Racism and white guys from the South


Just heard the local talk radio conservative here in Charlotte, on podcast from earlier today, praise the election of Michael Steele and express relief that Katon Dawson, from across the border, did not win.

The reason for Tera Servatious’s relief?

That we didn’t elect another “white guy from the South. We’ve tried that.”

This is racism.

I hate to have to point out this obvious fact, especially against a person that I otherwise admire and agree with on most issues, but how could I look myself in the mirror if I didn’t?

My political career has been defined by aversion to racism. My family opposed it against blacks in the 60s and 70s, as did I in the 70s and 80s. One of the main reasons I became a Republican in 2000 is that I saw the Democratic Party become racist in their advocacy of race based policies and laws.

One of the first columns of mine on Redstate to get picked up by other sites was my chastisement of Hugh Hewitt and other Republicans last year for their publicly announced aversion to another Southerner for a GOP Presidential nominee.

My Southern people voted for JFK, Reagan and Bush 41, non-Southerners all.

It would never occur to me to consider the domicile of a candidate as a factor in my support.

What they stand for; the laws they would enact; and their character determines my vote.

MLK and content of character comes to mind. Jesus comes to mind.

A question: Are non-Southerners so shallow and pathetic that region could turn them against a candidate?

If so,

Eff them.

And for the record, my first two choices for RNC chair were Blackwell and Steele.



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I do not care about skin color

CarlSchurz (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:04AM EST (link)

I care about character. And anyone who calls this East Tennesseean a racist better understand that East Tennessee tried to seceed from Tennessee when Tennessee seceed, that 35,000 East Tennessee men fought for the Union and then went from being Whig to promptly Republican. You know, the party of Lincoln.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

an example of a Southern white guy

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:15AM EST (link)

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This site has always proven indifferent to bigotry against Southerners-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:16AM EST (link)

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Mike GC Devine, site indifference to bigorty against Southerners?

DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:27AM EST (link)

I am curious, given that I am a Southerner, though not born on the eastern shore of MD, which the rest of MD considers rednecks, I since have moved to VA to fit in more with the Southerners who seem to share many of the same values and politics as I do. Anyway, if there is some sort of indifference of our Redstate to Bigotry of Southerners I will be the first one to say, “So, what are you trying to say”.

By "the site", I mean the Powers that Be but must confess that very few of the non-PTBs ever express any righteous indignation over such bigotry either

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:36AM EST (link)

I have been a regular here for over 5 years. I have been a Southerner since conception for over 45 years. I tried jury trials up North years before there was a WWW.

Only HERE, did I come face to face with anti-Southern bigotry writ large, and I was an active Democrat for 18 yrs.

None of the PTBs have ever been so bigoted. No. Its always been either ignorant northerners or ex-patriots. But the most blatent was a man I admire greatly: Hugh Hewitt. He was against Fred Thompson because he was a Southerner.

Maybe, they are more savy than me, but to accept that is to accept the fact that non-Southerners are bigots.

maybe that’s the case

Hence, my superiority complex…

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Thanks for the clarification...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:41AM EST (link)

No doubt, we have the same perspective.

 

Mike was he against Thompson

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:43AM EST (link)

because he was a Southerner, or because he didn’t think another Southerner could win in an election immediately after Bush.

Hell is other people – Sartre

Steve, I am sure it was the latter, and I love Hugh

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 1:52AM EST (link)

as a conservative, a lawyer and a Christian. His book The Embarrassed Believer has been very important to me and he was instrumental in my conservative epiphany in 2001, BUT

some of his rhetoric revealed some deep seated bigotry that even he is not aware of, and I have reluctantly come to see that many non-Southerners and self-loathing Southerners have this malady.

But to return to your question, I find it MORE disturbing that Hugh and others didn’t think “another” Southerner could win immediately after Bush. That idea is a devastating indictment of non-Southerners both intellectually and morally.

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I have to disagree with that.

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:00AM EST (link)

A lot of politics is identity politics and a lot of people vote more emotionally than logically. Obama is a special case (and not Northeastern), but I think most Dems at this point realize they can’t win at the National Level with Northeastern candidates. They do best with Southern candidates, because Middle America doesn’t have the visceral disconnect with them. Same thing this year with a post Bush candidacy. Fair or not, Bush was radioactive, as was anything that reminded people of him on that visceral level, Southern, and especially Southern evangelical amongst them (and yeah I know the ironic thing is Bush isn’t/wasn’t a Southern evangelical).

Hell is other people – Sartre

Disagree? You confirm the presence of anti-Southern bigotry that I am decrying-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:02AM EST (link)

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I'm gonna think about this for a bit.

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:20AM EST (link)

I’ve spent a bunch of time thinking about regionalism, especially since reading Jim Webb’s “Born Fighting.” I still don’t think what you are talking about is bigotry exactly, but I don’t have a great answer as to why not.

Hell is other people – Sartre

btw, I love Webb's Born Fighting - great book - and I respect the fact that

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:24AM EST (link)

you want to think about this issue.

God bless

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yeah I"m something of a Dixiephile.

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:41AM EST (link)

I’ve never lived in the South long term, but have spent a good bit of time in Gerogia and Alabama and Texas (if you want to count that *grin). I need to get this into a more cogent form, but the South in a lot of ways still seems like a country to me, one that makes more sense to me than the U.S. as a whole. I’m sort of paleo-conservative in the sense that I think a country or a people come from shared culture, shared land, often shared religion, “the people and the soil” if you will. I also know sometimes you aren’t actually born where you were meant to be. It is a reason I sometimes have trouble with “American patriotism.” Yes I love this country, but my “first love” are the places I’ve connected with, these days Alaska (which is the Northernmost Southern state!) The other thing is that during my times in the South, well, I am a New York born fairly well educated Jew, and was treated almost universally with respect and kindness (about the only downside is that at the time, I didn’t have enough Jewish education to really answer peoples questions). I remember when I was leaving Texas, that people I barely knew invited me to live with them if money was a problem, It is hard to explain how incomprehensible that was to someone coming from my background. Sorry for the ramble, but by happenstance, this is something I think about a lot (not least because I hope to at least snowbird in Alabama at some point).

Hell is other people – Sartre

Love the Alaska as the northernmost Southern state

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:46AM EST (link)

My point is quite simple

each individual should be judged on their character, principles and policies

period

if anyone judges a person based on race, region, etc

it is bigotry

period

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As you think about this, think about the color of GWB's eyes-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:29AM EST (link)

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also think about this: Reagan was a great President from California

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:31AM EST (link)

Arnold is from California

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Is this bigotry or perception?

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:23PM EST (link)

Face it you think of laid back white guys from the south and elite snobs from the north. The west coast is Hollywood and the east coast is mixed with snobs to the north and hayseeds to the south. This has been a subject of satire for decades. Most of us can see through it and do. I think too much is made of this sort of profiling and that is what brings in the issue of race. Sometimes comments are just that…comments. Not meaning anything until someone defines it.

Maggie in Indiana

There are stereotypes for a reason

Steve W (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 11:52AM EST (link)

Stereotypes, right-or-wrong, exist. They exist because of a perception, real-or-imagined, that a majority of class “X” do, say, act, react, think, don’t think – in a certain way.

