The Federal Government Is Moving To Seize All 401K Plans – Hearings Scheduled.


The United States Department Of Labor in ‘partnership’ with The United States Department Of The Treasury convene a two-day hearing on September 14th and 15th.

Host: The Employee Benefits Security Administration (Dept. Of Labor).

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The title: Lifetime Income Options For Retirement Plans.

U.S. Department of Labor publishes agenda for September 14-15 joint hearing on lifetime income options for retirement plans.

Washington — Today the U. S. Department of Labor’s Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA) released the agenda for the upcoming joint hearing with the Department of the Treasury on lifetime income options for retirement plans.  Accompanying the agenda are copies of the witnesses’ requests to testify and testimony outlines.  The hearing begins at 9:00 a.m. (EST) on September 14 and 15, 2010.  The hearing will be held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, 200 Constitution Avenue, NW in Washington, D.C.

A live webcast of the hearing will be available on EBSA’s Web site at www.dol.gov/ebsa.  The agenda and requests to testify are available on EBSA’s Web site at www.dol.gov/ebsa.  Individuals planning to attend the hearing should provide contact information by email to e-ORI@dol.gov and arrive at least 15 minutes prior to the start of the hearing to expedite entrance into the building.

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The two-day hearing agenda (PDF) - Lifetime Income Options For Retirement Plan – Hearing Agenda – September 14 & 15 2010.


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I’m the last person around here who could competently (or civilly) opine regarding this kind of thing, so it would be nice if somebody could please research this thoroughly – especially delving into the folks on the list to speak.

We’re entering an extremely dangerous time in our nation – powder-keg-dangerous….. The left already has thousands of lit matches in hand and they’re the antithesis to anything safety related

On a personal note, I’ve already had to cash in one of my two 401K plans – I was laid off back in July and that money is the only way I can keep a roof over my head, eat, pay bills, etc. for the foreseeable future – you know, the used-to-be-normal life things a few people in America like to be involved with.

I have one more 401K left to my name and it’s not big at all.  If this Totalitarian disaster-in-the-making / tipping point for a real revolution gains traction, I’ll cash in that 401K, pay the penalty and tax, stash my money in vehicles where I know it will remain mine and have some of it do good on my behalf (at least one ammo purchase comes to mind), then go from there.

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Kenny Solomon

The framers of our Constitution knew that the government should never have a monopoly on force.  That’s why they articulated our God given right to self defense and ensured the right to keep and bear arms was written in our Bill of Rights.  Let’s not forget: George Washington didn’t use his right to free speech to defeat the British.   He shot them.

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Kenny, I'm afraid

louisiana (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 10:45AM EST (link)

any money taken out of 401K or from any other source is going to be useful only as toilet paper. I don’t think it’s a question of if the dollar will fall, but when. We have so much debt that it can’t even be covered by raising taxes, or stealing our 401K’s. Other countries are contemplating dumping the dollar now. I truly think hyperinflation will hit & it will be worse than Zimbabwe. At least Zimbabwe recovered somewhat by using black market dollars–so what do we fall back on? Use to think Gerald Calente was *crying wolf*– now, not so much.

What does the rest of the world fall back on?

Raven (Diary) Monday, August 30th at 3:15PM EST (link)

There still is nothing else.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 
 

I had to cash in my 401k in 2007

eastbaylarry (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 12:57PM EST (link)

and it only allowed me to keep my house one year longer. I now wish I had invested it in ammo instead.

2+2=4 dammit!

 

This threat has been out there for almost 2 years now

The_Rebel (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 1:09PM EST (link)

but it seems to be reaching that critical juncture with this hearing next month.

Back in February, John Hinderaker of Powerline penned this diary:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/02/025646.php

This really explains what the Obama power grab is all about in simple terms.

 

Most 401K plans

Scope (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 2:45PM EST (link)

that I know of are in stocks. Anyone still in the stock market is playing russian roulette with their money. Reading a few days ago that the DOW will likely go down to around 5,000 isn’t far fetched, and, it will probably happen the day the feds decide to take over the 401K’s. With the current regime, I can’t understand how it has remained above 10,000 for as long as it has. I have long suspected manipulation. Soros just invested $35 million in India’s stock market, and, I believe it bought him something like a 25% ownership. He almost broke the Bank of England, and, he did damage to France’s economy in the past.

My husband’s 401K, through a former employer, was cashed in 2 years ago when I lost my well paying job. Pretty tough out there when there aren’t even jobs at the local convenience store/gas station. We’re not quite at the hot dogs and baked beans point yet, but even if we do get to that point, I ain’t living off government largess. I can live all winter, if necessary off my freezer full of my own home grown.

Actually, I like baked beans, but seriously

The_Rebel (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 3:51PM EST (link)

I think many 401(k) plans are heavily invested in guaranteed funds and bond funds. Our company’s plan has about 40% of its assets in a guaranteed fund, which guarantees an interest rate for this year of 3.8%. That fund is essentially a bond fund. And another 10% is invested directly with bond funds, and 20-25% is invested in balanced funds, which include both stocks and bonds. Only about 25-30% of the company’s 401(k) assets are invested directly with stock funds.

