More bad advice from Colin Powell


Left Saddam in power; undermined Iraq War and now prefers an appeaser as Commander in Chief

Colin Powell advises America to elect Barack Obama as President and Commander in Cheif.

Other advice he has given:

Powell advised Bush 41 not to destroy Saddam’s army near the end of the Kuwait War in 1991. Saddam waged war against us for the next ten years and defied us after 911.

In 2003, after getting a U.N. resolution before the Iraq War that called for “serious consequences”(universally understood as promising military force), Powell, nevertheless insisted that Bush 43 seek another, redundant U.N. resolution that gave Saddam month’s to plan an insurgent war. Thousands of Americans paid with their lives.

This is the same Powell that abandoned President Clinton re Somalia in 1993, when Clinton entered office in the midst of an ongoing operation and, despite a request by the President to stay on thru the crisis.

Now, Colin Powell’s story of heroism as a soldier; personal story of achievement and message of conservative America values amidst derision as an Uncle Tom from the liberal Democrat Civil Rights crowd; and service under President Ronald were exemplary.

He was great at following orders in Vietnam; President Reagan’s orders as National Security Advisor and President George H.W. Bush’s orders during the first part of the 1991 Gulf War.

But when President Bush asked for his advice as Saddam Hussein’s army was fleeing a liberated Kuwait, he lost his way. At that moment, he rose above his pay grade and failed President Bush 41 and America.

Today, we are told, he is poised to endorse a man who considers making a decision on when a baby is entitled to human rights is above his pay grade.


Of course, lawyer Obama has decided, by his actions, that a baby has no right to life while in the womb and no right to life-saving treatment outside the womb if it survives attempted murder at the hands of an abortionist. Millions have perished due this notion thanks to Obama’s ideological lawyer allies that wear robes.

Powell’s decision to let Saddam remain in power in 1991 caused hundreds of thousands of adults and children to lose their lives and was a major rationale for Osama bin Laden’s conclusion that America did not have the stomach to win wars that require more than the 13-week period given TV pilots or that require more than 150 patriots sacrifice their lives.

In fact, his famous “Powell Doctrine” that states we should not go to war unless we can win quick with overwhelming force actually invites aggression that can’t be defeated Powell’s way.

As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs he had famously vowed, when asked about his military strategy against the Iraqi army in the Persian Gulf War of 1991:”First we’re going to cut it off, then we’re going to kill it.”

He failed to do so.

In 1991, when Saddam Hussein’s army was fleeing Kuwait, Colin Powell advised his Commander in Chief to let Saddam survive.

Fast forward to the bushlied era in September of 2006, former Secretary of State Powell wrote that “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism.”

In response, I wrote that the Conservative World Beginning to Doubt Moral Basis of Colin Powell’s Acts and Omissions. An excerpt:

Colin Powell, in a rare departure from Armitage-aided anonymous leaks to the press attacking his Commander-in-Chief, released a public letter he sent to John McCain opposing President Bush’s request that Congress clarify the meaning of vague language in Common Article III, as pertains to prisoners of war, and, as recently ordered by a brain dead Supreme Court, to illegal terrorist enemy combatants as well, prohibiting “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.”

The letter reads in part: “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” Powell observed. “To redefine common article 3 [of the Geneva convention] would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.”

We are not “re-defining” the treaty. The treaty does not define “outrages”, “humiliating”, or “degrading.” Powell would allow anti-American World Court judges to define those terms to imprison American interrogators of Khalid Sheik Mohammad who extracted information that saved thousands of lives.

If an American criminal statute contained such language, the law would be thrown out for vagueness. One must be fairly put on notice concerning prohibited conduct for which one may be lose their liberty.

Powell’s policy would leave our military, CIA and innocent civilian lives at risk and have allowed Al Qaeda to have carried out many more terrorist acts inside the United States.

The public letter from Powell comes on the heels of years of silence despite his having information that could have prevented Scooter Libby from being indicted.

What happened to Colin Powell?

Any world that doubts the moral basis of our fight against terrorism has much larger problems that can be addressed by leaving in place litigation inviting vague language in a treaty.

Any student of the history of war teaches that you don’t strike the King unless you intend to kill him. Didn’t he learn anything from our own failures in Korea and especially the Vietnam War that he fought in and which Obama’s ideological allies lost via liberal democrats in the 1975 Congress?

Any man, whether its Louis Farrakhan or Colin Powell, that could endorse Barack Obama for President over John McCain, has lost their moral compass and good judgment. In Farrakhan’s case, he never had it. In Powell’s case, it appears he lost his after The Gipper left Washington.

His behavior in his last days in office and weeks and months after leaving the State Department, were despicable betrayals of the public trust with his leaks and defeatist rhetoric.

Let’s make sure we win one more for The Gipper. Reject Powell’s latest bad advice and elect John McCain, a man who learned the lessons of Vietnam.

[update]

See also Christopher Hitchens’ Bill of Particulars against Powell from 2000 which paint a picture of a politically expediant career not contradicted by his actions after 2000:

In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians.

As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation — but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a “Greater Serbia.”

Read it all.

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Powell is just like bill richardson

BatMasterson (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 9:12AM EST (link)

he is a fair weathered friend

 

Addressing the betrayal of the public trust...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 9:21AM EST (link)

From an earlier comment regarding Sec. Powell’s endorsement of Sen. Obama.

(I apologize to our community in advance for reposting it here.)

Would you accept an endorsement from this man?

A brief look at Colin Powell’s Character, Honesty and Judgment.

