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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist.
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.
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Date of arraignment: 7 December. No way that’s a coincidence.
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Other than that, I am absolutely speechless.
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Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 8:11PM EST (link)and is showing the world what cowards we are. I’m really thinking that December 7th is going to be a bad day.
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This is just amazing...
larueladue (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 8:21PM EST (link)Navy SEALs are not common constables, and should not be treated as such. Aren’t we at war?!?!
Liberal lack of mentallity. The criminals are the victims.
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 8:28PM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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So, let me get this straight
Wing Zero (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 8:27PM EST (link)Navy seals capture a wanted Terrorist.
Terrorist – liar – Murderer says “Those mean ol’ Seals hit me!”
Navy wants non-judicial punishment. So we’re taking the word of a lying terrorist over Navy Seals…
Seals call for a Captain’s Mast.
Why didn’t this go away the minute the Terrorist started calling abuse. My response would have been something like “You’re lucky they didn’t kill you.”
1-21-09 – We are so screwed… Wait… maybe not just yet.
I read this earlier
makemyday (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 9:10PM EST (link)and got stepped on for mentioning something not so nice for Bro Obama in another diary.
The Seals in fact were to be given a Captains Mast (non-judicial punishment) but as is their right, they instead opted for a Courts Marshall. Should make a show trial which they will be able to call witnesses and cross examine. Their day in court if you will.
I did ops (insertion/extraction/fire support) with these guys in Vietnam and they are some of the most professional, dedicated, disciplined soldiers we have.
Obama is eating his own if he starts down this path.
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
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“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
First, we kill all the lawyers.
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 9:56PM EST (link)I’ve held JAG Officers in much lower regard than ambulance chasers like John Edwards for years. This pretty well reinforces my opinion that they are the very worst of scum.
No JAG Officer should be allowed to serve in a JAG unit until they’ve served one full term as an enlisted combat infantryman.
Why the bile toward the JAGs?
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 10:38AM EST (link)This is uncalled for. The Navy’s legal officers use their special skill set in service to our country. They have the uniform on. They are deployed to the same gosh forsaken countries everyone else is. Their families are suffering without them this Thanksgiving too.
That they aren’t and (most) never have been on the front lines doesn’t make them any less worthy of your respect.
The JAG officers that were in my units were simultaneously responsible for:
1. Reviewing rules of engagement. This is a grave responsibility and the JAG officers I knew performed it dutifully.
2. Preparing wills and powers of attorney. Hundreds and hundreds especially right before deployment.
3. Processing out problem children and out of standards individuals.
4. Dealing with the legal paperwork generated by an organization full of 18-24 year olds who have a ton of rules and regulations to live by in addition to all the other pitfalls of youth.
5. Giving preliminary legal advice to drop-ins who have gotten swindled by car dealers, credit providers, or ex-wives.
6. Organizing PIs, command investigations, DRBs, XOI and Captain’s Mast.
7. Random cats and dogs, like dealing with the monetary claim that ensued when an Turkish orphan cracked his head on a tour of the ship during a goodwill port call.
With all this other stuff on their plates, I am sure that the JAG officers would have found a way to put this case to bed a long time ago if they could.
They are good people. It is unfortunate that you hate them so much.
Here is the point
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 10:50AM EST (link)Who forced the charges to be brought? Who had the discretion to make this disaster go away? Was it the JAGS, or are they doing the bidding of someone else?
I do not know the answers to those questions, but whoever could have made this go away and did not deserves what they will soon get. Sounds like a higher up wanted them to take a non-judicial punishment and the SEALS essentially told them to go to hell.
The JAG doesn't decide when to bring charges...
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:19AM EST (link)…they advise the Commander who then decides. This could all have been dropped at any point by a Commander with balls, there doesn’t seem to have been one involved.
Jack, your comment, “Sounds like a higher up wanted them to take a non-judicial punishment and the SEALS essentially told them to go to hell.” is right on the money, it could have been kept quiet until they decided to hold out for Court Martial. we’ll soon find out who the spineless individuals who were more concerned with advancing their careers than with doing the right thing were. Much to their chagrin…
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technically true
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:42AM EST (link)but in reality when your SJA tells you that an act has transpired which he is willing to take to a court martial, it takes a commander with a huge set of cojones to take a pass on it.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Right Streiff, he starts with an Article 33 investigation...
