what I didn&#039;t know made what I knew resemble the smallest of raindrops.

Eventually, everybody learns that lesson or dies dumb. If he&#039;s your son, he&#039;ll probably learn that lesson as soon as the real world intrudes since he now has a diploma to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day not long ago, I was half listening to Fox, as is usual for me&#8230; it&#8217;s a noise in the background most of the time&#8230; They were having one of their infinite discussions on one of Obama&#8217;s interminable speeches. One of the guests pointed out that it was so refreshing to have a president who can pronounce words correctly and I thought to myself: yeah, but does he know what they mean?</p>
<p>I much prefer Bush, who may have mangled the pronunciation of words from time to time but he at least knew the meanings of them.</p>
<p>Reading is more than word recognition and pronunciation. It&#8217;s actually understanding what the words are saying. Being a southerner I can mangle  words with the best of them but I, too, know what they mean.</p>
<p>Such is the way of the education system these days. For my own college days, the most important lesson I learned didn&#8217;t come from any one class, textbook, or professor. It was that though I had learned a lot, I also learned how much I didn&#8217;t know and what I didn&#8217;t know made what I knew resemble the smallest of raindrops.</p>
<p>Eventually, everybody learns that lesson or dies dumb. If he&#8217;s your son, he&#8217;ll probably learn that lesson as soon as the real world intrudes since he now has a diploma to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>without ever reading a whole book, and I have one college &quot;educated&quot; kid to prove it.  They don&#039;t really assign books except in some AP programs, they use anthologies and excerpts.  You scan it and write a paragraph or two as a &quot;reaction&quot; to it, nothing substantive, just what you &quot;feel&quot; about it.  All you gotta do is do the silly work and you get your A, do anything and you get a B, show up and you get a C.

My oldest had one online class between him and that diploma that has cost so damned much money.  Well, they&#039;d let him march and hear Pomp and Circumstance already, and he wasn&#039;t much interested in interrupting his life of liesure - so worn out from the rough life of a college student - to finish the class.  Out of self-defense because I WAS going to see that diploma, I went online, found his class, got the text, and did it for him.  It was the kind of crappy siminar on &quot;Leadership&quot;  that government employees get sent to for a couple of days, kinda show up if it doesn&#039;t interfere with your golf game, and get a certificate for your wall and P-file.  Took me a weekend and I got his A for him.  I wouldn&#039;t have wasted the two or three hundred bucks that classes like that cost for government employees and this was a Senior level college class!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>without ever reading a whole book, and I have one college &#8220;educated&#8221; kid to prove it.  They don&#8217;t really assign books except in some AP programs, they use anthologies and excerpts.  You scan it and write a paragraph or two as a &#8220;reaction&#8221; to it, nothing substantive, just what you &#8220;feel&#8221; about it.  All you gotta do is do the silly work and you get your A, do anything and you get a B, show up and you get a C.</p>
<p>My oldest had one online class between him and that diploma that has cost so damned much money.  Well, they&#8217;d let him march and hear Pomp and Circumstance already, and he wasn&#8217;t much interested in interrupting his life of liesure &#8211; so worn out from the rough life of a college student &#8211; to finish the class.  Out of self-defense because I WAS going to see that diploma, I went online, found his class, got the text, and did it for him.  It was the kind of crappy siminar on &#8220;Leadership&#8221;  that government employees get sent to for a couple of days, kinda show up if it doesn&#8217;t interfere with your golf game, and get a certificate for your wall and P-file.  Took me a weekend and I got his A for him.  I wouldn&#8217;t have wasted the two or three hundred bucks that classes like that cost for government employees and this was a Senior level college class!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/02/24/the-foreclosing-of-the-american-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-3699</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>esp this:

Investment ensues from saving, which is the driver of the capital formation that generates employment, income, and wealth. Therefore any economy which exhibits sustainable growth will be the beneficiary of policies conducive to saving. Foremost among these are low tax rates on profits, capital gains, and marginal income; when combined with a disciplined restraint in government spending, these serve to promote the accumulation of capital and low real interest rates, in a &quot;virtuous circle&quot; of ever rising productivity and income growth. It should also be pointed out that while increased saving necessarily entails a reduction in the rate of growth of consumption in the current period, it need not necessitate a decline in consumer spending.