If a good portion of class “X” did not act in that way (at least at one time) there would be no stereotype.

The problem, as I see it, is not that there are stereotypes, or that it may or may not be bigoted to believe in stereotypes – and is definitely not PC to express a stereotype (although people do all the time about religion). The problem, is that it is almost impossible to rid class “X” of that stereotype once it has been applied.

Hence, I agree with GC – if we have the time to find out about a person – we should base our judgment of that person based on their character, the principles they espouse, and the policies they maintain – in essence – WHO THEY ARE and WHAT THEY DO.

The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
- Ronald Reagan

 
 

Is this bigotry or perception?

Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:23PM EST (link)

Face it you think of laid back white guys from the south and elite snobs from the north. The west coast is Hollywood and the east coast is mixed with snobs to the north and hayseeds to the south. This has been a subject of satire for decades. Most of us can see through it and do. I think too much is made of this sort of profiling and that is what brings in the issue of race. Sometimes comments are just that…comments. Not meaning anything until someone defines it.

Maggie in Indiana

 
 

I would have to say it does fit the definition of bigotry in my opinion

Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:45AM EST (link)

bigot n. One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

bigotry n. The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

It would be like me from the south calling somebody from a different area in the nation stupid because they do not have sweet tea, etc… I would not do that – I might miss my sweet tea but I like to see how other people live and what they do when I travel. And even if it was something I was thinking in my head – NO WAY would I try that – I would not make that person feel uncomfortable about their customs, etc… I think it is cool to see how other people eat, drink, live, etc…

I do have to admit I was shocked one time. We went to Miami, South Beach, and went to a restaurant and asked for a sweet tea with lemon, and the waiter said – they all come with lemon, well, it had a bar inside so I thought well, I guess being in Miami and tropical perhaps they put lemons in all their drinks??? Anyways, the guy comes back and brings a nestea (that had lemon flavor), I know I looked like really but I was not mean, so I said I did not know it came in a can, could I have a coke, and the guy said we have Pepsi – I think I just asked for a water at that point, when the man left we got to laughing so hard, I said we traveled how many hours south of Atlanta but I think we landed up north – here is an example of my statement could be seen as giving labels and stereotypes to a place but I was never mean about it – I just never tried to order tea or cokes again while we were there. If I had said I can’t believe these idiots don’t have cokes or sweet tea then that would have been bigotry – I don’t feel that way – I was a visitor, traveling, having fun, that is just the way I am but not all people are like that. I have a lot of co-workers who have moved from up north down south and I hear all the time when I was in New York, or when I was in Chicago, or when I was in Philly, we had this and we got that and it was so much better than here. I look at it like this if they don’t like the south, no one is forcing them to stay here but I also understand it would be hard to be away from everything you have ever known. If I ever moved from the south I might miss some things but I would be sure to go out of my way to try and not put down where I was and say back in Georgia we had this and that and ya’ll should too ; )

Sorry so long but I thought that gave a good example ; )

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin

amen to all that - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:48AM EST (link)

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The South stops somewhere a bit

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:50AM EST (link)

north of Orlando. From there South it is a subtropical suburb of New York, and you really CAN tell that you’ve reached it when the places serve unsweetened iced tea instead of sweet.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 

the dictionary does not lie

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:52AM EST (link)

(most of the time). You guys win :)

Hell is other people – Sartre

 

Reminds me of some mugs we had printed up

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:04AM EST (link)

for the trading desk that said “We don’t care how you did in New York”.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

As Lewis Grizzard said, "Delta is ready when you are."

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:04AM EST (link)

I learned really quickly as I applied for jobs with Yankee corporations in Atlanta in ’70 – ’71 that a Southern accent meant you had to be twice as good to be thought half as much of. It is the same all over the Country, worse in the Northeast, but you often get it even here in Alaska even though a very large percentage of Alaska’s population is Southern ex-patriates because of the military and oil industry.

Even here, if you’re at all identifiable as a Southerner, any adversary from the left side of the ditch is going to trot out racist, cracker, KKK, etc. any time you’re in a beef with them. That has become MUCH worse with the ascendency of The One, whose sycophants use racism accusations to assail anyone who dared to criticize him. I got banned from the Juneau Empire website last week when in response to my saying BHO was a communist trained organizer, some lefty hiding behind a screen name started a rant on how I was from Georgia and a racist cracker who had a Confederate flag on my pickup. I invited him over to my house – I post under my real name on the JE – to view my pickup and call me a racist cracker to my face. I advised him to come armed. What he said was OK, but I got banned.

The irony really is I lived in Georgia for about 23 of the first 24 years of my life and have lived in Alaska since 1974. In The South, my accent would get, “You a Yankee, ain’tcha?” I get in arguments here with GC because I don’t share his unbridled love of The South. Yet, anywhere in the Country if there is the slightest hint of a Southern accent, you’re a Southerner and every stereotype gets invoked. If Jeff Foxworthy said of any other heritage or ethnicity what he says of Southerners, he’d be in jail or dead rather than rich and famous.

I took Lewis Grizzard’s advice when I found ATL uninhabitable in ’74, though it wasn’t particularly because of its Southerness; mostly I was just tired of carrying a gun all the time in what was then the murder capital of America, and I don’t much like cities no matter where they are. I would not self-identify as a Southerner, certainly wouldn’t have back then. I finally figured out that whether I self-identified or not, I would be identified as a Southerner and would simply have to deal with the stereotypes. Fortunately, it wasn’t very hard to be twice as good.

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It's like the widow my friends ran into in southern Italy

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:47AM EST (link)

She had been widowed for some years, and wore the traditional black. When asked why she still wore it, she exclaimed: “I hate these black dresses! But the village won’t tolerate it if I wear anything else!”

 

you are twice as good brother - nt

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Dems have done best with candidates that run as conservatives, whether they be from Hawaii,

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:04AM EST (link)

Georgia, Texas, Massachusetts (JFK) or Arkansas

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war is an ugly thing

tsar (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:30PM EST (link)

Lets give John Stuart Mill credit for that statement!

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I agree anti-Southern bigotry is real

Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:14AM EST (link)

For me I don’t care about skin color except for me that it makes each of us special in our own ways. I was born way after all of the civil rights movement (thank goodness). I am thankful that those walls were knocked down – don’t get me wrong I know racism does still exist but nothing like separate bathrooms and white people in the front of the bus and black people in the back of the bus, etc… God bless Rosa Parks and all people of all colors that fought this.

I also had my first choice of Ken Blackwell and Michael Steele and I would have liked them no matter what their color – because of their message, their passion, and they just stood out way ahead of the others to me. I liked Chip Saltsman too but I did not think the cd thing was the best move – but he did an awesome job with Huckabee’s campaign. I liked Saul A., I did not like part of what he spoke about the auto bailout but he is from Michigan and he and his family worked for the big 3 I believe I remember.

