What is greed?
The dictionary defines greed as
greed
n. An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.
(greed. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Retrieved September 07, 2009, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/greed)
I have a problem with this definition, from one perspective: Everyone has more than they “need.” We learn early in life that our “needs” consist of food, water, shelter, air and (generally) clothing. Everything else is a “want.” So by the definition above, practically everyone in America and the majority of people on this planet are greedy. We own computers, automobiles, cellular phones, washing machines, televisions and more.
Surely this is not the case? Surely greed cannot be such a broad concept that the vast majority of people on this planet are guilty?
Perhaps the author of the definition was referring to having significantly greater “want” possessions than needs. Again, however, in most of Europe, North America and a great deal of South America and Asia people have significantly greater wants than they have needs. Indeed, by this definition, it would seem that we must live in poverty to not be greedy.
So there is something wrong with our official definition of greed.
Then there is the colloquiol definition: Anyone who earns a great deal of money or who has significant possessions is greedy. We see this when friends or co-workers talk about “Wall Street bankers” or insurance company executives and their “excessive” compensation packages. Bill Gates, before giving the bulk of his fortune to charity, was heavily scrutinized and reviled by many.
Celebrities like Oprah Winfrey (one of the wealthiest people in the world), Susan Sarandon and Danny Glover seem to be left off this list, as are the leaders of certain companies such as Steve Jobs (co-founder of Apple) and until recently John Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods).
This colloquiol definition, however, seems to shift depending on the person, their personal beliefs, their mood, current situation and perception. After all, if George Soros ($11.0 billion), Ted Turner ($2.3 billion) and Steve Jobs ($3.4 billion) with their massive fortunes are not “greedy,” surely neither are Lee Scott (CEO of Wal Mart, net worth unknown, under $1.0 billion) or Bob Nardelli (former CEO of Home Depot, whose “golden parachute” resignation was highly criticized). If Oprah Winfrey ($2.7 billion) is not greedy, how is it that Rupert Murdoch ($4.0 billion) is?
So if neither the dictionary definition nor the colloquiol definition are acceptable, what must the true definition of “greed” be?
I submit that greed should be defined as “the desire to use or act of using force, coercion or fraud to exact greater compensation than the compensating party would determine to be fair, or accepting compensation for the commission of same.”
Notice in this definition that “fairness” is not the overriding factor. Many people pay more for a product than the believe is fair. I pay more than I believe is fair for many products, but I pay for them because I want them.
For example, when I stop at a gas station, I usually pay more for a 20 oz bottle of Coke Zero than I would if I got a 32-oz cup from the fountain. However, I can re-seal the bottle and maintain the carbonation. It seems unfair to me to pay more for less, but it is still a “fair” exchange because I would rather part with my money and have that product, even though I believe I am over-paying. There is no greed on the part of the gas station owner or Coca-Cola.
If I go to the store and choose a more-expensive MP3 player due to its popularity or perceived “cool,” even though I could get a better one for the same or less money, again it is free exchange. I am paying more for a lesser product, but doing so willingly.
If, however, I go to purchase a used car and the salesman lies to me about its condition (say, it has a faulty fuel pump), I am paying more for a product than it is worth due to fraud. In this case, the salesman has acted in a greedy manner: He lied to me about the car’s condition so he could receive greater compensation. The same goes for the progenitor of a ponzi scheme: He is lying about the investment to defraud the investors.
If I am mugged and forced to hand over my wallet, the robber was greedy: He used force to relieve me of my property in exchange for my life.
If I have some skeleton in my closet and someone blackmails me, the blackmailer is greedy: They used coercion to exact payment to not do something.
When a politician accepts a political contribution (or a bribe) to steer legislation, they have accepted compensation to commit the government to an act of force or coercion.
Selling a product for a profit, even a product for which millions of people are willing to pay a tremendous premium, is not in and of itself “greed.” If it were, then all of those wealthy people listed above would be greedy, including Oprah Winfrey, George Soros and Steve Jobs, not just Bob Nardelli and Rupert Murdoch and the ill-defined “Wall Street banker.”
If we limit the definition of greed to simply acquiring wealth, then we demonize all persons who attempt to create a better life for themselves and their families. Acquiring wealth is the surest insurance against the throes of the economy. Surely this cannot, on its own, be evil?
Cross-posted at Seeking Liberty.
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I think that's much closer to the real definition
randy streu (Diary) Monday, September 7th at 10:53AM EST (link)and it shifts correctly the “Guilt” of greed from those who work for their money to those who want without makling a contribution.
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Love 10-1ment's definition, but what is most significant about either definition is that greed is merely the "excess" of a good motive, whereas envy
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, September 7th at 8:33PM EST (link)is pure evil that gains all its pleasure from the suffering of others.
People are greedy, have been since Eve bit the apple and will be till Jesus returns,
BUT
Our free market system best channels greed since to make a second sale, the first customer must be satisfied.