Plamegate revisited…

Mr. Armitage never did tell the White House or his boss, the President, that he was the leaker. Instead, in October 2003 he told Mr. Powell, who told the State Department general counsel, who in turn told the Justice Department but gave the White House Counsel only the sketchiest overview of what he’d learned and didn’t mention Mr. Armitage’s name. So while Mr. Fitzgerald presumably knew when he began his probe two months later that Mr. Armitage was Mr. Novak’s source, the President himself was apparently kept in the dark, even as he was pledging publicly to find out who the leaker was.

At a minimum, there appears to be a serious question of disloyalty here. By keeping silent, Messrs. Powell and Armitage let the President take political heat for the case, while also letting Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby and other White House officials twist in the wind for more than two years. We also know that it was the folks in Mr. Powell’s shop–including his former chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson and intelligence officer Carl Ford Jr.–who did so much to trash John Bolton’s nomination to be Ambassador to the U.N. in 2005. The State Department clique that Mr. Bush tolerated for so long did tremendous damage to his Administration.

As for Justice, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself from the case in an act of political abdication. That left then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey in charge, and he also presumably knew about Mr. Armitage’s role as the leaker who started it all. Yet if the book’s account is correct, he too misled the White House with his silence. Mr. Comey is also the official who let Mr. Fitzgerald alter his mandate from its initial find-the-leaker charge to the obstruction and perjury raps against Mr. Libby that are all this case has come down to. Remind us never to get in a foxhole with either Mr. Comey or the Powell crowd.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

Is the 1991 reference fair?

bk (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 9:36AM EST (link)

As I recall, Bush’s stated goal was to get Saddam out of Kuwait, which he did. Perhaps he thought it would leave him weakened enough that the Iraqi people would finish him off, or perhaps we didn’t follow through with enough covert aid later, or who knows what. But it seemed like Bush accomplished his stated goal and then stopped, which is at it should be IMHO.

This business of Bush “not getting the job done in 1991″ seemed to come mostly from Democrats in 2003 griping that Dubya was trying to invade Iraq only because his daddy failed to get the job done when he had the chance or such tripe. These were the same sorts who’d have been screaming bloody murder had we stormed Baghdad in 1991.

So while there may be plenty of things to say bad regarding Powell, I don’t think this is one of them.

 

Powell used his endorsement on MTP to bash Sarah Palin

pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:10AM EST (link)

The one common thread that I have seen among the “Potomac Man” tribe of insiders is that Sarah Palin is not one of us, and she must be destroyed. I don’t think I am the only person out there seeing this.


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I have a Letter of Commendation from BG Colin Powell

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:22AM EST (link)

I was very proud of that letter for a long time. It was personally signed and the General presented it to me with kind words after I was Selected as the honor graduate of my Basic Non-Commission Officer Course.

It’s framed on my wall.

Tommorrow it will be in an envelope back to the good general with my thoughts on his endoursement.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

I meant: tomorrow and endorsement,

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:25AM EST (link)

It’s early. Give me a break.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 
 

If I say it doesn't matter will I get pummeled?

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:29AM EST (link)

Powell is a politician’s politician, always drawn to power, and he thinks Obama has the most. I halfway hoped he wouldn’t endorse at all, that perhaps Obama was too far to the left in spite of the perceived power, but this doesn’t surprise me.

That’s why the endorsement doesn’t matter all that much. The people in the beltway will know this about Powell and the people outside… for the most part… could care less because, to them, he’s just another beltway elite.

In addition, if he was on McCain’s short list, this could even look like a case of sour grapes… inside the beltway.

The media will make much ado about it but, since people don’t really pay attention to the media anymore, it’s not going to cause any big rush to Obama, not even from the military.

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It was George H. W. Bush's decision to let Saddam Hussein remain in power in 1991

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:32AM EST (link)

And it was probably the correct decision. The goal was to get Saddam out of Kuwait, which was accomplished. Moreover, it was thought (correctly, in my opinion) that Saddam Hussein’s secularist Sunni government was a natural counterbalance to the Shi’ite extremist in Iraq as well as Shi’ite extremists elsewhere in the Middle East, especially in the Shi’ite government in Iran.

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Triumvirate approaching...

CaralfromSoCal Sunday, October 19th at 10:48AM EST (link)

“Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” The Romans lost the strength of their system when they ceded power to a “Triumvirate” – three leaders, whom the Senate and House had no authority over. If we elect Barack Obama as president of these United States, he will join Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid as a kind of new Triumvirate – three like-minded leaders unrestrained by any checks or balances. I cannot believe this is what the American people want. This SINGLE ISSUE alone is plenty of reason to elect John McCain as president. What is Colin Powell thinking?

 

Colin Powell?

LisaDe (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 11:05AM EST (link)

Powell’s endorsement, although probable to remain in the biased media for quite some time, is, in fact, one vote.

As of statistics from 2002, (I imagine to be greater today)please bear in mind the following:

Amount of people in our Armed Forces:
26 million Americans living today have served in the military. 24 million of which are men, 12 million are over age 60. Also, on our soil:
Army- 466,000
Navy – 319,000
Air Force – 290,000
Marine Corps – 137,000

I will take the odds that the majority of the above will vote for the POW and I will happily relinquish the one vote coming from Powell. I am probably not alone in saying that the endorsement from any of the above is much more satisfying and important that Mr. Colin Powell. I was depressed for days before the endorsement, but not any more.

 

This strikes me as tacky

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 12:27PM EST (link)

and as uncalled for, if not as widely seen, as the General Betrayus ad by Move On.