Anyways, southern bigotry does exist. Think about it, it was like Huckabee telling that story about cooking squirrels in popcorn cookers. I have older people in my family that eats squirrels – my granny was an awesome cook and it smelled good and she talked me into trying it – one bite and no more, back like 70 years ago when my granny was growing up on a farm and did not have a lot of money – this is how they ate – this is something she grew up on, I did not but I don’t see anything wrong with it if they like it ; ) but you would have thought that this was the end of the world. Yet, in other areas of the nation people eat different exotic stuff that I would not want either – but do they get made fun of? NO. This bigotry does exist – and I don’t like it either.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin

eat (sorry not eats) squirrel ; )

Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:16AM EST (link)

n/t

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin

 

thanks es - nt

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I can't believe you people don't like squirrel.

itrytobenice (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 12:07AM EST (link)

They’re a lot like rabbit. Fun to hunt and fun to eat. Not as good as beef, obviously, but nice for a change of pace.

And I can’t say anything about Northern bigotry against Southerners, because I’m as bad of a bigot as anyone alive.

Yankees drive me nuts. They suffer from the most undeserved superiority complex ever to grace a psychology textbook.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Vote Republican in November, eat squirrel in March

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 12:14AM EST (link)

is what I grew up with. Yeah, I’ve eaten them, and shot them, but to me it means we’d pretty much run out of everything else. My Grandad taught me to shoot. He had an old, beat up 1903 rolling block Remington .22. His view was that if you couldn’t kill it with a .22, you didn’t deserve to eat. He could hip shoot those big Georgia gray squirrels. Most amazing thing; we’d be walking in the woods and in the middle of a conversation or just out of nowhere, that gun would come up, and a squirrel would come down. At least in my younger days, I could shoot that way from following him around; the gun followed my mind. If I could see the squirrel, the gun would find him. Those of you who shoot know what I’m talking about.

In Vino Veritas

You musta been rich.

itrytobenice (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 12:25AM EST (link)

When things got tough, my grandparents ate possum. Now that’s hard times. I suppose you can’t have anything except hard times raising 13 kids in Ozark hills and rocks.

And if BO kills the economy like I think he’s going to, we may be back to eating squirrel to survive. Luckily, Hubby can kill them with a rock, because we probably won’t be able to afford bullets with BO’s little gun/ammo tax scheme.

I am already beginning to develop a visceral hatred for him. I hope I don’t get deranged. I mean, hate is a reasonable response to a man who is going to destroy the country. I just hope I don’t find the outer limits of it.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
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Squirrel = tree rat

1SGinTN (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 12:35AM EST (link)

With regard to my bird feeders the squirrels are the little democrats in my back yard, because what they don’t steal, they tear up.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

I can afford to like them these days.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 2:18AM EST (link)

I’ve cultivated a whole big crop of squirrels in my yard – just in case I need them.

In Vino Veritas

Squirrels are obnoxious little bastages

bk (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 4:52AM EST (link)

They take every pecan out of our tree if they can. It wouldn’t be so bad if they ate them, but half of them end up buried across the yard.

They go after every bird feeder.

They like to torment dogs. (Though one of my dogs did catch one once and made him pay the ultimate price.)

My neighbor and I started catching them and uh, sending them to squirrel heaven. Last year between he and I we dispatched something like 40 of them, so they must multiply like crazy. But it seems they multiply faster than we can dispose of them.

Kind of like the federal government, although your solution would be a tad risky

streetwise (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 2:52PM EST (link)

with that type of animal. :>)

 
 

I shot a couple

1SGinTN (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 2:17PM EST (link)

of your Alaskan squirrels once upon a time, for disturbing my attempt to sleep-in. I was camping in the Chugach and they would not stop their chattering in the tree above me early one morning. My snooze button was a shot in each of their heads with a S&W Model 59. They became breakfast later that morning.

That was almost 30 years ago, I doubt my eyesight or steadiness of hand is good enough for that kind of shooting now.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

I'd hate to know I had to hit one with a handgun

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 2:35PM EST (link)

these days. I can’t hit the broadside of a barn with one except real close in. Never have really worked with them they way I did rifles when I was a kid. I’m still pretty good with a rifle, but my eyesight sure isn’t what it once was.

In Vino Veritas

Dang, I though you were talking about liberals

civil truth (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 3:29PM EST (link)

Instead it’s a thread about dispatching squirrels. And no recipies, even.

Of course our local squirrels are probably loaded with more toxins than a Superfund site…

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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I could hit a liberal!

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 5:53PM EST (link)

It’s the squirrels that are smart and evasive.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

Dude, in Oregon they are called Sierra Club Members.

Tbone (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 7:06PM EST (link)

Just because the Alaskans call them squirrels…….

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Southern Accent = 25 points off your IQ

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:58AM EST (link)

This was the hard, sad truth I ran up against when, young and ambitious, I spread my business wings. The moment I picked up a phone and had someone above the Mason-Dixon line on the other end, I got treated like the village idiot.

I’d attended a small but academically tough liberal arts university (Furman) in South Carolina. I wasn’t stupid, and somehow I even managed to fool a few of those standardized tests into thinking I had an above-average IQ.

I was braced for the sexism I encountered (a whole other story), but the Southern thing really hit me hard. The New Yorkers I worked with took about two years of working with me to get over their preconceived idea that I was Ellie May Clampett. To them, anyone with a Southern accent was a hillbilly; they could not distinguish education or even what part of the South I might have hailed from.

(The funny thing about this was that when I started college in SC, they told me that I “talked like a Yankee”, as I was from Virginia!)

Eventually, I learned to use people’s underestimating me as a secret weapon. And as people got to know me, they’d open up and tell me all kinds of things they thought about Southerners, stuff that made me just crazy.

I still run into that today. I travel a lot, all over America, and sometimes to Europe. Overlaying my Virginia accent is now a bit of Texas, after nine years here. I’ve learned that ignorance isn’t geographic. There are people who will stereotype you based on your age, sex, accent, weight, skin color, religion, nationality, or haircolor everywhere.

And 99 times out of 100, they are dead wrong.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

Using the underestimation as a weapon! I am from Spartanburg and was summa cum laude/phi beta kappa at Wofford

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:06AM EST (link)

I have won jury trials in Worcester, Mass; Minneapolis and Los Angeles.

You confirm and justify my superiority complex as per Yankee bigots.

feels right

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I'm from Spartanburg and graduated "Praise the Laude"

olsmithie (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:51PM EST (link)

Wofford's dorms were worse than Puerto Rican prisons

Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:02PM EST (link)

Dupree Hall (however it’s spelled) was so bad I would think the rats would have been offended.

Spartanburg annoys the heck out of me. Dorman High School was a nemesis of mine for quizbowl competitions anyway.

 

I was in class summa the time at Georgia Southern. nt

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 12:12PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 

That is another good point - sexism and southern

Elizabeth Christian (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:25AM EST (link)

If ya’ll look at how Sarah Palin was treated – I know she is from Alaska but she was treated like people from the south are. Because Alaska – they hunt and is more country than city – she was treated the same way we are treated.

I guess that is another reason she is a role model for me ; )

I just work extra hard and show them I can do anything I put my mind to – I am very competitive and if you stereotype me and tell me it cannot be done – trust me God-willing it will be done ; )

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin

The Bigotry

CarlSchurz (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 12:38PM EST (link)

Is not regional per se.