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:06PM EST (link)…looks at the results and says, “Oh the terrorist got a split lip, who gives a rats a$$?” then calls the JAG and reams him a new one. At the same time the Commander’s enlisted counter-part, the Chief, is having a come to Jesus with the senior NCO from the JAG department. That should go something like this, “You need to get your Officer under control, WTF are you thinking? If I ever see some chicken sh!t BS like this again I’m going to have both of you living in a GP Medium in Antarctica doing powers of attorney for penguins and fat f-ing walruses, until you retire.”
Then the Commander answers the mail from whoever filed the complaint, saying basically the same thing his CSM just told the JAG NCO.
As you mentioned, it takes cajones, you take the hard right over the easy wrong, EVERY TIME and trust that your career will come out better for it. In this instance in my honest, senior NCOs opinion, someone failed this test of faith, failed miserably. He decided to throw his Troopers under the bus to protect his career because of the opinions of people above him in the Chain of Command. This kind of failure originates at the top.
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except that we don't anymore
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:15PM EST (link)take the Haditha courts martial, for instance. A stand-up guy like General Mattis let these cases go to trial and allowed the careers of several Marines to be ruined. When one looks at the sequence of events one is left with the conclusion that the USMC chain of command was afraid not to court martial those Marines.
If you are interested in getting promoted again you’re not going to be known as the commander who *didn’t* prosecute potential war criminals.
It is a sorry state of affairs when commanders start looking out for the welfare of terrorists instead of their men.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Absolutely right Streiff!
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:42PM EST (link)Another example of the PC infecting today’s military.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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My guess is that the original charge came from Iraqis.
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:35PM EST (link)I don’t like working from initial sketchy info, but based on the small leaked report on Fox news, I would say that Abed got the ear of a sympathetic Iraqi. Once it gained traction on the Iraqi side, it had to be reported up the American chain of command quickly before anybody in Tampa or DC got blind sided by a media question. Once it got to the higher ups, it was out of the hands of the local commanders.
I am also going to go out on a limb here and guess that after Abu Ghraib, a specific reporting mechanism was put in place for reports of detainee abuse. I am also going to guess that such mechanism involves a 3AM type phone call to the White House. My opinion is that Obama knew about this very early on.
Not exactly "charge" Uma.
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:46PM EST (link)The Iraqis, like any foreign government can’t “charge” our folks. The article linked says the original report came from the Iraqis. the decision to charge or not to charge still lies in American hands. At least until BHO and the dems can throw our military under the international court bus.
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"Charge" as in "accusation" (nt)
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 12:50PM EST (link)nt
First of all Uma, I don't give a damn where the "original" charge came from.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 9:41PM EST (link)It’s our military that presses it. See Haditha.
And while I won’t talk about Obama because I’ll get banned, please note that this politically correct bulls**t has been going on for at least the last nine years.
The point here is that we are sending men into harm’s way and then prosecuting them when they do their duty. The goddamn lawyers have created an atmosphere in the military just like product liability lawyers have created an atmosphere in product design. The difference is that product design just raises the price, messing with the military will cost the lives and career of our very best.
We have JAG Officers assigned at all levels who vet war plans and operational plans. They’ve signaled that we don’t have a clue what really amounts to torture with AG crap and now they are moving to create a situation where an infantry rifleman may well hesitate in a shootout because he’s concerned that he will be prosecuted. See this particular action, Haditha and the young Marine who shot a terrorist “on camera” and was arrested for murder during the house-to-house clearing in Iraq.
I am absolutely serious that I would not allow a JAG Officer to even look at an action plan, or comment on anything other than offering legal advice to members of the military in divorce, routine traffic or civil issues unless they’ve been an infantry soldier/Marine in a combat unit.
I will repeat, JAG “IS” the problem here. They are costing the lives of men who are far better than they are. Shakespeare was absolutely right and I don’t mean it in a “hypothetical” way either.
Symptoms vs. Causes
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:24PM EST (link)I disagree. The message may have gone south, but the messengers aren’t the problem. It is easy to demonize the JAG corps, but doing so is an oversimplification.
Military lawyers don’t get paid by the hour. I don’t see the same incentive for them to be zealous about litigating in a way similar to trial lawyers.
JAGs would not be fundamentally involved in the ROE process unless someone wanted them there.
A naval command that has no JAG in house usually appoints an unlucky junior officer as the collateral duty “legal officer.” Whether the officer receives any formal training to do the job is a coin toss, yet the end result is the same: The main responsibility is to keep the Commanding Officer out of jail. (There is a good start for a chicken-egg dispute.)