55555

Susannah (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 12:45PM EST (link)

The Richardson endorsement did absolutely nothing for Obama (he lost PA, IN, WV, KY, PR, and SD after Richardson endorsed him), and I don’t think that the Powell endorsement will do much for Obama either. People hate backstabbers. Not to mention, it’s pretty obvious that Obama used the Powell endorsement to change the subject from “Joe the Plumber”–which is a bad subject for Obama.

yes, Powell betrayed his Commander in Chief, period! no questions are raised. Answers are found!-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:33PM EST (link)

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In war, winning means the invader is deposed and there was nothing in the UN resolution to prevent same

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:35PM EST (link)

They could have destroyed the fleeing army. There was also nothing in the resolution to specifically authorize a ceasefire and 10 years of monitoring.

No, Powell’s mandate was to kill Saddam’s army, which MEANS he would lose his power. Powell specifically refused to destroy his army.

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I met Powell in Atlanta soo after 911 and admired him then. He has betrayed our trust once too often now. - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:37PM EST (link)

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Bush followed Powell's bad advice after Powell failed and refused

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:39PM EST (link)

to do what he promised to do: destroy Saddam’s army. It was the wrong decision.

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not by me - I agree - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:40PM EST (link)

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please explain how it is "tacky", I admit no one called

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:41PM EST (link)

for it.

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and how dare you compare Obama to a true patriot like Gen Petraeus.

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:42PM EST (link)

that was un-called for

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That wasn't the choice

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:44PM EST (link)

game

That wasn’t the choice at hand at the end of Gulf War I.

The choice was to go into Baghdad and overthrow the regime or not. The term of art was “You break it, you own it”.

The “Collation of the Willing” was not willing to break it, to go into Iraq proper and overthrow the regime. Bush Sr. understood world leaders better than just about any other President to date. He knew how fragile his collation was and decided to not keep going.

While it might be a convenient statement at this time to blame this decision on Powell, it lacks an understanding of the realities of world politics and the understanding of same by the Bush the elder who made the decision as a well informed President.

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Exactly gamecock....hey tamblin don't ever use Obama....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 1:46PM EST (link)

and General Petraeus in the same breath on this site….take wherever you truly troll!

You break it you own it wasn't spoken then and there were many CHOICES, no "the" choice - I was alive then SteveLA

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:00PM EST (link)

And the choices were many, including whether to destroy Saddam’s fleeing army. The lessons of history argue against incremental half measure war and even Powell’s own doctrine. It is not victory to leave an invader in power.

We let Syria decide at Powell’s insistence, our national policy. We let Syria decide the aftermath of a war that over 100 Americans died for.

Understanding foreign leaders? Part of getting Saddam out of Syria is making sure he can’t go back.

UBL understood the lesson of that failure and was emboldened thereby.

He didn’t attck Syria.

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Highway of Death ?

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:13PM EST (link)

game

Ever heard of the “Highway of Death”?

Saddam’s army was destroyed on highway 80 between Abdali (Kuwait) and Safwan (Iraq) and for the most part left the invading Iraqi Army combat ineffective and on the run.

The choice if you want to call it that, was to continue on into Baghdad and take the regime out or not, the Iraqi army was not in a condition to continue to fight.

President Bush on the advice of Powell and others chose not to go into Iraq. That much is history, the other is part of Powell bashing going on for years.

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Three things on Gulf War I

Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:23PM EST (link)
  • The directive from the worthless U.N. was to remove Iraq from Kuwait – nothing more. We went in to enforce the resolution, and because of that were not able to continue on as we should have.

  • Schwarzkoff’s (sp?) inexplicable decision to allow Iraqi air flights (mainly helicopters) after the action was over was the determining factor in Saddam’s ability to crush the Shiite rebellion that America was hoping for, but abandoned.

  • Powell’s advice to Bush was to cease action on the “highway of death” because America was down to basically bulldozing dirt over defenseless Iraqi soldiers, and he felt it would “not look very good”.

Endoursement???

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:29PM EST (link)

Actually Vegas, I think you’ve coined a new and very appropriate word.

“Dour”
ADJECTIVE:
1. Marked by sternness or harshness; forbidding: a dour, self-sacrificing life.
2. Silently ill-humored; gloomy: the proverbially dour New England Puritan.
3. Sternly obstinate; unyielding: a dour determination.

I find Powell’s endorsement of BO to be very dour indeed. It is quite harsh, ignoring all factual reality. It is certainly gloomy and ill-humored, as it is willing to turn over command to a man who is totally unqualified and completely dishonest and without even a hint of ethics. And quite obstinate as he is willing to make that endorsement without regard to anything but a warped sense of personal gratification.

Good new word.

This one was a Bush directive, not on Powell's head.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:34PM EST (link)

The only quibble I’ve got with Powell with regard to Desert Storm is that he allowed the Generals to sign the cease fire. He should have required Saddam to show up and sign it personally, and to broadcast a statement of surrender and accession to the terms of the agreement.

As far as not going to Baghdad or destroying the Iraqi army, that was a Bushism. Face it, Bushes do not have the will to win built in. I’m looking forward to the inauguration.

Your title.

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:35PM EST (link)

its tacky and uncalled for to claim a betrayal of America due to political differences.

Hey Jaded,

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:36PM EST (link)

What are you talking about? Obama’s name isn’t in my comment.

I compared the slandering of Petraeus to this slandering of Powell.

It's on....I am on you like glue...bring it!

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:42PM EST (link)

Tamblin the touble maker....You are done...i will not rest until your gone!

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:44PM EST (link)

you brought this on yourself fool

I was alive at the time, so of course I "heard" of it - condescension not appreciated and you contradicted yourself already

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:44PM EST (link)

try again

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Tamblin?...you better leave or use the Contact button...You are my prey

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:47PM EST (link)

Well, Spcialist,

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:47PM EST (link)

you know you could just hit the contact form, instead of following me around making threats.