It is big city versus rural. It is also the partisan split.

And yes, I like Hank Williams Junior and Kenny Chesney.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

Yes and no.

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:02PM EST (link)

I agree that many in northeastern cities think all Southerners live on a farm or a tiny town or in Butcher Hollow. To be fair, I run into this attitude in San Francisco and London, too.

But I’m always amused to get ‘tude from someone hailing from, say, Boston or Philly. Both cities are much smaller than the one I live in — the fourth largest in America.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

Hix from the stix, as them city folk like t'say.

stang (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 3:44AM EST (link)

I agree with you on the urban/rural schism Carl. I live in a rural area in the high desert, the Mojave, just outside of Los Angeles. It’s 78.3 miles ( remember, SoCal fwys go 70+ most of the time) from my front door to Staples Center to watch the Lakers. That’s barely 15 minutes longer than driving from South O.C. to the same destination.

After living nearly 30 years in the O.C., all but a few close friends now greet me with “You live where”? Like I have gotten stupider due to my geographic change of pace.

And then there’s the city folk that move out here to the “country life” and relatively inexpensive real estate. They start bitching about the lack of civilized amenities as soon as they step out their now dirty and dusty SUV. Absolutely clueless. Then they immediately begin trying to citify the landscape and the people who live here because they “actually like” things the way they are. They are a pernicious breed.

As to the political relationship, rural living breeds self reliance as well as genuine community whereas urban dwelling seems to perpetuate group victimhood and greivance settlement by government.

An’ I ain’t from the south neither. Spent my chilehood in a rural Ohio farm community, pop. 7000, give’r take, by way of DEtroit, Michigan, Highland Park to be specific. Raised up church proper, conservative, an’ even went to college. Mostly good grammar and spelling, diction and elocution attributed to engineer English teacher father from England.

My experiences with reactions to my rural domicile and affectations from my more urban(e) aquaintances would seem to support your point.

“By the rude bridge that arched the flood, Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled; Here once the embattled farmers stood, And fired the shot heard round the world.”

Ralph Waldo Emerson

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

 
 
 
 

Yeah, This is silly....

J. Leg (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:00AM EST (link)

To be be absolutely fair, I have a lot of liberal friends who are aware of the condecension toward white southerners and also think it’s dumb and silly.

White southerners are so far removed from slavery and are almost completely removed from those implicit in Jim Crow, it’s ridiculous to assume Southerners are racist.

When I was in Europe last fall, and Europeans asked me where they should visit stateside, I often told them the south is probably the most welcoming, warm, friendliest place in the entire country. Most of the time they appreciated the information, but you got some liberal Europeans shocked I’d ever suggest anyone go to the South.

thank you and I just wish more yankees were as far removed from expoliting

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 3:08AM EST (link)

slavery from afar…

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I only hate texas But thats due to football.

arthurcrandall Saturday, January 31st at 5:58AM EST (link)

Otherwise the only issue i have with the south is the stars and bars. There is only one American flag that you pledge alliegence to. The other flag should be seen for the anti American trash it is and burned everywhere its found.

For anyone to take “pride” in such a thing or even allow it around them,, then they got it coming to them.. When i see people who talk such nonsense about their confederate heritage, I feel like i’m seeing a video tape from al-quaeda. So, don’t take it personally if i view a state who flies that flag or espouses it’s confederate heritage as an equal to a terrorist state that cries out “death to America”. They are one and the same to me.

First, you don't even know what the "Stars and Bars" is.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:24AM EST (link)

Like most ignorant people, you think you’re talking about the St. Andrew’s Cross of the Confederate Battle Flag, the blue X accross the red field with 11 or 13 white stars on the blue. That flag was never the flag of the Confederate States.

The “Stars and Bars” was the National Flag of the Confederate States until mid-1863. The field is three stripes, red, white, red and the canton is blue with the stars in a circle, the number varying by the date. The three wide stripes were the “Bars” of the Stars and Bars, a flag which was easily confused with the US Flag on the battlefield and which was replaced as the regimental flag of units of the Provisional Army of the Confederate States by ’62, though it continued to be flown over government offices and military headquarters. I love the delicious irony of the anti-flag types who were after the St. Andrew’s Cross in the Georgia flag a few years back and insisted that it be replaced with the pre-’56 flag, which was in fact the “Stars and Bars” of the Confederate States. Georgia’s pre-Civil War flag was a blue or white field displayig the State Seal and the “Constitution” and “Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation” mottos.

The true Battle Flag was square, the most common infantry flag was 4 feet square and was only unfurled as a Regiment deployed for battle and was the point and symbol upon which a regiment organized and rallied. The St. Andrew’s Cross battle flag was only universal in the Army of Northern Virginia. A rectangular version of it was used in the PACS Department of Georgia and South Carolina. Most of the western CS Armies used a deriviative of the “Bonny Blue Flag” which was a blue field with a white oval in the center. There was also some use of the Bonny Blue Flag itself; a blue field with a single white star.

Now, next time you won’t sound so ignorant and as the tee shirts so aptly say, “you wear your X, I’ll wear mine.”

In Vino Veritas

And the flag of England isn't the Union Jack, either

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 2:14PM EST (link)

This is what happens when people get their history from Hollywood.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 

Here is a guy who obviously likes to start trouble

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:29PM EST (link)

I’m your huckleberry.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

He's only been here two weeks and

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:34PM EST (link)

hasn’t been heard from since he laid this on the floor.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

After reading your little screed arthurcrandall

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:41PM EST (link)

I followed the lead of our greatest President, Abraham Lincoln, and broke out in a chorus of Dixie.

If you really want to burn a flag, burn this one…

That's the most egregious dishonor to the National Colors

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:55PM EST (link)

by a US citizen than I have seen. More so in some repects than the William Ayers photo.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

Like I said.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:00PM EST (link)

Burn that one.

 
 

Oh, my heart poundeth with Devotion! Not. nt

streetwise (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 2:54PM EST (link)

Oh, my heart poundeth with Devotion! Not. nt

streetwise (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 2:54PM EST (link)
 

thanks troll, i hope you are banned -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 1:36AM EST (link)

nt

Molon Labe!

He's been gone for hours.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 1:43AM EST (link)

Moe got him on another thread even before HappyBunny got to him. And Happy was pissed.

 
 
 

Hey, GC, you wanna piece of me? :>)

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:01AM EST (link)

When it comes to stereotypes, having an Italian background is an excellent education!

A theme I hope to develop more- now that their totem of evil, GWB, is off the stage, the left desperately needs a substitute. Their ersatz religion needs a demon to be exorcised during their cultic ceremonies.

Rush Limbaugh, white Southerners, Republicans who dare to vote “No” on legislation supported by The One (the noive!)- stay tuned.

Maybe GC someday. But then you will have hit the Big Time. Mazel tov!

thanks brother - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 7:24PM EST (link)

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I thought the civil war was over long ago - maybe not?