I don’t think the character of our leaders has changed all that much. If risk aversion were the exception rather than the rule, Admiral Farragut’s words wouldn’t have been quite so memorable.
Some things have changed, for both better and worse:
-Multiple, quick communications paths are helpful for command, control, and intelligence, but they reduce the autonomy of the commander.
-A rapid event to home front news cycle improves morale, but prevents the military from shaping the narrative.
-Technological leaps such as GPS guidance have improved weaponry and targeting, but have eroded the use of plausible deniability.
-A literate enlisted force allows for technical specialties, but also creates an environment where authority is questioned.
Anyway, I don’t know what the problem is, but I think it is bigger than the lawyers.
No "do overs"
SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:20AM EST (link)Jack_Savage
No defense of this action, but as far as I know it’s one of those things that once charges get laid with the chain of command, they can’t just be made to “go away”.
Someone in the local chain got the complaint, made a decision to CYA and send the complaint up the chain along with putting it on the record causing the machinery of military justice to start grinding away with these fine defenders of ours as the grease for the wheels.
Doesn’t make it right by any means, but once something gets the military justice machine going it has to do it’s thing. Unless Obama is insane, or the Navy leadership is insane their will be a pre-trial hearing on the charges and the charges will be dismissed at the hearing as unfounded.
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SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:28AM EST (link)nessa
Will the officer who was supposed to investigate before making the charges be named in the court proceedings and be forced to explain why he/she made the decision to explain why they did so?
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streiff (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:44AM EST (link)the Article 32 investigation will be made be made public. It may already be public if they are proceeding to court in January. He won’t be called to testify but he has to lay out his reasoning in recommending a court martial.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
That is certainly plausible
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 6:18PM EST (link)And after Abu Gharib, it seems no one wanted this nuclear potato resting on their desk. I admire the SEALS for forcing the issue, and not letting the higher ups cover their own asses with a non-judicial punishment.
What this boils down to is that the anti-military liberals have the military exaclty where they want them – scared to death and unable to perform their function, turning into PC rubble. If the libs had their way everyone in the armed forces would be ringing bells at kettles right now.
There was a time that JAG officers were like more
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 10:53AM EST (link)but over the last 2 decades and in the last 5 years, they’ve seen to become really bad. I think I’d hate them too because what was done was not on the level of Court Martial.
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It's their own fault
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 11:36PM EST (link)First of all, every Navy Seal should have an attorney present during all operations. I mean, heck, EVERYONE knows that. Second, the people this guy killed, mutilated and hung from a bridge were evil mercenaries. I mean, didn’t these guys get the message from Daily Kos that since they were helping the US military, they deserved what they got?
Sarcasm off – what should have been done is every helicopter in the area should have left the ground, headed toward that bridge, and shot every worthless son of a bitch within five miles of those bodies. I highly doubt we would have had the Battle Of Fallujah if that had happened – more likely it would have been the We Love America Please Come In And Have A CupCake And Please Don’t Kill Us butt licking of Fallujah.
Bitter tears over this
proudmarinemom (Diary) Tuesday, November 24th at 11:44PM EST (link)This cannot be. Those Navy SEALS have mothers and fathers and wives and children who should not have to endure this.
My heart hurts for my country, which has lost its way. My heart breaks for those men and their families. My heart fears for my son, who could just as easily be charged with a crime for offering his service to his country. He is only 21 and has given up so much since enlisting right out of high school, missing the next two Christmases after that, and sacrificed so much. For what? For the possibilty of something like this? This story is going to all the military recruitment offices in my area. Back atcha, JAG, et al.
God help this troubled Nation.
proudmarinemom- I share your tears
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:36AM EST (link)when I heard this story break yesterday morning, I was so angry, and I literally cried for what is happening to our military members. In the past, hearing Murtha say our Marines were terriorists, and, Kerry saying our military members were going into homes, in the dead of night, and scaring women and children, and disrupting their traditions was bad enough. I guess it was the sign of what was to come with the election of a bunch of Liberal devils. It seems to me that they are denigrating our military to the point where enlistments will take a dive, and re-enlistments will not happen.
A fat lip?
tennesseefreedom (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:40AM EST (link)That is all he got? And he is complaining? That joker is lucky he didn’t get a double tap to the forehead. After what he did and helped do to those 4 Blackwater employees…my goodness. What are we doing as a nation when we do this to our Navy Seals? The new U.S. under Obama…give the terrorists and fair trial paid for by taxpayer dollars and subject our brave soldiers to this. Is it 2012 yet?