This spending-leads-to-growth concept is a perennial failure that can actually harm an economy. Its advocates suffer from a crucial error in their understanding of economics: for in fact, consumption is an effect, and not a cause, of economic growth. Stated simply, more spending without the greater output of goods and services that results from increased saving and investment -- and concomitant higher real incomes -- can only lead to higher prices and inflation.


http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022509A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>esp this:</p>
<p>Investment ensues from saving, which is the driver of the capital formation that generates employment, income, and wealth. Therefore any economy which exhibits sustainable growth will be the beneficiary of policies conducive to saving. Foremost among these are low tax rates on profits, capital gains, and marginal income; when combined with a disciplined restraint in government spending, these serve to promote the accumulation of capital and low real interest rates, in a &#8220;virtuous circle&#8221; of ever rising productivity and income growth. It should also be pointed out that while increased saving necessarily entails a reduction in the rate of growth of consumption in the current period, it need not necessitate a decline in consumer spending.</p>
<p>This spending-leads-to-growth concept is a perennial failure that can actually harm an economy. Its advocates suffer from a crucial error in their understanding of economics: for in fact, consumption is an effect, and not a cause, of economic growth. Stated simply, more spending without the greater output of goods and services that results from increased saving and investment &#8212; and concomitant higher real incomes &#8212; can only lead to higher prices and inflation.</p>
<p>http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022509A</p>
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		<title>By: pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Smith wrote about capital and made a point that as years have gone by has been completely ignored.

&quot;As the house itself can produce nothing, the tenant must always pay the rent out of some other revenue which he derives either from labor, stock, or land. Although residences may last for centuries - they are ultimately consumed - just like food and clothing and furniture.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Smith wrote about capital and made a point that as years have gone by has been completely ignored.</p>
<p>&#8220;As the house itself can produce nothing, the tenant must always pay the rent out of some other revenue which he derives either from labor, stock, or land. Although residences may last for centuries &#8211; they are ultimately consumed &#8211; just like food and clothing and furniture.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/02/24/the-foreclosing-of-the-american-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-3697</link>
		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess there&#039;s a fine line between recognizing the sentiment and playing into it, much less endorsing it.  I do not endorse it, but I can see how a lot of people are going to think that way:

When they can&#039;t get a loan, and their property is being foreclosed on, and they&#039;ve lost their job, and their taxes are going up (as gas taxes are about to in Massachusetts) and they&#039;re being pushed to the edge of the abyss, it&#039;s going to be very hard to swallow that a banker or people at the bank with access to the loan data (and a bailout from the Federal Government to keep them solvent) are going to be first in line to snap up their properties.

I&#039;m just sayin&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess there&#8217;s a fine line between recognizing the sentiment and playing into it, much less endorsing it.  I do not endorse it, but I can see how a lot of people are going to think that way:</p>
<p>When they can&#8217;t get a loan, and their property is being foreclosed on, and they&#8217;ve lost their job, and their taxes are going up (as gas taxes are about to in Massachusetts) and they&#8217;re being pushed to the edge of the abyss, it&#8217;s going to be very hard to swallow that a banker or people at the bank with access to the loan data (and a bailout from the Federal Government to keep them solvent) are going to be first in line to snap up their properties.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the public (government) schools still have kids read classic novels like this with good, conservative values.  Obviously SOMETHING is missing from their education! The other book that was eye opening to me as an adult was The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Lots of lessons about unions and socialism there, too.  I bet most public schools don&#039;t assign that one anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the public (government) schools still have kids read classic novels like this with good, conservative values.  Obviously SOMETHING is missing from their education! The other book that was eye opening to me as an adult was The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Lots of lessons about unions and socialism there, too.  I bet most public schools don&#8217;t assign that one anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best educations I ever got. And then at age 40 I started watching TCM classic movies and discovered a treasure of conservative values there.