Just sayin…

All RIGHT. This is not the last five minutes of a Frankenstein movie.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:48PM EST (link)

Everybody douse the torches and put down the pitchforks.

OK, just tell us when to pick them up

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:49PM EST (link)

n/t

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

NO tamblin you did not use Obama I am watching football and typing HOWEVER

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:53PM EST (link)

to say that this diary is anything akin to an active General leading our BELOVED troops in harms way who is coming to Washington to give an update on how our BELOVED men and women are doing in the SURGE that John McCain supported and Barack Obama voted against FUNDING is digusting….General Petraeus has allowed our BELOVED MILITARY to come home in VICTORY and Powell throws support who would have brought them home in defeat.

Powell is a retired General making a political calculation based on NOTHING he has stood for militarily before Obama decided to run…except they are of the like color….NOTHING Foreign, NOTHING but disparaging our BELOVED troops for “air raiding villages and killing civilians” AND you want to call out the diariest for for doing something like the Betrayus AD….YOU are FULL OF CRAP and BECLOWN yourself…..the two are as far apart as your normal haunt of KOS and RESTATE!

Let's do the village...,,

Putter (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:55PM EST (link)

the whole &^% village..

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…

How is Powell slandered? Be specific and be quick. The clock is ticking...

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:55PM EST (link)

tick tock

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That should be "REDSTATE"

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:57PM EST (link)

LOL...(opppps sorry)

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:59PM EST (link)

But...Bush 41 did win Desert Storm.

Staunch_Libertarian (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 2:59PM EST (link)

I’d argue that Bush 43 won Iraq he just didn’t know it and decided to stick around past the public’s patience.

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The coalition would've collapsed upon invasion of Iraq proper.

Staunch_Libertarian (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:01PM EST (link)

I remember Dick Cheney saying we should not have gone into Iraq in 91 along with every major general of the time. You can’t hang it on Powell.

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how so? be specific please - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:02PM EST (link)

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I'll have to watch that later - also heard

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:06PM EST (link)

he fears more conservative judges

this man is off the deep end

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Powell ADVISED BUSH to do what he did so its on his head TOO-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:08PM EST (link)

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Bush also is resposible WITH POWELL for the irrelevantism you mention re the signing

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:09PM EST (link)

Powell advised Bush to let Saddam remain in power. Bush took the advice to essentially not win the war.

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5 and....lol

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:10PM EST (link)

i love new words!

Didn't Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld advise the same?

Staunch_Libertarian (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:11PM EST (link)

I know Dick Cheney defended the Bush decision to not invade Iraq in 91 and I would assume he advised the same as Powell.

I don’t think it is fair to say they betrayed the nation.

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We didn't need the coalition to win the war

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:12PM EST (link)

Part of winning the war is removing who started the war so you don’t face that threat again. Osama bin Laden cites this as emboldening him.

Saddam was firing on our planes for years after we “won”. Yes, we liberated Kuwait. We didn’t win the war until 43 stayed the course thru the surge.

we have won now

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Alternative endings

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:12PM EST (link)

In movies they film alternative endings for movies and test them with audiences to see what makes the move sell more tickets. While I am not saying that President Bush had that luxury, what were the possible alternative endings of Gulf War I.

Ending 1…US forces swept into Baghdad and over threw the regime. US and coalition forces had enough boots on the ground to actually secure the country. The invasion would probably have been accepted in the court of world opinion based on the rape of an innocent country by Saddam.

Ending 2…Saddam with his back to wall started in with a scorched earth campaign using the Chemical weapons he was known to possess in 1990. A few here, a few there, and few dropped on Israel, delivered on one way martyrdom flights.

This would have been a very bad outcome in my view.

Enormous loss of civilian and military life with a response by the US of what, Tactical Nukes in population centers in Iraq.

If the US invaded Iraq in 2003 based on fear of Saddam having WMD’s and the will to use them, what leads anyone to believe he would not use them in 1990 in the face of a US invasion?

History, including the classified history of Gulf War 1 will someday come to light, I wonder what that history will tell us about the advice given to President Bush.

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becker missed Bush 43 staying the course thru the surge

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:13PM EST (link)

to victory?

wake up man

we have won

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It doesn't matter who else so advised. Powell went on national TV and promised "TO KILL IT", it being Saddam's army

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:18PM EST (link)

he didn’t
In Fact, he specifically refused to kill it when he could have done so under his present orders. He CHOSE to stop pursuing and killing the enemy and thanks to that more Americans died and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died and UBL was emboldened to do 911.

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We bombed Baghdad under the UN resolution at the beginning of Gulf War 1

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:21PM EST (link)

as part of liberating Kuwait. Powell CHOSE to stop killing Saddam’s army too soon.

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I answered you above.

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:25PM EST (link)

My reply to your first reply.

let more creative others in LA suggest scenarios for movies

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:29PM EST (link)

and war. You have tunnel vision.

Saddam promised to kill Saddam’s army. He didn’t.

I may have more time later to address your threat jack. I may not.

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In your view

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:30PM EST (link)

Based on your knowledge of the what was going on in theater and the potential of Saddam to inflict casualties on civilians in his own country and on coalition forces.

You are welcome to your views, but never forget that we elect a President to make the decisions of war and peace, and unless Powell had some Rasputin like power over President Bush, the decision to stop the war was made by President George Bush.

I’m pretty sure that there was other information that you and I will probably never hear about that made the question facing President Bush on this topic a much more complex one that a simple “Collin Powell talked him into it”.

