This is the question that some in the Georgia legislature are attempting to put to a vote. In private, the bill, SB 10, received wide support and it’s passage was considered a swift and certain outcome.
The bill, officially known as SB 10, does not in and of itself make alcohol sales from liquor, convenience and grocery stores legal on Sunday. It legalizes a process that would allow local governments to determine if they wanted to put before their citizens a vote to determine if local community standards supported expanded alcohol sales. Supporters have positioned the bill as a vote for local control. Opponents have fought the bill as an abomination.
As the vote neared though, some of Georgia’s elected representatives got cold feet. The thought of being put on the record is a scary proposition for some, and this is turning out to be an issue where principle is not as important as image.
Most Senators privately claim that they are for this bill, but they also fear a backlash of social conservative voters, who are believed to be more “single issue” in nature when arriving at the polls. And thus, Senators this year seemed to devise a plan that would put the burden of passing this legislation on the record crop of freshmen legislators.
Is this the most pressing matter in the nation? Far from it. But if we can’t convince our politicians to act with backbone and principle on smaller issues, can we expect them to do so on the really tough votes?
This is a seemingly minor, but frequent high-drama issue at the state level. If you’re in Georgia (I’m looking at you Erick), and feel like getting this off the perpetual argument list, call your state senator and let the know that the people are quite capable of deciding this issue for themselves.
Moe Lane
PG DeFreese
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Dan Spencer
This Georgia resident would favor a bill making package alcohol sales
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, February 16th at 11:25PM EST (link)legal on Sunday statewide rather than opening it up to a 146-county (?) mish-mash.
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I'd take the mish-mash, Mr. DeVine.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, February 16th at 11:38PM EST (link)Decisions should be made at the lowest level, most local control possible… and this bill permits that.
The process as described is kind of convoluted, but that just means that the areas that will offer booze on Sunday will be the ones that have a will to change. Areas that don’t want to change don’t have to.
As for a “146 county mish-mash” .. so what? There’s already a variety of laws across the counties, from gas taxes to sales taxes to zoning laws… Try – just try – opening a nationwide fast food franchise in Helen, GA, for example. (grin)
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Some things are best handled at the state level, some local, some national and some
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:41AM EST (link)individual.
Alcohol and other similar issues like prostitution, porm, etc do generally fit into the more local category for me as well and Yes, in general, I too am a Jeffersonian re maximizing happiness pursuits via gatherings of the like-minded, but having 146 geographically small counties also presents fiefdom problems on lots of issues, like police and schools. And especially transportation.
One legal wrinkle is that the Georgia Constitution requires “state” regulation of alcohol that has, heretofore been interpreted as statewide uniformity, but no court decision has made that determination.
All I would say is that local control is not always a panacea on all issues by a long shot, and,as usual, I am averse to snap judgments, and so
more later! smile
Some times its best not to have every issue be allowed to roil communities all the time. Sometimes closure is best for all concerned. Hence the laboratories of democracy. I would say that from my own personal standpoint, of convenience, I like the idea of there being some uniform cultural meaning being attached to a State rather than it being like feudal Europe in the Middle Ages!
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Surely you exaggerate...
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 1:15AM EST (link)I fail to see how Georgia is going to devolve into the Germanies. *
No, local control is not a panacea. I’ve spent a bit of time in Georgia, though, and .. I would say that y’all already have the problems you’re describing.
If your argument is that this is another straw on the overburdened camel, I’ll see your point, but .. it doesn’t appear to me that it’ll make much of a difference.
Mew
* Germany didn’t unify as a country until relatively late in European history…
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good points acat and there is a chance that I just want to be able to get booze in all 159 counties, and speaking of aChance
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 9:17AM EST (link)there is a chance this “anonymous” email could be informed with more extensive jawja experience:
“Georgia has 159 [I was stuck on 146...maybe because SC does fine with 46?...I digress]counties; my grandmother and both my parents could recite the names of all of them. Learning that was apparently the standard in their day.