Yes, it wasquite an acheivement for Americans to survive the mistakes of Hoover and FDR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best educations I ever got. And then at age 40 I started watching TCM classic movies and discovered a treasure of conservative values there.</p>
<p>Yes, it wasquite an acheivement for Americans to survive the mistakes of Hoover and FDR!</p>
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		<title>By: Praying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have made a habit of re-reading the books my kids are assigned for &quot;summer reading&quot; while in high school.  One of these was the Grapes of Wrath.  Funny, but I don&#039;t remember the government bailing these people out - farms destroyed by drought and over-use, people forces off their farms and out of their homes, taking off across the country to the promise of riches in California.  Not knowing where they would sleep, or what they would eat.  Battling illnesses and injury.  Was there universal health care? NO! Was there &quot;affordable housing&quot; (= rent subsidized)? NO! Did many of these people lose their life savings? Family members? Their own life? YES! But they were seeking the American dream.  Many survived, and some thrived.  That has always been the nature of American people - tough, independent, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps kind of people.  Where have all those people gone today? Fat and obese, they sit around in homes they can&#039;t afford, channel surfing on their 50-inch flat screen TVs, talking on their unlimited minutes cell phones, waiting for the government to bail them out! What is wrong with this picture?  Pumping money into the system is not the answer.  People in this country need to learn once again that decisions have consequences.  Today there is very little personal responsibility, and relying on daddy government to get us out of this mess will only exacerbate the problem.  My husband&#039;s and my parents did not raise us like this, and we are not raising our children like that. But if the irresponsible masses out there welcome in a socialistic nanny state, my kids will never be able to live out their family values.  We cannot sit idly by and let America shoot herself in the foot like this!! We CAN NOT give up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have made a habit of re-reading the books my kids are assigned for &#8220;summer reading&#8221; while in high school.  One of these was the Grapes of Wrath.  Funny, but I don&#8217;t remember the government bailing these people out &#8211; farms destroyed by drought and over-use, people forces off their farms and out of their homes, taking off across the country to the promise of riches in California.  Not knowing where they would sleep, or what they would eat.  Battling illnesses and injury.  Was there universal health care? NO! Was there &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; (= rent subsidized)? NO! Did many of these people lose their life savings? Family members? Their own life? YES! But they were seeking the American dream.  Many survived, and some thrived.  That has always been the nature of American people &#8211; tough, independent, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps kind of people.  Where have all those people gone today? Fat and obese, they sit around in homes they can&#8217;t afford, channel surfing on their 50-inch flat screen TVs, talking on their unlimited minutes cell phones, waiting for the government to bail them out! What is wrong with this picture?  Pumping money into the system is not the answer.  People in this country need to learn once again that decisions have consequences.  Today there is very little personal responsibility, and relying on daddy government to get us out of this mess will only exacerbate the problem.  My husband&#8217;s and my parents did not raise us like this, and we are not raising our children like that. But if the irresponsible masses out there welcome in a socialistic nanny state, my kids will never be able to live out their family values.  We cannot sit idly by and let America shoot herself in the foot like this!! We CAN NOT give up!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what we really have is wealth destruction, and again, to focus on so called wealth transfers is to play into the class envy game</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what we really have is wealth destruction, and again, to focus on so called wealth transfers is to play into the class envy game</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/02/24/the-foreclosing-of-the-american-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-3692</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that &quot;it&quot; won&#039;t happen again and even don&#039;t know if we will correct this mess.

I think we will though because now people are attentive and that a majority still love liberty and will see clearly the failure of liberal policies.

We the people must punish government perpetrators at the ballot box in 2010 and beyond, and we are more likely to do that by focusing on liberal democrats than confusing the issue with demonizing CEOs of banks.

We have to have banks and banks will always be run by flawed human beings. The market will exact its punishment eventually, but we must not fall into the dem lib trap of appealing to people by promising to make them happier due to the misery of others, or any class warfare appeals.