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I'm more of the Gordon Gecko mindset
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:46AM EST (link)Using the dictionary definition, greed is like gravity. It is a natural law. It allows the market to function. Since everyone always wants a little more than they have of some things, and less than they can produce of others, they are willing to continue to trade their excess production for the excess production of others. This is a win/win trade since both sides increase the subjective value of their property. The end result of this law of greed is increased wealth for everyone who participates in the market.
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we mostly agree - our system deals with greed better than any other, by far - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, September 11th at 1:31AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
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And when the Socialists play the class warfare card...
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 7th at 11:45AM EST (link)they are using greed to achieve their agenda. The affluence and improved life style of all levels of the socio-economic strata over the past several decades, has caused people to become confused regarding the difference between a want and a need. Whereas people once understood that essentials of “food, water, shelter, air, and clothing as needs, they now see non-necessities as needs. Whether it is to have a car, cell phones, ipods, a house vs. an apartment, etc. Their wants have become their perceived needs.
The Dems use the “card” of economic inequality and our so-called greed, as the way to take from one group to give to another. Of course, that makes the rest of us greedy for not wanting to give it up.
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Marxism/Socialism/Leninism is universal racism and universal envy
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:52AM EST (link)People are divided into artificially determined racial and class groups and envy of each other is encouraged by the revolutionary vanguard. This creates universal racism and envy of all groups against all other groups, and thereby fractures the people so the revolutionary vanguard can seize power. In other words, it is a TRICK to get the people to usher dictators into power who will strip them of their power to ever be free again.
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The difference between wants and needs is as confusing to most people...
nessa (Diary) Monday, September 7th at 12:06PM EST (link)…as the difference between pain and discomfort. Young men who did not understand that difference were a daily sight while I was a Drill Sergeant and still are in a civilian workforce. Nothing, not even a job which pays well is allowed, in their minds, to be hard or uncomfortable. As soon as it gets difficult the whining and crying starts. They still want their ipods and iphones but cannot be bothered to work hard for them. Its the entitlement mindset at its worst, like the kid who whined to Obama at one of his townhalls a few months ago, he worked at McDonalds and wanted McD’s to give him health care benefits for his minimum wage unskilled job. God forbid he put any effort into getting a better job, that would be too hard, to painful.
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Greed is not
baserunr (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 11:56AM EST (link)me wanting to keep what I have lawfully earned. It is the government and others wanting to take it by force or deception. LJ Miller is right, the best situations are where participants are interacting voluntarily.
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Greed rests upon the foundation stone of envy
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 1:00PM EST (link)Envy is the belief that you are entitled to a level of compensation that at least equals what you see your neighbor enjoying. Or more crudely, envy convinces you that you have the right to your neighbors level of enjoyment and that you can’t be happy or fufilled unless you to can enjoy what he has too.
Building upon this entitlement, greed, as you note, is the next step – that you also are entitled to use “force, coercion or fraud to exact greater compensation than the compensating party would determine to be fair, or accepting compensation for the commission of same.”
Good distinction here – that greed is not simply an internal state of mind – which is impossible to measure – but also contains a rationale that opens the door to and justifies the evil actions against you neighbor defined above.
That is, it’s not necessarily evil to want more than you have: it’s when you justify doing evil against you neighbor to satisfy that want- thats where you cross over the line into greed.
Though I think that greed also does entail a lack of respect for limits – and that lack of respect not only can lead to hurting your neighbor, as descibed above, but also, whether or not you actually attempt to take from your neighbor, the spirit that leads you to violate boundaries also distracts you from other activities and endeavors that would be more profitable for you and those who are in relationship with you (since our time and energy is also limited).
Though actually this too could fit with your definition because it could be argue that choosing to spend your time this way involves an element of fraud or coercion that your spouse, etc, would not consider to be fair compensation for his/her investment into the relationship.
Very interesting line of thought.
However, I think there is still an spirit of greed that does not require commission of sin against your neighbor – it would also seem to me that greed can also lead to sins of omission against your neighbors.
Omission would deal with the relationship between greed and hoarding, for instance. Or as John wrote (I John 3:17): “But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?”
Here we have greed as expressed in an omission of charity, even though the “brother” has no claim on any of those goods and thus issues of wrongful compensation are not involved. Not quite sure how this figures in to your definition.
Regardless, the important point you do make is to warn us from making the jump too far that mere desire to acquire more than what some arbitrary authority would view as “fair” or “deserved” or “needs” equates with greed.
(Though if God has set definable limits or boundaries, that would be different, given that we do live in a world of limits and boundaries. Where again, your definition does help clarify those boundaries.)
Lots of food for thought.
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Greed is the desire to gain for its own sake.
Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, September 9th at 10:33AM EST (link)That should be contrasted with wanting to gain to better one’s station.
Greed is the desire to acquire more, not for the having or the using of the thing, but for the getting itself. It’s in the acquisition. We are pleased at how we felt when acquiring, and we want to do it again.
Under normal circumstances, people recognize the negative consequences of taking too many fish from the stream, charging too high a price for a product, or stealing all of the money from the cash register rather than just what is needed to buy supper.
But when greed rears it head, we want as many fish as we can carry (and then some), we want whatever the customer has, or whatever is in the register.
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