Praying (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 4:14PM EST (link)

Or maybe, just maybe, we are getting caught up in another ploy of the liberals. Where are the majority of the red states? In the southeast. Therefore, attack the southeast, or “southerners” in general. (just like they attacked Rush Limbaugh the other day.) Now it’s bad enough if the liberals do it, but in comments above, it sounds like we are doing it to each other. What is the point of that? To lower our standards and behavior to those of the scummy libs? I think not! United we stand, divided we fall. I don’t know if it’s within human nature to just all get along [group hug] but lets pick our battles – we can be black, yellow, red, white, male, female, Ph.D or GED, rich, poor – it doesn’t matter. What does matter is that we stand together on the principle of small government and fiscal responsibility. And those that don’t accept that ideal, well, they are the “other”.

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

The past isn't dead.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 4:19PM EST (link)

It isn’t even past. h/t Wm. Faulkner

In Vino Veritas

 

The War Between the States will never be over

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:58PM EST (link)

as long as these damnyankees keep bringing the subject back up ;>)

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

 
 

Life imitates the Beverly Hillbillies.

Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 5:08PM EST (link)

As I’ve remarked previously in these pages…

If you think The Beverly Hillbillies was a satire directed at Southerners and mountain folk, guess what?

The joke’s on you, sport.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

Liberal elites would choose the military if the cappucino service were improved. :>) nt

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:54PM EST (link)

Sorry, that was supposed to be a response to Lord Vegas. nt

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:55PM EST (link)
 

Mr and Mrs Drysdale! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:59PM EST (link)

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Gonna do my "northern" best to respond

Lord_Vegas (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 6:16PM EST (link)

Using my crackberry since I am still without satellite service.

It’s interesting that GWB is identified as an ignorant Southern dolt because of his accent when the man comes from one of the most elite Northeastern liberal icon Families in the country. I mean you can take the elitist out of the NE but you cannot make him drink.

Southerners cannot be taught to drive on ice and snow, its not in their genetic makeup; but neither can a Northerner be taught to appreciate grits! We are different – it would be nice if people learned to live with it.

Red-lining is a Northern invention. Socialism as government policy is a New England liberal elitist “We can make it work” conception.

Maybe the fact that a much greater proportion of Southerners choose military sevice over liberal elites IS a sign of mental deficiency. For some reason, Southerners seem to believe this country is worth fighting [and YES even dying] for. How dum is that!

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Dave, I teared up at paragraph 4 - God bless you - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 7:22PM EST (link)

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Huey Long Says Hello

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:04PM EST (link)

Collectivism and populism have a long hisory in the South. Agrarian societies are often predisposed to collectivism. Socialists like Huey Long had much success in the South long before the academic/elitist Marxists and socialists took root in the North.

Not into Share Our Wealth? (nt)

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:11PM EST (link)

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Funny - More Things Change The More They Stay The Same

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:30PM EST (link)

I was trying to think of the name of Long’s plans”Share our Wealth” and “Every Man A King”.

So I went into Wikipedia, doesnt this sound familiar:

“Long created the Share Our Wealth program in 1934, with the motto “Every Man a King,” proposing new socialist wealth redistribution measures in the form of a net asset tax on corporations and individuals to curb the poverty and crime resulting from the Great Depression. To stimulate the economy, Long advocated federal spending on public works, public education, old-age pensions and other social programs. He was an ardent critic of the Federal Reserve System’s policies to reduce lending.”

 
 
 

I'd say the Northeast conception

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:31PM EST (link)

that leads to all sorts of “isms,” including socialism is the vestigial remains of the old Puritan notion (and some other Protestant faiths) of the perfectibility of man. One of the real divides in 19th Century America was not just North and South but the religious differences between North and South. The Northern manifestation of various Protestant religions subscribed to “salvation by works” and many churches very ostentatiously engaged in works of faith and various missionary activities towards not just the “heathen” but those Protestant believers that did not share their beliefs. The Southern manifestations were much more easy going about others’ practice of religion and while a Primitive Baptist might worship zealously in his way, he did not seek to convert anyone to his Faith, even the “Missionary Baptists” with whom he disagreed primarily on this point. Though he might sincerely believe that Missionary Baptists and especially Methodists were going to Hell.

As someone below points out, while some sects in the NE had communal beliefs and lifestyles, the antebellum South had no aversion to state sponsored endeavors such as state-owned capital improvements, railroads, etc. During the Confederate period, the various Confederate States had a level of social welfare activity and state owned enterprises that would not be seen again in America until the Great Society.

In Vino Veritas

Yeah I've actually think that the defining

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:01PM EST (link)

conservative quote comes from “Enemy At the Gates”, spoken by the “Political Officer” Danilov, “Man will always be man, there is no new man.”

Hell is other people – Sartre

good one Steve - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:04PM EST (link)

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Yet almost all totalitarian movements claim

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:15PM EST (link)

to have created a “New Man,” including that Political Officer’s regime. The Nazis worked it hardest I guess, but the Soviets weren’t far behind. Now you have this poisonous brew of post-modernism and communism beleived by people who don’t really know anything about either espousing their “hope” for “change” in the form of their new kind of man. Sound familiar?

In Vino Veritas

Art this has just been a bizzare

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:24PM EST (link)

week for me. I hate being wrong, and man did I read Obama wrong.

Hell is other people – Sartre

Did I read Obama wrong

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:26PM EST (link)

Please elaborate.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

izone I thought Bush was a failure domestically

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:32PM EST (link)

and while he was right in most of his foreign policy beliefs, his execution sucked. McCain was old and trying to be all things to all people, and Palin wasn’t ready for prime time. I figured Obama would be Clinton redux and either by choice or pushback would have to govern from the center. Post Bush I thought that would not be the worst thing. That pretty well died with the his first interview on Arab TV and it was pulled off of life support with this naked payback to the left stimulus package.

Hell is other people – Sartre

Right on Bush. Right on Clinton. Right on McCain.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:39PM EST (link)

BO will be the most successful President in history, at least in terms of getting his agenda translated in to law. And it’ll be mostly done by June 1.

He’s going to make what Hitler did to Poland look like a truce.

Well what he did to Germany between '32 and '36

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:56PM EST (link)

is probably a better analogy. A few weeks ago I’d have said I had a pretty good understanding of the NSDAP’s rise to power – I didn’t, or at least I didn’t really understand Wiemar Germany. I’ve spent the last month looking hard at the Wiemar Republic and how Hitler came to power and the parallels to today are frightening. There was a point, say ’26 or even ’28, that Germany could have gone on as a constitutional republic, become a communist state, or gone to a more or less right wing totalitarian state. We on the right focus on the “Socialist” in National Socialist, but what enabled the NSDAP to come to power was their coming to terms with the very conservative Reichswehr and the Employer/Industrialists on the right to oppose the communists and the “trade union state” that Wiemar had become.