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thank you gal - nt

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you were not specific as to HOW it was tacky-nt

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MOE?...I'm gonna wait 10 Min from right now...I hope your paying Attention...start

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:34PM EST (link)

Powell gave bad advice. He admits he gave the advice. He is accountable

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:36PM EST (link)

for the consequences, and given that he promised to kill Saddam’s army and given that under the resolution we bombed Baghdad, we could have killed his army between Baghadad and the border and even in Atlanta if his army was there.

Yes, WE paid President Bush and he is accountable and Powell didn’t work for free.

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seriously...make him retread or something...

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Colin Powell is not Benedict Arnold - He is Chuck Hagel

pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:36PM EST (link)

I get your passion for America when it is at war to be in it to win it. Unfortunately this country has sprouted up a crop of military elitists who don’t have the same passion as you do for the US fighting forces to get down and dirty in a fight until it is finished. They like to promote building up a first class military as a show of military might, but it is all for show. Colin Powell, Chuck Hagel, and Jack Murtha are the names that immediately come to my head.

So I disagree that this is akin to betraying America like Benedict Arnold. It is a weakness, but then a President needs to have the weak ones resign their posts because they are too in love with themselves to do the country any good.

The last time I remember a President doing this kind of thing is when Truman fired MacArthur.


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Won't make a ripple

RoxannaDanna (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:39PM EST (link)

Powell’s endorsement will have little if any impact on garnering votes.

Obama already has the black vote, so Powell won’t really effect that. I think that undecided white voters won’t be swayed anymore by this endorsement than they were by Oprah’s.

For all the reasons already stated here, I have no regard for Powell’s opinion on anything. I think most Americans feel the same way. And I think a lot of undecideds will see this as a “black like me” endorsement.

It’s sad really that things have to always come down to race… or gender. Most of us just want to vote for the right person, race and gender aside.

But when a group keeps throwing race and racism in your face, it just can’t be ignored.

Post mortems..

Putter (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:39PM EST (link)

on the first Gulf war are an interesting exercise, but not terribly useful at the moment. Further discussion of Powell’s past performance, at this point, is counterproductive. He has zigged and he has zagged. He was always a squishy moderate. Let’s just call him a fair weather fan and leave it at that. Let him join the Scott McClellan’s of the world. Let’s get back to the business of electing McCain and Palin. You go into battle with the army you have and not the army you would wish to have at some future time.

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…

GC, that decision was made by President Bush

shooflyguy68 Sunday, October 19th at 3:42PM EST (link)

He was advised by Generals Powell, Schwarzkopf and the Joint Chiefs. There were good reasons not to completely destoy the Iraqi army at that time including leaving Saddam as an effective hedge against Iranian regional interests. In hind site, of course, it may have been the wrong decision.

I thought

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:42PM EST (link)

that pointing out the connection to the “betrayus” ads would make it obvious. I find your use of the term “betrays america” to be tacky.

Side note- I was going to leave this alone after Moe stepped in.

You coulda come home with me.....Fine...Get your own ride home..

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So if

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 3:47PM EST (link)

So if Saddam had turned to those WMD’s that we went into Iraq for in 2003 to defend against an invasion you would have been what, calling for Bush Sr’s head?

I have no facts one way or the other, but of course I have no political ax to grind with Powell. I do think history will paint a picture of the end of Gulf War 1, sometime long in the future.

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Devastating indictment, gamecock

1SGinTN (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 4:02PM EST (link)

You put some facts together in a way I never thought of before. I think we have to judge him guilty as charged. I missed his appearance on the tube today, I was at church clinging to a higher power while it aired. I just caught up via a clip at another post here on redstate. What got me fired up about his mealy-mouthed interview was his umbrage over some harsh words from the right concerning Obama. Never mind that it came from outside the McCain campaign. Has he missed all the crap from dkos and the myriad others from the hard left aimed at McCain & Palin? Moderate = lukewarm, thus “I spew it out of my mouth”. Can we treat him like Chuck Connors in the opening scene from “Branded”?

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You miss one important point, Steve

Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 4:59PM EST (link)

Colin Powell was then, and is now, a tool of the U.N. He sees himself, and Obama, as some sort of raceless superhuman citizen-of-the-world, able to simply talk to people and resolve conflict. Because he was such a U.N. tool, instead of finishing the job in Iraq we left a dictator in charge (much to the dictator’s astonishment, I might add). In my view, any blood shed from that point on in Iraq is on Colin Powell’s hands.

He is as big a mistake as George H.W. Bush ever made, and his cynical angle for some sort of appointment in an Obama administration is typical.

the war was won due to Bush staying course while Iraqis learned to trust us

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 5:44PM EST (link)

after we betrayed them in 1991. No surge could have won the war absent us staying there OVER TIME!

we won due to the surge after satying long enough

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howmany damn times do I have to say that OF COURSE IS WAS BUSH'S DECISON BUT THAT POWELL ADVISED HIM WRONGLY AND SO HE IS RESOPONSIBLE FOR HIS BAD ADVICE

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READ THE THREAD

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EVERYTHING I SAY IS MY VIEW. AND YOU? YOU ALWAYS DEVOLVE TO THIS GREAT ARGUMENT THAT WHAT I SAY IS MY VIEW-NT

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HOW is it tacky? - nt

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I see a consistent pattern of incompetence when he exercises his own judgment-which makes his past performances relevant and productive

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5when evaluating his latest expressed judgment on Obama

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No I didn't GC. And I've given him credit for it.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 6:00PM EST (link)

But while he sitting on the floor under his desk in the oval office “staying the course” he let the Democrats have the high ground – hell, all the ground – on the issue of the war. He let them get away with convincing the American people that…

  1. the war was “unnecessary”;
  2. the Administration lied about the justification for the war;
  3. the Democrats were “misled” by intentionally faulty intelligence;
  4. we went to war so Bushes friends could make more money;
  5. that General Petraeus did nothing more than follow the advice of Democrats.

