Dobson moments vs. Evangelical Election Days


Single-issue values voters for pied-pipers tag is a bigoted smear

Evangelicals have been the most loyal GOP voters since Ronald Reagan brought them into the party in droves in 1980. They left their previous apathy or Democratic Party allegiance to vote for Republicans based on issues, not instructions from media appointed “leaders.”

Given that, I was quite amused at all the teeth gnashing by certain libertarian and/or secular leaning conservatives last winter when Dr. James Dobson and other prominent Evangelicals vocalized their opposition to pro-choice candidate Rudy Giuliani. I was even more amused at the wailing when Dobson announced he couldn’t vote for John McCain. My amusement was a mask for my contempt for people that have such a low opinion of Evangelicals (as well as Southerners and Christians in general) as to think that they follow pied-pipers rather than vote issues like the enlightened.

The wailing teeth-gnashers were convinced by “leader” statements and those ubiquitous between election polls that liberals put out to torture the political novices or those with memories that seem to wane every four years, that Evangelicals would abandon the party.


So, given that so many wrote off the Evangelical vote, and, hence, the election based on Dobson musings of “the moment”, I am expectantly waiting for the nervous nellies whose world is created anew each morning by the MSM and conservative chatterers, to make a U-turn and declare all is well after:

“I have considered the fact that elections always involve imperfect candidates … you always have to choose between two flawed individuals,” Dobson said on his national radio broadcast July 21. But Dobson also said there are several significant issues where he and McCain agree.

“As of this moment, I have to take into account that Sen. John McCain has voted pro-life consistently,” Dobson said. “… He says he favors marriage between a man and a woman. He opposes homosexual adoption. He favors smaller government and lower taxes and he seems to understand the Muslim threat, which matters a lot to me.

Therefore, I have considered the fact that elections always involve imperfect candidates — there are no perfect human beings — and you always have to choose between two flawed individuals…. I never thought I would hear myself saying this, but it’s where I am: While I am not endorsing Sen. John McCain, the possibility is there that I might.”

McCain supports embryonic stem cell research and has opposed a federal marriage amendment; although he has have left wiggle room on both issues and implied or said he could change. But he has sought to reach out to pro-lifers during campaign speeches; during one recent stop in Missouri he told the crowd that they could count on his “active advocacy for the rights of the unborn.” He also has stated his support for a proposed California marriage amendment, which Obama opposes.

In February, Dobson said he was opposed to Republicans voting to make McCain their presidential nominee and said with McCain and Obama or Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) as the nominees, he would not cast a ballot in November.

“There’s no doubt — at least no doubt in my mind — about whose policies will result in more babies being killed or will do the greatest damage to the institution of marriage and the family,” Dobson said. “I am convinced that Sen. McCain comes closer to what I believe.”

Dobson said that Obama is an intelligent and charismatic candidate who, on the surface, is an attractive candidate. But Obama’s beliefs on key issues, the two men said, should alarm conservative Christians.

Dobson said he thinks Obama is “more liberal and more extreme than most Democrats in the Senate.” The “best example” of that, Dobson said, is the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which passed the Senate 98-0. Obama, then an Illinois state legislator, opposed a version of it on the state level. The bill would have given legal rights to babies who survive abortions.

Obama “was chairman of the committee who dealt with” the bill and “spoke against the bill, arguing for the right to kill those babies,” Dobson said. Obama has a position that “even his liberal colleagues don’t represent. This man is really far, far left.”

Dobson said the point of the program was “not to tell people how to vote” but instead “to ask people to think about the issues.”

So, who are the real mind-numbed robots, us Evangelicals, including the Cockstradamas among us that said last winter that Dobson would come around and that even if he didn’t, Evangelicals would come out in droves against an Obama or a Clinton, or too many of the conservative chattering class that follow the conventional wisdom story lines campaign season after campaign season, oblivious to the repeating pattern?

Evangelicals came into the GOP because Democrats’ economic policies were ruinous, they were weak on defense, and they favored judge made law that re-writes the Constitution, especially with respect to life and local control of public schools.

Guess what? They still care about those issues, and they still can spot a leftist a mile away or in Berlin. It was a bit harder in 1980 when one of their own sold them out, but it has gotten increasingly easier since, and the Obama is anathema with his 20-year pew-parked in a hate whitey America church.

Most Evangelicals are white and love America. hence the recent poll that only 31% of whites have a favorable view of Obama.

Dobson and friends wanted to make sure the GOP nominee was pro-life. They got their way. The way that got us Reagan and the Congress.

Evangelicals want America to reject liberals that attack the values they hold dear whether Dobson or anyone else lets his pride get in the way of the sanity they live by each day that sees all too clearly Ruth Bader Ginsburgs emanating from even moderate Democrats.

So, all you that wrote off the Evangelical vote based on an “at this moment” writ Dobson last winter, start churning out the crow eating essays and address them to Gamecock.

[Prepare for more as well, and all you that change positions each weak get not slack. Flip-floppers. smile...]