Human nature is what it is, with its greed and capitalism with its bubbles, and we can&#039;t change that. It is bad government policy and irresponsible private and public debt that caused this, and if our goal is to maintain the greatest system in history, we must not indulge diversions of schadenfreude.

more later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that &#8220;it&#8221; won&#8217;t happen again and even don&#8217;t know if we will correct this mess.</p>
<p>I think we will though because now people are attentive and that a majority still love liberty and will see clearly the failure of liberal policies.</p>
<p>We the people must punish government perpetrators at the ballot box in 2010 and beyond, and we are more likely to do that by focusing on liberal democrats than confusing the issue with demonizing CEOs of banks.</p>
<p>We have to have banks and banks will always be run by flawed human beings. The market will exact its punishment eventually, but we must not fall into the dem lib trap of appealing to people by promising to make them happier due to the misery of others, or any class warfare appeals.</p>
<p>Human nature is what it is, with its greed and capitalism with its bubbles, and we can&#8217;t change that. It is bad government policy and irresponsible private and public debt that caused this, and if our goal is to maintain the greatest system in history, we must not indulge diversions of schadenfreude.</p>
<p>more later</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of the Board of Health in our small town, my father is responsible for helping to write the budget with the other members of the Board.  They&#039;re holding the line on all expenditures from 2009-2010 except for one item that they cannot control:

The ambulance expenses are going up.  That doesn&#039;t just reflect the cost of finding good ambulances, they&#039;re going up because more people are getting hurt, in some cases because they&#039;re getting drunk and crashing their cars or otherwise injuring themselves, and when they do, they call 911.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the Board of Health in our small town, my father is responsible for helping to write the budget with the other members of the Board.  They&#8217;re holding the line on all expenditures from 2009-2010 except for one item that they cannot control:</p>
<p>The ambulance expenses are going up.  That doesn&#8217;t just reflect the cost of finding good ambulances, they&#8217;re going up because more people are getting hurt, in some cases because they&#8217;re getting drunk and crashing their cars or otherwise injuring themselves, and when they do, they call 911.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/02/24/the-foreclosing-of-the-american-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-3690</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up as a peasant farmer in the piss-poor rural South.  We didn&#039;t have the proverbial pot, but since we had more than lots around us, we thought ourselves well off.  As I grew up, I wasn&#039;t as parsimonious and risk-averse as my Depression Era parents, but I still knew the difference between cash flow and net worth.  I spent a lot of my young life as a small business person; some of the businesses were even legal.  There was no such thing as credit.  First, credit was hard to come by in the early &#039;70s.  Second, Wife 1.0 weren&#039;t exactly models of credit, character, and capacity.  I thought I&#039;d died and gone to Heaven when Sears gave me a credit card with a $300 limit back in the early &#039;70s.

When the Alaska economy went to Hell in the mid-&#039;80s, I ran for cover and took a government job.  Then I had credit!  The bank that wouldn&#039;t even factor my signed, financed contracts a year or two before had the branch manager calling me wanting to &quot;help&quot; me buy a house, or this, or that.  Then I hooked up with the woman who became Wife 2.0, much younger and a government accountant.  Money was just a shell game for her.  She is the archtype of what got us into this mess.  I don&#039;t fault her for it and I&#039;m not being critical; somewhere in the &#039;90s the paradigm changed; nobody cared about what you were worth, it was only a question of what you could afford.  And, afford was defined as whether you could make the payments long enough to move on to something else.  Well, that paradigm is broken.  And despite my wife&#039;s best efforts, I still have a few acres in Georgia that have been in my family since 1795 and have NEVER had a mortgage on them!  If I need it, that&#039;s the Redneck Redoubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up as a peasant farmer in the piss-poor rural South.  We didn&#8217;t have the proverbial pot, but since we had more than lots around us, we thought ourselves well off.  As I grew up, I wasn&#8217;t as parsimonious and risk-averse as my Depression Era parents, but I still knew the difference between cash flow and net worth.  I spent a lot of my young life as a small business person; some of the businesses were even legal.  There was no such thing as credit.  First, credit was hard to come by in the early &#8217;70s.  Second, Wife 1.0 weren&#8217;t exactly models of credit, character, and capacity.  I thought I&#8217;d died and gone to Heaven when Sears gave me a credit card with a $300 limit back in the early &#8217;70s.</p>
<p>When the Alaska economy went to Hell in the mid-&#8217;80s, I ran for cover and took a government job.  Then I had credit!  The bank that wouldn&#8217;t even factor my signed, financed contracts a year or two before had the branch manager calling me wanting to &#8220;help&#8221; me buy a house, or this, or that.  Then I hooked up with the woman who became Wife 2.0, much younger and a government accountant.  Money was just a shell game for her.  She is the archtype of what got us into this mess.  I don&#8217;t fault her for it and I&#8217;m not being critical; somewhere in the &#8217;90s the paradigm changed; nobody cared about what you were worth, it was only a question of what you could afford.  And, afford was defined as whether you could make the payments long enough to move on to something else.  Well, that paradigm is broken.  And despite my wife&#8217;s best efforts, I still have a few acres in Georgia that have been in my family since 1795 and have NEVER had a mortgage on them!  If I need it, that&#8217;s the Redneck Redoubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is going to be a Real Disaster in the short term for a lot of Real People.  In college towns throughout the United States, for instance, all of the local businesses that have depended on the Visa-card purchases of thousands of students to go to restaurants, buy beer and gasoline, and stuff for their dorms are going to see (if they aren&#039;t already) their businesses tank.  Places are already becoming ghost towns because that credit has dried up.  