Despite the stereotype, even the Germany of Kaiser Wilhelm was a pretty liberal state interms of positivist law, social welfare systems, and government intervention in markets, etc. The role of government was greatly expanded in WWI and much of German industry was nationalized and unionized. The parallels to the American War Labor Board and War Production Board of WWII are striking, though the German system ultimately gave the unions more rights and powers than the American system did. In Wiemar, they quickly established all the hallmarks of the liberal state that we would associate with the New Deal and the Great Society. Then with all that social welfare cost in place, they tried to inflate their way out of their economic problems and their reparation burden. Didn’t work and the Country essentially disolved into warring factions in the early 30s. The Left couldn’t get it together, Hitler made his peace with the Right, and the rest is a very tragic history. You’d be amazed at how much Wiemar labor policy looks like the Card Check scheme though.

In Vino Veritas

I was referring to the speed that the Wehrmacht

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:05PM EST (link)

over ran the Polish horse cavalry with Panzers being analogous to BO’s legislative Blitzkrieg rolling over Republicans.

Your political points are well taken and very apt.

Out of respect for the Poles

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:16PM EST (link)

I would have used the analogy of the Italian Fascists crushing the Ethiopians.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

The Poles actually put up a good fight.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:45PM EST (link)

They did the best they could with horse mounted cavalry when facing tanks and virtually unlimited air war.

And then, let’s not forget what was probably the biggest embarrassment of the war for the Wehrmacht, the Warsaw ghetto uprising where untrained, starved, virtually unarmed civilian Jews fought the best the German Army and the SS had to a standstill.

Mostly, the weaponry wasn't the issue.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 12:06AM EST (link)

The Germans had communications and command and control down in a very modern way; mostly thanks to the US. If you’d had Henry V’s archers, you’d have had a pretty good shot against any infantry unit using single shot weapons into the early 20th Century. In the Napoleonic Wars, Wellington tried to find archers because their rate of fire was superior to the musket=armed infantryman, only to be told that England didnt’ have them anymore.

There is a point where superior firepower reigns, but until you get to that point, good tactics and skill reign.

I don’t know that the Warsaw Ghetto was an embarassment for the Wehrmacht. For the SS maybe, but after all, the Germans did win. I seem to recall a certain amount of nervousness about American troops doing urban warfare in Iraq.

In Vino Veritas

I concur. Could any city and surrounding area be less integrated than Detroit?

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 5:54PM EST (link)

.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Misplaced comment, but in terms of Poland

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 5:58PM EST (link)

remember that Poland was fighting the USSR and Germany at the same time.

Its not clear that any country could have survived that.

Despite the 2 on 1 combat, Poland outlasted France.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 

The Jewish neighborhood, as I recall had seven guns between them,

olsmithie (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 5:39PM EST (link)

and made things so hot the German soldiers wouldn’t enter that neighborhood, so the Germans burned it to the ground, rather than enter it.

Impressive resistance. Lots of heart.

Regards

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

He was all too familiar to me.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:33PM EST (link)

I’ve dealt with a zillion of them ever since AFSCME came to Alaska in ’88. They sent a whole crew up from DC and the Lower 48 to organize and negotiate their first agreement with us. It’s actually a good thing we were a couple levels down in those days and had some supervision. After a couple of years and costing them $20MM in trying to get an agreement, if we’d written every word of a contract and they signed it, we’d have found a way to take it back. Finally, Gov. Cowper told us to sheathe the swords and get an agreement with them, but the three years and $20 Million bucks that it took them to get it has a prominent place on my resume. Interestingly, the first time I heard the phrase “lipstick on a pig” was from an AFSCME rep. He didn’t like the State’s offer but knew he had no choice but take it, so he asks me to help him by “putting some lipstick on the pig” so he can tell his members he got something for them.

While I was director, there was a big sign on the wall of my office that said “When Pigs Fly” and above my conference table was a pink, battery powered flying pig that at appropriate moments I’d reach up, turn on, and have him start circling the table.

In Vino Veritas

Just for you Art...

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:43PM EST (link)
 
 
 

oh man "I've actually think"

AKSteveB (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:23PM EST (link)

yeah I talk good English. Clearly I have not had enough caffeine today.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 
 

Of course, the Northeast was transformed by immigration, especially Jews and Catholics,

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 9:01PM EST (link)

who came into their own after WWII.

 
 

Liberal elites would choose military service if the cappucino service were improved. :>) nt

streetwise (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 8:56PM EST (link)

A point of contention.

Steph C (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 3:51PM EST (link)

Southerners cannot be taught to drive on ice and snow, its not in their genetic makeup; but neither can a Northerner be taught to appreciate grits! We are different – it would be nice if people learned to live with it.

Wanna bet? I get the double whammy, hillbilly and southern. Not all of the south is out of the snow areas.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

 
 

Yankees Don't Even Like Each Other

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:39PM EST (link)

I’ve always been facinated by American regionalism and culture. As a life long Yankee, I can assure you there is a tremendous amount of prejudice against the South. I think the historical, regional and partisan divide make it obvious, but prejudice and bigotry exists everyhwere.

Up here, there is the dangerous prejudice of the vile psuedo-intellectual elites and then there is the visceral prejudice of defensive, culture conscience, ethnic and geographic groups. And you can witness it all without ever mentioning the South.

Even here, where nobody has any deep roots.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:54PM EST (link)

Most anybody who lives in the Mendenhall Valley would support a wall between the Valley and Downtown Juneau. In Anchorage, you get the Senate President and the son of a US Senator referring to people who live in Wasila as “Valley Trash,” a characterization I understand even if I have more in common with the Valley Trash than with the Downtown Anchorage elite.

Now as a born and bred Southerner, the resentments there are all about relative economic status. The tenant farmer v. the landowner, the small holder v. the Big Men, and all that. We are a tribal people.

One of the scariest experiences I’ve ever had was in my cousin’s bar in my hometown in Georgia a few years ago. I’ve been gone a long time, but longtime residents remember me. I was drinking with “the boys” and the discussion was about the economy and the unemployment rate. I allowed as how where I lived, if the unemployment rate were that high, there’d be County Commissioners hanging from lamp posts. And then it struck me; if I’d said, “Let’s load boys,” there would have been County Commissioners hanging from lamp posts. We’re bred to our kith and kin and no matter how sophistocated we think we are, blood is thicker than mud.

In Vino Veritas

Relative economic status says it all

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:37PM EST (link)

That will trump skin color, religion, and ethnicity 8 times out of 10.

You are right on the money about tribalism. Middle Eastern tribalism gets knocked all the time, but we need to remove the plank from our eye concerning our version of it. It’s a fact of life & human nature.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

 

people are the worst - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 12:29PM EST (link)

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I love mankind, it's people I can't stand.. C. Brown-nt

olsmithie (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 5:42PM EST (link)
 
 

Of the two, the prejudice that gets me fired up

1SGinTN (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:57PM EST (link)

the most is the “prejudice of the vile psuedo-intellectual elites”. We have the Southern version here as well. It’s part and parcel of class warfare.

Being from North Georgia, I experienced the predjudice associated with my accent from time to time in my military travels early in my career. My German teacher in Heilbronn used to give me the strangest looks when I spoke German. I finally figured out it was because I was speaking German with a Southern accent. Must have hurt her ears.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

great points sig, I agree - nt

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Don't let the media get you down Mike

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 10:47PM EST (link)

they are trying to divide the party. Maryland is below Mason Dixon every time I check. Steele is fresh, something we need. I was for Blackwell then Steele too. And don’t buy this “Steele is the most moderate, crap” it is just whining, Steele is likely the best man for the job at this point, he could not likely do worse than his predecessor.