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Dobson made his bed

GregInFla (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 10:33PM EST (link)

GC,

Glad I found this diary tonight (on an unrelated search for Sarah Steelman material). As a Fredhead, and Southern Christian raised northern Catholic who might be labeled an Evangelical by the MSM, and also a donor to FOTF, I really believe that Dobson missed badly when he objected to Fred Thompson during the primary season due to the abortion issue. Getting rid of Roe v. Wade puts us back to where we need to be, and Fred’s focus is right on with that issue. Looking back at the primary season, the whole focus was “who can beat Hillary?”. Some said “McCain”, others “Rudy” or “Romney”. No one said “Obama”.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

Nice of you to see this in

dbecraft Wednesday, July 30th at 10:46PM EST (link)

a non-religious way… We all have our own beliefs and Dobson’s is one that resonates with most Christians. You are free to believe as you will, but don’t come onto ResState and expect that your ideas are worthy of respect. You may believe as you may, but don’t portend that they are the majority…

Formally known as Deagle… “Golf is a way of life…”

I agree Greg, in fact Dobson's mistakes

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 10:47PM EST (link)

in the political world are legion and his importance is over-rated.

Dobson got full of himself during the primaries and said things for the purpose of keeping Giuliani off the ticket and then got arrogant and then thought that by insisting on purity he could create a perfect candidate, by his terms, that wasn’t running!

My main points in this blog was to point out that I said at the time, that Dobson would change his tune once a leftist dem nominee concentrated the mind, and that ISSUES, not leaders drive Christians, just like everyone else.

more later

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Like many here,

dbecraft Wednesday, July 30th at 10:54PM EST (link)

You overestimate your own beliefs rather than look at the overall picture. Sorry, but while Dobson may be “full of himself” according to you, he remains an authoritative voice to many… I know you do not want to hear this, but it is a fact.

Way too many here seem to think that Christians will follow the path of others and vote for the least evil. We do not follow Christian leaders per say – we do vote our conscience – and this time around, it does seem to be “none of the above”… Not a grand choice, be realistic.

Formally known as Deagle… “Golf is a way of life…”

likewise

GregInFla (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 11:57PM EST (link)

Excuse me? Where did that come from?
Never mind, I don’t want to know.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

Dobson said he is considering

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 11:58PM EST (link)

endorsing McCain, when before, he wouldn’t even vote for him. I predicted this.

And by your pied piper view the sheep will vote for McCain since Dobson says to, right?

So what are you saying?

I have 20+ years hearing these same old tired July arguments that always are forgotten when refuted in Novembers.

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golf man, admit it. You didn't read my blog

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 12:00AM EST (link)

where I quoted Dobson as changing his mind. Right?

looks bad anti-tiger

Dobson is not for none of the above. He is, miraculously, rejecting the leftist enemy of all that is good.

So the “leader” follows GC.

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Sorry Gamecock...

dbecraft Thursday, July 31st at 12:25AM EST (link)

you still seem to think that the statements or beliefs of religious leaders has something to do with other (majority christian) Christian beliefs.

Either way you are wrong in your statements..so no, I give a hoot about Dobson’s beliefs or most others… You seen to believe that we follow our leader and disregard out own beliefs. That is your problem…not mine. I do listen to Dobson, but on non-religious matters, I can make up my own mind.

I’m sorry, but your overall beliefs on the Christian religion are just wrong…
That is okay, but I don’t think it is fair to try to influence others via your beliefs.

RedState is a great place to discuss beliefs… I doubt that this was the place…

Formally known as Deagle… “Golf is a way of life…”

What are my overall beliefs on the Christian religion?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 10:44AM EST (link)

I haven’t stated them. And your statements seem non-responsive non sequiturs as per my blog. I still don’t know what your point is.

Truly.

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Golfman, I said Dobson "got"

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 12:02PM EST (link)

full of himself last February. But I love Dobson and want him to influence people in his radio ministry.

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Dobson has shown up every election

Wisecracker (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 6:09PM EST (link)

for years to denounce the Republican candidate. It used to be all about abortion. The candidates were never pro-life enough for him.

I Don't get it either

GregInFla (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 6:32PM EST (link)

Like you, GC, where did I say anything negative about Christians’ beliefs and their following of Dobson’s lead? (Someone is translating from English to golf-man-ish and back again, losing a lot in the translations.) I said that I support Dobson financially, both FOTF and his political action group, and get flogged for it. Oh well, enough on that.

Dobson has to realize that their is more than the Presidency. Getting more pro-life US Senators is very important. We have seen the Democrats in the Senate stall most of Pres. Bush’s lower-court nominees in the hopes of getting their people in those posts next year. George Allen could have used Dobson’s help two years ago in Virginia. The POTUS can nominate all the right people, but without Senators to affirm them, they won’t get the positions. This year, getting Durbin out in Illinois would be nice.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

agreed - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 10:24PM EST (link)

nt

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