To the main point, counties covering only a few hundred square miles and only a few thousand citizens are immensely wasteful. Every one of the 159 has an independent school system, county government, and county law enforcement as well as many other services. These services are then largely duplicated by the towns and cities within the county and all of it is done all over again in the next county a dozen or so miles away in any direction. The whole structure dates back to the days of the twelve mile towns based on the distance once could reasonably travel to and return on horseback in a day. The counties should be relegated to the dustbin of history and consolidated regional governments established to give some economy of scale and reduce the number of people sucking on the public teat just because there is a teat to suck on.” – anonymous
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Yeah, Georgia has too many counties
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 10:52AM EST (link)What I would like to do is take Fulton, DeKalb, Gwinnett, Cobb, and Clayton counties all together and declare that to be the boundaries of the city of Atlanta. Too many issues end up before ‘regional commissions’ because the state doesn’t want to touch them and there are multi-jurisdictional issues at the local level.
That said, I don’t mind the idea of individual counties being able to decide whether Sunday liquor sales are ok or not. Some will, some won’t, and the ones that will will get a local tax boost.
I was amused at this line: ‘but they also fear a backlash of social conservative voters, who are believed to be more “single issue” in nature when arriving at the polls.’ And here I thought SoCons were more likely to be 3-legged conservatives? Cheap shot, I know, but it was there.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
exactly right 'rod - nt
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GC- If I understand your argument
Scope (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:45PM EST (link)correctly, I would agree that the state should just pass the law that liquor sales are legal on Sundays. No one is insisting that Liquor store owners have to open on Sundays to sell liquor. Likewise, no one is insisting that anyone must purchase liquor on Sundays. It should be a no-brainer. I did catch the diarists comment that the legislators are worried about the single issue social conservative voters. As far as I know, I don’t remember hearing of any candidate that won or lost an election based on the fact that they were for a liquor sale ban or not. Actually, I’m not aware that there can be many or any voters that vote solely on whether someone supports Sunday liquor sales.
It seems that to some it’s the purity test again. If each individual does not get a say, than it is those evil government people getting in our faces again. Look at what is going on in WI, as to the union situation. Suppose a bankrupt state, say Calif. for example, that is heavily unionized, put a question on the state ballot for the voters to vote on, asking if the unions pension and benefits should be adjusted back, in order to not fall into the Pacific ocean. How do you think each individual voter will vote. They would vote to put the state into the ocean, because it’s all about about me first. What about Egypt? They got rid of Mubarak who did not kill apostates or adulterers. In a recent poll an overwhelming majority of the people want apostates and adulterers killed. They want sharia law to be a part of the new government. So, each individual gets their say, but, it doesn’t mean that the outcome is desirable or that is is a sign of “liberty.”
amen on all that Scope and I would say that Wisconsin's libs are going Greece - nt
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Wisconson's measure has ~80% support among Wisconsonians nt
aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 18th at 2:54PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Yes, we have problems now and will till Jesus returns, and adding a constant argument over
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 9:43AM EST (link)alcohol in at least 10% of the counties all the time would not be welcome…it appears to me. But I’ve only lived here for a decade and next door for 4 decades. Then again, may acat’s occasional journeys thru Dixie is better qualifications…I remember some of your other expertisms on social conservatives and conclusions drawn about our intelligence from old recipes and moms and daughters from the past. Been saving that one to throw back atcha. May I could make a few trips up north and then expound…smile
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acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 9:53AM EST (link)Some of us learn a bit by keeping our mouths closed and our eyes and ears open…
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I have tried cases before juries in Worcester, Mass; Minneapolis, Los Angeles and
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 10:30AM EST (link)Rochester, NY…go figure. It took the juries in all but LA two days to understand me, but we won them all. Some female LA jurors told me after the case that they were dazzled by my clear, un-smog-affected eyes.
Got no idea what you meant by your comment (so I added the above non sequitur), but would just add that your conclusions about Southerners and social conservatives visa vis non-Southerners and non-social conservatives indicate that you didn’t keep your mouth shut enough and, more significantly, that you didn’t stay long enough.
just saying
cock-a-doodle-do
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So .. what's your point?