Possible point of order here......
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 1:57PM EST (link)Folks, unless I’m completely amiss here, this DID go away…… The ‘event’ took place in 2004 – I did the math and that’s 5 years ago. Somebody brought it back to life.
The 64 cent questions are “who” and “why”.
The “who” to me is obvious – and it’s more than one person – none of whom have ever ‘been there’ in any manner, nor wore the uniform.
“Why” is a big-picture destroy America goal being all I can think of as a reason.
One of my Senators is on The Armed Services Committee – Bill Nelson (D-Fl). Think I’ll ring him up to chat a bit. I don’t trust him, but I’m a tad concerned on this matter.
Hey, I stayed calm here – Must have been that time at the range what did it.
Works well….. I’ll go back a bit later for some more ‘de-stressing’.
Cheers !
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LOL, I think your definition of calm would frighten most Kenny.
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 2:19PM EST (link)Let us know what Bill has to say, if anything. Thats a good point about it being brought back, we’ll shortly be getting the answers as the court Martial progresses.
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That worked.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 5:31PM EST (link)I just went through some “very special” targets.
Been raining all day and hitting a move-and-shoot live-fire range in ‘yellow-water’ poor conditions was one of the better ideas I had in a long time for R&R.
Also found out that my main Sig can take a big-time bath and not even remotely falter through 5 full mags.
Kenny,
Wayne (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 7:01PM EST (link)the murder and mutilations took part on 31 March, 2004. The Battle of Fallujah happened later in 2004. I don’t think the dirt ball was captured by the SEALs until this year. Not positive on that, but that’s my impression.
As to your who/why questions, for the “who”, I’ve got my money on someone in the AG’s office. Only because this makes Holder’s horrible performance on the Hill disappear any time the White House wants to drag this in to the SRM. And, as an added bonus, it plays into the hands of the lawyers for KSM and his ilk. As for the “why”, i concur.
As for the point that longwalker makes downthread about NJP, I think the person who forced these charges mis-calculated badly. He/She found 3 men with the integrity to say, in effect, nope, not gonna take the easy way, didn’t do anything wrong, where do I sign the papers for the courts-martial?
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I am confused about this story
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 6:49PM EST (link)I served nine years (1956 to 1965) in the Infantry and spent 14 years as a veterans counselor from 1973 to 1987. During the latter period, I represented over 1,100 individuals seeking discharge review. I would like to think that I have some knowledge of military law.
For the record, I received two NJP’s during my military career. That is, on two seperate occasions, my CO offered NJP to save me from a possible court-martial. In my day, an offer of NJP was seen as an attempt by the CO to limit the possible damage to a valued individual’s career. If the individual was a foul-up, there would be no offer of NJP.
I and my fellow enlistedmen saw an offfer of NJP as the CO throwing a lifepreserver to a drowning man. Higher command would often get involved and want to “make an example” out of some poor troop. It took a CO with guts to prevent the poor troop from being court-martialed.
The CO had to act quickly so that he could tell higher command that NJP had been administered for the infraction and that a court-martial would be “double jeopardy.”
That is why this story confuses me. NJP does not become part of an individual’s permanent record and, is only kept in the unit record for one year. I can’t understand why these SEAL’s refused NJP and chose a court-martial. Even if the court-martial finds them not guilty, the fact of the court-martial becomes part of their permanent record. Going before a promotion board with a court-martial in your records is not helpful even if found not guilty.
BTW, one of my NJP’s was because a new M/Sgt demanded tht I be court-martialed for what he perceived as insubordination. He was willing to press charges and would listen to the “hints” that our Commanding Officer and First Sergeant were making. To save the situation, the CO offred me NJP. Not being a fool, I accepted. I was sentenced to seven days confinement to barracks when not on duty. As I was about to go out on an eight day field exercise, I think that you can see what my CO thought of the charges and the M/Sgt who made them. The M/Sgt soon found another home.
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Perhaps, longwalker, these men felt that choosing
janis (Diary) Friday, November 27th at 9:00PM EST (link)courts martial would bring to light the PC attitude of their superiors. Making this known would certainly stir things up and perhaps cause enough outrage that a change would be made for the better. Over eight years after 9/11 and this is the best we can do for our fighting men and women?
As for the careers of these men after leaving the service, they will have good careers in security, won’t they? SEALS are the cream of the crop, are they not?