Molon Labe!

I totally agree Doc - nt

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"Yankees"

olsmithie (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:06PM EST (link)

Some years back sitting in a Sunday School class in Columbia, SC, I used the term “Yankee” in the conversation, (not the lesson!)
I noticed a really sweet couple in the class that moved from Ohio had a bit of a puzzled look on their face.

I looked Nick in the eye and explained. There are some folks that come here from the north, contribute to the neighborhood, blend end and make this a nicer place to live, we call them neighbors.

Then there are those form up north that move here, become major nuisances, always tell us how they did it up north and just generally become a pain in the neck.
Those I call “Yankees.”

The fellow recently of Ohio looked me in the eye intently and said, “You know, I know people like that.”

BTW, if you are a RS’er, I consider you a “neighbor,” no matter where you hail from.

Regards

I use the term yankee soley as a regional reference

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 8:14AM EST (link)

albeit a rather broad “region” to include anyone from up north between Minnesota and Maine.

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"Yankee" is in the eye of the beholder.

Steve Maley (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 10:33AM EST (link)

I once heard a Cajun from Pigeon, LA refer to a cook who was “a Yankee, but he cooks a pretty good gumbo.” Turns out, the Yankee cook was from Mississippi.

Cajuns are also deeply distrustful of those Yankees from Mississippi due to their nasty habit of drinking their coffee so weak that you can see the bottom of the cup.

For some of these folk, Yankee generally describes anyone who live north of Interstate 10.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

LOL! - nt

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Admiral Raphael Semmes is said to have said

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 10:43AM EST (link)

“the Yankees think they must toil to make the World turn.” That meddlesomeness is what is so grating whether it’s the Yankee corporate types coming to Atlanta or the Californicators moving to a rural area it is the constant telling other people what to do and how to live.

And if you don’t know who Adm. Semmes is, you’re probably a Yankee.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

As a transplant from Michigan (suburbs of Detroit)

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Saturday, January 31st at 11:15PM EST (link)

I never tell my fellow North Carolinians “how we did it up North”.

Maybe I’m a little unusual, but I don’t enjoy being the laughingstock.

 

You're Just Now

SunDogII Sunday, February 1st at 10:00AM EST (link)

recognizing this? This has been going on for at least 100 years.

Lot longer than 100 years.

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 1st at 10:14AM EST (link)

It was a favorite sport by the 1840s and 1850s. Some Yankee snob would take a trip to The South and come back to Yankeedom and write his condescending book about his travels. Best known is probably Frederick Law Olmstead’s book. Olmstead was a Noo Yawker, the designer of Central Park as I recall, who somehow missed most of The South in his visit but that didn’t stop him from writing about it. Even Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin was based almost totally on hearsay. It is said that when Lincolm met Harriet Beecher Stowe he said, “so you’re the lady who brought this great war.”

In Vino Veritas

 

You are just now recognizing we recognizing this? Its been 8 days.-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 11:47AM EST (link)

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me not we / But what I am acknowledging is the continuing bigotry of too many up north

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 11:49AM EST (link)

I guess our Southern superiority on this issue was forged by fire.

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One thing I love most about the South is....PECAN PIES!

Cheetah772 (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 1:10PM EST (link)

I love pecan pies. Southerners sure know how to make excellent pecan pies. Mike, since you’re from South, you’ll have to send me some up to Maryland. I know you wouldn’t want to ruin the famous reputation of Southern hospitality, now would you? Just kidding, though….

I am not from South, but I’ve visited Southern states, and one thing I notice the most is they’re FAR MORE friendly than most up north. And TONS of Bibles, too! As a born-again Christian, I like that. But not humidity! ;)

But I do agree with you that there exists some form of bigotry toward South in general. It also exists here in Maryland. Some people here usually refer in scorn to South as Jesusland, and that can get tiresome, to say at least. I recall a story where a person rushed to ask a fellow Southerner on what he thought of Al Gore picking Joe Libermann as his VP, and Joe is Jewish. That kind of question implied that this fellow Southerner is a racist if he thought Al Gore did wrong in picking Libermann as his VP. You can guess what happened after that….

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Love pecan pies too.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 1:25PM EST (link)

I love your comments, sis.

The NEW RACISM is NOW against the White Christian Southerners.

MSM is the Number 1 Racist.

exactly rp - nt

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But we can't agree how to pronounce "pecan"

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 6:38PM EST (link)

On my farm in Virginia, we have Pee-Kan trees in the front yard. In Houston, the best “Pe-CON” pie in town is made by Goode’s Barbeque (and yes, they ship! in a wooden crate!).

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My grandparents in SC had three PEE-KAN trees

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 7:37PM EST (link)

and one was paper-shells!

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My grandparents in SC had three PEE-KAN trees

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 7:37PM EST (link)

and one was paper-shells!

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I always thought pe - kahn was the Yankee way

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 8:28PM EST (link)

to say pee – can. Used to make some good spending money picking pee-cans just in time for the Fair in the Fall.

In Vino Veritas

I thought so too

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 8:51PM EST (link)

Pe-Kahn sounds high-fallutin’. I used to earn Christmas money as a kid by shelling pecans and selling one-pound bags of the halves to all the pie-bakin’ and fruit-cake-makin’ ladies!

After I moved to Texas, my dad was so worried about my inability to get “real food”, he’d ship me a crate of unshelled pecans from the farm, along with a Smithfield ham.

I still say Pee-Kan, and everyone else can get over it :)

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PEE-CAN is of course, correct! But their are some high falutin'

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 9:37PM EST (link)

yankee wannabes that say pu-con to be contrarian elitists!

smile

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PEE-CAN is of course, correct! But their are some high falutin'

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 9:37PM EST (link)

yankee wannabes that say pu-con to be contrarian elitists!

smile

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Political realities and the south

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 8:21PM EST (link)

First of all, there is the south and there is the deep south. The deep south, mississippi, ala, la, ark, and parts of georgia as well as the florida pan-handle still have significant racial issues.

The south in general to include kentucky tenn, virginia, and the carolina’s and most of florida is a very different place.

I currently live in Mississippi and am very shocked by the cultural value that individuals and groups put on “being southern”. They do not consider anyone outside of the regions identify in my characterization of the deep south to be southern. In fact, I have had many discussions with people from mobile who say that parts of northern ala are not the south. I mean, what the hell is wrong that people feel the need to reject others as outsiders at such a high level. I try to reminded them that “you really can not afford to subdivided”. “Pretty soon, there will only be one of yall left”.

The political reality is that the rest of the country is “smarting” from what it perceives as a religious movement, that originated in the deep south, and is taking the blame for some current poli-dynamics. I’m not going to argue the merits of this. I’m not contending the deep south is a bad place. I have met many warm people who embraced me even thou I was an outsider. Even thou I was more of an economic conservative and not a social conservative. Unfortunately, the haters are a lot louder.