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 10:59AM EST (link)Been to most corners of the country, tried to learn what makes people tick instead of being the “ugly american” in cut-off jeans, a bad hawaiian shirt, and birkenstocks… for some reason, most folks like to talk about themselves and what they do, once you get beyond the initial mistrust.
I haven’t met any perfect people yet, so I’m sure I’ve also gotten stuff wrong. So what? I’m sure you’ll correct me if I make a major faux-pas like putting Baton Rouge in Mississippi, or confusing good Alabama barbecue with what they serve in Texas. (Texas BBQ – grill a steak, rub with brown sugar and chili powder, slice thin…)
I’m not a “numbers” geek. I don’t dig through poll internals. That’d be Neil, and it’s a valuable thing… but it’s not what I do. What I do is to listen .. and ask questions to make sure I’m hearing correctly .. and draw my own conclusions. You can assert they’re wrong all you like, that’s your perogative, counselor. If you’re doubting me, that’s good – maybe you’ll post some counter-facts (instead of going down rabbit trails) and we can get somewhere.
As to your non-sequitor – how do I know that this Mike DeVine is the same as that Mike DeVine? On the internet, nobody can tell you’re not a blind dog, eh?
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This was a preemptive strike against the at least bi-monthly dribble of ridiculous stereotyping against supposed one-dimensional so-cons
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 11:31AM EST (link)as being one issue (Life and marriage, but oh, thats two) neanderthals that supposedly are part of the Big Guv moderate crowd of ruling class elites. When the fact is and the numbers prove that so-cons are the most three-legged conservatives one will find.
I consider that dribble to be bigoted but am usually restrained in my reaction to such crap that I find to be offensive to me and all Southerners and Christians. So I thought that I would get in a pre-emeptive strike for a change. I have often spoken of my and other Southerners ‘superiority complex given our years of history of having to learn not to stereotype others, even after 4 states voted for Catholic JFK in 1960.
This was probably inspired by my week of excruciating pain from a physical malady, so, as usual, I will be the big man and apologize since I know better and will revert back to regular southern hospitality mode and indulge the certain future anti-Southern and anti-Christian bigotry here that no one ever apologizes for because either because they are ignorant of that what they conclude about us from anecdotes is bigoted or they are venal.
I am now satisfied. I have posted counter-facts ad nauseum but a certain crowd here never listens and learns, so wise they are from “travels”.
Voting loyalty be damned. Some have just decided that so-con Repubs are the reason Dems hold power.
Now, maybe some here know I feel.
Back to being nice. Venting helps sometimes. Me anyway. Not a perfect person here, but I am one that waved goodbye to so-cons in the 70s and 80s from my then Dem Party mainly due to fiscal and nat security issues. And that the GOP has never lost an election due to social issues or due to lack of turnout by so-cons even when the candidates are McCains or 41s or Doles.
That is my point. If you don’t get it, I’m sorry.
Rant over and back to work.
PS It was you that reached some great metaphysical conclusions about Southerners based on how a daughter used a recipe from a mom? Right?
If not, then I will quote SNL’s Rossana Dana?
Never mind!
smile
seriously, rant over
been a bad week
and I am regularly closed mouth at the bigotry against Southerners and Christians around here, and so, I vented
no big whoop
I hope those here that endured this rooster rant will be as forgiving for 364 days/year as I am
no more later
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acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:18PM EST (link)If I could take the heat, I’d live in the South. (yes, just what you need, another d*mn yankee neighbor…) I agree that southerners get a bad rap – there’s a lot more to the South than most of us yankees ever see, mostly hard working people who take care of their own, in my admittedly limited experience. I am not one of you.
As to a mother and daughter cooking together, I fail, at this time, to see any deep meaning, beyond that recipes aren’t the only things that get passed down through generations .. they’re just one of the things we can observe.
To your point on voting, I’ve seen no polls from you indicating SoCons are “the most reliable” .. and I have seen polling from Bill S. indicating SoCons did stay home at one point. My issue with SoCons isn’t on voting day, it’s the lack of apparent involvement in getting the best candidates, and in re-evaluating incumbents. As the majority of the party, especially in the South, this is of critical importance and .. it just doesn’t seem to have been happening.
