Merely allowing Bush tax cuts to expire is cause for joy?


Not based on history, especially including the past 24 months.

Originally published by Mike “gamecock” DeVine as Legal Editor for The Minority Report

One of the factors restraining investors since 2006 and even before the Fannie Mae housing/credit crunch bubble burst, has been their knowledge that income from any investments would be subject to higher tax rates after 2010.

Hear the breathless, panting Drive-By media:

Obama is said to be reconsidering one key campaign pledge – his proposal to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Several people familiar with the discussions told The New York Times that he instead might let those tax cuts expire as scheduled in 2011, effectively delaying any tax increase while he gives his stimulus plan a chance to work.

So we are supposed to jump up and down that the same Democrat policy that helped gring the economy to a halt since they took power in 2007 will continue?


Filibuster threats from the Senate Democratic Party minority prior to their return to the majority in 2006 blocked GOP attempts to making the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax rate cuts permanent. Those are the tax cuts that prevented a recession after 911 and which fueled economic growth from 2002-2006 that exceed GDP averages of the 70s, 80s and 90s.

What is it about economic growth that Democrats don’t like?

One of the other main factors that has caused investors to go on strike over the course of the permanent Obama campaign has been the prospect that he or another tax raising Democrat would win, coupled with the prospect that Obama would accelerate the tax hike.

Yet, we are supposed to swoon at his feet if he merely doesn’t accelerate? McClatchy’s James Rosen catches his breath enough to report:

Some Republicans might be won over [to the Keynesian stimulus package] should Obama decide not to repeal the Bush tax cuts for those making more than $250,000. By letting the cuts expire after 2010, as the law provides, Obama would in effect delay the tax increase that high-income taxpayers would have faced in the next year or two under his original plan.

That could have both economic and political benefits. Obama would not be open to the charge from Republicans and other critics that he is raising taxes in a recession, which many believe is counterproductive.

The press is treating the prospect that Obama would not raise taxes sooner as action, while unwittingly conceding the obvious fact that tax hikes hurt the economy.

Let’s take this one step further. What America needs are tax rate cuts, especially on capital and corporations. The whole Paulson bailout plan was made necessary due to a lack of capital available for loans. And America’s corporate tax rate is one of the highest in the world.

Moreover, while I have no objection to a stimulus bill in theory, the fact is that government spending of that kind doesn’t change investor behavior like supply side tax cuts, unless it is on a war-like scale, and even then it usually is accompanied by inflation and can’t be sustained for long wars.

The evidence is in. Witness GDP from 1929-1940 vs. the early 60s and 1983-2006.

Too bad most Democrats and the press know so much that isn’t so, like:

By letting the tax cuts expire, Obama would get the benefit of higher revenues in 2011 and beyond to help finance his promised health care plans without having to propose raising taxes on the affluent, and without the Democratic majorities in Congress having to take a vote on a tax increase.

Such ignorance. Lower tax rates increased tax revenues following JFK (pictured rocking above just before delivering tax cut speech) , Reagan and Bush 43′s tax rate cuts. The whole news article reeks of political maneuvering, as opposed to sober economic analysis.

The GOP needs to hammer these facts home. They must not accept scraps from the President-Elect’s tax table. Demand the main course. Obama professes to admire JFK and Reagan.

Let’s remind him why he should and demand tax cuts now, rather than being content to settle for delays in tax hikes. Let’s put him in a rocker like JFK’s if we have to.

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Tax Cuts

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 8:50AM EST (link)

I’ve been wondering how many of Obamas supporters will be very angry at not getting their tax cuts, or welfare checks for those that don’t pay taxes. I thought his tax increases on the wealthy was what was to pay for those tax cuts, or welfare checks.

So now we have no promised tax cuts, no Cap and Trade, most likely not ending the Iraq War immediately and no “change” because it’s a third Clinton term. It gives me hope that the GOP will be able to welcome some very pissed off Obama voters.

 

Obama doesn't care about sound economics

CFPeterson (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 8:51AM EST (link)

Remember the Charlie Gibson interview last April?

GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.

So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?

OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=3

I sure hope he listens to his economic advisors, people that actually were awake during Econ class. In Barack’s mind: to hell with Govt income, taxes are a punishment.

 

Keynesian economics are a path to totalitarian govt...

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 10:22AM EST (link)

Since the beginning of the progressive era in America we have been on a long march to totalitarianism. The man leading this march is Keynes with his economic theories. If we ever are to return to a truly free society envisioned by our founders we must reject Keynesian economics in full.

Now this is not a rejection of common sense regulation but rather a rejection of reactionary intervention. China is producing products at a lower cost and selling them back to us. They do this by not regulating at all while we have regulated ourselves out of the market. America needs to find a balance or we will not be capable of competing in the long run.