I will say I have been hesitant to jump on this too much
Hooah_Mac (Diary) Friday, November 27th at 9:11PM EST (link)If you are slated for nonjudicial punishment(which can be for anything, and is generally NOT a big deal), you can ask for a court martial. There is no downside to asking for a court martial – if you win, you don’t get punished, if you lose, the worst that you can get is what was you would have gotten through NJP. In fact, I know of some that ask for a court martial just to make the commander drop the issue because it isn’t that serious.
We really need to know more about this, because it could be as simple as getting recommended for NJP because their superior told them specifically not to go into the cell(or whatever) and they did it anyway, or it could be the PC police we are concerned about.
Time will tell, but I am choosing not to rail on this until I know more.
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Understood, Hooah. You make a lot of sense.
janis (Diary) Friday, November 27th at 9:26PM EST (link)For me, I guess, it’s all too easy to think that this is solely about the rights of the terrorists over the rights of the honorable. Too close on the heels of Ft. Hood and the upcoming farce that is the KSM “trial.”
This Kenny is why the mental ROE should be to...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 7:09PM EST (link)DROP EM where they find em! I cannot believe that these wonderful men who have GIVEN their entire existence to the military are being hauled in on a “supposed” punch in the face? the animal should have been lucky to still be walking upright! I cannot believe the PC crap WE in this country live under.
The bottom line should be WE ARE AT WAR when the hostilities end WE can go back to being sensitive but until they end WE should be brutal and win! The quicker WE win the quicker WE can go back to polite society…who is running this War? Harvard!
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Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:22PM EST (link)I would bet very good money that after seeing what has happened with KSM, if any of our troops does find bin Laden they’ll shoot him on the spot, to which I say “amen”.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
The Condundrum Conservatives Battle Here
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:28PM EST (link)is that yes, we must always tell the truth. It’s in, for the majority of us, in our ten commandments-it’s intertwined with our very souls and hardwired into our brains. Yet, how must we come to terms and rationalize lying to our own ever growing liberal American ‘citizens’ (loosely used)?!
The Seals’ (God Bless the Seals) actions in question, in my opinion, should never have been public knowledge. Period.
I suppose we're held to a higher standard
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, November 25th at 11:31PM EST (link)Until the point of brittleness. That’s which rule again? I forget how the eventual losers’ steps to subjugate themselves.
Not only do they bring charges against the Seals involved...
Erick Brockway (Diary) Friday, November 27th at 8:17PM EST (link)…They release their names publicly after capturing a most wanted terrorist?
Ever see the names of the guys who took out the “pirates”? No.
Do right, nobody knows.
Do “wrong”, everybody knows, including the terrorists and nutcases here in the US.
Nice, put the team’s families in danger too.
Scumbag administration.
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discerningconservative (Diary) Friday, November 27th at 8:34PM EST (link)You have just hit on the most important part of this story. It is insane to bring charges in the first place, but to put these Seals and their families in danger to advance Obama’s crazed agenda is absolutely sickening. I hope these fine members of our beloved Armed Forces understand that an overwhelming majority of the American public are very proud of their service. I will pray for the safety of them and their family.
Dec. 7 is going to be an interesting day...
ladyimpactohio (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 1:56AM EST (link)I learned from an Iranian tweep it is the day of a planned mega-rally by the students called #16AZAR. Not sure what it means, but it will definitely be a newsworthy day. And ironically I explained to this tweep it was the same day as the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Complete blank. No knowledge of this at all. So evidently they are not teaching American history in Iran.
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There is no excuse for a NCO (Petty Officer)
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Saturday, November 28th at 11:02AM EST (link)punching a prisoner except if the prisoner attacked first. The stories that I have read concerning this incident all agree that the punch was unprevoked. The other SEAL’s ( all Petty Officers) had a legal and professional obligation to report this incident. They failed to do their duty under the UCMJ.
It does not matter if the higher command is PC or not. The SEAL’s behavior was unprofessional. If I was in the chain of commant and had Court-Martial responsibility, I would have thought long and hard before I offered them NJP.
Why these SEAL’s refused NJP is beyond me. It appears from the information available that the accused individual admitted the assault aqnd the others have admitted the cover-up. There is no way a Court-Martial board, under the circumstances, could acquit without ignoring the evidence and violating their oath.
For those interested, there is a fictional Court-Martial in David Weber’s “Field of Dishonor” that shows what happens when politics outweighs oath and honor.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.