Hope you have a better week.
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lack of "apparent" involvement - BINGO! all acat-anecdotal with no factual basis re your "apparent" and "seem"
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:28PM EST (link)and yes, there is abundant voting data that shows that it was the David Brooks establishment type moderates that are the ones that crave McCains and then vote Dem or stay home.
This has all been provided ad nauseum, but ignored.
Now, gamecock returns to his usual cool-364 day a year mode (365 in leap years).
One can make any claim re “involvement” when the standard is “apparent” and “seems”.
get it
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To your point, Gamecock...
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:45PM EST (link)let’s take Alabama as an example.
Explain to me how it makes sense for a State that has that many SoCons, and great barbecue, can keep returning Sen. Shelby. I’ll grant he’s a blue-dog-turned Republican – and a good example of both – but .. he’s been in the Senate since 1987 and has done .. what? .. to advance the cause of social conservatism?
The people of Utah – also social conservatives, but with a more fusionist attitude – voted out their RINO, why does Shelby get a pass?
I’m seriously interested in how this is not “we sent a good person to D.C. now leave him alone to do his job”.
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It is not explained by seeming apparentcies and it seems that GC seems to have apparently failed again? to
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 1:55PM EST (link)make my point, as acat again changes the subject to a matter that to be seriously treated would require much research and contemplation to unwrap the assumptions therein that would also obtain in most other states that have seen their senators become professional incumbant pols in DC.
Why not direct stereotypes and assimptions at those less conservative than Shelby (and there are many) that hail from non-Southern abodes?
That is my point for today. I haven’t the time nor inclination for another endless changing of the subject based on false assumptions.
Am I happy with Shelby? No, especially when compared to Sessions. But I am sure you will find that Shelby’s voting record contains many great conservative votes on fiscal, social (see especially judges) and national security matters that would favorably compare with most other Republicans and conservatives.
I too am seriously interested in how, despite the fact of polls showing most Americans are conservative or center-right, that we don’t get enough rock-solid small govt, pro-life and marriage, strong on defense, non-appropriators from all parts of the country.
I suspect the answer is decidedly non-Southern and non-Christian and the fault lies much less with those in the coalition that are social conservatives. You will find many more republicans that are ONLY fiscal cons and not strong on the other two legs than vice-versa.
Hence my resentment of your whole, unsubstantiated premise.
Getting my point yet enough to concede or do you have another easy question along the lines of why Rome fell?
smile
btw, my car started….on to the brewskis after a week in pain or on pain med dizzziness
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Your premise is faulty. The remainder of your argument fails to impress.
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:31PM EST (link)Yes, I do argue from anecdote. As I said, I’m not a numbers person. I can do numbers, it’s a choice since numbers are merely – as you say – laborious work; arguing from anecdote is something I’ve not done well in the past.
Where you go awry, though, is in assuming that because I’m not a southern social conservative, that I am somehow in opposition to southerners and/or social conservatives. This is inaccurate.
What I see is you asserting – again, without digging up the proofs – that you’ve got the best voters. I have not disputed this. Involvement goes beyond the voting booth, though – and my sidestep to Sessions v. Shelby points this out.
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I have no premise. I am on defense.You are the one that seeks to blame so-cons disproportionately for the disconnect
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 7:21PM EST (link)between conservative people and those that are elected and what they become in DC and how the incumbents stay there. You admit you have no basis for your claims. Thanks. I consider the whole attack on so-cons on this matter and on others at Redstate, mainly of the libertarian variety but also by the lazy one-issue fiscal-cons that have not done their homework on exactly how they would fix the deficits and debt as entirely without merit. The spectacle we see now in DC is that even those that emphasize fiscal issues above all else seem to lack the courage of their convictions or are simply not very smart.
I consider the whole attack on social conservatives as wholly illegitimate and a waste of time and tinged with bigotry. I vented today on my own motion.
Now, I will move on to actual pressing issues like the battle with liberals over the debt and deficits and ObamaCare in DC and the states.