The US military has won a clear and convincing victory in Iraq – and will do the same in Afghanistan if they are allowed to – only to those who pay attention. That makes it about 30% of the country, tops. To most of the country, we haven’t won. An Obama victory will solidify that in the history books and will ensure that we do not have the ability to use the US military in any major event without specific permission from the UN and the EU.

GWB has given us seven years without another terrorist attack on US soil or overseas. We will pay a huge price for his unwillingness to fight for and to defend his policies and his actions.

I would still vote for him over Gore and Kerry, but two of the things I regret most in my life (and I’ve lived long enough to have lots of regrets) are both of my votes for George Bush. He may have been better than the Democrats offered us but he is one of the two worst Presidents in my lifetime (Truman ’til now). On the whole, Carter was marginally worse. He was absolutely worse over the short run and he laid the groundwork for Islamic terrorism to flourish. Bush has laid the groundwork for Islamic terrorism to have no foe. The EU has given up the fight, we were their only opposition and GWB has effectively killed our ability to respond forcefully.

Betrayals can be short of the legal definition for treason, but if Pilgrim is uncomfortable with the term "betrayal", then my respect for his judgment

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 6:03PM EST (link)

persuades me to change it.

God bless

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love your last two paragraphs btw - awesome - nt

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Powell promised to kill Saddam's army. He didn't.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 6:09PM EST (link)

I edited your comment.

I’ll accept your premise and damn Powell.

Now then, I’d like to remind you that GWB said that “you’re either with us or against us” and promised to take the war to the terrorists and their supporters. He hasn’t done that either. He’s let the Democrats get away completely unscathed. He’s let the media get away completely unscathed. He’s let two consecutive Secretaries of State let the lefty lifers at State undermine Administration policy at every turn. He’s let lefty embeds at the CIA and NSA get way with compromising national security and done exactly nothing.

Compared to GWB, Powell should be getting the Medal of Freedom. What the heck, GWB gave one to Tenet.

GC, I think your missing something on Powell

Illinicon (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 7:38PM EST (link)

He is an opprtunist, who always tries to put himself in a postion where everybody likes him. The best example of this is his decision with “Dont ask, Dont tell” instead of either upsetting the gay community, by keeping the ban on homosexuals in the armed forces or the tradtionalist by letting openly gay people serve, he comes up with a compromise that appeals to the widest range of people as possible. So his thinking in 1991 was likely if we take out Saddam and he uses WMD’s to defend himself, then he would take a hit of some of the popularity he got from the war. His buisness now is being a professional lecturer and most of his speaking engagements being on College campuses. Last year, he gave a lecture at the college I was attending at the time and his speech was interupted a few times by the wacko fringe anti-war crowd, upset at him for his his UN speech. I could tell from his body language that he was bothered at it because he doesnt/cant deal with being loathed. He did this to get that crowd off his back and to apologize to them and because McCain lacks a geniune base of support he upsets only a handful of people who wont shout him down at one of his speaking gigs.

My Potus shortlist

declared candidates:

1. Tim Pawlenty
2. Herman Cain
3. Gary Johnson
4. Rick Santorum

among declared and rumored candidates:

1. Rick Perry
2. Tim Pawlenty
3. Rudy Giuilani
4. Herman Cain

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Code Pink just made Powell an honorary member.

Tbone (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 8:00PM EST (link)

After all, a man is known by the company he keeps. Maybe someone should have pointed out to Powell that he has now aligned himself with every anti-military organization in the Country along with every anti-American group, white hating group, all sexual pervert groups, live baby killers, and etc.

While not all Obama supporters are leftwing scum,(the majority are just idiots), all leftwing scum are Obama supporters.

We will put Powell in the idiot group. He seems to have established a foothold there over time.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I wouldn't send it back

tankertodd (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 10:43PM EST (link)

You earned that letter, dude. You would have gotten a letter from any general in that role I suspect. It’s a record of a great achievement. Or at least make a color copy of it first in case you change your mind.

If you want to send him something, send him a bag of poo.

Put a note on it: “From my Colon to your Colin.”

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Don't forget November, 2000:

cwilson (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 1:15AM EST (link)

…when Gen. Powell refused to take sides during the 37 days of heck in Florida. He wanted to keep his options open, angling for a cabinet appointment in EITHER a Bush or a Gore administration.

Spineless weasel.

I wasn’t a fan of Powell in 1991 when he lost his stones amidst Peter Arnett’s hyperventilating reports of the “Highway of Death” and ordered Stormin’ Norman to stop killing the bad guys. Apparently, when your Army attacks an opposing infantry, they’re only supposed to kill them a little bit; destroying the enemy root and branch is…unseemly, or something.

Nothing since has improved my opinion of the man, nor have his petty — and not so petty — political betrayals surprised me at all.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

Bzzt.

cwilson (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 1:29AM EST (link)

The Highway of Death was the hyperventilated phrase that was behind Powell’s weak knees. Military doctrine has always maintained that when the enemy is routed, THAT’s when your greatest gains (e.g. killing the bad guys) SHOULD happen. You do NOT want them to get someplace safe, regroup, and fight again tomorrow. They’re easier to kill, in far greater numbers, while they’re panicked and running. And in war, that’s EXACTLY what you do.

Stormin’ Norman was in the process of doing that — FAR from Baghdad, in fact, still inside Kuwait — when Powell ordered him to stop it — because it “looked bad on CNN” and Peter Arnett (Journalist, Baghdad Propaganda Ministry) was waxing woeful and poetic about said “Highway of Death.”