The problem is that I see absolutely nothing in the government&#039;s &quot;stimulus&quot; packages that is ever going to put those people back to work in the long term.  And when the unemployment rate in this country gets to 15 or 20%, there&#039;s really going to be hell to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is going to be a Real Disaster in the short term for a lot of Real People.  In college towns throughout the United States, for instance, all of the local businesses that have depended on the Visa-card purchases of thousands of students to go to restaurants, buy beer and gasoline, and stuff for their dorms are going to see (if they aren&#8217;t already) their businesses tank.  Places are already becoming ghost towns because that credit has dried up.  </p>
<p>The problem is that I see absolutely nothing in the government&#8217;s &#8220;stimulus&#8221; packages that is ever going to put those people back to work in the long term.  And when the unemployment rate in this country gets to 15 or 20%, there&#8217;s really going to be hell to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/kowalski/2009/02/15/ben-bernankes-childhood-home-sold-in-foreclosure/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;banker who bought Ben Bernanke&#039;s childhood home remembers the &quot;suffering at Valley Forge?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

From the photographs, he doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;s suffering too much.  He looks like he just waited to snap the property up.  A lot more of that is going to happen in the next few months, and it&#039;s going to be very ugly, because people are going to really start to resist it actively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much the <a href="http://www.redstate.com/kowalski/2009/02/15/ben-bernankes-childhood-home-sold-in-foreclosure/" rel="nofollow">banker who bought Ben Bernanke&#8217;s childhood home remembers the &#8220;suffering at Valley Forge?&#8221;</a></p>
<p>From the photographs, he doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s suffering too much.  He looks like he just waited to snap the property up.  A lot more of that is going to happen in the next few months, and it&#8217;s going to be very ugly, because people are going to really start to resist it actively.</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/02/24/the-foreclosing-of-the-american-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-3687</link>
		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the past 20 years we&#039;ve based our society on credit and the consumption fueled by credit that was enabled by large amounts of funny money extended over longer and longer periods to increasingly bad credit risks,  thorough increasingly sophisticated mechanisms that were supposed to evaluate the risk of doing so accurately, but couldn&#039;t.

Government and private finance held hands in historic fashion to create the most unprecedented fraud in human history.  

We&#039;ve found out that those risk models either were not being programmed accurately or simply weren&#039;t being listened to when they forecast that the world would come crashing down.

The &quot;real money&quot; economy is going to be a terrible, wrenching pain for this country:  people who used to hand over Visa cards with $20,000 limits to college students are going to think twice.  People who took second mortgages on their homes to fund vacations to Costa Rica and braces for their kids are not going to get those loans.  People are not going to be able to purchase $50,000 cars when they already owe $250,000 and only earn $60,000 a year.  