God bless and I don’t doubt your sincerity and good motives as well as some other s that regularly wax ad nauseum based on the false premises against s-cons.
i hope that debate will not waste anymore bandwidth so that we can focus on getting the elites, appropriators and others in the ruling class, a club that is singularly closed to pro-lifers that dare raise their voices above a whisper.
For it is those elites that are now betraying the 2010 wave election.
God bless
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one more cockwalski: The definition of a social conservative is quite simple
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 7:24PM EST (link)opposes abortion for all but life of mother (and some add rape and incest)
wants justices of sup ct that don’t re-write the constitution and thus want Roe and Casey overturned
oppose re-defining marriage
The vast and overwhelming majority of Republicans and conservatives agree with the above.
Those that seek to define so-cons by the fringe groups are stupid.
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Huh. Gamecock calls cat a SoCon.
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 8:50PM EST (link)Because I agree with you right down that line… including not forcing churches to re-define marriage.
Go figure.
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That's right, now get off the kitchen table and get busy organizing or something! love you brother - nt
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and thx for the wishes re better week - just went outside and my car wouldn't start - I kid
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:31PM EST (link)you not.
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Eat a frog first thing in the morning, and nothing worse can happen to you all day.
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:46PM EST (link)Substitue arguing with a liberal if you like.
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While walking through a food court in Singapore
NightTwister (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 1:03PM EST (link)a coworker pointed to a tray filled with live frogs and said, “those aren’t pets”.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
if you cut off the legs and fry them...tastes like chicken...same with old boots...nt
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GC, I'm not one to jump into a cat/cock squabble AND it's completely O/T
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 11:01AM EST (link)but since you’ve now outed yourself as having traveled abroad to where the sun doesn’t always shine, this poor y*kee would love to know your thoughts re our own little 2nd District constitutional scuffle here, Bronx Household of Faith v. Board of Education of the City of New York , and on a related note, have you worked for ADF (’cause if you haven’t, they sure could use you)?
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Unfamiliar with "ADF" and the civil legal matter, but will look into same
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:30PM EST (link)if you will reply with links
God Bless
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Since you asked, GC
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 1:02PM EST (link)with apologies to f2000 for threadjack–and since I saw upthread that you have done constitutional cases before, ours is a long-brewing (1994) 1st-amendment challenge to a state proscription on worship services during off-hours in a rented public facility. The latest of 3 opinions (we’re waiting on the 4th) is here:
U.S. Court of Appeals 2nd Circuit:
BRONX HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH v. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF CITY OF NEW YORK 10
“ADF” is the Christian-rooted constitutional team that has taken us through the 4 cases: Alliance Defense Fund . Seriously, Mike, they’re crackerjacks and would welcome your skill and spunk.
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soli Deo gloria
Oh yeah, is that Sekulow's legal group? I'll look into this over the weekend and get back on it
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:02PM EST (link)may write a column
And yes, would love to work with them! May send them a resume. Thx guy.
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GC, Sekulow is actually ACLJ
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:59PM EST (link)and I don’t know particulars of how the 2 teams differ, only that ADF is topnotch.
Our chief counsel, Jordan Lorence, got this editorial onto the Daily News opinion page a year ago: Give Churches Space in Vacant City Schools.
There seems to be whole lot more evangelical Christians up here in dark blue Yankee-land these days–more than I’ve seen in decades–and many have their eyes on this, especially in real-estate-starved NYC, where a church plant can’t just buy a couple acres out on the edge of town; it looks like 60+ churches are now meeting in schools due to this case.
Would love to know your thoughts. Let me know if you do write something.
Gotta go before I make you an accessory to blamicide.
Thanks for your time.