I would think that this breakdown is representative of many 401(k) plans out there today. People have wised up to the stock market. That is why even during the July rally, billions were still being redeemed from stock funds by individual investors. Plus the fact that many, like you, have had to cash out their 401′s, incur loans against them, or take hardship withdrawals for medical, housing, and other reasons.

Hope things work out ok for you and yours.

Rebel- Sorry for the late reply

Scope (Diary) Saturday, August 28th at 1:38PM EST (link)

and I truly have so very little knowledge of the markets, and the types of funds, gurranteed or otherwise. I saw a headline on Drudge a day or so ago that indicated that the US may have to default on our bonds. I also keep thinking that the more and more dollars that we are printing, to buy our own debt, makes me a little nervous about what values, or guaranteed interest one can count on realistically. It seems that if the feds do go after the 401K accounts, they will leave no stone unturned as to what they are willing to grab.

I think the mattress approach is best until all the uncertainty is removed by a new governing body.

 
 
 

Stock funds saw nearly $17 billion in net cash outflow in the second quarter alone,

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, August 27th at 8:56PM EST (link)

“Mutual fund investors are nervous. Stock funds saw nearly $17 billion in net cash outflow in the second quarter alone, and flows have been negative in every week since then. Since 2008 began, net cash outflow from equity funds has totaled $234 billion.” CBS marketwatch.

investors have left the building, high frequency trading computers are much of the volume now. The flash crash was not a fat finger, but rather the computers were unplugged. scary stuff.

So the Dow is still around 10k after all these outflows? hmm mmmm

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

Mentioned this in another thread, me, a non-

cactusjack Friday, August 27th at 9:56PM EST (link)

finance type, in the course of business tripped over irrefutable evidence that millions and millions of $ from big public pension funds are moving, like a veritable cattle drive, and the interesting thing is not just why, but *where*. Speaking of Cowboys, one more reason Obama cannot allow Texas to effect some kind of separation or dissociation from the other 49, or continue pulling away from them economically – no kidding – the new Texas Dollars, backed by oil and a strong manufacturing base, would quickly become preferred currency in the rest of the US, hastening the collapse of the hyperinflated greenback. The currencies would co exist with a floating exchange rate, but the Greenback would follow the TexDollar. 90 % of Americans dont think of this stuff but you better believe the 0s gang are which is why they have already started preemptive strikes on regional economies.

veeery, very interesting. /nt

Veronica (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 12:25PM EST (link)

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Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine

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I just semi-made a command decision on something.

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, August 30th at 1:38AM EST (link)

Haven’t been able to sleep normally since losing my job. it happens when it happens – not like I have anywhere to go (except the 100 yard “stress relief center” or relaxing on the golf course where I live).

I’m now looking into starting my own business in the field that just abandoned me due to government budget cuts…….. Yes, in this economy…… A start-up.

‘Tis a bit on the expensive side for the surveillance/access control electronics and cable, but I know people, I (ain’t) got money. But I know deep down that I’ll git-r-done if I set my mind to it

Maybe soon I take a huge deep breath, hold my nose (and other openings tightly shut), then dive in with all four eyes wide open, one hand on steel at all times.

;)

If I do it though, the unemployment compensation I’m currently receiving will instantly stop.

Gulp.

Gotta talk to a pencil pusher and see what’s what.

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As for having food and other things on hand, I live in hurricane central. South Flori-duh, near Ft. Lauderdale.

On a normal day, I’ve got ‘a significant amount’ of shelf-stable stored food and bottled water, plus supplies (read that as ‘all sorts of SHTF gear’, including things for my toys that go bang).

I live alone, so you may not believe me if I actually say how much that ‘significant amount’ actually happens to be.

Best of luck (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 30th at 2:06AM EST (link)

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

ditto /nt

Veronica (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 12:27PM EST (link)

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Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine

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Well, in most states the UI only stops when you tell them

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 30th at 2:03AM EST (link)

and they don’t have much in the way of audit capability. Hell, Kenny, you paid for the UI; it ain’t welfare, it’s insurance.

I’ve been there with no airspeed or altitude, and not even a well-formed idea. We get by. Luck is for losers, winners are prepared, and it sounds like you’re prepared.

In Vino Veritas

 

Every day 10,000 baby boomers become eligible for social security

katesmith (Diary) Monday, August 30th at 5:44AM EST (link)

In George Will column yesterday. Maybe they need the 401K money to pay the 10,000 new people per day expecting a check from Obama. You’re right, this will be interesting. I got a notice in the mail yesterday that my health insurance (which is mainly for hospitalization) is going up $250 per month in Jan. 2011 due to requirements in Obama’s health plan, but they won’t be adding anything worthwhile. I don’t plan on signing up again. Very interesting.