My suggestions would be a flat income tax somewhere in the range of 10% – 12%, a 15% cap gains and a 20% corp tax, repeal of many of the accounting standards.

Oh and Recommend!!

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

Why do Conservatives insist

Aptote Tuesday, November 25th at 11:44AM EST (link)

on bailing out the democrats, Obama ran on set of governing principles. He won, let him govern, allow the American people learn what Marxism is, then maybe they will quite flerting with it. Insist that Obama do what he said he wants to, stop trying to save him from himself. Politically hammer him on his dishonesty, hold his feet to the fire, destroy him. The Congress should then just vote no, filibuster in the Senate if possible, press conference every day decrying the deceit and do noting democrates. Make the Democrates own their actions. Frustrated, mind rambling to fast to make a coherent thought, got to go calm down.

agreed, I just don't want the GOP to miss another opportunity

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 1:58PM EST (link)

It is not good that he is merely going to let the Bush tax cuts expire. We need tax cuts, not delayed tax hikes and republicans should drive that point home. Regularly scheduled tax hikes are not good news simply because Obama promised earlier hikes in a campaign. The prospect of the present tax hikes are preventing investment.

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yes, a balance, and I think eliminating onerous enviro and other regs

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 2:16PM EST (link)

and of course moratoriums on oil drilling is even more important that tax cuts.

thanks guy
we agree as usual

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The GOP should insist that Obama do what he said?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 5:22PM EST (link)

That would make us leftists.

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When he said correct things we should hold him to them

David123 (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 5:51PM EST (link)

Obama said that he recognized the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. We need to hold him to that – no gun confiscation, registration, or banning. Anyone who has the right to vote should have the right to own a gun.

Tax cut for 95% of Americans – hold him to that. BTW, over 5% of Americans own guns, so no tax increases on guns and/or ammunition.

Iran can’t be allowed to build nuclear weapons. Absolutely correct Mr. President-elect. Do whatever it takes to stop them.

David123

with those caveats, amen - but that is not what

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 7:25PM EST (link)

apote was suggesting. He was suggesting that we aid and abet a disaster by holding him to his spread the wealth socialism.

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Let the tax cuts expire in 2010?

SeriousLaff (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 2:15AM EST (link)

It generally takes a year to 18 months for the true effect of an economic policy to be felt . This means there may be a recession during his reelection. A recession he couldn’t blame on Bush.

Yep, we have been living with the consequences of the dems refusal to RENEW and MAKE PERMANENT the tax cuts

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 8:23AM EST (link)

for two years already. Investors have been on strike since 2006 and will stay there.

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Yes they will

Wayne (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 10:24AM EST (link)

and, remembering the Obamunist’s presser the other day, who joined in the “concensus” that another stimulus package, more robust than the previous one, was needed? I don’t recall hearing anyone, other than BO and “his” staff call for this second, more expensive stimulus package.

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

We need a supply side stimulus that let's loose Americans

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 10:37AM EST (link)

to bail themselves out.

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Bush Tax Cuts Don't Go Far Enough

FairTaxAdvocate (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 1:36PM EST (link)

What America needs are tax rate cuts, especially on capital and corporations.

Why is everyone quibbling about the tax rates? Isn’t the Internal Revenue Code a huge disaster that has been weighing down our economy for decades?

Enough already!

The Fair Tax Act (HR-25) eliminates the capital gains tax and taxes on the savings that provide the investment capital.

And it eliminates the corporate income tax, which anyone with any sense knows is not paid by corporations, but by consumers in higher prices, employees in lower wages, or investors in lower gains.

At almost every turn, the advantages of the Fair Tax over the Internal Revenue Code become increasingly clearer in almost all sectors of the economy. (The only ones who pay more under the Fair Tax are those who are avoiding taxes under the current loop-hole filled regime.)

Are you going to spam this nonsense on EVERY diary? -nt-

NightTwister (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 1:41PM EST (link)

-nt-

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Ehh, he's only posting it where it's on topic

Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 1:57PM EST (link)

Whether he’s helping or hurting his cause, or whether he’s persuading anyone or just making FairTaxers look like cultists, isn’t for a site admin to decide, though.

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One man's "loop hole" is another man's money in his own pocket (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 2:00PM EST (link)

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I wasn't really looking for a moderator to intervene.

NightTwister (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 2:16PM EST (link)

While his posts so far have been on topic, I see a pattern developing.

When someone’s comments consistently turn into a commercial the poster’s motivation begins to become obvious.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

His username made that clear though (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 2:29PM EST (link)

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LOL Neil, good one - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, November 28th at 4:41PM EST (link)

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