My friends complain about the “way the rest of the world views us” and I try to urge them to speak up and drowned out the haters. The problem is that speaking loudly has a negative cultural connotation. They tend to tolerate the haters and enact quiet social sanctions on them instead of confronting them. I have mixed feelings about this because I am an outsider. I want the rest of the world to see the kindness of my friends. I want them to see those southerners too. But, asking them to change their cultural values is probably not my place as an outsider. Although I advocate it, I still respect their eye-rolling / smiling responses, “oh, well I’ll be, we just haven’t thought of handling it that way”. “Some might find that ugly”. Interpretation-fuck you yankee (in the nicest way possible).

Point being, whatever peeps can do to show the world my friends and not the haters would help with the national perception. My friends, and others like them, maybe a slight majority, are not going to stand up and announce-look and me.

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

Yes, the deep south has "issues" as do ALL regions, but it appears that

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 12:26PM EST (link)

the bigotry and ignorance issues up north are exponentially greater.

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Very true. I had a lot of negative attitudes

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 3:21PM EST (link)

about the south before moving to the south. Each group has so very different ways of seeing the world. The civil war is still and issue because their education systems and northern educations systems teach the history and series of events in very different ways.

I had never heard the term, “war of aggression” to refer to the civil war before. Nor had I been called a yank!

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

Well, it was neither the war of northern aggression or a civil war

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 6:49PM EST (link)

We started it at Fort Sumter and we were not seeking control of the central government

so the only correct name is

the war between the states

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I don't consider myself southern

jarrod21 Tuesday, February 3rd at 2:20AM EST (link)

I’m Texan.

Everything north of the Red River is Canada, everything east of the Sabine talks funny, everything south of the Rio Grande is dirty, and our natural western border was lopped off and turned into New Mexico, but we don’t like to talk about it. Just kidding…kinda.

To paraphrase a funny article on Cracked I read recently, we’re the closest thing this country will ever have to vikings, and that counts the actual Vikings who play in Minnesota, also known as somewhere up in the middle of Canada….and I hear their best player is a Texan anyhow. =p

Anyhow, we’re made fun of more, and treated worse than anybody in the entire country no matter where we go, be it foreign or domestic. The worst people think about people from the deep south is that they are stupid and racist. They think that about us too, but add on a whole lot of extra stuff as well.

Listening to other people, it’s difficult for me to even consider myself an American at times because they darn sure don’t consider us American. It’s difficult to eat at the same table with people who hate you. I’m pro-USA because Texas is part of it, but much like the Québécois in Canada and the Bayern in Germany…you don’t really feel at home or even welcome at times in your own country when you leave your own territory. We don’t let that stop us from doing whatever we danged-well please (we are us, after all), but we do notice.

Jarrod, I understand, but since y'all joined the rebellion

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 12:24PM EST (link)

you are a very unique brand of Southerner. The CSA never lost a battle that Texas regiments participated in.

But I hear you, and man, I have won jury trials in Worcester, Mass; Los Angeles and Minneapolis. But it took them 36 hours to understand what i was saying!

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I know the pain

CarlSchurz (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 12:45PM EST (link)

East Tennessee was settled by the Overmountain Men who fought the British at Kings’ Mountain andl later at New Orleans. When Tennessee seceeded from the Union the Confederates had to send troops to quell an attempt by East Tennessee to seceed from Tennessee and remain with the Union like West Virginia did. 35000 East Tennessee men fought for the North in units like the Tennessee Volunteer Cavalry.

But no matter; you are Southerner therefore your bedsheets must have eyeholes, and we never copulate standing because it might lead to dancing. We all have a ‘shine still in the backyard and our family trees don’t have branches. All of this must be the reason we are not enlightened Democrats and Republicans living in ignorance.

I figure I know how Herman the Cheruscan felt, being a Barbarian in the Roman Empire and can understand why he lead the German tribes to slaughter three Roman Legions at the Teutobergerwald.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

"Southern family trees don’t have branches."

olsmithie (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 5:48PM EST (link)

Are you implying that we go to family reunions to pick up chicks?

That is offensive.

Also, who told??!

Regards

 
 

During the Pipeline, a favorite bumper sticker here was:

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 12:50PM EST (link)

Happiness is a Texan headed South with an Okie under each arm. The old Pines Club was the foremost Country Music bar in Anchorage in those days and if the band broke into The Eyes of Texas or Yellow Rose and you weren’t on your feet with your hat over your heart and a tear in your eye in the first bar, you’d have to fight your way out.

In Vino Veritas

 

Mississippi and Ark are the but of all jokes

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. (Diary) Tuesday, February 3rd at 3:33PM EST (link)

In the region I live in now, Texans get lots of respect. More than any other place outside the south. In fact, I think deep southerners are little jealous of the bad-ass image. Mississippi boys are considered bad-asses, but in a more stupid way. According to my friends anyway. So interesting to hear all these things because the mid-west is not like this at all.

We really don’t have strong ideas about what it means to be an from a state. We don’t really have strong ideas about the pride associated with location. I remember visiting my extended family as a child in Virgina and they expressed much the same pride. We are Kinchloe’s, they said. You are a Kinchloe and don’t ever forget it. I was like, uh, thats not my last name.

Then they would tease my dad for not explaining the family history. I remember thinking how strange it was that they were trying to get me to memorize that stuff, but I kind of get it now. Couple of things have gotten me out of some sticky situations. I guess having a direct line to a Mosby’s Raider is akin to a “get outa ass-kickin for free card”.

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

Native Virginians have incredibly deep roots; Texas welcomes everyone

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 6:32PM EST (link)

I worked with a guy who said to me, ‘I’ve lived here in Richmond for 25 years; I graduated from high school here and went to UVA. At what point am I a Virginian?”

The answer, of course, was never. He was born in PA. He could have lived in Virginia until he died and tattooed “Sic Semper Tyrannis” on his forehead; it wouldn’t have mattered.

In Texas, however, you get to be Texan the day you arrive, if you cop the ‘tude. Texas is incredibly embracing of all who want to be here. As the bumper sticker says, “I wasn’t born here, but I got here as quick as I could!”.

Think about poor Davy Crockett — thought of by many as a Texan. The man spent virtually his entire life in Tennessee. On Halloween of 1835, he headed for Texas, being ticked off at not having been reelected to Congress. “You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas,” he said.

He wandered across the border early in 1836. He arrived at The Alamo on February 8, having camped nearby for a few days. The men inside were happy to see him; he knew a few of them from Tennessee and Virginia and Washington DC.

On February 23, an Army showed up, to the surprise of everyone at The Alamo, led by Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Crockett and the other defenders were all dead by the time the smoke cleared on March 6.

So Crockett qualifies as Texan and Texas Patriot and Defender of the Alamo.

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You know you're a Redneck when...

furious (Diary) Wednesday, February 4th at 9:03PM EST (link)

…your mother, without taking the Marlboro from her mouth, tells the State Trooper who pulled her over to kiss her *ss.

Pittsburgh PA and Los Angeles CA are the two most racist places I’ve ever been. And that’s counting Atlanta, Shreveport, Memphis, and Dallas.

–furious

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader