Six attacks in two months. Cars stolen, people shot and neighborhoods living in constant fear of attack.
Baghdad? Sri Lanka? Zimbabwe?
Not hardly.
At and near the Georgia Tech campus in Atlanta, students and local residents have been dealing with muggings and robberies for months. Despite an increased police presence in the area, the Georgia Tech campus has become a haven for criminal activity. In the past, Georgia State students (who study just blocks from the state Capitol) faced attacks from panhandlers, muggers and robbing crews.
UPDATED: WSB Radio is reporting more violence last night, even as Atlanta PD makes a show of force and after several arrests. Two masked men attacked a student and demanded his cell phone, also took his bag and laptop.
The Atlanta City and Fulton County governments, desperate to control their 2009 budgets, cut funding for emergency services by cutting police hours and closing fire departments, who are now being asked to tackle and stop the attacks. Locals have been shot near the campus. Arrests have been made and yet the attacks continue.
It’s not hard to figure out why: Georgia, like most states, prohibits the carrying of weapons (including guns) by anyone but police on college and other educational campuses. This leaves the students defenseless against those for whom the law is merely something to be dealt with after being arrested. Thousands of students are protected by a few dozen police officers who, though capable, can’t be everywhere at once.
Georgia Tech, it would seem, has become a free-fire zone.
The reason for all of this is simple: Muggers, robbers and carjackers aren’t looking to shoot people. Criminals are inherently lazy: They want an easy target. Shooting is only required if the victim fights back, and otherwise generally happens by accident or if the criminal is just a sociopath. So the criminals go someplace where they know the people will be unarmed: College campuses, where law-abiding citizens refrain from carrying or even possessing guns.
The criminals don’t care about the law. They only care about taking something that rightfully belongs to somebody else.
Gun-free zones simply don’t work. They didn’t work in Paducah. They didn’t work in Columbine. They didn’t work at Virginia Tech and the don’t work now at Georgia Tech.
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When I lived in ATL, almost 40 years ago,
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, June 24th at 4:06AM EST (link)I’d have much rather made the two block walk from my shop in Underground Atlanta to the National Bank of Georgia without my pants on than without my pistol; I’d have had a reasonable chance of living through it with no pants but no chance with no pistol.
ATL is an ugly, violent town that the stupid honkies are allowed to use from 8-5 so long as they’re prepared to put up with a little mugging and killing and car-jacking. Unfortunately, I have to land there to see my family in the more civilized parts of Georgia, but I rent my car, hit I-75, and don’t look back.
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I lived just north of Atlanta for most of my adolescence and young adult years...
EvanWeeks (Diary) Wednesday, June 24th at 8:38AM EST (link)Atlanta is a great town, while there’s daylight, and so long as you don’t venture into East Point or any other designated no-whitey zone, which they’re allowed to declare without warning or notice. Google “Freaknik” and Atlanta for an explanation there.
After dark, all bets are off and you’re better off sticking to well-lit touristy areas. The Varsity has been the site of violence and a lot of drug crime recently, as well as the area around Fox Theater, IIRC. If you value your life, you’ll stay the hell away from Piedmont Park after dark, too. If it can be done in Gwinnett or Norcross or perhaps Marietta/Decatur, best to do it there instead of venturing into Atlanta proper after dark.
Oh, and the no-gun law? Regularly disregarded by students on campus at Tech. My brother’s frat kept a gun around just for the ROUS’s.
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Atlanta is a lot like Memphis in one sence
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, June 24th at 10:50AM EST (link)It’s Dangerous and not to be ventured at night. I remember the few years I lived in Memphis(last few years of my dad time in the navy), seeing on the news another homicide. I’d much rather live in San Antonio than Memphis or any big high crime city.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
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blooch Wednesday, June 24th at 11:20AM EST (link)Where you from? I grew up on South Buford Hwy….wouldn’t go there after dark now. Norcross is also pretty sketchy now, BTW.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Two Atlantas
Finrod (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 11:34AM EST (link)If you stick to the suburbs when it’s not daylight, Atlanta is a pretty nice place to live. The crime rate is heavily a function of location; if you want to know if somewhere is safe, track down a nearby pizza place and ask if they deliver to where you want to go. If they won’t deliver there, you don’t want to be there.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
When I lived there, as long as you stayed out
Achance (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 12:12PM EST (link)of the Atlanta City Limits, suburban life was almost idyllic. Seems the rot has spread out into Dekalb and even some of Cobb these days. I don’t know much about South Atlanta as anything more than an area to drive through. Of course, it was a much smaller city and metro area back then, half a million or so in ATL proper and about 3 million in the metro area.
My then-wife’s family did the American Dream off Briarcliff Rd. in a subdivision comprised mostly of corporate managers from the North who came to ATL in the fifties and early sixties. By the ’80s as they retired and moved on or had their lifestyles greatly reduced by the impact of inflation on their retirement and savings, the neighborhood began to decline sharply. I lived for awhile in Doraville, which now appears unfit for human habitation. I also lived awhile in Brookhaven, which was quite nice back then but I don’t know anymore.
My hometown is about 180 miles southeast of ATL, about halfway between Macon and Savannah. Until I-16 went in, it was a long drive on the two-lanes to ATL, so you had to have a good reason to go. Lots of people still took the train until the mid-sixties. The Central of Georgia’s Nancy Hanks passenger train from Savannah to Macon and Atlanta often ran shopping specials and specials for big events in ATL. Into the ’60s a trip to Atlanta was a real treat and the ultimate snob appeal in rural Georgia was shopping for your clothes at Rich’s downtown, a beautiful, ornate old-time full line department store that reflected local tastes and style. By the time I left, the downtown store was practically a ghost store and last I heard it was now owned by the City. By the early ’70s crime was epidemic and for a few years there, ATL was the murder capital of the Country. Nowhere downtown was safe at night except Underground and the stadium and they only because half the off-duty cops in ATL were working security there at any given time. Nowhere south of Auburn Ave. was safe at any time of day of you were white. Between the awful economy and the fact that I was really, really tired of carrying a gun all the time, ATL started to look like a good place to be from, far from, so I left in the summer of ’74.
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Atlanta's grown like gangbusters since then
Finrod (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 4:09PM EST (link)Pretty much the vast bulk of the growth in Atlanta has been in the north suburbs. Cobb and Gwinnett are both huge now, north Fulton wants to break away and be Gordon County again, and the counties one notch further out (Cherokee, Hall, Forsyth, Paulding, Douglas, and to a lesser extent Rockdale, Henry, Spalding, Fayette) are exploding in population. Heck, they wanted to put in the Northern Arc roughly along the path of SR 20 (Cartersville, Canton, Cumming, Buford), but had to cancel it because too many houses had sprung up along its path and full-scale NIMBYism took hold. I moved here in 1997 and it’s boggled me how much things have grown since then. The metro area grew by a full million in the 1990s and has been growing faster than that this decade– though Katrina whomping New Orleans in 2005 may have helped with that, since Atlanta got the second-biggest influx of Katrina refugees after Houston. The topside Perimeter between I-75 and I-85 is 5 lanes to a side and is woefully inadequate during rush hour, especially the 285-400 intersection. Heck, there’s even discussion going around about building a tunnel between 400 and I-675, a segment that was supposed to be in Atlanta’s original freeway grid that got dropped by NIMBYists, because the Connector (I-75-85) is woefully overloaded and there’s no room to expand it either out or up (one MARTA station is positioned over it, even).
I looked up some population numbers on Wikipedia last month and the numbers are astonishing; Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas are by far the fastest growing cities near the top (going by metro area, not city limits); if you take the 2000 –> 2008 numbers and scale them out into the future at their current rates, Atlanta will be #2 in the country behind NYC by 2050, with Dallas #3.
I’ve driven I-16 to Savannah before; it’s a very lonely road with very few amenities at any of the exits. Maybe once they build I-14 from Augusta to Warner Robins to Columbus and points west that might change a bit– if they ever get it started. Last I heard the proposed expressway (the horribly malnumbered I-3) from Savannah to Augusta to points north– Knoxville if they can get it through that far– is getting more attention.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
For awhile I had a Fiat 124 Spyder.
Achance (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 4:29PM EST (link)Wife 1.0 and I were going down to see my parents travelling the very empty 1-16 at around 110 mph. If you think it is lonely now, you should have seen it back before they completed the stretch in Truetlen and Emanuel Counties; the local constablary didn’t even much bother to patrol for fines since there was so little traffic. Anyway, I’m tooling along, top down at 110 or so and I’m passed like I was standing still by a Ferrari 275 GTB Daytona who must have been doing well over 150 mph. I was dreaming of owning one and Baker Motors in Buckhead had a red one for $22,500, out of my reach but not by much so I could hope to own one. Those were the days! ‘Course, I never did catch up to the price of owning a big Ferrari, but I did make Porsche for awhile.
That one stretch of I-16 stayed incomplete for the better part of 20 years as Jim Gillis of Truetlen County and Commissioner of Highways sparred with George Smith of Emanuel County, then Speaker of the House, over whose town, Soperton (Gillis) or Swainsboro (Smith) it was going through or at least closest to. A whole federal Interstate just sat there with a thirty mile unfinished stretch as these two “titans” fought it out. One good thing Jimmy Carter did as President, since he didn’t like either of them, especially Gillis, was finish that road and he did it by just running right through the fields and woods and bypassing both Soperton and Swainsboro leaving both to essentially wither away and die. When I was a kid, Swainsboro and Statesboro were about the same size, 5-6000 people, typical rural county seat towns. Today, Swainsboro is still little more than that and Statesboro must have close to 50K with Georgia Southern having grown from a rural “teachers college” to a major university.