And those guys that Powell let escape? They were the troops that Saddam used to kill the Iraqi Kurds by the thousands, because the Kurds were foolish enough to listen to us when we encouraged them to rise up against Saddam. But the poor Kurds didn’t count on the perfidy of Colin Powell — nor on GHWB’s (the buck stops, and all that). Is it any wonder why we had such trouble convincing Iraqis THIS time around that they could risk assisting us, or why it took them so long to begin to trust that we were in it for the duration?

‘Course, once again, they aren’t figuring on the spinelessness of a possible President “Timetable” Obama…

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

Thanks for the edit and the damning

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 7:36AM EST (link)

Given all the terrorists Bush has killed and that al qaeda is devastated, I don’t see how you can deny that.

Has he failed in leadership against the dems and the media? yes, we agree.

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then we agree on Bush's failings CONCURRENT

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:19AM EST (link)

with his great successes. I guess its a matter of emphasis.

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I probably just traslate opportunism as lying

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:34AM EST (link)

And as to don’t ask, don’t tell, that is the default facts on the ground reality in army barracks and sports locker rooms, that never needed to be the law until the PC crowd sought to have us all stand up and cheer what gays do in the bedroom.

you mkae good points

more later

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I would disagree on this point, GC

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 11:29AM EST (link)

I am definitely not defending Powell for his inability to at least articulate the military reasons to chase Saddam and destroy his army. At a minimum, not expressing that option vehemently represents a grotesque dereliction and also a vast dearth of common sense; a point well proved in the aftermath.

That said, our coalition was extremely important to this first effort, especially the Arab countries. The latter would have abandoned assistance, and in fact were somewhat preconditioned participants, based on purely a liberation strategy that did not include en masse ground forces crossing into Iraq and holding. We can talk about the sagaciousness of that decision, but Bush I, for better or worse, pursued the correct strategy based on preconditions.

Think about the ground we have traveled today in Iraq. Then imagine no support from the various nations involved in our original coalition. Overall, I realize we have largely gone it alone in Iraq, a credit to our forces. But logistically it would have been difficult to reach initial stability and sustainment without some of their support. We also could not just destroy the forces and Saddam, leaving a power vacuum in the region that hostile nations like Iran would most certainly fill. That would have increased the regional danger and provided a spark for greater regional conflict.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

I just figured

Lammo (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 12:10PM EST (link)

you were being British. :-)

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

Great successes?

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 2:02PM EST (link)

Bull. Check the front page. BO is insisting we’ve lost in Iraq. He wins this election and that will be the fact written in the history books.

Victory on the ground in Iraq is secondary, the primary is that the American people know we’re victorious, claim the victory and celebrate it.

As of right now, the only celebrating that looks real probable is BO being elected and pulling a landslide into the Congress with him. GWB has laid the groundwork for that victory with his write in Presidency.

You’re happy about his SCOTUS appointments – so am I – but we can kiss of SCOTUS for the next generation if BO wins. We can also kiss of any reduction in government, outside of the Pentagon of course.

At this point, GWB looks like a good candidate for a significantly worse rating than Jimmy Carter. And boy am I looking forward to inauguration day and hopefully I’ll never hear the name “Bush” again.

Bottom line, in the long run, he's failed. Period.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 2:05PM EST (link)

Yes we’ve killed a bunch of aQ. By the time BO gets done with finishing his sales pitch on how we’ve lost this war, just like Vietnam, we won’t be in any position to defend our national security with anything but lawyers. And I’ll surely get banned if I follow that thought.

You're starting to make me believe

kowalski (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 5:21PM EST (link)

You’re starting to make me believe you’ve got it down too well.

You’re on thin not so nice ice.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Powell? He's Too Chicken to Even Stand By His Own Words

jimmuy8 (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 6:54PM EST (link)

So, why wouldn’t he turn tail now?

Which ice?

1SGinTN (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 7:47PM EST (link)

nt

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

 
 

UPDATE: Powell abandoned President Clinton re Somalia

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 20th at 8:47PM EST (link)

UPDATE: Powell abandoned President Clinton re Somalia in 1993, when Clinton entered office in the midst of an ongoing operation and, despite a request by the President to stay on thru the crisis and see Christopher Hitchens’ Bill of Particulars against Powell from 2000 which paint a picture of a politically expediant career not contradicted by his actions after 2000:

In 1968, as a staff army major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre, and into related atrocities against civilians.

As a White House fellow during the Watergate years he earned a reputation — but only for keeping his mouth shut.

As a military assistant to Caspar Weinberger during the Reagan administration, he helped to deceive Congress about the trading in heavy weapons with Iran, about the exchange of those weapons for hostages, and about the diversion of the illicit proceeds to finance another illicit operation in Nicaragua.

In Panama, in 1989, he helped shape an operation that totally disregarded international law and took many civilian lives.

During the Gulf War, he strongly opposed any military help for the Kurdish and Shia rebellions against Saddam Hussein.

In the Bosnian conflict, he publicly opposed any intervention against Slobodan Milosevic and his forcible creation of a “Greater Serbia.”

Read it all.

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In the long run, we are all dead mbecker

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 12:27PM EST (link)

Did the Founders “fail” since we had the war of 1812 and the Civil War and turned to big goverment in he 30s?

By your definition we can’t know if anyone ever suceeds until 1000 years after Jesus returns.

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That's just silly Gamecock.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 2:57PM EST (link)

And to answer your questions, no the founders didn’t fail because of 1812 (which we clearly won, by the way).