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soli Deo gloria
Were you writing this at the Big Chicken? nt
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 11:20AM EST (link)Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Stone Mountain but I have met many a client at the Big Chicken! - nt
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No real G'cock worth his cluck
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:42PM EST (link)wouldn’t go without roosting at the Big Chicken every once in awhile, as well as Waffle House. Well done.
cockadoodledo…LOL
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
I have a "branch office" at the Tucker, GA waffle house - nt
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I stopped going to the Big Chicken KFC
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:16PM EST (link)Even though it’s the closest KFC to my house (I don’t count combined Taco Bell/KFCs). They never seem to have extra crispy chicken there, go figure– last time we tried they made us wait for 30 minutes then still didn’t have any.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Well...
zroxx (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 10:43AM EST (link)The lowest level of decision making is at the individual level. Let the establishment owners decide what day they do or don’t want to sell booze on and then let the citizens decide whether they want to buy on any particular day.
If a critical mass of people in any given community don’t want to buy booze on Sunday then it wont be any different than if one county bans it and its people drive 10 minutes to the store in the adjoining county.
Get the State out of Blue Laws entirely. It’s an otherwise legal product and a ban on Sunday has nothing whatsoever to do with justice.
How do you feel about Daylight Savings Time?
blooch Thursday, February 17th at 11:11AM EST (link)Or Time Zones? Or time in general? It’s unjust that we have these arbitrary hour things forced upon us by the State. Don’t you find it ironic that a Communist nation like China does not fetter its citzens with Time Zones?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Hmmm...
zroxx (Diary) Friday, February 18th at 11:15AM EST (link)Not sure what this has to do with the State letting business owners decide whether to sell booze on Sunday or not.
But I’m open minded on the time zone thing. The early goal of Daylight Savings Time was energy conservation but I don’t see a preponderance of evidence to suggest we gain anything positive from it now whether energy, economically, or otherwise. Anything you give the government a chance to fiddle with, they probably will, resulting in necessary changes to, for example, computer date/time software and configurations and the expenses that go along with.
Having said that and being willing to hear alternatives to the “PST/MST/CST/EST regime”, I’ll note that right now the State isn’t putting anyone in Georgia who defiantly claims it’s 1:00pm in the middle of the night into jail.
But I could be convinced to accord misdemeanor status to comments with a signature block twice as large as the content…
I knew you had a little regulator in you.
blooch Friday, February 18th at 1:30PM EST (link)Why don’t you ask Erick for a badge so you can administer some justice?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
heheh, thanks for that
zroxx (Diary) Friday, February 18th at 5:41PM EST (link)Good one, I like it. I’ll put in a sunset clause so he’ll have to vote to extend it in one year or let it expire!
God said so and you heard him!
hairbaggs Thursday, February 17th at 11:25AM EST (link)Abolition of alcohol has always worked so well. kinda like the war on drugs. We can thank all the God fearing people who are going to save us from ourselves for the phenomenal rise of organized crime. Human intelligence is the most over rated commodity on this planet of the apes.
in 1985 in GA, there was no open container law
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 11:28AM EST (link)but you couldn’t buy alcohol on Sundays
Whatever they do about the blue laws I think they should pass a law that Chick Fil A be open on Sundays! But Truett just won’t allow it and his kids will probably uphold the tradition after he is gone, well, for awhile.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
I know of at least two drive-thru liquor stores in the Atlanta area. (n/t)
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:25PM EST (link).
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
coincidentally, just got in car to go to lunch and then have adult beverages and my car wouldn't start! - life sucks - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:41PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I'm sure they will let you "walk-through", GC! nt
nessa (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 12:51PM EST (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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Car started...seems the little gas drained down after not
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:05PM EST (link)being started for days during my convalesence…on my way to get a quart of Southern Comfort whiskey without leaving the front seat…after filling up at QuickTrip.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
A ray of sunshine found its way into your day!
nessa (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:31PM EST (link)I gave it up but I do remember the pretty color of a ray of sunshine filtered through brown whiskey. You’ve earned it!
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to Unified Patriots
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Car started...seems the little gas drained down after not
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 2:05PM EST (link)being started for days during my convalesence…on my way to get a quart of Southern Comfort whiskey without leaving the front seat…after filling up at QuickTrip.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Very conservative, non-drinking GA-an
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 6:01PM EST (link)And I think they should do away with the blue laws.
After having a drunk blow out my mailbox on a Sunday afternoon, I have bought into the “let them drink at home” mantra.
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