Those things are all probably going to be good.  But let&#039;s make no mistake about it:  the perpetrators are not being punished as much as the dupes.  That&#039;s what galls me, Mike.

How can you really believe it won&#039;t happen again when you don&#039;t really punish both the people in the government and in the private sector who encouraged this disaster?  Even more pointedly, how can you bail out banks and lending institutions when their loan officers are there to snap up the foreclosures of working people who have been left high and dry by the terrible decisionmaking in Washington?

The guy who bought Ben Bernanke&#039;s foreclosed childhood home was a BANKER.  A loan officer, in fact.  He knew where the value was after all the &quot;losers&quot; got kicked out.  I think that&#039;s going to be happening a lot more in the next six months, and the results are not going to be pretty.  It looks like a gigantic wealth transfer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past 20 years we&#8217;ve based our society on credit and the consumption fueled by credit that was enabled by large amounts of funny money extended over longer and longer periods to increasingly bad credit risks,  thorough increasingly sophisticated mechanisms that were supposed to evaluate the risk of doing so accurately, but couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Government and private finance held hands in historic fashion to create the most unprecedented fraud in human history.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve found out that those risk models either were not being programmed accurately or simply weren&#8217;t being listened to when they forecast that the world would come crashing down.</p>
<p>The &#8220;real money&#8221; economy is going to be a terrible, wrenching pain for this country:  people who used to hand over Visa cards with $20,000 limits to college students are going to think twice.  People who took second mortgages on their homes to fund vacations to Costa Rica and braces for their kids are not going to get those loans.  People are not going to be able to purchase $50,000 cars when they already owe $250,000 and only earn $60,000 a year.  </p>
<p>Those things are all probably going to be good.  But let&#8217;s make no mistake about it:  the perpetrators are not being punished as much as the dupes.  That&#8217;s what galls me, Mike.</p>
<p>How can you really believe it won&#8217;t happen again when you don&#8217;t really punish both the people in the government and in the private sector who encouraged this disaster?  Even more pointedly, how can you bail out banks and lending institutions when their loan officers are there to snap up the foreclosures of working people who have been left high and dry by the terrible decisionmaking in Washington?</p>
<p>The guy who bought Ben Bernanke&#8217;s foreclosed childhood home was a BANKER.  A loan officer, in fact.  He knew where the value was after all the &#8220;losers&#8221; got kicked out.  I think that&#8217;s going to be happening a lot more in the next six months, and the results are not going to be pretty.  It looks like a gigantic wealth transfer.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ripple effect

Cause &amp; effect

Domino effect

Do the liberals have any idea what kind of effects we are talking about?

Homebuilders would be the first to give up -

another $500 Billion lost -

Then the banks would be loaning money for crack instead of homes -
another 2 TRILLION  lost

Then the cities &amp; states would lose there tax base

another 5 TRILLION or more lost.

Then all the Insurance companies would fold - 

another TRILLION or more lost.

The 8% cannot drag America into the crapper.

Then can go live in apartments or tents for all I care.

Obama and the left have just lost it.

Home ownership is not a right. 

The futher down Obama&#039;s yellowbrick road we go the harder

it will be to get back to sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ripple effect</p>
<p>Cause &amp; effect</p>
<p>Domino effect</p>
<p>Do the liberals have any idea what kind of effects we are talking about?</p>
<p>Homebuilders would be the first to give up -</p>
<p>another $500 Billion lost -</p>
<p>Then the banks would be loaning money for crack instead of homes -<br />
another 2 TRILLION  lost</p>
<p>Then the cities &amp; states would lose there tax base</p>
<p>another 5 TRILLION or more lost.</p>
<p>Then all the Insurance companies would fold &#8211; </p>
<p>another TRILLION or more lost.</p>
<p>The 8% cannot drag America into the crapper.</p>
<p>Then can go live in apartments or tents for all I care.</p>
<p>Obama and the left have just lost it.</p>
<p>Home ownership is not a right. </p>
<p>The futher down Obama&#8217;s yellowbrick road we go the harder</p>
<p>it will be to get back to sanity.</p>
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