With reference to the 30′s and FDR, and I’ll toss in LBJ and his socialist expansions of government, yes we’ve failed. With respect to FDR, in about 80 years we’ve rolled back zip. Pretty much the same for LBJ’s stuff, although we got a small concession on welfare. The rest of it has run wild and has been supported and expanded by every Republican President and Congress with the notable exception of the Class of 94.

 
 
 

Christopher Hitchens

HankRearden (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 7:15PM EST (link)

“See also Christopher Hitchens’ Bill of Particulars against Powell…..”

I’m not sure what to make of Mr. Hitchens after he also endorsed Obama last week.

At least we still have Sean Hannity and David Brooks…. We do still have them, right?

don't ever call me silly - punk - nt

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I never put insults in subject lines for all to see and am damn tired of getting them from you. I am not silly and neitehr was John Maynard Keynes, and you also used that word "that's with out SPECIFICALLY what that is, you lazy as*!-nt

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nt

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If you don't know what to think, you could do much worse than following GC's thoughts-nt

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Yes, we still have Hannity, but Brooks thinks

janis (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 8:09PM EST (link)

Obama is just swell. What are you gonna do–he’s with the NYT.

Don't bother, guys: my wife had him pegged as a moby...

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 8:30PM EST (link)

…just from looking over my shoulder at his diary entry, and she’s not even into political blogging.

That was not meant as an insult.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 10:48PM EST (link)

You should know by now that when I want to toss out an insult I’m much more direct than that.

I meant it just the way it was written. Your comment is, in fact silly. You’ve applied your “lawyer tactic” (not a slam, just a note) of coming up with a outlandish parallel (the War of 1812) although you slipped a little on the FDR ref in order to attempt to discredit a specific point of mine which, BTW, you didn’t address.

In the spirit of me being a crusty old fart who happens to like you, I apologize for my comment if in fact you were offended. No offense was meant on my part. (Again, I’ve got a record of working to intentionally offend some drive-by posters here and I’m much more direct than the comment in question.)

I will attempt to be more considerate of your feelings in the future. Frankly, in my defense, given that fact that you’re a guy (All American Male type, too) AND a trial lawyer, I made the initial assumption that you didn’t have feelings. Oops, wrong again. :>),

Have a better day…

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Colin Powell's career is finished

carlr Wednesday, October 22nd at 4:36AM EST (link)

Colin Powell’s endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States is his second serious and notorious blunder. The first was permitting himself to be the Bush team greenhorn at the United Nations, alleging that great stores of WMD would be found, which never were.

accepted and my bad too - an a bad mood

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, October 22nd at 7:45AM EST (link)

But there is nothing silly about my logic application.

But I was in a very bd mood and over reacted.

sorry man

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General Powell

Trueblue11b Wednesday, October 22nd at 9:59AM EST (link)

Democrats love to ride on the coat tails of Gen. Powell’s endorsement of Barrack Hussein Obama; however, did they forget? This is the same Gen. Powell that endorsed President G.W. Bush……. the man that we know Democrats love soooooo much.

You will hear Bush

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, October 22nd at 10:12AM EST (link)

You’ll hear Bush more than ever in the next 4 years if Obama gets elected.

They have been successful in blaming Bush for everything so far, why would they quit?

Failed Dem policies will be blamed on Bush for handing them such a big problem nothing will work.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

We were there already

bobbymike (Diary) Wednesday, October 22nd at 10:28PM EST (link)

Stormin Norman’s left hook armored flanking manuever was over the Saudi/Iraq border they only had to keep going slightly north east to pin the remainder of the Republican Guards against the Euphrates River and game over. Two to three more days tops.

You are correct.

Justin_Case (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:37AM EST (link)

…Military doctrine has always maintained that when the enemy is routed, THAT’s when your greatest gains (e.g. killing the bad guys) SHOULD happen. You do NOT want them to get someplace safe, regroup, and fight again tomorrow. They’re easier to kill, in far greater numbers, while they’re panicked and running. And in war, that’s EXACTLY what you do.

Many times retreating armies from both sides in the American Civil War were allowed to retreat and then regroup, thus prolonging that war.

If I recall correctly, the Iraqi Army in question was not far from Basra, in the southern part of Iraq.

It could have been destroyed by American air power, which had an effective presence in the entire country of Iraq. Destruction of the Iraqi Army would not have depended on an invasion by Coalition ground forces.

The decision to allow Saddam’s forces, many of whom were the elite Republican Guard, to escape was made more in deference to the Russians, who were still a major factor at that time. We see today the results of that decision.

Powell made numerous statements before and after the UN speech

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 12:23PM EST (link)

that we were justified in removing Saddam based on his PUBLIC violations of the ceasefire and that intel was only makeweight.

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limited vision and poor judgement

bunbury (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:16PM EST (link)

Gen. Powell seems to me, at the very least, to display limited vision and poor judgement in his support of Obama.

-R. Bunbury

Our nation is struggling : americasstrugglewithsuccess.com

I concur

bunbury (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:19PM EST (link)

Our nation is struggling : americasstrugglewithsuccess.com

Iraq did have WMD's

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:29PM EST (link)

Iraq: Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)
Capable Missiles and Unmanned Aerial
Vehicles (UAVs)

Iraq WMD

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

“We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons,” Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: “Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq’s pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.”

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

I always find it interesting how "there were no WMDs" became the accepted narrative

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:33PM EST (link)

When the Iraq Study Group found the opposite. There weren’t stockpiles, no (and I STILL would like to know where they went), but there was a viable WMD program.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Iraq WMD - some went to Syria

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:50PM EST (link)

Where they no doubt still have some of them.
Maybe Nancy found some?Nancy

Iraq – Syria

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

They also forgot he was an uncle tom and a house negro.

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 11:14PM EST (link)

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