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Georgia Southern was the bane of my existence when I worked at Georgia State
Finrod (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 5:04PM EST (link)I can’t even begin to count how much insulting email was sent to root@gsu.edu from people that were too dumb to realize that gsu.edu is Georgia State and gasou.edu at the time was Georgia Southern (now georgiasouthern.edu). I even emailed a few of them back to let them know that their complaint had been misdirected– to no avail, they just sent more insulting email. I guess you can lead an idiot to knowledge but you can’t make him learn anything.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
I went through 3 124's before I graduated from College.
blooch Friday, June 26th at 5:34PM EST (link)At one point, everyone in my family (4) had their own Spyder. My dad loved that little DOHC, and we went through the ’70′s with an engine hoist in the driveway and a body shop in the carport. Total chick magnet was the 124.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
They were beautiful until they had to put the stupid US bumpers
Achance (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 6:18PM EST (link)on them; totally ruined the look and the additional ride height totally screwed up the handling. But they were great baby Ferraris if you knew how to work on them yourself and would actually keep them up.
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Amen on the fugly bumpers, and add to the list
blooch Friday, June 26th at 9:51PM EST (link)the battery move to the boot in later years and all of the jerry-rigged Italian emissions controls that sucked all the fun out of working on them. The early uncluttered 1400 and 1600cc engines were just fine powerplants. You could do almost anything you needed to under the bonnet with a 13mm spanner. Can you tell we used British manuals?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
My friend's wife almost got trampled to death
blooch Friday, June 26th at 12:34PM EST (link)in The New Improved 3rd World Underground during Freaknik back in the ’90′s, when some fool set off a string of firecrackers. Hard to believe Underground has gotten worse since then, but it has.
Atlanta is long overdue for a MARTA train pileup. I’m sure there’s some serious texting going on in the driver’s seats. I took my kids for a train ride to Midtown on a bright, sunny Sunday afternoon and had to throw away my son’s puke-encrusted shoes, as well as explain certain words to them. Also, never be on the train south, east or west of Five Points when school lets out. MARTA cops are APD rejects
And speaknig of cops, steer clear of Fulton County Sheriff Deputies at all times. Run, if possible…most of them couldn’t catch you or shoot you past ten feet. Atlanta City cops are bad enough, but the deputies are patronage hacks with guns and attitude.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Read in the WSJ about banks in GA
Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 10:54AM EST (link)GA is has the third highest rate of bank failures in the country, surprisingly. Not surprisingly, nearly all the failed banks are located in and around Metro Atlanta. The WSJ did not have any information about the percentage of minority ownership of said banks for some strange reason.
I'm a ramblin wreck from Georgia Tech
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 11:17AM EST (link)Lived in GA 15 years in Marietta and Roswell up until 2000. Commuted to Georgia Tech for 4 years. I was on campus after dark maybe a handful of times in 4 years. Some bad neighborhoods right next door.
I once escorted a fellow female student to Techwood homes next to campus where she tutored a little girl. I was scared to death. We walked by drug deals, saw needles condoms in the stairwells where the kids pass by daily. Young men sitting around (obvious dealers/gangsters) were shocked that we were even there. I told my friend that her volunteering was not worth her life(she mostly went there on her own) and told her I would never go back. And I’m 6′, 230 in great shape, but no match for a weapon.
There is now some great new condo/retail/hotel developments adjacent on the north side of campus now so I’d think patrols would increase but I guess not.
When you have a sheriff (Derwin Brown in DeKalb Co) getting assassinated by his predecessor (Dorsey) because he was going to expose widespread corruption, you got big and bigger problems in the Atlanta metro.
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I'll forgive you for going to the wrong school...
fmaidment (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 5:52PM EST (link)…since you’re on RedState.
Go Dawgs!
Anyway, patrols have increased, but the criminals can see where the police are and just avoid that part of campus.
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Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 6:16PM EST (link)I was the top recruit to UGA for their orienteering team but got lost and ended up at GT
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
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fmaidment (Diary) Saturday, June 27th at 7:05PM EST (link)~deep breath~
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Born and raised in Chamblee...
Bill Higgins (Diary) Friday, June 26th at 4:31PM EST (link)But you couldn’t pay enough to go back there. When I was growing up in the 80s, you stayed away from West Atlanta.
Heck, until the Olympics came in 1996, the WORST federal housing in the country, Techwood Homes, was right next to GA Tech. You didn’t go there or to Capitol Homes either. Both are gone now, but everyone knew to stay away from the inner city except for around Peachtree Street and the downtown business district.
I’m long gone now, I live in Rome, which is 65 miles away and that suits me just fine.
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blooch Friday, June 26th at 5:19PM EST (link)When I went to CK in the ’70′s, we beat you exactly 1 time, 14-7 in ’75. I can count CK’s football wins in five years on two hands with fingers to spare. I had a good friend who went to Chamblee, Kathy Weigel. You might have known her little brother Steve. I still go to Chamblee every couple of weeks on the way to Chinatown. Best thing about Chamblee now is PDK airport.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”